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[Ask]How to dual boot windows 8 and windows 7 with windows 7 bootmgr.

After i found that dual boot with windows 8 bootloader is need need windows 8 to wait load a bit.
I replace mbr with windows 7 bootmgr.
Everything work well i can boot windows 7 and windows 8 but after windows 8 shutdown and i power up my labtop it will auto boot to windows 8 because windows 8 have shutdown method like hibernate so i need to force shutdown windows 8 to boot windows 7.
Is anyway to make it not auto boot to hibernate partition with windows 7 bootmgr?

i used vista boot pro for that
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You can use Gag
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Change the settings in the Windows 8 bootloader
Hi parnunu
I went into the W8 bootloader (light blue screens with white text) and clicked on the "Change settings" or something like that and selected Windows 7 as the default OS.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

Win+R -> msconfig -> boot -> check with no GUI
maybe it work..

andrew-in-woking said:
Hi parnunu
I went into the W8 bootloader (light blue screens with white text) and clicked on the "Change settings" or something like that and selected Windows 7 as the default OS.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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Thats what I did. That changes back to the W7 boot loader. No need for using any 3rd party apps

the_scotsman said:
Thats what I did. That changes back to the W7 boot loader. No need for using any 3rd party apps
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That worked
Thanks fellas!

I did that but after 2 or 3 Boot my bootmgr was changed to W8 bootmgr!!!

BOOTMGR said:
I did that but after 2 or 3 Boot my bootmgr was changed to W8 bootmgr!!!
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I'm pretty sure it will use the bootloader from whichever OS you used last. If you were in W8 when you shutdown/rebooted then you'll see the blue GUI. If you were in W7 when you shutdown/rebooted then you'll see the classic menu.
Rubik.Orange's solution is more likely to work (but I am not sure).

This thread is over 2 years old but you are correct, it boots to the last...
Rockmeister
rewen said:
I'm pretty sure it will use the bootloader from whichever OS you used last. If you were in W8 when you shutdown/rebooted then you'll see the blue GUI. If you were in W7 when you shutdown/rebooted then you'll see the classic menu.
Rubik.Orange's solution is more likely to work (but I am not sure).
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rockmeister said:
This thread is over 2 years old
Rockmeister
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Still comes up in Google searches so why not help those that still come across it, such as myself

[Q] ubuntu on windows 8 problem

i start to install ubuntu on windows 8 i finish every thing and restart windows and windows 8 start normal no ubuntu !!! is there any way to make ubuntu work under windows 8 ?

The bootloader of windows8 is been modified. I heard u should use win7 bootloader for dual boot options.
I have another solution which is changing the default boot OS to anything other than win8.
Right click on my computer and select properties. Then on left hand side, select advanced system properties. Then select Startup and recovery. On the startup, select default boot OS to ubuntu or anything else. And also choose your default time to display list of operating systems. Now if u restart it loads ubuntu by default and u can also choose win8. Thats what i did.

"to install ubuntu on windows 8"?? virtual machine?

Windows 8 uses something known as secured UEFI. This means that only bootloaders with signed keys that are allowed by UEFI will be able to load. Grub/grub2 are not signed so ubuntu will not load. Google on secured UEFI windows 8 Linux issue for more details.
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bharatgaddameedi said:
The bootloader of windows8 is been modified. I heard u should use win7 bootloader for dual boot options.
I have another solution which is changing the default boot OS to anything other than win8.
Right click on my computer and select properties. Then on left hand side, select advanced system properties. Then select Startup and recovery. On the startup, select default boot OS to ubuntu or anything else. And also choose your default time to display list of operating systems. Now if u restart it loads ubuntu by default and u can also choose win8. Thats what i did.
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If i do this when im on windows 7 and change it to windows developer preview with a windows 8 cd in the drive and reboot will it boot into windows 8. I am asking because i have a laptop with a cracked screen and i am using an external monitor and cant see bios
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I thought I read somewhere you can disable this in BIOS but don't quote me.

kuhla said:
I thought I read somewhere you can disable this in BIOS but don't quote me.
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Yes, but no BIOS has the option to disable this as pretty much nothing comes with Windows 8 preinstalled.

If i install windows 8

All the files on my windows 7 will be deleted?

When you install 8 over 7, then the files will be on the pc.
But for always, make a backup!

That's true.
The "normal" files stay in place, the windows-files get moved to an old windows folder.

if you want you can make partition and boot on windows 7 or windows 8

arnosamsung said:
if you want you can make partition and boot on windows 7 or windows 8
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making partitions does not help in windows 8 setup there was no option where drive should windows 8 it erase your using os you no choice ...

jheremy taguinod said:
making partitions does not help in windows 8 setup there was no option where drive should windows 8 it erase your using os you no choice ...
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Your wrong, you can designated where you want your OS install to go.

Just make 2 partitions and dont install it in windows but when your pc starts. I dual boot Win7 and Win8. Just Make a C: and a D: If you install when the pc starts, it will give you a choice (at least it did for me.)

The only way I could get Windows 8 Dev running correctly was to upgrade from 7 rather than doing a clean install. This way the hodgepodge of drivers I use work, whereas if I tried using those drivers from their original installers that worked in 7, in 8 most of them failed.

Can be installed to another partition

has anyone figured out how to downgrade back to windows 7 honmes premium. i installed developer preview iso and installed with magic disc.
i didnt think id hate it this much. lol ive been googleing but unfortunately ive only read that no one has come up with that option yet

rddocke said:
has anyone figured out how to downgrade back to windows 7 honmes premium. i installed developer preview iso and installed with magic disc.
i didnt think id hate it this much. lol ive been googleing but unfortunately ive only read that no one has come up with that option yet
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Correct me if I'm wrong! I don't think that's possible, because Windows 8 is still in Developer stage. Guess what, you'll have to find a new Windows 7 installation disk (even a Repair disk will do).

It is possible to downgrade back to 7 , you really don't need to downgrade really though, if you created 2 partitions then just just need to delete the windows 8 partition and merge the unallocated raw partition that you deleted that held windows 8 and merge that partition back to the windows 7 partition, granted if you installed windows 8 with two partitions

davenan said:
It is possible to downgrade back to 7 , you really don't need to downgrade really though, if you created 2 partitions then just just need to delete the windows 8 partition and merge the unallocated raw partition that you deleted that held windows 8 and merge that partition back to the windows 7 partition, granted if you installed windows 8 with two partitions
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Sometimes you might have to run Startup repair since Win8 changes the MBR.
You might have to fix MBR (Keep your windows disc ready )

is there an option to choose between windows 8 and wondows 7 at the welcome screen?

putra91 said:
is there an option to choose between windows 8 and wondows 7 at the welcome screen?
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There is a selection menu in win 8 during boot.
After selecting win 8 it boots directly to 8, if you select win 7 it reboots and boots into win 7.
So after selecting 7 from selection menu if it reboots do not panic.

Install Windows 8 in another partition and you can choo OS to boot.

rddocke said:
has anyone figured out how to downgrade back to windows 7 honmes premium. i installed developer preview iso and installed with magic disc.
i didnt think id hate it this much. lol ive been googleing but unfortunately ive only read that no one has come up with that option yet
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I don't think you can revert back to Windows 7. You can try contacting Microsoft but I doubt they'll help you in any way...
And to answer your first question (if you have not already found out the answer) all of the files are moved to a folder called "Windows.Old". They're still there.

If you just update, these won't be deleted, but if you format, obviously, them will be.

putra91 said:
is there an option to choose between windows 8 and wondows 7 at the welcome screen?
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Of course it has. But as i remember it will takes you 30s if you don't make your choice
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Just go to Create And Format Hard Disk Partitions and shrink your windows 7 partition and make a new partition for windows 8 with the unallocated space or add a new hard drive. After that make a bootable usb/dvd of windows 8 using Windows 7 USB DVD Download Tool and install windows 8 on any other partition you made. There is an option in the setup to select which partition you want to install it on if you boot from the cd/usb. After that you can use easy bcd to create a boot menu but windows developer preview will automatically create one for you but I prefer easy bcd since it's faster.

Windows 8 Boot Options

Greetings Everyone,
I wanted to share with everyone what I encountered.
I didnt like windows 8. I had severe kernal issues, 4500+ errors on a brand new computer and if I sneezed BSOD occurances! If you want help in any form removing windows 8 just let me know! It can be intense since it isnt a simple 'Install Windows 7'.
I know getting into safe mode or any of the BIOS is difficult to do without the start up disk.
I did a quick write up on how to get into boot options and BIOS as well.
**Note I didnt do a search, I am feeling lazy! **
Steps to get to the Boot Options in Order to get into Safe Mode -
1- Rest your cursor in the upper right hand corner for the charm to appear.
2- On the bottom of the charm you will see ‘Change PC Settings’ Click on that.
3- In this window you will see a few options, the one want to click on is - Update and Recovery.
4- Next you will see Advanced Options. This could potentially be different depending on the version.
5- Choose the Procedure to get into ‘Troubleshoot Start Up options’ (I can not remember the exact name, it is one that will get you into boot up and start up options)
6- Now you should be able to configure into the BIOS and what needs to be corrected are 2 main steps.
A- Change Secure boot to disable
B- Change to Legacy Boot Enable
C- This is an option to disable UEFI as well if you want.
7- With these tasks done you should now see that getting into BIOS, Boot options and safe mode is feasible.
Enjoy!!
XDA has freely given to me and I will freely give back when I can. By all means, share, give thoughts, make love..lol

Or you can do it the normal way.... F2, F10, F11, F12 or whatever other key your computer has set to bios, just press it as you turn the machine in and the PC boots straight into bios not windows. I thought this was common knowledge... Seriously, takes all of a second compared to your method.
Might be useful for guys on tablets and no external keyboard though, thats about it.

That's a great suggestion. However, it won't work until you disable secure boot and enable legacy boot. Windows 8 is a different animal. I wish it was as easy as rapidly mashing the F keys..
The entire purpose if this is to get to the F mashing sequence.. This will get people to that point.
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Droidnoobi said:
That's a great suggestion. However, it won't work until you disable secure boot and enable legacy boot. Windows 8 is a different animal. I wish it was as easy as rapidly mashing the F keys..
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Both windows 8 laptops I have tried did it first time with no modifications or altering of settings in windows. Secureboot/legacy boot *do not* prevent bios access. One of these 2 machines is my own, I certainly did not change the settings, the other was a relatives brand new machine. I also have a windows 8 desktop, however it had windows 7 previously which I updated to windows 8, so that may not be the fairest test to say that it can boot into bios directly (which it can) without altering windows 8 settings.
Windows does not have access to change the bios settings. It has no way to prevent your system booting into bios, hell thats how a PC works, load bios from RAM which then loads the bootloader from hard disk which then loads windows. Pressing F keys just interrupts the BIOS before loading the bootloader, windows doesnt even exist at this point in the boot cycle.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Both windows 8 laptops I have tried did it first time with no modifications or altering of settings in windows. Secureboot/legacy boot *do not* prevent bios access. One of these 2 machines is my own, I certainly did not change the settings, the other was a relatives brand new machine. I also have a windows 8 desktop, however it had windows 7 previously which I updated to windows 8, so that may not be the fairest test to say that it can boot into bios directly (which it can) without altering windows 8 settings.
Windows does not have access to change the bios settings. It has no way to prevent your system booting into bios, hell thats how a PC works, load bios from RAM which then loads the bootloader from hard disk which then loads windows. Pressing F keys just interrupts the BIOS before loading the bootloader, windows doesnt even exist at this point in the boot cycle.
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Then your settings or something must be different because in order for me to even do anything at all I had to follow specific steps, turn legacy boot on, turn secure boot off..
I am grateful you have an easier time then I did.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Both windows 8 laptops I have tried did it first time with no modifications or altering of settings in windows. Secureboot/legacy boot *do not* prevent bios access. One of these 2 machines is my own, I certainly did not change the settings, the other was a relatives brand new machine. I also have a windows 8 desktop, however it had windows 7 previously which I updated to windows 8, so that may not be the fairest test to say that it can boot into bios directly (which it can) without altering windows 8 settings.
Windows does not have access to change the bios settings. It has no way to prevent your system booting into bios, hell thats how a PC works, load bios from RAM which then loads the bootloader from hard disk which then loads windows. Pressing F keys just interrupts the BIOS before loading the bootloader, windows doesnt even exist at this point in the boot cycle.
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Droidnoobi said:
Then your settings or something must be different because in order for me to even do anything at all I had to follow specific steps, turn legacy boot on, turn secure boot off..
I am grateful you have an easier time then I did.
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@Droidnoobi is correct, you have to disable secure boot on the UEFI to access the BIOS. Otherwise, Windows boots too fast for you to press the keys. I believe it boots in 200 miliaseconds, which is too fast for anyone to press a key.
I did manage to disable secure boot and driver signature enforcement and enable legacy boot. However, I still can't install a second OS on my HP laptop. I've got both Ubuntu and Android (x86) installed, but they won't boot. Any suggestions?

Ph0enix_216 said:
@Droidnoobi is correct, you have to disable secure boot on the UEFI to access the BIOS. Otherwise, Windows boots too fast for you to press the keys. I believe it boots in 200 miliaseconds, which is too fast for anyone to press a key.
I did manage to disable secure boot and driver signature enforcement and enable legacy boot. However, I still can't install a second OS on my HP laptop. I've got both Ubuntu and Android (x86) installed, but they won't boot. Any suggestions?
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Funny that this *stock* HP laptop which came preinstalled with windows 8 allows me to do it without modification.... It most certainly does not boot in 200 milliseconds, add another 0, plenty of time to press a key.
Duplicated on several machines now. I am yet to find a single one requiring this so called hack.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Funny that this *stock* HP laptop which came preinstalled with windows 8 allows me to do it without modification.... It most certainly does not boot in 200 milliseconds, add another 0, plenty of time to press a key.
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I've got an HP Sleekbook 15". It booted so fast that I couldn't boot the BIOS. I had to disable secure boot to access it at all.

Don't know about you 2 but I needed to go to a secret retreat hidden in some mountains to meditate in order to acquire the uber l33t haxxor skills of pressing F10 as soon as the display backlight turned on.
I did however need uber l33t haxxor skills to get youtube embed working so have a link instead: http://youtu.be/6_3OCjMY_pg
For whatever reason XDA instead of neatly embedding my youtube video has opted for display chunks of HTML no matter what format the youtube URL is given as. Cant really be bothered to argue with it.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Don't know about you 2 but I needed to go to a secret retreat hidden in some mountains to meditate in order to acquire the uber l33t haxxor skills of pressing F10 as soon as the display backlight turned on.
I did however need uber l33t haxxor skills to get youtube embed working so have a link instead: http://youtu.be/6_3OCjMY_pg
For whatever reason XDA instead of neatly embedding my youtube video has opted for display chunks of HTML no matter what format the youtube URL is given as. Cant really be bothered to argue with it.
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Okay, I can access the BIOS. However, now I can't get a different OS to boot. Anytime I try to boot Ubuntu or Android (x86), it fails to start and tells me that the .mbr file is missing, even though I can see it in Windows Explorer. Any thoughts?
Oh, and my computer threw a hissy fit when I pressed F10 at boot. It kept beeping and beeping and beeping quite loudly. Maybe this is why I am not allowed to have nice things At least I was able to access the BIOS.

Ph0enix_216 said:
I've got an HP Sleekbook 15". It booted so fast that I couldn't boot the BIOS. I had to disable secure boot to access it at all.
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Try holding the power button until it powers off instead of shutting down. That should at least slow down the Windows boot up. The default windows power off utilizes a form of hibernate. Or you can disable hibernate entirely, there are instructions online in various places.
I don't really have any problems with getting into bios myself.

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Hi!
If you're here, Windows 10 got in your way. Let me explain why.
You see, Windows 10, for some reason has an administrator permission... No, not that administrator permission. Because reasons, Windows 10 has TWO admin permissions! You are the standard one. The superior one is hidden, as a separate user! I don't get it either.
There's a command prompt that unlocks the primary admin account. A quick Google search will yield multiple guides on this matter.
Many, if not all your problems will be solved via this account. I spent 3 hours trying to install some drivers, before I was dumbstruck by the "God Account"... Install everything through that, and use your account normally!
I recommend hiding God in your PC after, since it has total power and some clever virus software might simply hijack it to install itself in the depths of your system, where no antivirus has permission to touch it...
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Windows 10 if f**k**g $hit.....
Previously I spent days trying to get drivers/ADB working. Impossible. I then used my spare laptop having Windows 8.1, effortless and no issue, the whole process of unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and SuperSU was instant.
It was not possible with Windows 10 but with Windows 8.1 it was so easy and no issues with drivers or software. Windows 10 is cancer.

kanej2006 said:
Windows 10 if f**k**g $hit.....
Previously I spent days trying to get drivers/ADB working. Impossible. I then used my spare laptop having Windows 8.1, effortless and no issue, the whole process of unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and SuperSU was instant.
It was not possible with Windows 10 but with Windows 8.1 it was so easy and no issues with drivers or software. Windows 10 is cancer.
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Well, maybe not cancer, but a really annoying co-worker, that keeps putting your stapler in Jell-O. Xp

kanej2006 said:
Windows 10 if f**k**g $hit.....
Previously I spent days trying to get drivers/ADB working. Impossible. I then used my spare laptop having Windows 8.1, effortless and no issue, the whole process of unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and SuperSU was instant.
It was not possible with Windows 10 but with Windows 8.1 it was so easy and no issues with drivers or software. Windows 10 is cancer.
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It's possible that you guys just had previous drivers installed that were conflicting. I doubt it's Windows 10, as mine connected easily and quickly. Some phone drivers tend to stay in your system eventhough you might not clearly see them. I also used the 15 seconds ADB installer, for what it's worth. Maybe you guys should try that.

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It's possible that you guys just had previous drivers installed that were conflicting. I doubt it's Windows 10, as mine connected easily and quickly. Some phone drivers tend to stay in your system eventhough you might not clearly see them. I also used the 15 seconds ADB installer, for what it's worth. Maybe you guys should try that.
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Even when trying the 15 second ADB installer, made no difference...
For this very reason, I upgraded my PC from Windows 10 to Windows 8.1, couldn't of been any happier.

I second the adb installer. It's easy, although the topic is more related to drivers that are outright rejected by the system. Sometimes, it's the fault of the certificate, or the lack of~. If there were old drivers, the device would've been recognised, and not treated as an "unknown device". I was livid when my Nexus 7 wouldn't work. XP It's basically a method of avoiding possible bugs or certificate issues. Again, you're correct in suggesting the adb installer! It takes the faff out of the job!

kanej2006 said:
Even when trying the 15 second ADB installer, made no difference...
For this very reason, I upgraded my PC from Windows 10 to Windows 8.1, couldn't of been any happier.
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I dunno. I would start with a clean install of Windows 10, cause , to my surprise, it's different than the upgraded version! It's utter madness. The clean one is more stable, faster, less glitchy, AND DOESN'T BREAK MY WoL SETUP AFTER EVERY F...UPDATE!!!... I'm not mad... ?

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I dunno. I would start with a clean install of Windows 10, cause , to my surprise, it's different than the upgraded version! It's utter madness. The clean one is more stable, faster, less glitchy, AND DOESN'T BREAK MY WoL SETUP AFTER EVERY F...UPDATE!!!... I'm not mad... ?
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I have a clean install of Win 10 also. Maybe that's why I didn't have connection/driver issues. Reason I mentioned old drivers being hidden was because that's exactly what happened to me with a Nexus 6 before doing a clean install. My computer wouldn't recognize it also, and it just kept showing unknown device. I had old Samsung and ZTE drivers still hiding in my system, and the only way I found them was when I used this Nexus tool: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766475

Hii to all having issues with windows and android..
One thing
I have already the fall creators update before it is even released ( Oktober 17 it will be official )
Love to use windows and usually do not have trouble with android and Windows
The thing is, if you need the extra administrative privilege you need to go under
Settings then
recovery then
advanced then
restart the system for advanced options
And then choose for some drivers like adb fastboot and other stuff.. choose some opitons
You will be given like options from 1 to 9 or 10..
then you press the number 7
Number 7 means you will remove the extra driver signature the windows is asking for every driver
After pressing 7 the system will reboot..
then you need to reinstall the adb fastboot drivers
Now it will give you a window with red color .. asking you.. do you want to install this driver without the signature that is usually required..
and then you click on yes..
from that point on you will allways have that driver installed and
working in the way it should or let me say in the way every driver works after you install it..
And yes it is trouble sometimes to get adb and other android stuff working on windows 10
couse it sometimes is the way that you have all the correct files and did all the correct steps
But the thing is it is not working couse windows 10 is in that point not letting you to do that thing
couse it things its harmfull for you system or sometimes you just need to put one setting off or on
and Voillaa everything is working..
So do not give up on things try to google out the solution by the error or you tube is having
often some good tutorials on what and how it needs to be done in windows 10