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Revised 03/26/2011 - Updated revised initial impression @ http://mobiletech.knguyentu.com/2011/03/motorola-xoom-wifi-version-initial.html
Revised 03/27/2011 - Using Samsung Galaxy S (Fascinate) record demo of Motorola Xoom playback of Apple's iPad format of M4V (converted using handbrake - see link above to handbrake xoom profile)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8KuypTZVVw
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Just picked up the Motorola Xoom @ Staples. There was no issue or question on purchasing it.
To Set Foundation:
I have had several android phones like the Motorola Droid, Droid X, and Samsung Galaxy S. So I am familiar with the Android OS. At the same time, I've had the Apple iPad 32GB generation 1 since it was first launched. So I am familiar with that too.
Initial Impressions:
Weight - Having own the first gen iPad and now having the Xoom, the weight from usage is very comparable. You can't really tell the weight differences, unless you have both of them in your hand and really focus on trying to feel the weight out. It is very comfortable holding to the hand.
Display - Of all of the demo I've seen on the 3G version at Costco and pictures / youtube, I have to say those do not do justice to the screen. I believe that be attribute to the auto brightness screen adjustment functionality. After disable that and adjust brightness to high, the picture actually looks pretty decent. Being a hobbyist photographer, I look at several images I had taken from Flower Field out near Oceanside, California. The color looks very vibrant and crisp. Again, unless you have the iPad next to you to comparison and purposely want to look for that detail, the Xoom display is actually pretty good.
OS - It comes with Android 3.01 build HWI69
Other Stuff - It seems to have come with GPS. In the setting there is a check box asking if you want to use GPS to find your location. Bring up google map, it found me within less than 60 meters. There is a microSD slot and it is located in the exact location where the 3G version has it. Hidden under the LTE sim slot. The standard Motorola Case for the xoom that you can purchase for 29.99 is a huge disappointment. The one Apple design for the iPad was way better. This one looks and feel like cheap material that doesn't seem to fit the tablet well. When trying to close it, it doesn't close properly. The dumb design is the lack of having a hole for the power plug. The power plug is another disappointment. You have buy new car charger and power plug because it uses a different plug. Looks like a small pin. Why can't they keep to standard like Apple.
I like where the power button is situated behind the pad, leaving the front very clean. It is a finger print magnet, so I can't wait to put invisible shield on it.
Software - The email software is just like gmail. Very simple and easy to use. The OS on the other hand, still a bit clunky. It could use some optimization. With Apple iPad, you can use it for weeks w/o having to restart because it automatically ends application (lack of multi-task). Due to this allowing multi-task, there is no way to end the task w/o having to kill it in the setting. You can simply press the back button to have the task end and release it back the memory. The touch screen is very responsive. No issue there. I like the revised picture gallery, it uses the x/y axis ability as you move around the gallery sort of do this 3D effect. It comes standard with a few MP3 music in there, one from Carrie Underwood and others. The Calendar is a nice improvement over android phone version.
Screen font is not as crisp as ipad. You can and will notice a bit fuzz. I am not sure if that is because of the screen design or the font style. But we'll see as time goes on and using custom ROM to replace the font if that improves anything.
Overall, I am very pleased with the Xoom. It is not perfect and nothing really is, but the Honeycomb OS and on this very study Xoom has a lot of potential.
For those who are on the fence and ask in numerous thread Why Xoom? To me, it is a great toy to play with and does all the stuff iPad can do for the stuff I use it for daily. Surf the internet, read magazine, check email, etc., So if that is your purpose of the tablet, I highly recommend look at the next piece of it, which is cosmetics and aesthetics. Which one feels right to you in your hand. Are you able to navigate it easily.
For me, Xoom has more potential and allow me to start doing more than I did with iPad. It might open me up to other things, such as maybe trying to integrate it with my Nikon camera or maybe VPN to my home network and do remote desktop or tweak the hell out of it when I am bored with custom rom and themes.
Revised 03/26/2007: Made some update and post it on my blog - http://mobiletech.knguyentu.com/2011/03/motorola-xoom-wifi-version-initial.html
Thanx for the impressions. I just left my local Staples. They had them on display, but when i tried to buy one the guy said he couldnt sell to sunday. The website said they had them in stock and available.
Just called my local best buy. No go till the 27th. They tried to ring one up and it wouldn't allow the transaction.
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Hi, could you open the case and tell us what it looks like inside? I wonder if it still has the mini-pcie slot and antennas.
Thanks !
Hi,
I also got the Wi-Fi Xoom yesterday. There were two apps that don't seem to work with the Wi-Fi Xoom. Pandora Radio and Gasbuddy. Could you try those out on your Xoom and determine if they work for you.
Thanks
Temecula, California Staples on Hwy 79 S just sold me Xoom WiFi. Nine left. Manager had no concern selling it.
Impressions later.
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Will try staples tomorrow. Thanks for the info. In TX for those that are Trying.
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So far of the apps I've download and tried, they all seems to work nicely with the Xoom
CNN tablet version
Sony Picture tablet version
USTODAY tablet version
Kindle - non-tablet version
Angry Bird Holiday
Amazon App Store
Amazon Mobile
Double Twist - sync great with PC and read iTune library
I got it at Staples in Chino, CA
on 100% charge. use it to download a few apps, surf the net, and edit some pictures...approx 1hr, went down to 94% battery life.
I got mine from staples today. Pandora also doesn't work for me. Just immediate force close.
Called my local Staples a little late in the evening. They would have sold me one today but it was to late to drive over there. Heading over in the morning. They had 5 in stock.
Tried 2 local Staples since their websites showed it in stock. Called ahead both times to confirm they had them. Went to both stores and was cockblocked both times by a manager.
Nice to see that 2 stores otherwise devoid of business refused to make a $600 sale because of a street date no one else really cares about.
I'll just hang tight and hit Sam's Club or Best Buy. Not a fan of Staples anyway.
nice to see people still interested on this device. I love mine and the only negatives i see will be addressed by a software update. The hardware is top notch
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smilepak said:
So far of the apps I've download and tried, they all seems to work nicely with the Xoom
CNN tablet version
Sony Picture tablet version
USTODAY tablet version
Kindle - non-tablet version
Angry Bird Holiday
Amazon App Store
Amazon Mobile
Double Twist - sync great with PC and read iTune library
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Smilepak - would you also try Pandora and Gasbuddy.
