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Hi, I have searched and read the related threads in the forum about SGS2 charging issue. It is true that the phone charges really slowly compared to other phones. I just tried playing a game and charging at the same time and the result is the phone was barely charging, which I think is a ridiculous. It means the power consumption when playing a game is almost equal to power being charged.
How about everyone else's charging time? I read before it seems Samsung capped the charging rate at 700mA. Not sure if it's true.
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Hi, I have searched and read the related threads in the forum about SGS2 charging issue. It is true that the phone charges really slowly compared to other phones. I just tried playing a game and charging at the same time and the result is the phone was barely charging, which I think is a ridiculous. It means the power consumption when playing a game is almost equal to power being charged.
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Being a high powered phone, it consumes a lot of battery power when being used and very little when in standby. So if you want to charge it at full rate, don't use the phone at the same time.
hbkmog said:
How about everyone else's charging time? I read before it seems Samsung capped the charging rate at 700mA. Not sure if it's true.
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Without using the phone, my average charging time has been 3 hours and 43 minutes to get from totally flat 0% to 100%. Normal daily charge from about 20% to 100% takes 3 hours.
The charging rate is capped so that the battery and phone does not over heat during charging. An overheating battery will expand and possibly explode, thus potentially causing phone damage and user injury. That is why the charging rate is limited.
Same as posted before zero to full about 3 hours .
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Same here...more than 3 hours for 0-100%...even this reduced charging heats up the phone..
KE series of firmware charged really slowly, but it was fixed after KE7 I think. With the latest KG3, charging from 0 to 100 is done in 2.5 hours with wall charger.
Also don't forget that this phone has a 1650 mah battery. Don't expect it to fill it up at the same time as a 1300 mah one found in most other phones.
i usually charge at 20%. i also get about 3 hours to full charge
I still think someone should increase the charge current and see how it fares. It's all about tweaking and testing.
Charge the phone turned off, that's the fastest way to charge it.
Well personally I think it's kind of counter productive if the phone can't charge properly when you use it at the same time.
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I still think someone should increase the charge current and see how it fares. It's all about tweaking and testing.
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So why don't you do it yourself and tell us how it goes?
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Would be nice to see in Cog or Vill
So how much truth is in statement that you can't use navigation, listen to MP3s and charge via car charger because your phone will be discharging anyway?
The note is a disaster for me when it comes to charging.
If your battery is low and you start charging it but using it at the same time, it doesn't get worse, but it doesn't get better either i.e. actually charge the thing, it just holds its own.
I have got to say I am not impressed with this!
I am not facing such problems. Charging takes pretty long yes but not as bad as you said. A larger battery will of course need a longer time to charge. But I wonder sometimes too if it's the battery problem or the charger output problem and if there's a way to speed up the process.
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I am not facing such problems. Charging takes pretty long yes but not as bad as you said. A larger battery will of course need a longer time to charge. But I wonder sometimes too if it's the battery problem or the charger output problem and if there's a way to speed up the process.
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I think it is more to do with the actual charger, seems like a trickle charge or something.
Yes if charging and using at the same time you would not expect it to charge as quick, but mine doesnt really charge at all, just stays the same.
My acer iconia will charge like lightning even when i am using it, smaller battery or not it still charges!
This was one of the things i was looking forward to with the note, but this slow charge seems to make it more or less the same as what I am used to.
I have the usb plug which comes with the kindle, might it do a better job?
If anyone manages to find a proprietary charger which can produce better charging I will like to know too
That is common the charging is very slow and if you are playing HD games then the charging is almost in negative. May be its because of the voltage of the charger inputs and it is to low. Samsung must have done it for a reason may be its because of the proprietry port or the battery itself we do not know but we need to live it
Agreed, charging this thing takes a long time. Keep in mind that the battery is 7000 mAh and the charger is most likely a 2 amp charger, pegging the charge time at around 4 hours with no other losses. So if you're using it, it should take even longer.
MJ-12 said:
The note is a disaster for me when it comes to charging.
If your battery is low and you start charging it but using it at the same time, it doesn't get worse, but it doesn't get better either i.e. actually charge the thing, it just holds its own.
I have got to say I am not impressed with this!
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No such issue here. I charge to full capacity while using all the time.
I get what he's saying. Because it draws so much power when you're using it; having it charging at the same time doesn't move the needle much. For example, if you're watching a movie while it's charging you'll probably be at the same point battery wise when the movies over. People complain about this all the time when their using their devices as a GPS. In some cases not only doesn't it charge but it actually continues to drain so you're worse off from where you started. We're using 21st century toys powered by 20th century battery technology.
