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The Note's 2500mAh battery is pretty huge in capacity, so obviously, it will take more time to charge as well as discharge. Here i've made a video showing how long does it take to charge the battery from completely empty state to full charge using the provided charger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjtzUlvg1K4
I am a first time android user. I would like to know how does the battery percentage go down even when I am charging the phone and using it at the same time (Mostly internet stuff). I've never seen that before on my laptops or phones. Feel free to correct me, am still a newbie in Android OS.
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The Note's 2500mAh battery is pretty huge in capacity, so obviously, it will take more time to charge as well as discharge. Here i've made a video showing how long does it take to charge the battery from completely empty state to full charge using the provided charger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjtzUlvg1K4
I am a first time android user. I would like to know how does the battery percentage go down even when I am charging the phone and using it at the same time (Mostly internet stuff). I've never seen that before on my laptops or phones. Feel free to correct me, am still a newbie in Android OS.
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I think Engadget did a test of the Note's battery and concluded that it had about 4 hrs of battery life. However after a few charge cycles, I've gotten it to about 4.5 hours.
The stock charger is a 1A charger I believe. You won't lose power if you're browsing the internet, but it may charge slower. You could get the touchpad charger which is a 2A charger and it does charge faster.
But...
If you need to constantly surf the web like me on the go, I recommend buying either generic batteries (They last around 80% of the stock battery and are $3 each) or buy an OEM stock battery ($30).
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I remember as a kid, when getting new hardware, you need to charge it to the maximum and leave it in for a few hours to kinda work the battery and get the most optimal battery life. So for this phone, what would you need to do when you first get it to get the battery to be the best it can be?
Do we cycle it from 0 to 100, or just charge it to 100 and leave it?
Or does it not matter?
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I remember as a kid, when getting new hardware, you need to charge it to the maximum and leave it in for a few hours to kinda work the battery and get the most optimal battery life. So for this phone, what would you need to do when you first get it to get the battery to be the best it can be?
Do we cycle it from 0 to 100, or just charge it to 100 and leave it?
Or does it not matter?
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It doesn't matter. While older nickel-cadmium batteries could have issues with charge memory, lithium ion batteries are not affected. Just charge and use your phone as normal. If you want to maximize battery life make sure not to place your phone in extreme heat (eg. inside a locked car in summer time) and avoid leaving your phone at 0% charge for any length of time.
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It doesn't matter. While older nickel-cadmium batteries could have issues with charge memory, lithium ion batteries are not affected. Just charge and use your phone as normal. If you want to maximize battery life make sure not to place your phone in extreme heat (eg. inside a locked car in summer time) and avoid leaving your phone at 0% charge for any length of time.
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But the phone is using Lithium Polymer...
qwahchees said:
But the phone is using Lithium Polymer...
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For the purposes of this discussion it is identical.
Well technically it's Lithium-ion Polymer
Same thing. Either way they don't have the memory issues that old rechargeable batteries had..
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Nope.
These new Lithium batteries aren't subject to any of these myths.
Same with the "Take off your device from the charger once it has been fully 100% charged or the battery will stuff up." Nope. The battery just cuts the charge and just runs down. That's why if you look at your charging history, it might go to 99%, 98 or even 97, and go back up to 100% because that's when the phone decides, "Yep, I'll take a bit more charge."
Alright. Thanks to everyone!
I'm getting mine tomorrow ;D
(Aw, outta thanks to give :'( )
It is good with these batteries to run then down to almost empty every week or so, right?
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Richieboy67 said:
It is good with these batteries to run then down to almost empty every week or so, right?
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Another myth. Not true for Lithium batteries
Really? I read this in a battery forum years ago. This was for laptop batteries though..
Not meaning to sound sarcastic, how do you know this? Are you an electronics engineer or something? Just wondering.
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Lithium-ion/lithium-polymer batteries don't have the "memory effect" that older nickel-cadmium and nickel-metalhydride batteries did. So there's no point trying to run your battery down low every now and again to help its life. In fact, it seems that charging it more often is the most helpful thing, i.e. lots of small charges rather than big charges all the time.
Just use it normally and charge it when you need, it'll be fine.
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How about leaving the phone charging after it is fully charged? Like when you charge it overnight.
arcwindz said:
How about leaving the phone charging after it is fully charged? Like when you charge it overnight.
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The phone and charger electronics will lower the rate of charging as it reaches 100% and turn it off when it's done. You don't need to worry about unplugging it right away.
In longer term storage situations where you aren't using the device (i.e. weeks or months) it's optimal to store the battery at a charge level of 60-70% to reduce battery degradation over time. When the Mars rover \Curiosity was en route to mars the batteries were at 60% and were charged upon approaching the planet.
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Really? I read this in a battery forum years ago. This was for laptop batteries though..
Not meaning to sound sarcastic, how do you know this? Are you an electronics engineer or something? Just wondering.
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I am an electrical engineer actually. Li-Ion or Li-Po batteries do not need to be treated any special way. The only thing that degrades them is use and time. And it does not matter how deeply you discharge them (discharging to 50% twice is about the same wear on the battery as discharging to 0% once, within a reasonable degree of error).
What you may have been reading was with regards to calibrating your laptop's battery meter. There is some truth to that, and allowing even your phone to discharge completely (down to 5% or so) once can help make sure your battery percentage is accurate. But it does not affect your battery life at all.
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I remember as a kid...
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I remember as a kid that all the phones had a cable attached and no battery whatsoever...
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I'm following what the manual said!
I was going th carge wherever and start using it, beut then i got the phone and read that it would be good to charge it full first.
i.imgur.com/0PP3v.jpg
I prefer to follow what google says thank you very much
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raziel.beoulve said:
I was going th carge wherever and start using it, beut then i got the phone and read that it would be good to charge it full first.
i.imgur.com/0PP3v.jpg
I prefer to follow what google says thank you very much
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Actually, it doesn't say to do it "first". It says "its a good idea to fully charge *as soon as you get a chance*."
The wording in the quick start guide you provided doesn't seem to imply that its a critical thing. It seems to me that they are putting that there in case someone takes it out the box, starts playing with/using it, then wonders why the phone is already dead. Then they post to XDA about how the battery life sucks. (Just kidding! )
Hello all,
I am new to XDA-Developers, so bear with me, thanks! I had some questions regarding batteries. I just bought a Nexus 4 and noticed that it has a Lithium-Polymer battery.
1.How exactly does it compare to the common Li-Ion battery, used in most other phones, in terms of charge retention, # of charge cycles, etc?
2. For those of you who have the Nexus 4 (beautiful device btw), how long does your battery typically last, based on usage level?
3. What tips and tricks do you all have to maximize battery life and also the number of charge cycles that I can get out of this phone?
Any honest, helpful answers will be great. I appreciate the help guys!
Nakulm said:
Hello all,
I am new to XDA-Developers, so bear with me, thanks! I had some questions regarding batteries. I just bought a Nexus 4 and noticed that it has a Lithium-Polymer battery.
1.How exactly does it compare to the common Li-Ion battery, used in most other phones, in terms of charge retention, # of charge cycles, etc?
2. For those of you who have the Nexus 4 (beautiful device btw), how long does your battery typically last, based on usage level?
3. What tips and tricks do you all have to maximize battery life and also the number of charge cycles that I can get out of this phone?
Any honest, helpful answers will be great. I appreciate the help guys!
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1. It lasts longer in terms of charge retention and cycles.
2. I get about four hours of screen on browsing on 3G over a 16 hour day.
3. To maximize battery life and charge cycles keep the charge level between 20-80%.
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I bought my N4 about 4 month ago,recently I found that the battery life of it from bad to worse...I has connected the extended battery nearly half a day,and charge all night when I sleeping.Does those behavior make the battery bad?How can I repair it or replace a new battery?
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brantzlee said:
I bought my N4 about 4 month ago,recently I found that the battery life of it from bad to worse...I has connected the extended battery nearly half a day,and charge all night when I sleeping.Does those behavior make the battery bad?How can I repair it or replace a new battery?
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Avoid using extended battery life.. Charge your phone til 100% and used it till gets to/around 10% and then charge it again so that the charging cycle is fixed. If you are rooted make a full wipe and install any ROM you like with some good kernels out there that matches the ROM. :good:
It might also be a rough app that you recently installed. Use BetterbatteryStats or Wakelock detector this will show you what is causing the unwanted deadlocks and causing battery drain. :good:
Hope this helps you.
Press thanks I helped you.
Hi I'm new to nexus 4 and have a battery question. I didn't want to start a new thread. I bought a slightly used nexus 4 and charge it to 100% after only a minute of use it immediately starts to drop. Is this normal? I ask because I had an HTC sensation that I charged to 100% and could at least get 10 minutes of use before battery started to drop. Is there something wrong with the battery or is this just the way the nexus 4 operates?
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funkymonkey_01 said:
Hi I'm new to nexus 4 and have a battery question. I didn't want to start a new thread. I bought a slightly used nexus 4 and charge it to 100% after only a minute of use it immediately starts to drop. Is this normal? I ask because I had an HTC sensation that I charged to 100% and could at least get 10 minutes of use before battery started to drop. Is there something wrong with the battery or is this just the way the nexus 4 operates?
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Nexus 4 works this way.. Its all right if battery drops in a minute.. There are plenty of process and their corresponding syncs that actually causes the battery to drain.. Try some different kernel all are good you will get more battery backup.:good:
BUT Stock Rom + Stock kernel are THE BEST.
Maintaining battery health requires a bit of a balance. You don't want to frequently do deep discharges, but you also don't want to charge your phone every time it drops by 10%. If you're sitting around with a charger, plug your phone in when it hits 50%, then let it charge fully before unplugging it.
Overall though, batteries just degrade. You're not going to have a huge impact on the health of your battery unless you're charging it every time it hits 95%.
How about using a slower charger over night? I believe the OEM is what, 1.2amps? I have a couple 1amp chargers from previous phones I had. Will that charge slower/safer?
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Modern lithium ion batteries are fairly robust and more chemically sound than early rechargeable batteries. However they do have a finite number of charge cycles.
But you have to understand what a charge cycle is, a full drain to 0 and charge to 100.
So for example Draining to 50 then up, then 50 again then up= 1 charge cycle.
So... Draining it to 95 and bumping it to 100 would take 20 times to reach 1 charge cycle.
Trickle charging vs the oem power used isn't going to make much difference either.
Being ocd about the battery is just going to make you pay more attention to it and thus making you more aware of drain...just use the darn phone and enjoy it!
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Modern lithium ion batteries are fairly robust and more chemically sound than early rechargeable batteries. However they do have a finite number of charge cycles.
But you have to understand what a charge cycle is, a full drain to 0 and charge to 100.
So for example Draining to 50 then up, then 50 again then up= 1 charge cycle.
So... Draining it to 95 and bumping it to 100 would take 20 times to reach 1 charge cycle.
Trickle charging vs the oem power used isn't going to make much difference either.
Being ocd about the battery is just going to make you pay more attention to it and thus making you more aware of drain...just use the darn phone and enjoy it!
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Word.
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there is no right way. plug it in when you need a charge, or when there is just a plug around and you want to top off. you do not need to discharge battery to a certain point then charge. just charge it whenever. all these other theories are just that, theories. at work all day, i bump charge it whenever i reach around 80-85%. my battery has not gotten worse. and when im not around chargers, my battery is built to last. i average around 5.5-7.5 hours screen on time, depending what im doing, and im a heavy user.
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studacris said:
Modern lithium ion batteries are fairly robust and more chemically sound than early rechargeable batteries. However they do have a finite number of charge cycles.
But you have to understand what a charge cycle is, a full drain to 0 and charge to 100.
So for example Draining to 50 then up, then 50 again then up= 1 charge cycle.
So... Draining it to 95 and bumping it to 100 would take 20 times to reach 1 charge cycle.
Trickle charging vs the oem power used isn't going to make much difference either.
Being ocd about the battery is just going to make you pay more attention to it and thus making you more aware of drain...just use the darn phone and enjoy it!
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truth.
The battery will only be able to take 1.2 amps or what ever, for the first 10% or so of battery life. By 25% charge, its only sucking around 750ma, and by 50% you are lucky to suck a half amp. Lion batteries do not charge via constant current, they charge via constant voltage (with the voltage dropped for 25% battery charge or less due to over current). So as the battery charges (aka increases in voltage) it draws less and less current.
You want a tip from a guy that has to run the lion battery analyzer for flight modules, keep your battery between 15% and 85%, and long term story them around 30%-40%. A pack that is left on a good charger ($75 or more) charger and never gets below 98% will loose its capacity at double the rate of a pack that floats above 15% and only gets charged to full when needed.
Ive had packs in the field coming back for recal from 2003 still holding above 90% rated capacity because they dont leave them on the charger and dont let them go dead in a locker some where. On the other side ive had 2 year old packs come back that are at 80% capacity ( i fail them at 85%) or less because they sat dead for a year.
anybody know when the time is best to recharge the phone battery?
because i heard that lithium battery should not empty before recharge... and if i empty battery (1%) , this damage the battery
persiansoftware said:
anybody know when the time is best to recharge the phone battery?
because i heard that lithium battery should not empty before recharge... and if i empty battery (1%) , this damage the battery
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about 20% is the best time i read somewhere
jaythenut said:
about 20% is the best time i read somewhere
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if i empty the battery, is damage my battery??
persiansoftware said:
if i empty the battery, is damage my battery??
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If you do it to often it will shorten the battery life
wait till it asks You to charge , I guess that message is for this . Connect your charger ! under 15% Phone tells You itself
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persiansoftware said:
anybody know when the time is best to recharge the phone battery?
because i heard that lithium battery should not empty before recharge... and if i empty battery (1%) , this damage the battery
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Above are all incorrect!
Charge at 50% and you can do it about 1500 times.
Charge at 20% and you can do it about 700 times.
Source: lots of places and lots of experience, but alse here for you to read: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries (oh and "100% DoD" means fully drained battery!)
Peyman92 said:
wait till it asks You to charge , I guess that message is for this . Connect your charger ! under 15% Phone tells You itself
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I hope you dont do that for all your phones as it will destroy your battery way sooner. Charge it when it reaches 50% and you can do 3 to 5 years with the battery at 24/7 use. (Instead of the 1 to 2 years when draining the battery).
Yes, it is recommended to charge the battery when it below 40% and disconnect the charger when it reach 99%. Do not overchange.
There was a big test I did read and the best was to keep it between 40 and 80 percent.
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charge it when it prompts you to charge. at 19% you start getting the first recommendation in lockscreen, then at 15% you even get an annoying prompt.
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Are you guys seriously sitting and watching until the battery goes down to certain percentage? And for what? Battery is easy to replace and not that expensive, it has a circuit to protect it from over and under charging, to avoid the damage and you get many more shallow charge/discharge cycles than deep ones as already mentioned. I charge my phone daily in the evening at my convenience, usually before I go sleep regardless of what's left (unless I use it so much it can't last until evening), so by the time I go sleep it's 100% and by morning it will be around 97% and normally last me whole day. I've been doing this for yrs and for example my 4yr old Nokia I gave to my friend, still lasts him couple days of light use on original battery. I wouldn't worry about it at all. Every few months you may want to fully discharge it to lets say 3-5% to have the meter calibrated and maybe clean the contacts with alcohol every six months or so, but that's all the maintenance my battery will get or need. If it fails before the phone, it probably had some factory defect or something, but no big deal as long as there is replacement easy to buy and with so many millions of notes sold, there should be.
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Are you guys seriously sitting and watching until the battery goes down to certain percentage? And for what? Battery is easy to replace and not that expensive, it has a circuit to protect it from over and under charging, to avoid the damage and you get many more shallow charge/discharge cycles than deep ones as already mentioned. I charge my phone daily in the evening at my convenience, usually before I go sleep regardless of what's left (unless I use it so much it can't last until evening), so by the time I go sleep it's 100% and by morning it will be around 97% and normally last me whole day. I've been doing this for yrs and for example my 4yr old Nokia I gave to my friend, still lasts him couple days of light use on original battery. I wouldn't worry about it at all. Every few months you may want to fully discharge it to lets say 3-5% to have the meter calibrated and maybe clean the contacts with alcohol every six months or so, but that's all the maintenance my battery will get or need. If it fails before the phone, it probably had some factory defect or something, but no big deal as long as there is replacement easy to buy and with so many millions of notes sold, there should be.
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Couldn't agree more, I charge mine on a evening regardless and phone gets me easily through a day. If I notice a massive drop in the battery not holding a charge then I will buy a new one. More important things to worry about in life than watching my percentage for the battery.
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HanZie82 said:
Above are all incorrect!
Charge at 50% and you can do it about 1500 times.
Charge at 20% and you can do it about 700 times.
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That is good as a principle but the numbers are still rather big and depend even more on the charging current - if you charge (even) from 50% with 2000 mAh it will never last 1500 recharges - that is why Samsung has slightly improved the Note 3 recharging algorithm so as to use (variable) lower currents (even if the charger is 2000 mAh), and also why it is still far, far better to recharge from a very good USB at under 500 mAh (actually 450) - and indeed preferably from over 40%.
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That is good as a principle but the numbers are still rather big and depend even more on the charging current - if you charge (even) from 50% with 2000 mAh it will never last 1500 recharges - that is why Samsung has slightly improved the Note 3 recharging algorithm so as to use (variable) lower currents (even if the charger is 2000 mAh), and also why it is still far, far better to recharge from a very good USB at under 500 mAh (actually 450) - and indeed preferably from over 40%.
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As long as the charging current is lower then 1C (1 full charge for the note3 its 3200mAh) its not a problem and wont shorten lifetime.
But yeah charging at lower currents is better, but more due to less heat and induction.
Anyway its just sad that other people with little to no knowledge about lithium batterys are giving advice, and WRONG advice at that.
Just read the link i posted in previous post (page1) there are the facts. Dont believe just anybody, people are stupid. (yeah im people too )
The chemical reaction will be less when battery is drained and is hard to recover.
But if the battery seems dead, put it in the freezer for 2 or 3 hours and it will be recoverable.
Theres more to these batterys than people think.