Thanks
GPS
Can someone test out the standalone GPS on the wifi only xoom with navigation?
Got mine last night from Staples. GPS works great. Love the titanium look! Pandora force close
Got mine from Staples yesterday as well and been customizing the heck out of it. LOVE HONEYCOMB!!
GPS works great; tether to my EVO is fast; solid machine!
what do you mean tether to evo? wifi or bluetooth?
Looks like the wi-fi xoom has a glitch that doesn't allow Pandora to work.
The 3G version allows Pandora to work.
jstersd said:
Got mine from Staples yesterday as well and been customizing the heck out of it. LOVE HONEYCOMB!!
GPS works great; tether to my EVO is fast; solid machine!
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Hey, few quick questions. What rom are you on on your evo, and what tether app are you using? I'm on CM7 and I plan to use the built in tether but as far as I can tell with my testing it doesnt tether 4g? The 3g tether is quite fast though.
initial impression (general ergo and experience stuff) since last night's purchase:
+solid quality build
+material fit/finish top notch
+gun metal back
+wifi setup no issue
+google app synced easily
+ui's potential is exciting
+gps/navigation works fine
+browsing, calendar, exchange (via enhanced email app) all good
-flash choppy
-some fonts fuzzy
-some apks yet optimized for 3.0 and fc
i was expecting to find the device heavy and thick after trolling ipad comparison threads and gtab 8.9/10.1 threads but i do not have that view owning the xoom. not because i spent $600us and am accepting a compromise but because i appreciate the weight distribution as the device tappers from center to edges and i have no point of reference that more or less overall ounces/weight could make the unit feel "better".
if you are on fence and don't want to wait to see if sammy gums up the ui or if the actual release of their tabs are delayed further, the xoom wifi is worthy of fanboys. i bet with my wallet that our community will flush out the video playback growing pains and both google updates and dev-roms will take this hardware platform and honeycomb far.
I just found out that the maker of our S-Notes did release their version to the Samsung market. (not only to the OEM)
It has one big feature: writing and convert later :victory:
The selection tool is also good.
It does also export to txt. :good:
But the rest is mostly the same as the S-Note, if not worse: :crying: No shapes, No Calc, limited choice of backgrounds and pen styles, no recordings, no Wolfram.
Perhaps a bit slower.
marcxs said:
I just found out that the maker of our S-Notes did release their version to the Samsung market. (not only to the OEM)
It has one big feature: writing and convert later :victory:
The selection tool is also good.
It does also export to txt. :good:
But the rest is mostly the same as the S-Note, if not worse: :crying: No shapes, No Calc, limited choice of backgrounds and pen styles, no recordings, no Wolfram.
Perhaps a bit slower.
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I see it's rather pricey too (€8).
But this price could also be considered good news if this app is intended to really become a full featured, "pro" version of SNote in the next future.
Anyway, at this stage, I don't think the price is worth it yet (considering the features present in SNote and not in the app and considering other good paid for alternative apps that are priced less than half).
I had it on my lenovo thinkpad as an oem version. It want perfect utilities the things it did it did well to me s-note is full featured but doesn't do the basics well enough so much so that it is nearly unusable. I can't for the life of me figure out why the basic function of converting handwriting to text is so poorly implemented that I never use it.
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And, if you buy from Samsung, you'll only be able to access it on Samsung devices. Too bad it hasn't come to the Market. At least that way you don't have to pay twice.
Folks with the ThinkPad Tablet got caught that way. Bought it from Lenovo and now if they want it for their Note they have to buy it all over again.
JB S-Notes
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I had it on my lenovo thinkpad as an oem version. It want perfect utilities the things it did it did well to me s-note is full featured but doesn't do the basics well enough so much so that it is nearly unusable. I can't for the life of me figure out why the basic function of converting handwriting to text is so poorly implemented that I never use it.
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It's pretty basic and missing many features of the S-Note, but I love it.
Because it convert a bit better, I didn't have any problems with : backslash or coma, numbers and the r.
Where the S-Notes makes me mad, you write a text, make a mistake and the problems begins: you try to correct, but loose the input focus when using the pen, so you use the arrow keys you get back at the end of line but forget the space... no easy way to put text blocks together.....
And so one....
The MyScript is almost as so good, as was my old Newton MP2100.
Could someone get a deeper look at the JB S-Notes, I know about the page slider, color picking, backgrounds, I also did peak something about "Import" ?
What else did change? Or is new?
marcxs said:
It's pretty basic and missing many features of the S-Note, but I love it.
Because it convert a bit better, I didn't have any problems with : backslash or coma, numbers and the r.
Where the S-Notes makes me mad, you write a text, make a mistake and the problems begins: you try to correct, but loose the input focus when using the pen, so you use the arrow keys you get back at the end of line but forget the space... no easy way to put text blocks together.....
And so one....
The MyScript is almost as so good, as was my old Newton MP2100.
Could someone get a deeper look at the JB S-Notes, I know about the page slider, color picking, backgrounds, I also did peak something about "Import" ?
What else did change? Or is new?
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MSN didn't work for me, so I bought it and asked for a refund in the first month. 7Notes with mazec is far superior IMO. It handles my chicken scratch writing much better than MSN ever did. Glad it works for you. SNote was much worse for me than MSN.
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MSN didn't work for me, so I bought it and asked for a refund in the first month. 7Notes with mazec is far superior IMO. It handles my chicken scratch writing much better than MSN ever did. Glad it works for you. SNote was much worse for me than MSN.
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I don't see MyScript Notes in the Samsung App store. I am running a Galaxy Note 2, so maybe that explains it. I'd love to get my hands on that apk file.
Funny, seems only for 10" Tablets.
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 N8013...how come I cant find this app? It's not in the PlayStore, and I also cannot find Samsung Market on my tablet. I tried to install Samsung Market, but I dont see the app on my device.