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I get what he's saying. Because it draws so much power when you're using it; having it charging at the same time doesn't move the needle much. For example, if you're watching a movie while it's charging you'll probably be at the same point battery wise when the movies over. People complain about this all the time when their using their devices as a GPS. In some cases not only doesn't it charge but it actually continues to drain so you're worse off from where you started. We're using 21st century toys powered by 20th century battery technology.
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This is a better way of saying what I mean, thank you.
I also have to say one thing I do not like doing is turning the screen brightness down. After all we all get these things as they look so good, so I am not going to make it look worse when I am using it, what would be the point in that? Its a bit like saying yeah my battery life is 14 days but actually it is on standby for that time lol...
Anyway, I still believe it should be better and the primary cause is the weak charger for what ever reason sammy decided to make it that way, but its not a good thing.
It seems like I remember someone recommending a charger that was more powerful so the note would charge faster. Can anyone confirm this?
What a fail thread. If you know ANYTHING about charging, you would know why this happens and why this is NORMAL.
But why even search or educate oneself, let's post a thread on XDA and whine a bit.
It could be worse. It takes six hours to charge a N10.
I dont face this problem i charge mine when surfing the wep
On a slightly related side note, doesn't it suck that the brightness just turns down completely when the battery is low?
The zslower charge rate protects the batteries life ,reduces the possibilty of heat and battery damage trickling insures a full charge
if you don't want your screen to dim don't use the power saving setting.
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For all those facing the slight unresponsive screen please change the source of power, I had mine connected to UPS power supply as soon as I changed and connected it direclty the problem was gone.
Even if you read the user manual of Samsung Note its says thats one of the reasons
How Manhattan hours per day do you use the note? With a 10hrs battery life I find an overnight charge is sufficient
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What a fail thread. If you know ANYTHING about charging, you would know why this happens and why this is NORMAL.
But why even search or educate oneself, let's post a thread on XDA and whine a bit.
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Wow! many friends?
Anyway moving on.. so i just got my note 10.1 about a week ago, loving it but saw that while plugged in it was not charging at all while i was using the tablet and never quite getting to 100% overnight. By not charging while using, i mean to say that it was actually discharging. Yes of course i am using the stock charger and cable.. and even stock note.
so just tried something silly. Unplugged and plugged the usb from the block repeatedly about 5 times. Now its not only recognizing and charging, but charging relatively quickly even while using. To test, i unplugged for about 20 min and plugged back in. Same great results.
Just thought i would share instead of hoarding my new found knowledge like others..
Quick update: it charged about 10% in 20 min.. Nice
I don't charge mine - I paid cash for it
Ever since I first got my Note 4, I've loved two things about it more than almost everything else: battery life and charging speed.
Two nights ago, I was bored and - I know, it's a strange thing to do when bored - decided to see how fast fast charging was compared to normal charging. It took my phone about 123 minutes to fully charge from 0 to 100% with fast charging disabled.
But that's not what I care about. What I care about is the fact that, before I disabled fast charging and fully charged my phone from 0, I would typically have about 10% left after a twelve hour cycle that included around 5 hours of screen-on time.
After my slower charge, I found that, after about 11 hours, I'd had my screen on for 4.5 hours, and my battery was still sitting at 55%. This improvement absolutely astounded me, and I want to encourage all of you to see how your mileage varies (or perhaps doesn't) by disabling fast charging.
I'd like to add that I've always been a huge proponent of fast charging, and I've always dismissed the common notion that it's bad for a phone's battery. But I can't ignore my own results.
EDIT: I should add that this was without power-saving mode or airplane mode enabled at any point in time. And the screen brightness was set to the same value I use generally, and not the minimum I'd use in total darkness.
I haven't used fast charge except for the first few days I had the phone. I just never needed my phone charged fast.
I can get about 6.5 hours of screen on time with around 20% battery left on power saving mode.
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I haven't used fast charge except for the first few days I had the phone. I just never needed my phone charged fast.
I can get about 6.5 hours of screen on time with around 20% battery left on power saving mode.
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I'd had fast charge enabled until two days ago because I never saw anything but advantages to it. I also should add that I don't use power saving features until I'm down to at least down to 15%. Glad to hear you're getting good performance
I only use fast charging. If I do a heavy use day, I get about 5-5.5 hours of SOT and run out. Not sure how long it lasts.
On average, I charge my phone every third day and get 4-4.5 SOT.
I think my battery life is pretty exceptional. I don't leave the phone on the charger overnight, it gets unplugged immediately and I usually put it on the charger around 15 percent.
Yes, I"m not a heavy user usually. Depends on my work load, sometimes it only lasts two days.
