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Pardon my boldness but I have been on this forum now for awhile and been reading and getting alot of very good information on ROOTING.
I have yet to ROOT my Hero and I am really in a struggle to do so because it seems to me that those of you, for the most part, who have ROOTED your phones are the same people who are having all the problems with this and that appearently because of the ROOT. I mean that folks with stock Hero's very rarely say that something isn't working as it should. App's withstanding. I refer to stock features only.
Reading the problems is the Who's Who of why I think it not a wise choice for me to ROOT at this time.
Anyway, I had my say and my stock Hero works just fine with its 1800 from Mugen. Remember, its a phone, not a pc even tho it share's some pc features.
Thanks for listening...and for a great place to learn.
The key piece of information to remember is that rooting does't cause the issues we experience. It's the custom ROMs and hacks we install that cause problems
I think most everyone here remembers that we're doing these things at our own risk.
As for the OP, if you don't feel a desire for the features available after rooting or flashing a custom ROM, that's cool. It's not for everyone.
Rooting, flashing, hacking... it's for tinkerers. People who like to find out why something does or doesn't work and then find a fix for it.
I would place a bet on this:
The people who don't have root or don't want to root, and they rarely post their issues in comparision with those who have rooted.
Yes, Most of the issues you see here are self inflicted, but it's what we do. We like a challenge/problem, it gives us something to do. Another reason to stay up till 3 in the morning to find out WHY it's jacked up.
If your issues are so bad, RUU and stick with stock (A whole new set of issues).
We mention our problems so that developers can try and fix them for the next release. In all honesty, Ive had one 1 problem, that was when I installed AOSP 1.6, which btw is/will not supported by our phone officially, I got the dreaded SMS issue that SOME people are experiencing.
Well yea many people post about issues who are rooted, but it is caused by other things they are doing that require it. Simply rooting your device shouldn't cause anything to go wrong.
Roms and other things that require root access tend to be beta, and even if they are not beta they are created by people, and not everything will be perfect.
It is pretty hard to permakill your hero compared to other devices. The only way I know of using the software is through flashing the radio, or messing with ESID and stuff like that.
Which you aren't supposed to do .
Yo Is_907
Not quite the 1st reply I was expecting but a very nice understanding instead. You SIR are a gentlemen and I thank you.
Yes, at the ripe old age of 62 I do believe ROOTing and all that goes with it are for you younger folks who have grown up with computers and like devices. I do tinker somewhat and in fact, my wife and I host a private FREE World of Warcraft ( WOW )server. Been hosting online game servers for about 9 years now and we love it.
Once again, thanks and as you said, I probably need alot more schooling before I would attempt a ROOT. My only problem is AWAKE time, its really high even tho I have removed those apps I can remove to help that situation. Hopefully, 2.1 will help us Non Roots somewhat but if not, then I will strongly consider ROOTing. As long as I know there are people like yourself to help us old dudes.
Thanks again Is_907, and to the rest of you who voiced your opinions, Thanks. All good points and even more reason to consider ROOTing.
rdisanza said:
Pardon my boldness but I have been on this forum now for awhile and been reading and getting alot of very good information on ROOTING.
I have yet to ROOT my Hero and I am really in a struggle to do so because it seems to me that those of you, for the most part, who have ROOTED your phones are the same people who are having all the problems with this and that appearently because of the ROOT. I mean that folks with stock Hero's very rarely say that something isn't working as it should. App's withstanding. I refer to stock features only.
Reading the problems is the Who's Who of why I think it not a wise choice for me to ROOT at this time.
Anyway, I had my say and my stock Hero works just fine with its 1800 from Mugen. Remember, its a phone, not a pc even tho it share's some pc features.
Thanks for listening...and for a great place to learn.
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There's not an issue with rooting in and of itself. Take me for instance. I've had some problems with my phone:
1. Apps2SD didn't work...but that was part of a ROM that was being beta tested.
2. Kernel locked up...that was due to an invalid setting I put into the kernel I was building.
3. Lost CPU kernel control...this is something I'm doing wrong in the kernel I am building. I simply restore a control file from a previous build and recompile.
These are things that were expected in testing and needed to be fixed or that I inflicted on my own.
I have a friend who has rooted his Hero, but hasn't applied any of the custom ROMs to his phone (although he has installed applications that require root). He's never had an issue with the phone.
It really depends on what you use it for.
rdisanza said:
Yo Is_907
Not quite the 1st reply I was expecting but a very nice understanding instead. You SIR are a gentlemen and I thank you.