Hello everyone, first and foremost I am a happy original Gnote 10.1 user, who migrated from the original tab 10.1. The GNote 10.1 have been the most useful gadget I ever used in classes, and it works flawlessly as an entertainment device as well. I purchased the Gnote 10.1 when it came out and nothing has been able to replace it.
I was looking forward to buy the 2014 version as soon as it comes out and retire my old Note, but now I am having doubts.
I bought a Note 3 from T-Mobile on day one, moving on from a Nexus 4 because I needed a device with better battery life and capabilities, and since I was familiar with the Note series-it wasn't a hard decision to make. 4.3 is fast and runs flawlessly on the Note 3, but I couldn't help but notice the changes that Samsung have done to the S-Note app. You know, one of the main reasons consumers actually pick a Note device over the competition. Here's what I noticed so far:
1. Clicking the button on the S-Pen inside of S-Note does not switch between the pen/pencil presets, but instead brings up Air Command.
2. Formula matching is pretty much hidden, you can no longer use that feature inside of S-Note to look up solutions for mathematical formulas via Wolfram Alpha. Instead you have to enter it in S Find. Pretty stupid if you ask me. Actually I couldn't find how to look that up for the life of me if it wasn't for another XDA user.
3. Erasing anything precisely that you draw/write is basically a pain now. You can wave goodbye to being precise about erasing anything you draw into S-Note. Let's say you drew a circle, and you set your eraser to a 1 because you want to erase just that small portion of it to correct it or whatnot, it will erase a lot more than you think it will even if you set it to 1.
4. Backwards compatibility, when trying to import an .SNB file it forces you to convert it so that it only works with the new version of S-Note.
5. Syncing with Google Drive has been removed, instead you could only use a Samsung account or Evernote. Granted you could copy the files from the S-Note folder and back them up manually, but why do you have to do that?
6. Shape matching is the worst downgrade of all of the above, remember how you could draw a crooked line or a set of lines (crossed or not) and they would get straighten up automatically? Now you have to draw those lines, pick the lasso tool, circle the lines you drew, and hit transform into shape for that to work. 50% of the time it misses the shape you're actually aiming for and then you have to redraw the whole thing. This is a setback because if you're crossing lines and if only one of the lines wouldn't be transformed correctly then you have to draw the whole thing again.
Trust me, I am not b*tching about Samsung or trolling, the app has been improved a lot visually and it looks better than ever, and I will probably wind up buying the tablet cause it is still one of the best tablets out there (for me). But I cannot help but ask why would they do all of that? What do you guys think?
If you root you can probably uninstall the new s note and install the old one though there might be issues. I don't think most people used s note anyways. I used lecturen otes personally and don't bother with wolf ram alpha.
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Of course all I've said is subjective to everyone's usage patterns and what options do they use, but I used all of those regularly. The only reason I'd root my device is to be able to use more apps for multiwindow...but with the Knox drama I will probably hold off. Regardless it is still a bummer what they did to S-Note.
I watched so many product demos of the old Note 10.1 and being the owner of the new 10.1, I can tell you that your complaints regarding S-Note on the Note3 are valid for the Note 10.1... S-Note for the Note3 and the Note 10.1 are the same. The biggest bummer with the new version is that it doesn't automatically do "shape & text" conversion on the fly anymore. You now have to lasso everything, select the conversion, hope it does it well and then to top it off, it doesn't line it up to the lines on the template so you have to lasso it again to move it. To make my handwriten notes searchable I name/tag the top of each page in standard text or just use the handwriting recognition piece at the bottom, which is ok but isn't nearly as good as Microsoft's OCR tool like in OneNote. I wish there was a training utility to help with accuracy; or if anything it'll teach me to be more careful on my penmanship.
this is sad news
i will wait for further confirmation on the incoming reviews
i didnt have the Old note 10.1, so when i choose now what u think ! i Mainly want it for Note taking
and does the lecture notes app solve these issues
would they make modifications in the new snote, wether by Samsung itself, or developers !
Note 10.1 2014 and Note 3 Snote tips.
I just got my Note 10.1 2014. S note still has formula and autoshape functions. They only become an option AFTER you draw them and then hit the select button (looks like a cloud) - then circle the item and hit transform. It works well in practice.
i am looking into the others, after I clean and my tablet charges. I ran out most the battery downloading my apps from my previous tablet.
I could do an insane amount of stuff on a note 10.1 and used it for everything - and I will figure this out - and I have my list.
What I do know is advanced art functionality was given a new home in Sketchbook instead of residing in SNote.
S Finder does solves - but I haven't found out how to do it native to SNote yet.
The Global Search of Wolfram Alpha no longer is in S Note either.
My Note 2 qand Note 10 both toggle eraser and pen - not different presets in my pencil box. No way i found to toggle that yet on the new tablet.
Erase by Stroke is an option in the eraser - and this is new - uncheck it and it does not erase the whole word or shape - just what you actually go over. Tap the eraser for the option. (just found that!)
I am still paying and researching and tinkering - and will find more, i am sure.
Raum215 said:
I just got my Note 10.1 2014. S note still has formula and autoshape functions. They only become an option AFTER you draw them and then hit the select button (looks like a cloud) - then circle the item and hit transform. It works well in practice.
S Finder does solves - but I haven't found out how to do it native to SNote yet.
The Global Search of Wolfram Alpha no longer is in S Note either.
My Note 2 qand Note 10 both toggle eraser and pen - not different presets in my pencil box. No way i found to toggle that yet on the new tablet.
Erase by Stroke is an option in the eraser - and this is new - uncheck it and it does not erase the whole word or shape - just what you actually go over. Tap the eraser for the option. (just found that!)
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If you read my post carefully you would have understood that I am not looking to transform my handwriting into formulas, but actually writing a formula and search the Wolfram Alpha for it. Which like I said only can be done now through S Finder. I find that unacceptable. The transform handwriting to shape is troublesome since I have to go through all the extra steps to do it when I could do that on an old tablet by just clicking an icon and start drawing.
I also did explain that erasing is still not precise even when you set up your eraser side to 1, which only can be done by unchecking the erase by stroke option...
i want the old SN back........
I don't like the new S Note either. If we got a petition going, do you guys think Samsung would change it?
Nope. You would need at least 1 Million names on that petition.