I remember hearing this back in the day. Users reported that trickle charging (ie. Usb to computer) would yield better battery life.
I was curious if this would be the case when I first heard about the fast charging when the note 4 was released, but I haven't tested it yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/help/trickle-charging-improve-battery-life-t2332947
I use a spare oem battery/cradle charger. Which does not have fast charging, so the battery would technically be charged slower than through the phone with fast charging. I haven't noticed any difference in battery life between the two.
Then again, my phone usage changes by the time I swap batteries.
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I guess I'm different than most. It's nothing for me to kill a battery in a work day. When I'm 50% +/- I'll plug in because I never know when I'll need a full charge or where I will be an need it. When going out of town I typically will carry at least one of my two backup battery packs.
I will keep power saving mode on and my screen at full brightness. No WiFi enabled but I do use BT from time to time.
5.5 to 6 hours usage sounds about right for me. 24-48 hours on one charge and I say someone isn't using their phone enough.... LoL
Im running Pac Rom 5.1.1 on Note 4 DE and the charger definitely makes a difference.
A "normal" charger (pretty much anything under 2.1A) will charge much slower than a 2.1A charger.
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Im running Pac Rom 5.1.1 on Note 4 DE and the charger definitely makes a difference.
A "normal" charger (pretty much anything under 2.1A) will charge much slower than a 2.1A charger.
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But have you noticed any difference in your battery life after a fast charge vs a slow charge?
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But have you noticed any difference in your battery life after a fast charge vs a slow charge?
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You guy need to repeat this charging business in a scientific test manner.
For example.
1) Discharge to 50%-80% (choose a level.)
2) Slow charge to 100%.
3) Run a loop of a video at some preset brightness, not auto, until the battery is at 50%-80% again. Note the time.
4) Fast charge to 100%.
5) Repeat 3 in the exact same way.
Then compare the times of video playback for the two charging techniques.
My guess is that if you were to do it right, you would get identical results.
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You guy need to repeat this charging business in a scientific test manner.
For example.
1) Discharge to 50%-80% (choose a level.)
2) Slow charge to 100%.
3) Run a loop of a video at some preset brightness, not auto, until the battery is at 50%-80% again. Note the time.
4) Fast charge to 100%.
5) Repeat 3 in the exact same way.
Then compare the times of video playback for the two charging techniques.
My guess is that if you were to do it right, you would get identical results.
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You'd also have to play a movie that is stored on phone and go on airplane mode, since signal strengths change power usage of radio.
Slow and steady wins the endurance race
Owners of electric rc cars/planes often charge lipo batteries to tailor their output for various track conditions. Faster higher voltage charges are more punchy and have increased output but suffer shorter run times. Slower lower voltage = milder output and longer run times.
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Owners of electric rc cars/planes often charge lipo batteries to tailor their output for various track conditions. Faster higher voltage charges are more punchy and have increased output but suffer shorter run times. Slower lower voltage = milder output and longer run times.
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Slower or faster discharge in an electrical motor depends on how much and how fast the motor can consume energy and how quickly a battery can dispense it - this relates directly to the performance of the motor like horsepower and torque. The charge used up is still the same. The amount of electricity stored depends only on the chemical composition of the battery, not on how you charge it. So faster or slower discharge still uses up the same amount of electricity - the energy stored/dispensed remains the same.
On the other hand, in a very demanding situation like RC, a faster charge can afford a faster peak discharge rate of battery. This is due to how the chemicals in LiPo batteries undergo transformations between homogeneous and heterogeneous states depending on the rate of charge. The faster the charge, the faster the maximum rate of discharge. A common misconception is that a slower rate of charge will amount to more charge stored. That is generally incorrect. Slower charging can only benefit the useful lifetime of the battery.
A display or a cpu of a smartphone are unlike an electrical motor in that they consume the same nominal amount of energy for a given task and at a very low rate. The rate of energy consumption for a smartphone is far lower than the possible rate of discharge of the battery is has.
For example, you can charge (and discharge) a battery in smartphone like S6 in about 80 minutes (and that is still FAR slower than you can possibly charge/discharge such a battery.) But the battery will last many many hours even under the heaviest load. So slower charging is pointless for smartphones.
I have the feeling my s8 doesnt really fast recharge even if it's enabled (i'm on 2nd charge now)... how long does it usually take you guys to charge it full when its very low, around 5%? And how long does it say it takes on the notification? Thanks!
About 1h50 or something with normal charge, not fast charge.
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About 1h50 or something with normal charge, not fast charge.
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Mine definately took longer to charge than that the 2nd time (the first one i was asleep so i dont know) and with fast charge. Does it matter which side you plug in the cable or it's the same? I'm getting worried.
The side of the cable does not matter. I normally charge my phone when it's about 15% and with normal charge it takes around 1h40. Next time I charge it around 5% I will check but I think it's about 1h50 to 2h. My S7 was definitely faster in charging.
Takes about 90 minutes with fast charge
Around an hour and 20-30 minutes, a bit slower when I'm using wireless fast charging.
Did you notice a substantial difference between normal charge and fast charge? Lat time I checked it was about 10 minutes difference until full charge. I expected more, it was much better on the S7.
I think that fast charging got capped by samsung after all the note 7 exploding battery horror stories. And it got capped at 2.45amp fast wired charging and around 1.35 with fast wireless charging since the nougat update on the galaxy s7. when it was around 2.8 fast wired and 1.8 fast wireless charging on MM
Beside the charging rate cap, the fone is much cooler while fast charging now as it used to get crazy hot reaching temps above 42c while now it never gets over 36.smthing.
So while its slower i guess its a much better bet for the battery health and your safety.
Normal wired charging didnt change between MM and nougat and its around 1.7~1.8amp
These are my findings using the s7 and s8 exynos international versions and the statments above are purely my own opinion and experience which could be different for everyone.
I noticed that mine never goes over 1060ma while charging using Ampere. It takes about 1 hour 40 minutes to "fast charge" but it is cooler than any other phone I've ever had while charging.
The sad thing is that it REALLY takes longer if you are using the phone, like barely increasing its %. I even tried changing cables, chargers and places but now I know I'm not alone and this is how it works.
I have an Exynos.
pakitos said:
I noticed that mine never goes over 1060ma while charging using Ampere. It takes about 1 hour 40 minutes to "fast charge" but it is cooler than any other phone I've ever had while charging.
The sad thing is that it REALLY takes longer if you are using the phone, like barely increasing its %. I even tried changing cables, chargers and places but now I know I'm not alone and this is how it works.
I have an Exynos.
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IMO ampere is crap and slow to report, you need an app that can report as fast as cpufloat. As once you turn on the screen the charging rate will default to ~1amp regardless of the charging mode your using and thats when ampere starts to measure.
Use cpu float for info at glance
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Use accubattery to even help you distnguish which charging cables your using gives you the best charging rate.
Hope this helps
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IMO ampere is crap and slow to report, you need an app that can report as fast as cpufloat. As once you turn on the screen the charging rate will default to ~1amp regardless of the charging mode your using and thats when ampere starts to measure.
Use cpu float for info at glance
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Use accubattery to even help you distnguish which charging cables your using gives you the best charging rate.
Hope this helps
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Back when I had my Galaxy S4 I used "CurrentWidget: Battery" which was really nice but is not working anymore so I installed Ampere.
I just tried both apps you mentioned and both gave me the 1050am right away. I'll try later on since I was at 90% and if I remember thats the point where it starts to throttle down the current.
I like the AccuBattery 80% cycle though, not sure I can really use it since I prefer to go with a full battery for the entire day.
Thank you!
Mine takes around 1hr 30 mins , The other night i turned fast charge off as i was going to leave it charge throughout the night but i actually forgot i had turned it off and had been charging for a few days with fast charge off..... surprisingly i noticed no difference! It still took around the same time to charge haha
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I think that fast charging got capped by samsung after all the note 7 exploding battery horror stories. And it got capped at 2.45amp fast wired charging and around 1.35 with fast wireless charging since the nougat update on the galaxy s7. when it was around 2.8 fast wired and 1.8 fast wireless charging on MM
Beside the charging rate cap, the fone is much cooler while fast charging now as it used to get crazy hot reaching temps above 42c while now it never gets over 36.smthing.
So while its slower i guess its a much better bet for the battery health and your safety.
Normal wired charging didnt change between MM and nougat and its around 1.7~1.8amp
These are my findings using the s7 and s8 exynos international versions and the statments above are purely my own opinion and experience which could be different for everyone.
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You hit it on the nose. They slowed it to avoid the whole exploding battery problems just to play it safe. Also why they didn't cram a bigger battery inside it to keep heat down.
They lost a lot of money because of that. The only thing that really saved them was that some iPhones were blowing up too
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Hi all!
Takes around 1 h 40 mins for a full charge. This is using the Fast Charger that comes in the box.
Duskfall89 said:
About 1h50 or something with normal charge, not fast charge.
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Don't you fast charge?
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Don't you fast charge?
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I don't see a big difference between fast and normal charging. I only fast charge when I'm in a hurry.