Yes, at the ripe old age of 62 I do believe ROOTing and all that goes with it are for you younger folks who have grown up with computers and like devices. I do tinker somewhat and in fact, my wife and I host a private FREE World of Warcraft ( WOW )server. Been hosting online game servers for about 9 years now and we love it.
Once again, thanks and as you said, I probably need alot more schooling before I would attempt a ROOT. My only problem is AWAKE time, its really high even tho I have removed those apps I can remove to help that situation. Hopefully, 2.1 will help us Non Roots somewhat but if not, then I will strongly consider ROOTing. As long as I know there are people like yourself to help us old dudes.
Thanks again Is_907, and to the rest of you who voiced your opinions, Thanks. All good points and even more reason to consider ROOTing.
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Rooting really isn't too difficult. Just look at the intelligence level of some of the people who have managed to root (before anyone flames me, I'm mainly talking about myself)!
I believe it's entirely possible to root your phone, install a custom ROM that is close to stock, and then live a happy life without ever messing with it again.... Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face!
Kidding aside, did you update your phone with the Sprint Maintenance Release? You mentioned "awake time" which this patch will fix without the need to root.
Honestly, I mess around with my Hero so much that I am often startled when it rings and I'm reminded that it's a phone.
watzone69 said:
Rooting really isn't too difficult. Just look at the intelligence level of some of the people who have managed to root (before anyone flames me, I'm mainly talking about myself)!
I believe it's entirely possible to root your phone, install a custom ROM that is close to stock, and then live a happy life without ever messing with it again.... Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face!
Kidding aside, did you update your phone with the Sprint Maintenance Release? You mentioned "awake time" which this patch will fix without the need to root.
Honestly, I mess around with my Hero so much that I am often startled when it rings and I'm reminded that it's a phone.
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lol I second this my wife hates the fact the I have tis really nice phone and when ever I am at home she can never get ahold of because I am always doing something to it.
to the OP rooting really is not hard I mean if you are hosting a MMORPG server you could surely do it, but if your happy with your phone as is then that is really awesome. I myself when I first got my phone knew ABSOLUTLY NOTHING about android or linux or what in the work a kernel or apk was but with the help of the great community here I have learned so much. Dont get me wrong I am no where near where a lot of the guys on here are but I am learning and helping as much as I can just as those that helped me (i mean I am just happy that I think I could go through and make a theme now lol). if you are happy with the phone as is the only benifit of rooting I would bring up is being able to make backups of everything that way if anything does happen to the phone then you dont have to go trough and redownload apps and set everyhting back up again.
if you do decide to make the leap there are many people here more than willing to help.
Its not the Intelligence thing, I know I can ROOT if I wish either with PreKitchen or the cmd prompt. And YES, I do host a game server and can write script so its not that I don't have the know-how. Its just me, I really don't need to be ROOT'd but the thought of having full control is the thing. Guess you could say I am a Control Freak. If you have ever played online and been part of the game Administration, you know what I mean.
Thanks, I haven't said NO, still just wondering is all.
Regards,
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Its not the Intelligence thing, I know I can ROOT if I wish either with PreKitchen or the cmd prompt. And YES, I do host a game server and can write script so its not that I don't have the know-how. Its just me, I really don't need to be ROOT'd but the thought of having full control is the thing. Guess you could say I am a Control Freak. If you have ever played online and been part of the game Administration, you know what I mean.
Thanks, I haven't said NO, still just wondering is all.
Regards,
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oh please understand I wasnt trying to insult you at all, and yes I understand the control thing. thats why I rooted originally but then I flashed my first rom and got addicted. Now if im not changing my phone in some way on a pretty much daily basis I start to get the DT's lol.
No insult taken my friend. The DT's, lol WORD!
Rooting is actually deceptively easy. All you have to do is download fresh pre-kitchen and hit root. Even from the command prompt (which i used because i don't have access to a windows machine) is still easy. This is literally ALL you have to do: (These are instructions for macs, basically same on windows)
Step 1. Download Android SDK from android.com
Step 2. Download Amon Ra's Sprint Hero Recovery Image
Step 3. Copy the recovery image to root of phone's SD card (name it recovery.img)
Step 4. Open command prompt and navigate to tools folder of the SDK \AndroidSDK\Tools
Step 5. Type the following code with phone plugged in via USB:
Code:
adb shell
#cd /sdcard
#flash_image recovery recovery.img
#reboot recovery
Your phone should then boot into a screen with green text on a black background. Success! You have rooted. (Note: you will need to get the version of Stock ROM with SU for root access.)