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Regards S note and math, how should I write the following to get it recognized properly?
https://db.tt/uDFoIPv2 (img)
So far this thread has a 1000 views. Maybe the petition is worth a shot lol. The majority of the people that found this thread probably feel the same way.
I just don't get how Samsung thinks that drawing a shape or formula and then drawing a box or lasso around it is better than converting the drawings on the fly.
It doesn't even seem to be quicker, especially with complex shapes.
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I emailed samsung about it... They said they refer to technical department and will have push patch for s note. But I doubt its gonna be true.
earthtk said:
I emailed samsung about it... They said they refer to technical department and will have push patch for s note. But I doubt its gonna be true.
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God I hate Samsung representatives. They know nothing and can't do anything.
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I'm right in thinking that s note is laggy correct? Not just my unit but pretty much the experience? It takes a good second or two swiping between pages and a lot of times I have to redo the gesture not knowing if it detected it or not. I do have the lag when waking the device up to getting the home screen unlock and stuff like that, but that doesn't bother me as much because I don't do it as often, but trying to "flip through" notes is next to impossible with the delay. Is that the norm??
S Note does seem to be laggy and semi-unstable. When I first powered my tablet on and got the two forced updates, my tablet was supper laggy and S Note would crash on conversions and imports. Based on that, I wrote a hideous review on Amazon and started the return process with Newegg.
I factory reset it and packed it back up. So then I started getting flamed on Amazon from die hard Samsung fans and decided that it was time for proof that S Note was slower on the new Note than the original. I was video taping the pdf import and noticed that S Note improved, as well as the rest of the tablet. I think the two updates cause the infamous "slow after update syndrome" despite being pushed for increased stability.
Anyhow, that was all to say that after the factory reset, the tablet is more responsive.
However, I do agree that S Note has taken a step down and that it is slow to turn pages. I converted all of my notes to pdfs from my old tablet; the process was actually quicker than I thought. I am transitioning over to Lecture Notes; the import and export speeds are nice.
I would only factory reset after a backup or if you have nothing to lose. I did notice that after I reset the tab, it automatically downloaded all of the apps that I previously installed on it; this saved some time after deciding to keep it.
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I emailed samsung about it... They said they refer to technical department and will have push patch for s note. But I doubt its gonna be true.
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Do you know if the update would concern stability or the return of the great features S Note once had?
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Stability I guess.. They won't change features.. If they do it will be note 10.1 2015 edition.
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I factory reset it and packed it back up. So then I started getting flamed on Amazon from die hard Samsung fans and decided that it was time for proof that S Note was slower on the new Note than the original. I was video taping the pdf import and noticed that S Note improved, as well as the rest of the tablet. I think the two updates cause the infamous "slow after update syndrome" despite being pushed for increased stability.
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Do you know if the update would concern stability or the return of the great features S Note once had?
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So I factory reset mine. Kind of a hassle having to redownload an reconfigure stuff, but oh well. The wake to lock screen is now much faster but S Note is still slow, maybe 20% faster in the page to page swipes, but still slow overall. I may have to just switch to LectureNotes or Note Anytime...
kevroc said:
So I factory reset mine. Kind of a hassle having to redownload an reconfigure stuff, but oh well. The wake to lock screen is now much faster but S Note is still slow, maybe 20% faster in the page to page swipes, but still slow overall. I may have to just switch to LectureNotes or Note Anytime...
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I'm glad it's a little faster. I've switched to Lecture notes. So far it's a good replacement if you don't depend on shape or formula match. S Note is still questionable on my tab as well, but the crashing at least decreased. Lecture Notes has a free trial I think so you would have nothing to lose
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lagoboss said:
I'm glad it's a little faster. I've switched to Lecture notes. So far it's a good replacement if you don't depend on shape or formula match. S Note is still questionable on my tab as well, but the crashing at least decreased. Lecture Notes has a free trial I think so you would have nothing to lose
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The problem I have with Lecture Notes is not syncing between devices. With Evernote (Skitch) or S-Note with Evernote sync or Samsung sync it works pretty good. Also, with Note Anytime it sync really well and also to my Windows 8 notebook and iPad. Lecture Notes is like an island unto itself and I have too many devices
Just curious on your opinion.
My newer one is coming in the mail soon, but how does the Note 2014 compare to the 2012 edition? Worth the upgrade or not?
Much happier, or what features do you wish it kept? Etc.
Hahahalalala said:
Just curious on your opinion.
My newer one is coming in the mail soon, but how does the Note 2014 compare to the 2012 edition? Worth the upgrade or not?
Much happier, or what features do you wish it kept? Etc.
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I loved my N10.1-12; until I got a N3. The 386 DPI display made the 147 PPI display on the N10.1-12 downright painful. There's really nothing I'd say I miss s/w or feature wise when compared to the N10.1-14. Multiview's completely different and S Note's been updated. You'll hear people say they like the "old way" better. While it's different, once you get use to it, Samsung's logic behind the changes starts to make sense. S Pen being relocated is great because you can access it when the tablet's standing. And I love the new Book Cover. It uses magnets to stay closed (the N10.1-12's flopped around) and you can set Daynote to open when the cover's opened which gives you an enlarged Action Memo space to begin immediately taking notes as well as displaying the weather and your day's agenda. The Book Cover also shuts down the Note when it's closed. People have said the front facing speakers of the old Note were better but I mostly use headphones and haven't noticed a big difference the times I've used the external speakers.
Here what I consider the biggest improvements between the two:
Display. I think it's gorgeous.
Form factor. It's pretty amazing how much bulk and weight Samsung was able to remove.
Software. I like the updated apps that are common, Air Command, Scrap Book, and Action Memo and the generally more contemporary feel.
Things I question:
In some places, like Notification Panel icons being over 1" square, the phone UI on a tablet isn't particularly well implemented.
The new Note is faster than the old but not by as much as the h/w should allow. Good news is the Magazine UX-equipped units at CES looked much faster and more fluid than the N10.1-14 so performance should be addressed by updates. Pinch-zooming to display all home pages on the N10.1-14 isn't particularly pretty.
Battery charging on the Exynos models (P-600/P-601) is slooow - slower than the old N10.1-12. The S-800 P-605 has Qualcomm's Quick Charge feature and charges unusually fast.
I love my N10.1-14 and have no regrets buying it.
Hahahalalala said:
Just curious on your opinion.
My newer one is coming in the mail soon, but how does the Note 2014 compare to the 2012 edition? Worth the upgrade or not?
Much happier, or what features do you wish it kept? Etc.
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I wrote this as soon as I got my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and before I sold my old one: LINK
Now after owning it for about 2 months, I have to honestly say I have no regrets. I actually use it more than my laptop most of the time. The screen is so, so much superior it's no contest. I absolutely love watching things on my tablet and I do so more than the previous gen. For the first time I've also started reading magazines properly on it because the resolution is just so much more pleasing. I prefer the form factor as the newer tablet is lighter now. I can't really remember if the speakers are worse or not to be honest but I think they are fine for me and my needs. This wasn't a necessary upgrade for me, the previous gen was a very good tablet in its own right, but this one is exactly what I wanted. I'm not sure if I'll upgrade again unless it completely changes. I much prefer the look, the form factor and the screen resolution. However, I'm not really fussy probably in comparison to others, before this I never owned a full HD device as I only received my Galaxy Note 3 after. I personally think you will be happy with it though.
EpicDom said:
I wrote this as soon as I got my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and before I sold my old one: LINK
Now after owning it for about 2 months, I have to honestly say I have no regrets. I actually use it more than my laptop most of the time. The screen is so, so much superior it's no contest. I absolutely love watching things on my tablet and I do so more than the previous gen. For the first time I've also started reading magazines properly on it because the resolution is just so much more pleasing. I prefer the form factor as the newer tablet is lighter now. I can't really remember if the speakers are worse or not to be honest but I think they are fine for me and my needs. This wasn't a necessary upgrade for me, the previous gen was a very good tablet in its own right, but this one is exactly what I wanted. I'm not sure if I'll upgrade again unless it completely changes. I much prefer the look, the form factor and the screen resolution. However, I'm not really fussy probably in comparison to others, before this I never owned a full HD device as I only received my Galaxy Note 3 after. I personally think you will be happy with it though.
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Wow this is great! Thank you! Also, how much did you sell yours for and where?
Also, is the bluetooth keyboard problem fixed? I use my bluetooth keyboard a lot of my tablet.
Hahahalalala said:
Wow this is great! Thank you! Also, how much did you sell yours for and where?
Also, is the bluetooth keyboard problem fixed? I use my bluetooth keyboard a lot of my tablet.
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Hopefully in the refurb process Samsung adjusted whatever h/w issues were causing the problem. It's kind of been quiet about the issue lately so I'd guess later builds are fine. A lot of people returned or exchanged their tablets, some multiple times, so there's no question that returns that are now refurbs were affected. It's up to Samsung and luck as to whether you will be.
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Hopefully in the refurb process Samsung adjusted whatever h/w issues were causing the problem. It's kind of been quiet about the issue lately so I'd guess later builds are fine. A lot of people returned or exchanged their tablets, some multiple times, so there's no question that returns that are now refurbs were affected. It's up to Samsung and luck as to whether you will be.
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Thanks! How much did you sell your tablet for?
Someone offered 270.
And also, someone said that the new notes doesn't have Cascade view? Opinion on that?
Hahahalalala said:
Wow this is great! Thank you! Also, how much did you sell yours for and where?
Also, is the bluetooth keyboard problem fixed? I use my bluetooth keyboard a lot of my tablet.
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In the end I sold it to a friend but I basically charged slightly more than what I was going to sell it on sellmymobile.com since I gave him a MHL to HDMI adapter also. I got £155. I'd say check on that site to see how much you can sell your tablet for, it's pretty easy as I sold my first galaxy note this way.
I realised the bluetooth keyboard problem was only with the OfficeSuite app. I changed to Jotterpad X and using my bluetooth keyboard was perfectly fine so I'm not quite sure what happened. It's been a while since I've tried using it with OfficeSuite again. I can't say if every bluetooth keyboard will be fine, but mine seems to be okay. As I said before, I used it with the Jotterpad X app and also I've started blogging from the Wordpress app so I've written quite a bit with my keyboard. Here's a link to the keyboard I have:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-FB409AA-ABU-TouchPad-Wireless/dp/B0058CZX70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391385777&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+bluetooth+keyboard
EpicDom said:
In the end I sold it to a friend but I basically charged slightly more than what I was going to sell it on sellmymobile.com since I gave him a MHL to HDMI adapter also. I got £155. I'd say check on that site to see how much you can sell your tablet for, it's pretty easy as I sold my first galaxy note this way.
I realised the bluetooth keyboard problem was only with the OfficeSuite app. I changed to Jotterpad X and using my bluetooth keyboard was perfectly fine so I'm not quite sure what happened. It's been a while since I've tried using it with OfficeSuite again. I can't say if every bluetooth keyboard will be fine, but mine seems to be okay. As I said before, I used it with the Jotterpad X app and also I've started blogging from the Wordpress app so I've written quite a bit with my keyboard. Here's a link to the keyboard I have:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-FB409AA-ABU-TouchPad-Wireless/dp/B0058CZX70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391385777&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+bluetooth+keyboard
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That was very helpful thank you!
How about how the new note 10.1 took out the cascade view? What was used to replaced, I use cascade view a lot. Especially while I am taking notes and Google something on my notes on the side. I would pin the internet window on top of my notes.
Hahahalalala said:
That was very helpful thank you!
How about how the new note 10.1 took out the cascade view? What was used to replaced, I use cascade view a lot. Especially while I am taking notes and Google something on my notes on the side. I would pin the internet window on top of my notes.
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You can still do that. They still advertise the multiwindow feature and you can have a floating window on top, although if not rooting, the apps are limited. There is a way around that which you can check on here, but it's kind of long. I just quickly grabbed an image from google to show what it looks like: http://blogs.computerworld.com/sites/computerworld.com/files/u177/galaxy-note-101-2014-multi-window.jpg
Edit: This probably shows it off better: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/multiapp-580x320.jpg
EpicDom said:
In the end I sold it to a friend but I basically charged slightly more than what I was going to sell it on sellmymobile.com since I gave him a MHL to HDMI adapter also. I got £155. I'd say check on that site to see how much you can sell your tablet for, it's pretty easy as I sold my first galaxy note this way.
I realised the bluetooth keyboard problem was only with the OfficeSuite app. I changed to Jotterpad X and using my bluetooth keyboard was perfectly fine so I'm not quite sure what happened. It's been a while since I've tried using it with OfficeSuite again. I can't say if every bluetooth keyboard will be fine, but mine seems to be okay. As I said before, I used it with the Jotterpad X app and also I've started blogging from the Wordpress app so I've written quite a bit with my keyboard. Here's a link to the keyboard I have:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-FB409AA-ABU-TouchPad-Wireless/dp/B0058CZX70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391385777&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+bluetooth+keyboard
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You can still do that. They still advertise the multiwindow feature and you can have a floating window on top, although if not rooting, the apps are limited. There is a way around that which you can check on here, but it's kind of long. I just quickly grabbed an image from google to show what it looks like: http://blogs.computerworld.com/sites/computerworld.com/files/u177/galaxy-note-101-2014-multi-window.jpg
Edit: This probably shows it off better: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/multiapp-580x320.jpg
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I won't be able to root mine, esp since its refurbished. And I believe the second image is for the original Note which I have.
So you can have LectureNotes in back and have a google search on top just in a little corner - and pin it? I know about multi-window but why are people complaining about taking out cascade view as a downgrade? Thanks!
Hahahalalala said:
I won't be able to root mine, esp since its refurbished. And I believe the second image is for the original Note which I have.
So you can have LectureNotes in back and have a google search on top just in a little corner - and pin it? I know about multi-window but why are people complaining about taking out cascade view as a downgrade? Thanks!
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There's no Google search app for the floating window, but you can pin a browser and use that for searching. The only apps available right now are the calculator, alarm, youtube, contacts, chaton, hangouts and the default internet browser. Maybe people don't like it because you don't have as much control over the multi-window since it automatically snaps into place?
About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L112/
No BT problems so far.
Hahahalalala said:
Thanks! How much did you sell your tablet for?
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I had an imported 3G so I got $400 for it and a ton of accessories on eBay.
And also, someone said that the new notes doesn't have Cascade view? Opinion on that?
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It's still there, sort of. Pen Window which you can open from the Air Command launcher allows you to have re-sizable "mini" windows running. On my 3G N10.1-14 the apps are:
Multiview now works the way it does on the N3. The N2 and N10.1-12 used completely different multiview methods and, owning both, it drove me crazy. The best part of the new Multiview is that you can have multiple instances of the same app (EG: browser) open, you can drag and drop content between windows, and the control of open windows is now a lot easier.
Another great feature is the automatic use of Multiview in certain apps. Like being in the stock e-mail app and clicking in a link in an e-mail automatically opens the URL in a Multiview window.
Scrap Book takes the old persistent clip board further by allowing you to store and categorize content anywhere you find it. And it syncs with your Samsung account so what you capture on once device is automatically available on all your other Scrap Book-equipped devices.
The drastic s/w changes between the '12 and '14 was kind of a shock at first but the more you use it the more logical the new approach Samsung's taken seems. And like the weather, with potential changes coming in M-UX, if you don't like it it may change.
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gregy74 said:
About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. No BT problems so far.
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There's something wrong with some N10.1-14's. Devices that connect fine for some people don't work for others even though the BT devices being attached are identical. People who had problems and exchanged their N10.1-14's had no problems with BT devices they had issues with when using their first device.
The screen on the original note 10.1 was brutal I had it for 30 minutes and packed it back up and returned it to the store - no way I could use that tablet for anything but video - reading text on it was painful - for that alone the new note 10.1 is worth the purchase along with it is much faster, etc. Etc. Etc.
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gregy74 said:
About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L112/
No BT problems so far.
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Does this keyboard fit the Galaxy Note 10.1 well? I just realised this isn't a case, but is it quite compact? I love my HP keyboard, but I do wish it was more portable.
gregy74 said:
About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L112/
No BT problems so far.
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Just checked that out, and I see why you don't have any problems.. For that price, problems should and are, non-existent!!!
I have had mine for a month and a half now and I still cannot put it down. This thing has been perfect for taking notes during lectures. I also use an Anker bluetooth keyboard and HP bluetooth mouse with this tablet along with OfficeSuite Pro to really make this a productivity machine. I had a few bluetooth, WiFi, and lag issues but that seemed to fix itself out of the blue and this thing is running great. Screen is amazing, it's fast for playing all the latest games (and emulators). Best tablet I have ever used definitely worth the upgrade IMHO.
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I also use an Anker bluetooth keyboard and HP bluetooth mouse with this tablet along with OfficeSuite Pro to really make this a productivity machine.
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Quick OT question. How the hell do you get Office Suite Pro to cut/copy/paste when using an off-screen keyboard? I can highlight text just fine but there's no option available to do anything with it. The "help" says a cut/copy/paste sub-menu should pop-up but it doesn't.
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Quick OT question. How the hell do you get Office Suite Pro to cut/copy/paste when using an off-screen keyboard? I can highlight text just fine but there's no option available to do anything with it. The "help" says a cut/copy/paste sub-menu should pop-up but it doesn't.
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I usually have to use the Spen to do that. Maybe they'll fix this in an update because sometimes it is a little annoying.
EDIT: When i double click on a word within a document it highlights it and brings up the menu to either cut/paste/copy. I was just typing an essay for my Pyschology class when I noticed this.
I guess you could say the screen alone is worth it. But there are a few other problems that I'm not happy with on the 2014 Edition. I don't like the hardware and capacitive buttons I much prefer the software ones after every other device I own is software. I hate that apps will adapt to hardware keys and require you to hit the capacitive menu key instead of including the menu button in app. This leaves me searching for a menu key. The tablet is also really laggy. Like really really laggy. Overall I prefer everything about the OG one except the screen, which was horrendous enough to make me put up with this one's shortcomings.
Hello, I am using the Note 2 LTE and the PRO 12.2 LTE. I am planning to buy either the Note 4 or the new Gear S. Sure the Note 2 and Note 4 are smaller than the PRO 12.2. The latter can do almost all the things that the Note 2 and 4 are capable of (can we upgrade the software of the PRO to the ones used in Note 4?). For me, the main use of the Note 4 and Gear S is: phone calls. I guess I can do it with the PRO using some kind of bluetooth headset. Of course, besides having a better camera, the Note 4 is better at photo taking because it is too heavy and difficult to press the photo taking button while holding the PRO 12.2.
I will buy a new MacBook Pro Retina 15". It will be too heavy to carry the laptop, the PRO 12.2 and the Note 4. I probably use the PRO 12.2 for pdf annotation, pdf viewing, note taking, video watching, etc. I may not carry the MacBook Pro 15" as often as I did in the past. I do need the Mac (Mac OS and Windows) for my research work though. The PRO cannot serve as a laptop replacement in my case.
Looking to pick up the Note 4 eventually though I'm not sure if I'll do so straight away. I still like my Nexus 4 w/ Mahdi ROM.
I'm not sure I want to pick up a Tizen based wearable. I just have this personal issue with entering into another platform and wonder what support there will be for it from application developers. Its just another consideration I'd have to make which may not exist as much on plain Android Wear devices. I'll most likely pick up a Moto 360 or LG's round watch though.
When I travel both my Note Pro and my rMBP come with me. I really don't mind the weight of carrying both at all and my use case simply doesn't support the Note Pro being a laptop replacement. My Note Pro is primarily for content consumption and web browsing. Note taking is secondary and productivity is a distant last. It's quite useful for email and whatnot but I can't get significant work done on it other than mild annotation of PDFs.
Probably not. I have a Note 3, the Note 4 feels like a step backwards. (Particularly if the EU gets the N910C with the Exynos. Rubbish.)
I'm a gamer and a designer, so I always carry my laptop(17.3" Asus N76VB) with me, as the NotePro is simply not capable of replacing it. Not because of the hardware, but mainly because of Android. (iOS won't help. Neither will Linux. And the Surface has an Intel HD, so not useful either.)
As such, my NotePro is my entertainment device. Films, magazines, comics, drawing, that sort of thing. My Note 3 serves as my go-to device for most things on the road, as well as an e-reader.
As for the Gear... I'm a Scifi fan. I didn't get stuck in 1960, and as such I will not be spending my money on tech with a 'retro' design. Not to mention, I want Android, no Tizen. Until it starts working and looking like this, I'm out.
Thanks for the warnings about the Gear. The Note PRO is more like a large screen device below 1kg that I could use on public transportation and while waiting for the foods in restaurants. For research work, I still need a laptop.
I don't know why, but I've always liked the idea of making phone calls with my watch, without the need of a smart phone nearby. The Gear S is the most interesting to me. As others have mentioned, the new OS is a bit of a concern. Not to mention how nice it plays with other devices, should I replace my Note 3. I'll be keeping a close watch after release to see how it does in the wild.
I may consider the Note 4 a few months after release once prices settle down, real world results are in, and the other manufactures have released competing devices. But for what it'll cost off contract (i.e. $700+), I hardly see a reason to hand over that kind of cash any time soon. And that's coming from somebody who frequently buys new gadgets way too often.
When it comes to smart watches and Android Wear what exactly is the draw to these devices?
I currently see them as wrist mounted notification panels cleverly disguised as watches LOL. What else am I missing?
muzzy996 said:
When it comes to smart watches and Android Wear what exactly is the draw to these devices?
I currently see them as wrist mounted notification panels cleverly disguised as watches LOL. What else am I missing?
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James Bond.
That's hilariously the main reason people want one; because he wore it and that made it cool, and ever since they were kids a lot of people have wanted one to feel like they're a spy.
I'm not kidding, that was the reason they developed them (employed or not, the R&D lads are still geeks and nerds.(Aren't we all?)) and it's the main idea behind the marketing of them.
Better if it has a camera and a voice recorder.
The exciting thing about the note 4 release is the eventual release of the software enhancements that may trickle down to the other note products. The snap note feature for example or the improved floating window support.
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Note Edge for me TYVM?
Turnover is just too damn fast for me.
Hi Y´all!
Got my P905 pro 12.2. Got my N9005 N3. Don´t really need anything new in the months to come.
Anyway - As the title says. The turnover in this business IMHO is just too damn fast, at the very least for me, to continually keep buying the very latest.
I might just decide to get the Note5. But - on an entirely different matter - I recently found out that the 50 GB Dropbox that Samsung proudly keep advertising everytime they present a new flagship(ish) device is actually a bag of hot air if you bought another device before I knew you´d only get the 50 (48 actually) GB once. I.e. not 48 GB per device. But at the very least i´d be able to extend the 48 Gigs. But Noo - no.
So at the moment i actually consider Sony next time.
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Understand the frustration there but the purpose of the promotion is to bring users to Dropbox that eventually get hooked into having to pay. In their eyes once you are hooked you shouldn't be allowed to continously increase your free capacity using the sane promotion. Every giveaway has loss built in so allowing concurrent application of them surely can't be sustainable in terms of profit margins. Like I said I hear you, this is my second note pro since I lost my first. .. sucks. .
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Polar67 said:
Hi Y´all!
Got my P905 pro 12.2. Got my N9005 N3. Don´t really need anything new in the months to come.
Anyway - As the title says. The turnover in this business IMHO is just too damn fast, at the very least for me, to continually keep buying the very latest.
I might just decide to get the Note5. But - on an entirely different matter - I recently found out that the 50 GB Dropbox that Samsung proudly keep advertising everytime they present a new flagship(ish) device is actually a bag of hot air if you bought another device before I knew you´d only get the 50 (48 actually) GB once. I.e. not 48 GB per device. But at the very least i´d be able to extend the 48 Gigs. But Noo - no.
So at the moment i actually consider Sony next time.
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Elo
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It's 50GB per dropbox account, once. You can, however, simply make a new account on dropbox. (That's what I do. I currently have 5.)
That is not something Samsung chose to do. It's Dropbox's doing.
ShadowLea said:
It's 50GB per dropbox account, once. You can, however, simply make a new account on dropbox. (That's what I do. I currently have 5.)
That is not something Samsung chose to do. It's Dropbox's doing.
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Hi!
Hmm - gotta try that - Thanks! :laugh:
Update: It worked - Yepiiee - You´re a life saver - Well - almost anyway - Now i can get the Note 5 and feel good about it
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Elo
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Understand the frustration there but the purpose of the promotion is to bring users to Dropbox that eventually get hooked into having to pay. In their eyes once you are hooked you shouldn't be allowed to continously increase your free capacity using the sane promotion. Every giveaway has loss built in so allowing concurrent application of them surely can't be sustainable in terms of profit margins. Like I said I hear you, this is my second note pro since I lost my first. .. sucks. .
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Hi!
Your argument makes perfect sense. On the other hand: Samsung gets a benefit by increasing the value of their product as well.
It therefore struck me as logical that there had to be some sort of deal between Samsung and Dropbox. I.e. so many $ to Dropbox each time a unit is sold. If Dropbox gets an income per unit, i´d assume (yes - i know what is said about those) they´d also have to provide a service per unit.
Damn those assumptions
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Your argument makes perfect sense. On the other hand: Samsung gets a benefit by increasing the value of their product as well.
It therefore struck me as logical that there had to be some sort of deal between Samsung and Dropbox. I.e. so many $ to Dropbox each time a unit is sold. If Dropbox gets an income per unit, i´d assume (yes - i know what is said about those) they´d also have to provide a service per unit.
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LOL You're right! Sadly they're silent on the fact that you can't continually apply the credit. Perhaps its there in fine print somewhere and I'm just too excited at each product purchase to see it . . in any case I'll buy the Note 4 sometime before the end of the year and I'll lose the ability to take full advantage of that offer. Oh well . . .I'm not about to go through the hassle of using multiple dropbox accounts.
I wish Dropbox would match Google's pricing (I actually use both but reserve Google Drive for collaborating with others whereas Dropbox I use for myself and family) across the entire range of options. Would be nice to have a $2/mo 100GB option. I really don't need 1TB of space.
Back on topic though the Note 4 Edge looks interesting too. I'm concerned though that Samsung put the curved screen on the wrong product. Having never had a Note/Note 2/Note 3 I cant say for sure so I ask those of you who have - do you think its going to be hard to avoid touching the icons and menus on the curved edge while gripping the phone and doing other things?
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Hmm - gotta try that - Thanks! :laugh:
Update: It worked - Yepiiee - You´re a life saver - Well - almost anyway - Now i can get the Note 5 and feel good about it
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Happy to help!
It's such a shame to forgo a great device (As the N5 will uncountably be 64Bit and 4G) because of corporate stupidity. Good thing there's usually a way to bypass it.
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LOL You're right! Sadly they're silent on the fact that you can't continually apply the credit. Perhaps its there in fine print somewhere and I'm just too excited at each product purchase to see it . . in any case I'll buy the Note 4 sometime before the end of the year and I'll lose the ability to take full advantage of that offer. Oh well . . .I'm not about to go through the hassle of using multiple dropbox accounts.
I wish Dropbox would match Google's pricing (I actually use both but reserve Google Drive for collaborating with others whereas Dropbox I use for myself and family) across the entire range of options. Would be nice to have a $2/mo 100GB option. I really don't need 1TB of space.
Back on topic though the Note 4 Edge looks interesting too. I'm concerned though that Samsung put the curved screen on the wrong product. Having never had a Note/Note 2/Note 3 I cant say for sure so I ask those of you who have - do you think its going to be hard to avoid touching the icons and menus on the curved edge while gripping the phone and doing other things?
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Well - i´m left handed and use a bumper on my N3. Being somewhat of a klutz i have to protect my device. I couldn´t hold the N4E without almost constantly being in physical contact with the curved edge. The curved edge is on the right side of the phone and looks like an ergonomic nightmare for us "leftys".
For a right handed person your right thumb looks, to me, like the "intended digit". Then you´d have to hold the device between your other 4 fingers and the root of your thumb/edge of your palm. Seems to me it´d be very nearly impossible to avoid touching along the edge. This needs to be tested IRL the phone shape is IMHO just too special to extrapolate or assume (Insert scared whine here) anything.
Edit: And speaking of bumpers - will they even be possible?
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Yeah my first impression of the edge was it's too bad the S5 didn't have a variant of that instead. The larger note size doesn't seem practical for the edge technology. Also it would be nice if earpiece speakers doubled as normal speakers, hard buttons on front were removed, microphones placed on all corners and an earpiece speaker on top and bottom. With this setup, use rotation sensor to detect orientation so that the proper earpiece gets sound when the phone is in use. Use proximity sensor to up speaker volume when paying media. It surprises me nobody does this, a phone that you can answer in either portrait orientation that also doesn't need speakers on the sides or back.
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No thank you!
Not only will that cost us 10% screen space, it is also highly irritating if you use full-screen apps. The 'hide the notification bar' feature is already highly irritating. (Every time I try to bring it up in the middle of a video, the swipe is detected by the video player first and it changes the volume or brightness before opening the bar. UGH!)
I don't need more annoyances with on-screen buttons. The Nexus can keep those, cheers. Samsung made the decision to keep the hard buttons for a very well-considered list of reasons.
And no, they can't simply extend the screen. It's bound by aspect ratio. No, they can't add it as an additional bar on the screen either, it breaks the ratio in landscape mode.
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No thank you!
Not only will that cost us 10% screen space, it is also highly irritating if you use full-screen apps. The 'hide the notification bar' feature is already highly irritating. (Every time I try to bring it up in the middle of a video, the swipe is detected by the video player first and it changes the volume or brightness before opening the bar. UGH!)
I don't need more annoyances with on-screen buttons. The Nexus can keep those, cheers. Samsung made the decision to keep the hard buttons for a very well-considered list of reasons.
And no, they can't simply extend the screen. It's bound by aspect ratio. No, they can't add it as an additional bar on the screen either, it breaks the ratio in landscape mode.
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All good reasons. I wonder if there's a way to get full use of the device in either orientation without those annoyances.