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pakitos said:
Back when I had my Galaxy S4 I used "CurrentWidget: Battery" which was really nice but is not working anymore so I installed Ampere.
I just tried both apps you mentioned and both gave me the 1050am right away. I'll try later on since I was at 90% and if I remember thats the point where it starts to throttle down the current.
I like the AccuBattery 80% cycle though, not sure I can really use it since I prefer to go with a full battery for the entire day.
Thank you!
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Bear in mind that the charging rate will default to 1050ma whenever the screen is turned on no matter what charging mode your using.
To use my method in cpufloat app, open the app n keep it floating on your screen. Turn of the screen for awhile ( lets say 5 seconds) and n turn the screen back on. You will have a split second to read the current before it updates to the 1050ma. ( you can slow the update rate in the app settings btw.
Accubattery will have 2 readings, charging rate when screen on, charging rate with screen off.
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Bear in mind that the charging rate will default to 1050ma whenever the screen is turned on no matter what charging mode your using.
To use my method in cpufloat app, open the app n keep it floating on your screen. Turn of the screen for awhile ( lets say 5 seconds) and n turn the screen back on. You will have a split second to read the current before it updates to the 1050ma. ( you can slow the update rate in the app settings btw.
Accubattery will have 2 readings, charging rate when screen on, charging rate with screen off.
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Yup, I noticed that, thanks!
Accbattery showed me a maximum of 1156ma obviously it was charging with the screen off. From there my test starts since this charge was done using a multi-usb charger and had something else charging and wasn't using the original cable. We will see
Thanks once again!
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I don't see a big difference between fast and normal charging. I only fast charge when I'm in a hurry.
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What other difference you want?
The charging issues on the Galaxy S8 seem to be widespread. I was hoping the most recent software update would help resolve these issues but it hasn't. Extremely slow charging (71% charged, 3 hrs 17 mins to 100%) and random connectivity (wireless charging paused) with Samsung's OEM wireless charger. What I've found with respect to the wireless issue, if I leave the phone on the charging pad after a few minutes it will eventually engage to a slow charge mode. Direct charging with the Samsung 2.0 Adaptive makes no difference, still a very slow charge. The normal Fast Charge Notification which should appear at the bottom of the display has never appeared and the tab remains grey in the Advanced Battery Settings even when enabled. Prior to purchasing the phone I had read and was advised by a Samsung tech the phone was suited to accept Qualcomm's 4+ Quick Charge. That seems unlikely at this point. Just got off a live chat with Samsung Support, not surprising the tech offered no solutions which I hadn't already experimented with. Booting up in Safe Mode to see if the app(s) were the problem, clearing system cache, app cache, using a variety of adaptives and cables, updating software, checking the C jack for connectivity. The S7 Edge I had previous to the S8+ was a great phone, no problems whatsoever. I honestly feel that Samsung is dragging their feet and haven't yet gotten their hands around these issues. Seriously, do they really want to experience another wide ranging battery concern? I think not. I can get a refund or replace the S8+ (SM-G955FD) but I'm wondering if the problems may be so widespread it could easily be an issue with the replacement phone. From the research I've done these issues are popping up on all models, regardless of the manufactures location.
Hey all!
I am a little obsessed with having wireless chargers in the main areas of my house and it got me curious about how to test if these chargers are charging how they should be....
I currently use the app Ampere to watch the charge rate and it seems to really vary a lot.
Note, the equipment I test this with are:
Charger 1
Charger 2
Wireless Charging Stand
Car Chargerwith this cigarette adapter instead of the original.
So does anyone know how to accurately tell which charger is working fastest?
Charge rate varies throughout the charging of a battery. e.g. it is much slower past 90%. A good way to compare chargers would be to test average charging speed. A way to test average charge speed - have your phone at a particular charge and then see how long it gets to another charge. e.g. time from 50-80%. multiple trials and taking the average of them would minimise the experimental error. Using a range that you are likely to have your phone in will give a more useful result for you.
Food for thought though: life is fair, there is a trade off for faster charging - fast charging in general reduces battery longevity
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Charge rate varies throughout the charging of a battery. e.g. it is much slower past 90%. A good way to compare chargers would be to test average charging speed. A way to test average charge speed - have your phone at a particular charge and then see how long it gets to another charge. e.g. time from 50-80%. multiple trials and taking the average of them would minimise the experimental error. Using a range that you are likely to have your phone in will give a more useful result for you.
Food for thought though: life is fair, there is a trade off for faster charging - fast charging in general reduces battery longevity
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Actually didn't know that! Why is that? But thanks for the heads up!!!