My pet peeve on HD is the camera auto focus. It's nothing to write home about, but OK for a phone, to my taste. The major problem with it is the autofocus which takes forever to work. Since it's difficult (for me) to hold the device steadily for such a long time, my guess is that a "focus free" mode (setting focus to infinity IINM) would make things way better for most uses. At least it work well on my Asus P750.
Does anyone know if it's possible on HD?
This is an interesting question. I havn't got my HD yet, but I can imagine, one of the things which stops this handset being used for quick snaps, is the auto focus.... I'd be intruiged to hear suggestions on this.
....Ib a n e
Problem is these camera units often have to be wide open apertures, to compensate for the tiny sensors. If it was F8 or something most stuff would be in focus all the time, but pictures in anything but bright sun would be just a huge blur because of the long shutter time needed.
Basically, camera phones will always be useless, regardless of how many megapixels they shoehorn in there.
Well, I can live with blur, actually. As long as there's something in the picture. But this 3 second long focusing just doesn't allow me to capture anything!
I don't want to live with blur at all, no point if there IS someone in the picture but they look like tom welling in smallville using super speed
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Well, I can live with blur, actually. As long as there's something in the picture. But this 3 second long focusing just doesn't allow me to capture anything!
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Check the user manual. It might me a user defined setting let you change the duration taken to say 1 second?
Disclaimer 1: I'm not a developer.
Disclaimer 2: I searched and didn't find a similar app
In searching for applications to improve the results from my wife's iPhone camera, I came across a few iPhone apps that cleverly use the accelerometer to assist in picture taking -- namely they wait until the accelerometer registers the fact that the phone has stopped moving before triggering the shutter.
It seems to me that a similar application would work on the Diamond/Touch Pro/HD -- once the "shutter button" has been pressed, the camera autofocuses, and then waits for a "steady" moment to finish taking the picture.
Again, I'm a UI/Tech Specs type of person, so I don't know how open the camera api is. That said, it seems, in theory, that this should work and wouldn't be to tough to do (hell, they managed to do it on the iPhone).
What do you think?
- Matt
Have you really noticed a difference on iPhone with this program?
here you go buddy
this may solve ur problem
http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/pocket-pc/download-kais-photo-bubble-level-net-1-2.html
That's an interesting app, but not quite the same thing. While it's nice that it lets you level the shot, it doesn't look like it uses the accelerometer to trip the shutter. So the hand shake potential is still there.
As far as the Steadycam app, it helps. It isn't going to turn the iPhone into a digital camera replacement, but it does assist low light pictures.
Here's a review of two of the iPhone Apps I've been playing with:
http://www.mophojo.com/2008/12/iphone-app-hold-er-steady/
- Matt
It is a good app if it exists. It is good for someone's hands are not steady when taking photos.
Decrease The Blur of Your Camera (Really):
http://www.fuzemobility.com/decrease-the-blur-of-your-camera-really/
Camera Focus Unwrapped:
http://www.fuzemobility.com/camera-focus-unwrapped/
Guys, I didn't find the macro mode inside camera setting and the auto focus simply can't focus when I try to shoot an object near the camera, differently from Note I and Note II. Even on Galaxy S II the focus of near objects is better.
It's like impossible to take detailed near pictures, I always need a minimal distance of about 20 centimeters.
Any workaround except from installing a third-party camera app?
Edit: The minimum distance needed to focus to work is about 20 centimeters. Less than this the camera simply can't focus!
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Guys, I didn't find the macro mode inside camera setting and the auto focus simply can't focus when I try to shoot an object near the camera, differently from Note I and Note II. Even on Galaxy S II the focus of near objects is better.
It's like impossible to take detailed near pictures, I always need a minimal distance of about 20 centimeters.
Any workaround except from installing a third-party camera app?
Edit: The minimum distance needed to focus to work is about 20 centimeters. Less than this the camera simply can't focus!
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i have the same problem
I just tried and I must admit, that you are probably right.
Also there is no macro setting in the advanced options.
Is this software or hardware related ?
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Looks like its only software related as these guys are reporting to use another camera app
Sheeezy said:
I just tried and I must admit, that you are probably right.
Also there is no macro setting in the advanced options.
Is this software or hardware related ?
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Yeah, I already heard before that this was a software related issue. It's shamefully incredible that a powerful device comes with a basic feature messed up like on this case!
I used to have the same problem. but i found solution which is downloading alternative application for macro mode
i am now using FV-5 camera application which has macro mode. and it works pretty good as note 2 which i used before note 3
i recommend this app for whomever has been suffering from this issue.
in my opinion there is no problem in terms of soft or hard ware. i dare assume that samsung didn't add this function for some reason.
Is it me or does the manual camera mode goes into auto exposure lock (AEL) whenever you manually choose the ISO?
So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
Has anyone noticed this? Hopefully I'm missing something here as this is really bad if it's by design.
Few other gripes:
1. No metering modes? (such as centre weighted, matrix, spot etc)
2. No focus mode? (face detect, fixed centre point, tracking etc)
3. It keeps the previous manual exposure setting even when you exit the camera app. (good & bad. maybe should have a setting to auto-reset)
4. No JPG compression setting.
5. No sharpening level setting.
6. No color setting. (dynamic, natural etc)
Whoever designed this camera app's manual mode certainly isn't that much into photography I reckon.
sounds like how an slr works in manual mode.
larsdennert said:
sounds like how an slr works in manual mode.
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All DSLR's have Program, Aperture & Shutter priority modes as well.
Many phones have full auto exposure even with manual ISO set also.
G4 only has full auto & full manual exposure. Nothing inbetween.
Ummm....sounds like you bought this phone expecting a full DSLR suite of options. It's a smartphone, you won't get ALL those features. It still has far more than any other flagship.
Also, if the AE Lock isn't on when you change the ISO, it's going to auto adjust the exposure, which will mess up your settings, removing the manual aspect.
http://www.cameradebate.com/2015/lg-g4-camera-full-manual-mode-guide/
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Ummm....sounds like you bought this phone expecting a full DSLR suite of options. It's a smartphone, you won't get ALL those features. It still has far more than any other flagship.
Also, if the AE Lock isn't on when you change the ISO, it's going to auto adjust the exposure, which will mess up your settings, removing the manual aspect.
http://www.cameradebate.com/2015/lg-g4-camera-full-manual-mode-guide/
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I used to be a photographer, still am but not for money unless I get called for a job at a wedding studio etc.
So yeah, I know my way around photography. Whoever created this advanced manual mode didn't really go far enough IMO. The can, they just didn't.
I just expected the camera app to be at least as smart as previous/current phones that could already do what I stated about the ISO & auto exposure.
Yes, it's great to have full manual mode at least. But that's an extremity that even many pro's do not utilize often. Even more so on a mobile phone. =p
Whole point of changing ISO is to allow either having a varied-noise IQ or faster shutter speed. It's VERY handy when paired with auto-exposure.
e.g. You can "fix" the ISO at 200, and expect it to have low shutter speed but cleaner photos for every shot.
or fix it at its max of ISO 2700 to force the auto exposure to always give me the fastest shutter speed for a given lighting condition.
(Right now, G4 doesn't even use its max ISO of 2700 in auto exposure mode. It's limited to 2000 unless you manually set 2700.)
Heck, even the old Galaxy series, old Symbian Nokia phones had multiple metering modes & auto exposure with manual ISO.
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So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
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Yes, it's great to have full manual mode at least. But that's an extremity that even many pro's do not utilize often. Even more so on a mobile phone. =p
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It's manual mode - you need to adjust everything yourself. Why is this a bad thing?
It has full auto and full manual. They can't cater for every mode that comes with a DSLR camera.
If it didn't have full manual mode, then people would complain about that too.
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It's manual mode - you need to adjust everything yourself. Why is this a bad thing?
It has full auto and full manual. They can't cater for every mode that comes with a DSLR camera.
If it didn't have full manual mode, then people would complain about that too.
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99% of the phones don't come with full manual mode for a reason.
On the G4, Simple is too simple and Auto mode is still too simple. Only can control the flash on/off pretty much.
So the only way to even go close to the iPhone's camera app (for EV Comp) is to go to the MANUAL mode.
Now in this mode, it's definitely better than the iPhone or Google Camera app. But to the majority, not by much.
I bought the phone expecting to use the ISO & EV Comp. But now I find that ISO is useless. (I'm sure for many)
Surely, they could have made the camera UI /UX at least work similar to normal cameras?
It's not like they have to really invent the camera UI. Digital cameras beeen around for 15+ years. (My first DSLR was back in 2001 - Canon EOS D30)
Especially more so when LG is boasting so much about its camera.
I just wonder what the camera development team was thinking... =<
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But now I find that ISO is useless. (I'm sure for many)
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I don't see why you say ISO is useless? it sounds like you want all the features, but don't want to have to do all the work setting up everything else?
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Is it me or does the manual camera mode goes into auto exposure lock (AEL) whenever you manually choose the ISO?
So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
Has anyone noticed this? Hopefully I'm missing something here as this is really bad if it's by design.
Few other gripes:
1. No metering modes? (such as centre weighted, matrix, spot etc)
2. No focus mode? (face detect, fixed centre point, tracking etc)
3. It keeps the previous manual exposure setting even when you exit the camera app. (good & bad. maybe should have a setting to auto-reset)
4. No JPG compression setting.
5. No sharpening level setting.
6. No color setting. (dynamic, natural etc)
Whoever designed this camera app's manual mode certainly isn't that much into photography I reckon.
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1. This is what manual exposure is for.
2. This is what manual focus is for.
3. Ok? So what?
4. RAW.
5. This is a concern of post-editing
6. This is also a post-editing concern.
If there's anyone who isn't knowledgeable about photography, it would be you.
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I don't see why you say ISO is useless? it sounds like you want all the features, but don't want to have to do all the work setting up everything else?
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How ISO is implemented in G4 is nearly useless for my pattern of usage.
As lens aperture is fixed, the only exposure variable is shutter speed & ISO.
Forcing a user to "always" set both manually for each shot is really unnecessary.
I basically want ISO priority which so many other phones & cameras all do.
Well, considering the G3 didn't even have ISO setting, I guess it's a big step up. =p
It just annoys me that they didn't put more love into it when they could have.
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Is it me or does the manual camera mode goes into auto exposure lock (AEL) whenever you manually choose the ISO?
So whenever ISO is changed, shutter speed also needs to be changed manually to get the right exposure. How dumb.
Has anyone noticed this? Hopefully I'm missing something here as this is really bad if it's by design.
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AEL is settable i thought. What happens when you toggle it.
Is exp comp useful ? this should move both.
On the K zoom, when you enter manual mode, both ISO & shutter have to be set. However in program mode, i just use leave ISO & shutter on auto and tweak exp either way. This is the most common use i have. In certain situations its helpful to disassociate iso from shutter in manual.
Few other gripes:
1. No metering modes? (such as centre weighted, matrix, spot etc)
2. No focus mode? (face detect, fixed centre point, tracking etc)
3. It keeps the previous manual exposure setting even when you exit the camera app. (good & bad. maybe should have a setting to auto-reset)
4. No JPG compression setting.
5. No sharpening level setting.
6. No color setting. (dynamic, natural etc)
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1. default is centre weighted. no options here. Its odd for a rumoured sony sensor as samsung, sony have them. Don't think LG has ever offered metering modes. Missing in the G2/G3. The only modes that are useful are multi and CW. CW gives the clearest shot, multi i find adds a bit of haze but is useful with evening exposure outdoors especially when there is a big difference with sky and foreground. The workaround is to ensure yourself that isn't there ie have the sun behind you rather than off to the side otherwise you end up with silhouettes or blowing out the sky. Spot is niche, macros or when you have full control of lighting. In raw files metering indicated is spot.
2. no but face detect does something in the background. No smile shutter though.
3. reset settings before closing the camera.
4. its set to best, curious why you want this because whenever i'm offered a choice i've always set to superfine at the start and left it at that.
5, 6 you will either have to use raw or in post process the jpegs.
G4 is camera2api compliant, so hopefully 3rd party cameras should work more reliably. Keep an eye out for camera fv-5. Though it will take some work to get it to work with the G4 by the developer.
Whole point of changing ISO is to allow either having a varied-noise IQ or faster shutter speed. It's VERY handy when paired with auto-exposure.
e.g. You can "fix" the ISO at 200, and expect it to have low shutter speed but cleaner photos for every shot.
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Agree. Have seen variations on this. eg on the m9 setting ISO works as an up to, meaning it won't exceed the setting but will use a lower if possible. This is the only device i've seen that behaves this way. Otherwise. setting an ISO means all shots come with that ISO and that one only. I find setting ISO in this case limited and only when auto gets it wrong and uses a very high ISO. from the numerous G4 samples i've seen the G4 seems to be getting the ISO right in auto. You would only need to tweak it for slow shutter shots.
or fix it at its max of ISO 2700 to force the auto exposure to always give me the fastest shutter speed for a given lighting condition.
(Right now, G4 doesn't even use its max ISO of 2700 in auto exposure mode. It's limited to 2000 unless you manually set 2700.)
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Is it not possible to just set the shutter to what you want and let ISO pick what ever ?
Whoever designed this camera app's manual mode certainly isn't that much into photography I reckon.
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Let's see what the next firmware update brings. its a good start, hopefully it becomes more user friendly in the future. It was quite a surprise to see a manual interface like this given the predecessor had no manual settings whatsoever. A step back from the G2, even the crippled stock iphone camera allowed more..(!)
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even the crippled stock iphone camera allowed more..(!)
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Ummm....what?
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Ummm....what?
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Tap-hold- locked exposure on the iphone. Changed its metering as well. the iphone camera to me is a crippled camera because you cant set much on it at all.
the g3 took away options available on the G2. no way to fix anything, AUTO everything.
kyle1867 said:
1. This is what manual exposure is for.
2. This is what manual focus is for.
3. Ok? So what?
4. RAW.
5. This is a concern of post-editing
6. This is also a post-editing concern.
If there's anyone who isn't knowledgeable about photography, it would be you.
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1. Auto-exposure is much faster as you know. A good photographer doesn't need to rely on manual exposure.
2. Auto-focus is faster and more accurate (especially with no focus peaking etc) in majority of usage scenarios.
3. If you used it often, then you'll know why it can become annoying. or maybe not.
4. Yes, I do shoot RAW already from day 1. But not everyone else I assume.
5. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have.
6. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have
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2. Auto-focus is faster and more accurate (especially with no focus peaking etc) in majority of usage scenarios.
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There are times it can misfocus and get the background in focus instead of the subject. So check your shots. it should get it right most of the time but not every time.
3. If you used it often, then you'll know why it can become annoying. or maybe not.
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Every camera has its quirks. annoying ones. the most intuitive interface i've seen is on the k zoom. you would have thought samsung would have used it in their following flagships. No! the note 4 was a stripped down version and the s6 went in anothe direction.
5. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have.
6. It would be 1 less thing post edit if the setting was there. This is not a major gripe. Just something which could be nice to have
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Only devices i know that have this are the m9 where its an issue because it over sharpens by default and you need to set it one notch above no sharpening. And the k zoom. No other device has these tweaks in camera. The lumia users were also griping about its absence.
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AEL is settable i thought. What happens when you toggle it.
Is exp comp useful ? this should move both.
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AEL can be toggled off. But then it goes back into full auto-exposure for both ISO & Shutter.
EV comp is useful as always at least. So this is a big improvement over the previous G3 etc.
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Agree. Have seen variations on this. eg on the m9 setting ISO works as an up to, meaning it won't exceed the setting but will use a lower if possible. This is the only device i've seen that behaves this way. Otherwise. setting an ISO means all shots come with that ISO and that one only. I find setting ISO in this case limited and only when auto gets it wrong and uses a very high ISO. from the numerous G4 samples i've seen the G4 seems to be getting the ISO right in auto. You would only need to tweak it for slow shutter shots.
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This G4 is also the only device to act this way of all the cameras & phones I've owned. (too many to count)
Auto ISO is good enough in most scenarios. But yeah, there are times when I do want to fix the ISO only.
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Is it not possible to just set the shutter to what you want and let ISO pick what ever ?
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No. That's not possible. Soon as you se the shutter, AE-L gets set and so it fixes the ISO also.
When you click on the AE-L to disengage it, it resets both ISO & shutter back to automatic.
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Let's see what the next firmware update brings. its a good start, hopefully it becomes more user friendly in the future. It was quite a surprise to see a manual interface like this given the predecessor had no manual settings whatsoever. A step back from the G2, even the crippled stock iphone camera allowed more..(!)
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I agree that it's a great start. I hope LG spends a bit more time on it.
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Every camera has its quirks. annoying ones. the most intuitive interface i've seen is on the k zoom. you would have thought samsung would have used it in their following flagships. No! the note 4 was a stripped down version and the s6 went in anothe direction.
Only devices i know that have this are the m9 where its an issue because it over sharpens by default and you need to set it one notch above no sharpening. And the k zoom. No other device has these tweaks in camera. The lumia users were also griping about its absence.
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Yeah, it's amazing that the manufacturers actually cripple these camera interfaces when it should by now be very close to digital cameras.
It's the Apple's affect I call it. They made it simple and now every other company is dumbing down their phones also.
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They made it simple and now every other company is dumbing down their phones also.
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So now you're saying it's been made too simple? But the original issue is, it's not simple enough for you.
Hey guys, I have an old LG G3 mobile, I am fed up with this. I heard about a product calles intelmobi, to install it I have to root my mobile. Sould I do this?
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No. That's not possible. Soon as you se the shutter, AE-L gets set and so it fixes the ISO also.
When you click on the AE-L to disengage it, it resets both ISO & shutter back to automatic..
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Damn it!
When i saw those manual controls i figured you could choose one or more and the rest would take care of themselves
One thing i want to know, is it possible to lock focus. Pick a subject, press shutter to get focus, keep shutter button pressed and recompose, then release the shutter to take the shot.
or does keeping you finger pressed on the shutter button take the shot and nothing more.
That is AE-L without having AE-L on other phones. Quick and works in auto.