...or it is impossible without Samsung support?
They already do. 4.3 does a great job.
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...or it is impossible without Samsung support?
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I am not sure. I flashed the latest Resurrection Remix ROM and the battery life was a lot worse than TW.
My batterylife is better with AOSP than with TW. For 4.3 I recommend slimbean and included kernel, thor kernel gives crazy good batterylife too on 4.2.2/4.3 roms but thor is banned here.
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For me Samsung roms are far more effective.
On CM based roms, i get max 2/3 days with my usage, while on Samsung roms i can get 6 days (once got 7 days of juice )
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My batterylife is better with AOSP than with TW. For 4.3 I recommend slimbean and included kernel, thor kernel gives crazy good batterylife too on 4.2.2/4.3 roms but thor is banned here.
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Thor Kernel gives better battery life than stock SlimBean?
My experience with PA 3.65 based on AOSP was mediocre in terms of battery life. I certainly love it much, much more than TW but I certainly couldn't justify keeping that ROM since it was pretty average with respect to battery. It wasn't like ridiculously bad but certainly 25-30% lesser than what stock TW usually gives me and hence I had to sadly move back to a TW based custom ROM. I am hopeful that eventually AOSP will get closer to TW in terms of battery life because in every other sense I find it better.
I was too upset to see the terrible battery life on Aosp. Only thing that keeps me away from them.
Don't know why they can't match up tw in terms of battery life.
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They already do. 4.3 does a great job.
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I'm on cyano official 10.2 and battery life is quite decent but far from the Samsung roms. But I love cyano, and I think that the more drain is worthy.
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My batterylife is better with AOSP than with TW. For 4.3 I recommend slimbean and included kernel, thor kernel gives crazy good batterylife too on 4.2.2/4.3 roms but thor is banned here.
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Why thor kernel is banned?
It is really good as you said?
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They already do.
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On CM 10.2 or PA 3.99 I use SetCPU to create 3 profiles;
1) Screen off, max CPU=400, Governor=conservative
2) On call state, Max CPU= 500, governor= the same as the ROM
3) battery< %10, Max CPU=1000, Governor= the same as the ROM
One more thing; I don't think Samsung gives the same effort on giving a smooth experience and I don't think it is about bad software. I think the software is well-coded to perform efficiently but the CPU jump is tuned to be lower and slower intentionally. So it gives some choppiness compared to CM or any AOSP ROM but it also saves some energy from the CPU (or GPU at certain times)..
Basicly speed comes with cunsumption
_delice_doluca_ said:
On CM 10.2 or PA 3.99 I use SetCPU to create 3 profiles;
1) Screen off, max CPU=400, Governor=conservative
2) On call state, Max CPU= 500, governor= the same as the ROM
3) battery< %10, Max CPU=1000, Governor= the same as the ROM
One more thing; I don't think Samsung gives the same effort on giving a smooth experience and I don't think it is about bad software. I think the software is well-coded to perform efficiently but the CPU jump is tuned to be lower and slower intentionally. So it gives some choppiness compared to CM or any AOSP ROM but it also saves some energy from the CPU (or GPU at certain times)..
Basicly speed comes with cunsumption
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Thanks. I applied all your settings and i set zzmoove as default governor (seems that is more battery friendly than pegasusq).
The story that you said about sammy roms is embarassing. I had an iPhone 4 before my Note 2 and it was completely smooth with a downclocked single core 1 ghz cpu. And battery life was pretty decent. I can't believe that android need so much power.
So, we can assume that all the other smartphone with great battery life (razr maxx, droid maxx, lg g2....) have choppy ui? I think (and i hope) that is related just to the optimization. Maybe samsung is not able to optimize the Touchwiz and prefers the Jeremy-Clarckson approach of "YEAAH, MORE POWER".
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Thanks. I applied all your settings and i set zzmoove as default governor (seems that is more battery friendly than pegasusq).
The story that you said about sammy roms is embarassing. I had an iPhone 4 before my Note 2 and it was completely smooth with a downclocked single core 1 ghz cpu. And battery life was pretty decent. I can't believe that android need so much power.
So, we can assume that all the other smartphone with great battery life (razr maxx, droid maxx, lg g2....) have choppy ui? I think (and i hope) that is related just to the optimization. Maybe samsung is not able to optimize the Touchwiz and prefers the Jeremy-Clarckson approach of "YEAAH, MORE POWER".
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No. We can't assume such thing. Mine was just an assumption only for Note2/S3 Touchwiz vs AOSP.
Besides iPhone 4 is not downclocked, it has just a very high treshold for the last step (1GHz) so it comes into play very little. I remember such thing for dual core Sammy devices (or was it One X, poor memory of mine) from a kernel developer. He/she had tuned the kernel with very high tresholds for 800MHz and 1200MHz so the device was going easily 800 MHz but waiting there until there is huge load of porccesses and then jumping to higher clocks. So that waiting time on a stable was saving some battery and heat since the higher coltages are less efficient for both the battery and heating..
One more thing; the smoothness of an iPhone is not related to its CPU, it is all about the GPU which used to be higher than any same generation Android device until recently..
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No. We can't assume such thing. Mine was just an assumption only for Note2/S3 Touchwiz vs AOSP.
Besides iPhone 4 is not downclocked, it has just a very high treshold for the last step (1GHz) so it comes into play very little. I remember such thing for dual core Sammy devices (or was it One X, poor memory of mine) from a kernel developer. He/she had tuned the kernel with very high tresholds for 800MHz and 1200MHz so the device was going easily 800 MHz but waiting there until there is huge load of porccesses and then jumping to higher clocks. So that waiting time on a stable was saving some battery and heat since the higher coltages are less efficient for both the battery and heating..
One more thing; the smoothness of an iPhone is not related to its CPU, it is all about the GPU which used to be higher than any same generation Android device until recently..
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Thanks for the interesting reply.
Anyway, I've tried the parameters that you said, but on cm 10.2 the phone freezes in a black screen when is locked. Seems that I solved with a simple step up from 400 to 500 mhz when display is off. Just a report for the users that are reading this
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ive never been able to get good overnight idle drain stats. with TW roms i would lose 3-4% per 8 hrs but aosp i can lose about 12-15%. this is with all sync off
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My batterylife is better with AOSP than with TW. For 4.3 I recommend slimbean and included kernel, thor kernel gives crazy good batterylife too on 4.2.2/4.3 roms but thor is banned here.
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Did you try thor kernel with slimbean? When I flashed it the phone didnt boot, was still on black screen. I flashed aokp-n7100-0.25 version, thx!
majko11293 said:
Did you try thor kernel with slimbean? When I flashed it the phone didnt boot, was still on black screen. I flashed aokp-n7100-0.25 version, thx!
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Why there is no Thor kernel in XDA? Or have my eyes missed it?
please visit Thors own site - Tegra owners.
if you are a lover of android then your experience cannot be complete without experiencing his 'touch' and you need to read through the threads there - his kernels just dont work without following his instructions.
Thread closed as it has already turned into a best rom/kernel thread. It appears that the question has been answered anyways.
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Looking for a stable rom with improved battery life for my wifes evo shift. What are the best options available?
I'd put this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=953293
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lawtalking said:
Looking for a stable rom with improved battery life for my wifes evo shift. What are the best options available?
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why dont you just root it and apply OC kernel and get rid of the bloatware? mine runs smooth as hell on stock rom
i'll 2nd the mikshift rom and also the bcnice oc kernel (& setcpu) after loading the rom
the processor runs at 250'ish mhz when not being used then jumps up to a nice snappy 1.5ghz undervolted any time its being used
the speeds are completely configurable go as high or as low as you like under certain conditions or keep it stock at a constant 800mhz
foxsdaddy67 said:
why dont you just root it and apply OC kernel and get rid of the bloatware? mine runs smooth as hell on stock rom
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Whats an OC kernal?