Before you reboot the phone go into Backup/Restore>Nandroid Backup Then hit Home to confirm. This will say Performing backup...... and then say Backup complete! You may now hit Reboot System Now and it will start up like normal. Then, mount the SD card, and copy the Nandroid folder to your computer. This is your stock ROM, if anything goes wrong copy this back to the phone and restore it. You may boot into recovery by starting up the phone while holding the home button. Hope this helped.
HeroMeng said:
Rooting is actually deceptively easy. All you have to do is download fresh pre-kitchen and hit root. Even from the command prompt (which i used because i don't have access to a windows machine) is still easy. This is literally ALL you have to do: (These are instructions for macs, basically same on windows)
Step 1. Download Android SDK from android.com
Step 2. Download Amon Ra's Sprint Hero Recovery Image
Step 3. Copy the recovery image to root of phone's SD card (name it recovery.img)
Step 4. Open command prompt and navigate to tools folder of the SDK \AndroidSDK\Tools
Step 5. Type the following code with phone plugged in via USB:
Code:
adb shell
#cd /sdcard
#flash_image recovery recovery.img
#reboot recovery
Your phone should then boot into a screen with green text on a black background. Success! You have rooted. (Note: you will need to get the version of Stock ROM with SU for root access.)
Before you reboot the phone go into Backup/Restore>Nandroid Backup Then hit Home to confirm. This will say Performing backup...... and then say Backup complete! You may now hit Reboot System Now and it will start up like normal. Then, mount the SD card, and copy the Nandroid folder to your computer. This is your stock ROM, if anything goes wrong copy this back to the phone and restore it. You may boot into recovery by starting up the phone while holding the home button. Hope this helped.
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You don't have to push the asroot2 exploit!?!?!!?
Kcarpenter said:
You don't have to push the asroot2 exploit!?!?!!?
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Not if you're flashing a custom rom that already has it.
You have to have root access to initially install the custom recovery image. So you DO need to push the asroot2 exploit & run it on the phone.
gu1dry said:
You have to have root access to initially install the custom recovery image. So you DO need to push the asroot2 exploit & run it on the phone.
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I never had to do that when I rooted. Flashed MCR right after I rooted using above method and it worked fine.
Yes the asroot2 exploit is was allows to root the phone, so therefore you had run the exploit initially.
I've got a new A500 and I intend to root it soon, but I would like advice on whether to take the current update 7.014.1 being pushed before I go through the rooting process? It currently shows having 3.2 OS version.
Zoandroid said:
I've got a new A500 and I intend to root it soon, but I would like advice on whether to take the current update 7.014.1 being pushed before I go through the rooting process? It currently shows having 3.2 OS version.
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Doesn't matter, the only way to root it is by flashing it which wipes it totally clean
timmyDean said:
Doesn't matter, the only way to root it is by flashing it which wipes it totally clean
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My concern, being still in the middle of researching just how to root the A500, was whether the update would have a similar effect as, for example, the more major update from 3.0 to 3.2, which, as I understand it totally changes the procedure used to achieve root. But if it won't matter one way or the other, I might as well take the update in the interim. I keep hoping to see a more simple 'one-click' style of root made available before I tackle this task. So far I've found something like 3 different ways to root the tablet between this forum and another. But each is a rather involved process.
Thanks!
timmyDean said:
Doesn't matter, the only way to root it is by flashing it which wipes it totally clean
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I downgraded, rooted, and then flashed the stock ROM without wiping. If going to any other rom, you might need to wipe.
There currently is no way to root a stock 3.2 or later tablet with a simple one click. In the past GingerBreak gave us that ability but since has been plugged. The other thing causing issues is ACER locked the boot loader making it difficult to flash in a new boot image to get to root.
=== 411 on rooting ===
So, if you have a tablet and want to root it then you have to start looking at security holes. This is what the GingerBreak exploit did along with others. But, ACER plugged those holes and as of today, nobody has found anymore.
So, you might look at exploiting an update.zip. These are OTA's that run but they are signed by ACER. So you can take it apart (unzip) and modify it, but you cannot resign it with an ACER Key. Therefore, you have to sign it with your key. Since it is NOT signed by ACER, the ACER recovery will not install it. So, you have to replace the ACER recovery with CWM which will install any update.zip regardless of who signed it. You just need to change the built in recovery by flashing in CWM recovery.
Lastly, you can just change the boot image and add root. This is easy and straight forward to do. This is just like making your own custom update.zip. Once you have your custom boot, you can then just use Nvflash to flash in your custom boot.
Now, fast forward. ACER (can someone please explain to me why?) decided to lock the bootloader thereby not allowing you to replace the recovery, boot, or any other area. Meaning, you cannot use Nvflash anymore without a key.
With the bootloader locked, you can only load new images if you know the key used to lock it. Of course, they use a public and private key combination, and they appear to use the serial number of the USB device as part of the public key making the keys on my tablet unique compared to yours.
With all this said, this ends all the easy simple rooting methods because first, they've plugged all the security holes (which they should do). Secondly, they locked the boot loader making it very difficult for people to just flash in a rooted boot image.
Armed with this, how do you root a 3.2? One way to do it is to get to a version prior to 3.2 loaded that has a security hole or does not have the bootloader locked. You now exploit it and get root. Now, with root access you make a 'backdoor' that only you know about which allows you to get into your tablet as root. With this done, now roll your tablet forward apply all updates. Since you have a 'backdoor' you can always gain root access.
Unfortunately, this gets to be messy or can be more difficult to do than just clicking on a GingerBreak application. However, if you follow the steps posted here in the forum, it's straight forward and easy enough to do. If not, you are going to have to wait for someone to find a hole and build a oneclick application. I wouldn't hold my breath on this, it probably will never happen because everyone is working on ICS.
Lastly, everyone should write to ACER, refuse to buy ACER (or any tablet) that doesn't allow you (AS THE OWNER) to change it. How would you like to buy a Ford to just have Ford lock the lug nuts on the rims so you could NOT put on your custom wheels.
I believe failure to allow owners to unlock these devices will be the downfall to Android. Windows 8 does NOT have such restrictions and businesses are not going to use devices that are locked and cannot be customized for business. Because developers write software they can sell, they'll move to Windows 8 and drop supporting Android and all these goofy flavors and restrictions. Android might be great and everyone hates Microsoft, but software vendors are going to NOT want to support all these devices.
my 2¢
timmyDean said:
There currently is no way to root a stock 3.2 or later tablet with a simple one click. In the past GingerBreak gave us that ability but since has been plugged. The other thing causing issues is ACER locked the boot loader making it difficult to flash in a new boot image to get to root.
=== 411 on rooting ===
So, if you have a tablet and want to root it then you have to start looking at security holes. This is what the GingerBreak exploit did along with others. But, ACER plugged those holes and as of today, nobody has found anymore.
So, you might look at exploiting an update.zip. These are OTA's that run but they are signed by ACER. So you can take it apart (unzip) and modify it, but you cannot resign it with an ACER Key. Therefore, you have to sign it with your key. Since it is NOT signed by ACER, the ACER recovery will not install it. So, you have to replace the ACER recovery with CWM which will install any update.zip regardless of who signed it. You just need to change the built in recovery by flashing in CWM recovery.
Lastly, you can just change the boot image and add root. This is easy and straight forward to do. This is just like making your own custom update.zip. Once you have your custom boot, you can then just use Nvflash to flash in your custom boot.
Now, fast forward. ACER (can someone please explain to me why?) decided to lock the bootloader thereby not allowing you to replace the recovery, boot, or any other area. Meaning, you cannot use Nvflash anymore without a key.
With the bootloader locked, you can only load new images if you know the key used to lock it. Of course, they use a public and private key combination, and they appear to use the serial number of the USB device as part of the public key making the keys on my tablet unique compared to yours.
With all this said, this ends all the easy simple rooting methods because first, they've plugged all the security holes (which they should do). Secondly, they locked the boot loader making it very difficult for people to just flash in a rooted boot image.
Armed with this, how do you root a 3.2? One way to do it is to get to a version prior to 3.2 loaded that has a security hole or does not have the bootloader locked. You now exploit it and get root. Now, with root access you make a 'backdoor' that only you know about which allows you to get into your tablet as root. With this done, now roll your tablet forward apply all updates. Since you have a 'backdoor' you can always gain root access.
Unfortunately, this gets to be messy or can be more difficult to do than just clicking on a GingerBreak application. However, if you follow the steps posted here in the forum, it's straight forward and easy enough to do. If not, you are going to have to wait for someone to find a hole and build a oneclick application. I wouldn't hold my breath on this, it probably will never happen because everyone is working on ICS.
Lastly, everyone should write to ACER, refuse to buy ACER (or any tablet) that doesn't allow you (AS THE OWNER) to change it. How would you like to buy a Ford to just have Ford lock the lug nuts on the rims so you could NOT put on your custom wheels.
I believe failure to allow owners to unlock these devices will be the downfall to Android. Windows 8 does NOT have such restrictions and businesses are not going to use devices that are locked and cannot be customized for business. