Hi! I know if I flash a firmware or a root file,it will set KNOX to 0x1.Ok,but I will buy the phone without warranty.I just want to know one thing
Will flashing a firmware bring up a yellow triangle?And can it be removed via Triangle Away? Or will it show anything else beside the 0x1 KNOX?
Please, take anything you want just don't give me the triangle, the dreaded triangle of death.... haha
I don't know if the n3 has a triangle but I do know that chainfire the author said his tools do not work on knox devices. So no triangle away.
I just rooted my Note 3, no triangle
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Sorry for stupid question guys but as far as I know if KNOX is set to 0x1 it can't be restored and your warranty is void for all the time,right?
Simonna said:
Sorry for stupid question guys but as far as I know if KNOX is set to 0x1 it can't be restored and your warranty is void for all the time,right?
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Yup, speculation is that there is a type of efuse that once blown is irreversible. And yes the KNOX warranty is void. Now whether or not a carrier representative (if carrier branded) will know to check this flag and deny you is another matter.
Thanks @Pliind
This knox warranty.
Is it triggered if a official firmware is flashed via odin?
Like i have an 02UK n3.
With my s4 i just changed CSC flashed BTU rom and viola.
Doing this on n3 voids that warranty?
So I wanna get this straight! When I get my Note 3 from Verizon, if I deny Knox on my first boot I will lose my warranty. Which I am OK with, but can I flash a custom recovery and ROM and root with no issues??
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harosxcomp170 said:
So I wanna get this straight! When I get my Note 3 from Verizon, if I deny Knox on my first boot I will lose my warranty. Which I am OK with, but can I flash a custom recovery and ROM and root with no issues??
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No. Denying a Knox prompt is the least of our problems with Verizon. In order to flash a custom ROM, we have to unlock the bootloader or get around it with Loki or SafeStrap in order to install a custom recovery.
It is possible to root a phone with a fully locked bootloader and without a custom recovery, however (like the S4)
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No. Denying a Knox prompt is the least of our problems with Verizon. In order to flash a custom ROM, we have to unlock the bootloader or get around it with Loki or SafeStrap in order to install a custom recovery.
It is possible to root a phone with a fully locked bootloader and without a custom recovery, however (like the S4)
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Hmm really considering just keeping my S3 now. So if I purchased a international note 3 from eBay I would have a unlocked bootloader but wouldn't be able to receive 4G data from Verizon in the USA? Right?
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harosxcomp170 said:
Hmm really considering just keeping my S3 now. So if I purchased a international note 3 from eBay I would have a unlocked bootloader but wouldn't be able to receive 4G data from Verizon in the USA? Right?
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Correct, If having an unlocked bootloader is crucial to you, I'd wait until you see what the development community comes up with on the initial release of Note 3's or just wait to buy the Developer Edition 3-8 weeks later. You know that variant will have an unlocked bootloader, but you'll also have to pay full price.
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No. Denying a Knox prompt is the least of our problems with Verizon. In order to flash a custom ROM, we have to unlock the bootloader or get around it with Loki or SafeStrap in order to install a custom recovery.
It is possible to root a phone with a fully locked bootloader and without a custom recovery, however (like the S4)
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Well, Loki is out of the question, it is not compatible.
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Well, Loki is out of the question, it is not compatible.
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Not with locked bootloader, no. But there's a chance it could be modified if we get that magic key.
I will pretty much go with the stock ROM and a kernel with CWM and root.I do not want to install CM or AOKP,because I will loose the function,like S Pen menu,etc...Maybe I will install a custom ROM based on stock
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Not with locked bootloader, no. But there's a chance it could be modified if we get that magic key.
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Nope, it doesn't work with the S800, already confirmed with jcase.
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Hello guys,
I’m aware this has been discussed many times before, but this information is "old" most of the times. My Galaxy S4 (i9505) is now running stock Touchwiz Android 4.3 (i9505XXUEMJ7).
What I want to do is the following: flash my phone to a i9505G, but with some research I've found that that isn't possible. Are there any other ways to get the clean i9505G 4.4.2 ROM without any changes (like root) on my i9505? (I know there are much custom ROM's, but if possible I'd like to keep it "stock".)
Since I'm running 4.3 with Knox I'm a little scared about the Knox 0x1 status, is this already "resolved" or will this still be a problem?
Thanks.
Broodplank's AOSP rom is the way to go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2397511
You still need to flash a custom recovery to flash it, though. I recommend CWM. Simply works.
tsphere said:
Broodplank's AOSP rom is the way to go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2397511
You still need to flash a custom recovery to flash it, though. I recommend CWM. Simply works.
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Thanks for your reply. Rooting and flashing a custom recovery shouldn't be a problem, however I'm still a little worried about Knox, there simply isn't a way to reset it after it goes to 0x1?
The HTC One can be "changed" into a HTC One Google Edition: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358781
But as far as I can tell this isn't possible for the Galaxy S4?
As far as i seen, once you flash something with odin, your knox flag gets changed. However it's not clear to me whether it changes the warranty actually...
tsphere said:
As far as i seen, once you flash something with odin, your knox flag gets changed. However it's not clear to me whether it changes the warranty actually...
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It's not just the warrenty I'm worried about. If I want to sell the phone later I want it to be fully working, I assume with Knox 0x1 Knox isn't working anymore?
JoeyLe said:
Thanks for your reply. Rooting and flashing a custom recovery shouldn't be a problem, however I'm still a little worried about Knox, there simply isn't a way to reset it after it goes to 0x1?
The HTC One can be "changed" into a HTC One Google Edition: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358781
But as far as I can tell this isn't possible for the Galaxy S4?
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In theory every non G device can be converted into a G device if the hardware model is the same but in practice is not always accomplished 100%. The problem here is Knox, for waht I understand it has 2 layers: The knox bloatware that comes stock on sammys ROM and the off rom portion included in the bootloader. The bootloader is basically what the system loads up first
. so it can't bypassed. So to kkep it simple, if you flash ANYTHING (not sure however if re flashing the stock original ROM activates the flag) on the knox bootloader (AKA: new bootloader) the ''flag'' will change to 0x1, this flag is called eFuse so basically 0x1 means is burned and it can't be changed ANYWAY. If you don't plan to use your phone for work you shouldn't care about the flag.
For more information you can check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
JoeyLe said:
It's not just the warrenty I'm worried about. If I want to sell the phone later I want it to be fully working, I assume with Knox 0x1 Knox isn't working anymore?
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1. It isn't clear if Knox 0x1 voids warranty or not.
2. If you have Knox 0x1 your phone will work fine, but you won't be able to use Knox security enhancements.
3. You can't convert the 9505 to the 9505G, the Google Play edition has different bootloader, modem and pit partition.
Enviado do meu Xposed Galaxy S4 4G LTE
dclarkg said:
In theory every non G device can be converted into a G device if the hardware model is the same but in practice is not always accomplished 100%. The problem here is Knox, for waht I understand it has 2 layers: The knox bloatware that comes stock on sammys ROM and the off rom portion included in the bootloader. The bootloader is basically what the system loads up first
. so it can't bypassed. So to kkep it simple, if you flash ANYTHING (not sure however if re flashing the stock original ROM activates the flag) on the knox bootloader (AKA: new bootloader) the ''flag'' will change to 0x1, this flag is called eFuse so basically 0x1 means is burned and it can't be changed ANYWAY. If you don't plan to use your phone for work you shouldn't care about the flag.
For more information you can check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
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Thank you very much! That was very interesting to read. I personally don't care about Knox, all the Samsung bloatware is the main reason I want to have stock Android on my S4.
dandroid13 said:
1. It isn't clear if Knox 0x1 voids warranty or not.
2. If you have Knox 0x1 your phone will work fine, but you won't be able to use Knox security enhancements.
3. You can't convert the 9505 to the 9505G, the Google Play edition has different bootloader, modem and pit partition.
Enviado do meu Xposed Galaxy S4 4G LTE
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Thanks for the information. I see there are many custom roms which are very close to stock Android, that should be fine as well.
JoeyLe said:
Thanks for the information. I see there are many custom roms which are very close to stock Android, that should be fine as well.
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Sure, but the 4.4 roms (Google Play) have one main issue, random reboots.
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
ozzalbatrozz said:
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
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yes in short you can
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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cpgeek said:
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
jaythenut said:
yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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The argument is, We own the device therefore swapping out software shouldn't affect any hardware issues. Samsung don't have the best quality control and things are faulty sometimes.. why should you be penalized if your volume button breaks or screen breaks due to fault, and they won't fix it because you rooted to add a nice clean theme to your device?
Then there is the underlying security issue surrounding KNOX.. is it a spy tool? is it not? who knows?
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Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
shinchillahh said:
Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
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it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
vndnguyen said:
it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
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Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
shinchillahh said:
Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
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you can anyway update OTA while keeping root.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519103
Thank u sooo much!
Hi All
Just placed an order for a S4 with Mobile company EE to replace my S2 with the Custom Neat ROM. Feeling excited.
My S2 has served me well but time now to let go..
Quick question I had was what model is supplied for the UK Networks as I want to start looking at Rooting and ROMS for it.
Any advice would be great!.
Thanks
ranjb said:
Hi All
Just placed an order for a S4 with Mobile company EE to replace my S2 with the Custom Neat ROM. Feeling excited.
My S2 has served me well but time now to let go..
Quick question I had was what model is supplied for the UK Networks as I want to start looking at Rooting and ROMS for it.
Any advice would be great!.
Thanks
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It will be the I9505 model. Once you get it check if you're on old or new bootloader, before updating or rooting. You can boot into download mode (switch off, then hold volume down and switch on) and look for line with 'knox 0x0'. If you don't have it you will be Knox free and you can stay on it (as long as you dont update officially) and not worry about voiding Knox warranty. See the below post for more details on firmware and the Knox bootloader/software.
http://androidforums.com/international-galaxy-s4-all-things-root/765477-knox-security-locked-bootloader-new-firmwares.html
Thanks for the reply
So let me get this straight theres 2 different bootloaders for this model? Will this prevent me from rooting or installing a ROM if I'm on a newer bootloader?
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It will be the I9505 model. Once you get it check if you're on old or new bootloader, before updating or rooting. You can boot into download mode (switch off, then hold volume down and switch on) and look for line with 'knox 0x0'. If you don't have it you will be Knox free and you can stay on it (as long as you dont update officially) and not worry about voiding Knox warranty. See the below post for more details on firmware and the Knox bootloader/software.
http://androidforums.com/international-galaxy-s4-all-things-root/765477-knox-security-locked-bootloader-new-firmwares.html
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ranjb said:
Thanks for the reply
So let me get this straight theres 2 different bootloaders for this model? Will this prevent me from rooting or installing a ROM if I'm on a newer bootloader?
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Below is some Q&A's on Knox which are worth reading up on before your S4 arrives. You can still root and install ROMs on the newer bootloader, but it will trip the Knox counter, which is currently irreversible. Worth thinking about before you do anything.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470635
Pre-rooted stock ROM thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2250824
Hi
Got the phone today and when I boot into download mode it does show KNOX Kernel Lock as 0x0 and KNOX warranty avoid as 0x0. So this basically means if I ROM it it will break the KNOX?
Thanks
ranjb said:
Hi
Got the phone today and when I boot into download mode it does show KNOX Kernel Lock as 0x0 and KNOX warranty avoid as 0x0. So this basically means if I ROM it it will break the KNOX?
Thanks
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Yup if you flash any custom rom/root/ etc , This mean the knox will be triggered to 0x1 and your warranty will be void. Unless ur country is part of EU.
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has there been any known way of not tripping this if you root?
Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?
Arjoni said:
Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?
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1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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Yes absolutely a problem. I forgot to mention it. If any unofficial stuff is flashed then this knox pox is triggered.
Mandark52 said:
1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.
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you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.
Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.
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So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours
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Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.
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Mandark52 said:
First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.
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I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours
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i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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your warranty will void
AIkizov said:
your warranty will void
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so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-
Arjoni said:
so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-
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have the ability to format, but the stock rom allows do not have permission to freely manipulate software - Void your warranty
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.
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As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.
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Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates
AIkizov said:
Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates
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As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.
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As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.
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now just talking about root that does not alter Recoverу
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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If your warranty will be void depends strongly on in which country you live. There is no yes or no answer.
Flash anything but an official Samsung package through Odin and it will trigger the Knox flag and change the device status to Custom. OTA updates will stop.
Re flashing an official Samsung package afterwards will change the device back to Official and OTA updates will resume. But the Knox flag will still show as triggered. Theres no way to reset it.
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Hi guys
So I rooted my note 3 by downgrading, rooting, and then re-upgrading back to 4.4.4. My question is - Can I install a custom recovery such as CWM to make nandroid backups? I've heard this isn't possible on this device but maybe missing something. Also I've searched but it seems there is no lollipop rom for this model?
Thanks!
Yes. Do you care about Knox?
garyfunk said:
Yes. Do you care about Knox?
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Hi
If I understand knox, then no I don't care. It is my personal phone so I believe this is of no importance to me
Get TWRP from here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471564
You will want SuperSU from here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2868133
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If I understand knox, then no I don't care. It is my personal phone so I believe this is of no importance to me
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Key with Knox 0x1 is warranty void from Samsung and usually vendor .
It's a parallel imported AT&T phone so warranty shouldn't be a problem. That link is for the sprint version? Thanks
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It's a parallel imported AT&T phone so warranty shouldn't be a problem. That link is for the sprint version? Thanks
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the AT&T version have a locked bootloader, preventing the flashing of custom recoveries and kernels?
I believe you're correct, but I've seen a video of someone using safestrap before upgrading to 4.4.4. Safestrap can make backups and flash new roms but what if your on 4.4.4? I'm confused as to how you make backups and flash new roms for 4.4.4 or lollipop when safestrap doesn't work? I'm obviously missing something here as I've generally found it easy to make backups and change roms on other devices