OC stands for over-clocking, so a kernel that has the ability to be over-clocked, aka, run faster than the factory settings
eigerzoom said:
...the bcnice oc kernel (& setcpu) after loading the rom
the processor runs at 250'ish mhz when not being used then jumps up to a nice snappy 1.5ghz undervolted any time its being used
the speeds are completely configurable go as high or as low as you like under certain conditions or keep it stock at a constant 800mhz
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^This is what I am running and I have enjoyed it thus far. Stable so far, I did get a couple really minor graphic glitches (possibly unrelated but was at 1.8ghz) but all around it runs great at 1.8.
Telion007 said:
^This is what I am running and I have enjoyed it thus far. Stable so far, I did get a couple really minor graphic glitches (possibly unrelated but was at 1.8ghz) but all around it runs great at 1.8.
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Any Battery issues? I'm thinking of applying an OC Kernel but not if it drains my battery too much.
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Any Battery issues? I'm thinking of applying an OC Kernel but not if it drains my battery too much.
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The kernels are undervolted...where the voltage of the processor is lowered to have better battery life and performance..so its better for you..even if you stay running at 806mhz
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I second KILO, I know some people hate the Sense UI but there are alot of people that like it. My wife specifically got this phone just for Friend Stream. Root + Stock Rom + OC Kernel is really a great combo and verry stable. Getting rid of the bloatware will make you feel good, but the phone runs well with it, so it is not essential. However every sprint phone I get the first thing to go is Nascar and Football app, ESPN is better imho.
I personally like the AOSP look and feel
Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
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Lekor
Can't tell the difference.
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.
Afaik no big difference, although our GPU is powerful. Maybe stock ROM has other imorovements, so the boost isn't good to feel on ICS.
Samurai05 said:
I'm on RemICS v1.2 with Devil Kernel 3.0.72. I set GPU from stock 200MHz to OC at 250MHz and I can't tell the difference. But the Kernel developer did say it may not work. Still experimental.
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GPU OC isn't same as GPU accelerated UI
And yes ICS should benefit from it..but can't really remember anyone GB times if there has been some speed gain..
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Yeah it does, but i reckon that ICS is really unpolished with it.
Running slim with the latest semaphore and I can definitely say this is the slickest my phone has been, but that is just my opinion
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Lekor2k said:
Hi,
I´ve read that ICS has GPU acceleration for the UI implemented as a standard. Is there really a difference in smoothness compared to custom gb roms? I´m talking about the i9001. But it should be the same as with the i9000
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Lekor
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There are apks that use the gpu. In custom roms i saw that this is true on i9001
The stock browser in 2.3.6 uses GPU acceleration. There are other apps also, but not the OS UI.
In 4.0 custom rom it should work in the apps when you enable the option from the developer options.
No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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burakgon said:
No difference. Everything using 8 mb more ram with 200mhz GPU acceleration.
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Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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it has an option force gpu rendering that uses 2d hardware acceleration in applications...and you have to set it manual...but dont know if it rly helps in smoothness i think it depends more on the rom then to have this gpu option
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Bro, just upgraded my i9000 to ice and forced gpu acceleration.
Man even on the xda app itself I can see a marginal difference in smoothness.
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Because it's cyanogen. You can see it's even faster on cm7.
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I see an awful lot of people saying it offers no improvements. Personally, I think it does.
I keep my phone up to date as much as possible. When ICS was stable, I jumped right in. I haven't ran Gingerbread in a long, long time—but from what I remember, it had some lag. Android, in fact, was known for this lag. You couldn't read an iOS vs Android debate without this lag being mentioned (at least when Gingerbread was the newest). And I had tried everything: every lag fix, every tweak, every ROM, every kernel, governer, scheduler, OCing, UVing—I tried it all. But I still remember there being lag.
Now I'm in the present. I've been running ICS since it was stable and, quite frankly, I don't notice that lag. I mean, yes, my phone does still lag—if I'm doing something processor intensive in the background—but not like my memories of Gingerbread. Back then, it would lag scrolling through my list of apps; it would lag doing menial UI rendering without anything running in the background. That simply does not happen anymore. Not in my experiences. Not with ICS.
Granted, as I did in Gingbread, I do in ICS—I've applied every fix, every tweak, and every possible software combination that I could get my hands on. I've tried every ROM, every kernel, every setting imaginable. And I do this because I've been thoroughly impressed by the community here at XDA. This device of ours is over 2 years old now. But the software progression does not stop. We move forward as if the hardware was built just yesterday. And I have to tell you, our phone is keeping up—it really is. My phone is faster than a lot of my peers, even with some of them having much newer hardware. And I honestly don't feel I could have said any of this if I had stayed far behind with Gingerbread.
Everyone wants a new phone. It's newer, better, faster. But what they don't realize is that software can fulfill a majority of their wants. It is a continuous improvement, however gradual it may be. To not want to upgrade your software is like not wanting to upgrade your phone. And let's be honest, who doesn't want a new phone—one that's newer, better, and faster—without ever having to buy one.
I do. And that's why I update my phone. But maybe that's just me.
which kernel out there is the best right now? in battery life and speed
theres only one that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
I like Trinity but Motley also did very well for me.
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simms22 said:
theres only that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
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This^ look at it this way. The nexus allready has great performance, it will handle any game you throw at it. (Unless not optimized for tegra 3) so wht else do you need? A kernel that gives amazing battery life. And what kernel is that..... \l/ TRINITY \l/
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TRINITY without a doubt!!! Fast as hell and almost unbelievable battery life!
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Trinity IMHO....
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battery right now..
speed..
Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
I've got to say for me trinity is the best kernel for the Nexus 7, updated daily and great communication with the dev makes this an awesome kernel. The trinity toolbox app is the icing on the cake.
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Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
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1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
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1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
Trinity HANDS DOWN its been 3 hours on sleep and ITS still at 100%! + the ridiculous speed along with the power saving features. I may be new to the Nexus 7 scene but this is hands down to godly .
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
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thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
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I've underclocked mines to 1.1ghz also. battery doesn't want to budge from 100% so far..lol. it's barley sipping battery. the UI and browser is fluid n smooth at this underclock. which is a good thing. the real test will come once I play nova3 shortly. if it plays lag free on this lower speed then underclocking is a winner. I set my governor to interactive though. you get better battery life than ondemand. using deadline also. with fsync set to faster.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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I understand nexus 7 is still infancy, developement wise. its cool. just wondering if those features were included since the option disappeared. I could undervolt or increase voltage on motley kernel. the tkt app would let me do it on THST kernel as the section shows for it. but I like using system tuner for undervolting when I was on motleys kernel. can't wait to see what new features get added. plus once I get my new phone, hopefully there'll be a trinity kernel out for it so I can use tkt app with it. the build is very good.
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thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
EDIT: Yes, emailing, tapatalk, browsing for laptop and not finding any, reading news in Pulse and flipboard, tweetcaster and testing slice(s?), gtalk, not heavy usage obviously. Screen wasn't on unless The Seven was used though.
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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
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Expect no less.
I've been flashing all the latest and greatest KitKat ROMs for the LG LS980 Sprint variant and after benchmark testing them all using AnTuTu and Quadrant, I've noticed horrible benchmark scores. To put things in comparison the Stock ROM usually provides 37,000 AnTuTu and 21,000 Quadrant. On the KitKat ROMs, I get around 24,000 AnTuTu and 9,000 Quadrant. So the scores are about half what stock provides. I have tested this running the latest builds of KitKat DU, PA, Nameless, and CM11 to name a few. I use Furnace Kernel to Overclock to 2.5, but even without the Furnace kernel on the KitKat ROMs, I still get low scores so it doesn't seem to be the kernel so much as the AOSP base. Something must have changed in the latest builds because I don't recall having this issue of lower scores with slightly older builds of KitKat.
I just wanted to bring that to the attention of people here. If someone can confirm this that would be great too.
Also here is a link to a thread for an extensive benchmark test of CPU kernels and governors, and also a ROM to ROM feature comparison.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2625656
Running SlimKat on my D802 I get about 33k in AnTuTu compared to 37-38k on Rayglobe Flex. BUT, just like the Nexus 5, benchmarks DO NOT matter. Even though I get a lower score on 4.4, everything from gaming to browsing runs smoother. Also, as for now, I do not recommend installing any custom kernels on 4.4 roms since they only bring instability and higher benchmark scores yet lower overall performance. I truly respect the developers who are doing their best to create stable kernels, but as for know, dorimanx's kernel is the only kernel worth installing and it's only available for stock roms.
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Running SlimKat on my D802 I get about 33k in AnTuTu compared to 37-38k on Rayglobe Flex. BUT, just like the Nexus 5, benchmarks DO NOT matter. Even though I get a lower score on 4.4, everything from gaming to browsing runs smoother. Also, as for now, I do not recommend installing any custom kernels on 4.4 roms since they only bring instability and higher benchmark scores yet lower overall performance. I truly respect the developers who are doing their best to create stable kernels, but as for know, dorimanx's kernel is the only kernel worth installing and it's only available for stock roms.
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If I got a 33k in AnTuTu that would be normal. But I'm talking about 25k in AnTuTu. That's not a small change that can be ignored. That means there is some new code being compiled that is not efficiently making use of the processor's capabilities. I'm hoping that someone will look back at their code and realize that a vital piece of code was dropped and is affecting the whole system.
If it was all about just smooth performance, then there is no reason to even have an Snapdraon 800 in the first place. We can all learn to be happy with the perfectly reasonable performance of hardware that's 2 generations old. But if we are being sold or given software and hardware that is supposed to be better or optimized then it better be and not just rely on consumers to fall under a blind veil of a placebo effect.
Furthermore KitKat ROMs are not coded to support HTML5 whereas the Stock ROM is, so websites will be more compatible with the browsers in the stock ROM.
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If I got a 33k in AnTuTu that would be normal. But I'm talking about 25k in AnTuTu. That's not a small change that can be ignored. That means there is some new code being compiled that is not efficiently making use of the processor's capabilities. I'm hoping that someone will look back at their code and realize that a vital piece of code was dropped and is affecting the whole system.
If it was all about just smooth performance, then there is no reason to even have an Snapdraon 800 in the first place. We can all learn to be happy with the perfectly reasonable performance of hardware that's 2 generations old. But if we are being sold or given software and hardware that is supposed to be better or optimized then it better be and not just rely on consumers to fall under a blind veil of a placebo effect.
Furthermore KitKat ROMs are not coded to support HTML5 whereas the Stock ROM is, so websites will be more compatible with the browsers in the stock ROM.
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If there is indeed some new code that is affecting then CPU, how can you explain the fact that I never got under 33k in Antutu? (I'm talking about SlimKat and Mahdi, I don't know about others)
Also regarding the placebo effect you're mentioning...so basically you're telling me that the increased smoothness across the whole OS is just my imagination and that it is better to have better results in benchmarks and slower performance? Also, the stock ROM is probably one of the most stable ROMs I've used so far so you really can't talk about lies. Both the benchmark scores and day to day usage are more than acceptable. When you decide to install a custom rom, you automatically need to make sure that you're willing to accept some sort of bugs or errors. The developers are not working for you. You're not paying them anything. So automatically you have no right to complain, just to mention the bugs so that the user developing the rom will try to fix them.
Regarding the browser's compatibility, you may be right, yet I haven't encountered any issues for now. That doesn't mean that they don't exist but as long as it doesn't affect me as an user, then I'm OK.
I'm not trying to say that KitKat roms are perfect. Far from it. But in my case, they're more than usable as a daily driver. Others may not feel this way though.
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Ihave been searchingand searching for a nice rom with good features and low bloat n junk...derpBarebones...Comes with STweaks...OC'd to 2.7 running at almost 37000 benchmark on antutu and now lag or anything...runs VERY smooth and also gets GREAT benchmark compared to the other roms out there...also running the 3.4.1 KK kernel i think IT'S CLOUDY;'S??
Hey guys,
So I recently restored to stock rom and I spotted that the gaming performance is a lot better and faster than CM-based and AOSP-based ROMs
So I am letting you guys to tell your answer why in this thread, so reply down below to tell your answer, as it's very appreciated!
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I kinda doubt that. TW roms have DVFS that reduces performance if the phone gets too hot.
The only reason why it would be better is due to better software-hardware compatibility.
I saw people mentioning that TW has better hardware acceleration. This may be due to the aforementioned better software-hardware compatibility.
If this is the case, GPE roms might also have better performance, since they were also built by Samsung, they might use the same drivers.
May be you had used cm rom on balance battery mod
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May be you had used cm rom on balance battery mod
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Usally in CM and CM-based ROMs,
This mode is selected by default
But did you saw a increase in gaming performance when you chose performance mode?
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I kinda doubt that. TW roms have DVFS that reduces performance if the phone gets too hot.
The only reason why it would be better is due to better software-hardware compatibility.
I saw people mentioning that TW has better hardware acceleration. This may be due to the aforementioned better software-hardware compatibility.
If this is the case, GPE roms might also have better performance, since they were also built by Samsung, they might use the same drivers.
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Wait, so you are saying that the drivers in CM are made by CM? Not Samsung?
If it was, that makes so much sense right now
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vbajs said:
Wait, so you are saying that the drivers in CM are made by CM? Not Samsung?
If it was, that makes so much sense right now
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Yes that's the whole point of CM being open source.
Though I doubt that TW will give you better performance on our device due to the standard throttling on stock roms.
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Usally in CM and CM-based ROMs,
This mode is selected by default
But did you saw a increase in gaming performance when you chose performance mode?
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Yes performance mod increase gaming performance.....But i am using official TW rom always.....bucause with tw rom i got better battery life,camera,display colour/graphics.....and similar gaming performance if unnecessary system app removed.
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Yes performance mod increase gaming performance.....But i am using official TW rom always.....bucause with tw rom i got batter battery life,camera,display colour/graphics.....and similar gaming performance if unnecessary system app removed.
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Ok, since performance mode in settings>battery increases gaming performance,
what if that performance mode enables that stock throttling from the stock rom? And the balance mode just disables that?
Can anyone confirm?
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vbajs said:
Ok, since performance mode in settings>battery increases gaming performance,
what if that performance mode enables that stock throttling from the stock rom? And the balance mode just disables that?
Can anyone confirm?
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Performance mode, as far as I know, just changed the CPU governor to the Performance governor. I don't know if it actually does anything else. Battery mode changes the governor to conservative and balanced changes it to interactive.
As far as the drivers go, all of the are based on the source code released by Qualcomm on the Code Aurora Forums (CAF). That's the starting point. From there, OEMs take the source code and modify it accordingly. CM also builds from there, but they might not spend as much time optimizing the driver's as OEMs probably do.
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Performance mode, as far as I know, just changed the CPU governor to the Performance governor. I don't know if it actually does anything else. Battery mode changes the governor to conservative and balanced changes it to interactive.
As far as the drivers go, all of the are based on the source code released by Qualcomm on the Code Aurora Forums (CAF). That's the starting point. From there, OEMs take the source code and modify it accordingly. CM also builds from there, but they might not spend as much time optimizing the driver's as OEMs probably do.
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I think now I get what you mean because have JDCteam dropped their optimized CM13, the gaming performance is way a lot better than normal CM13
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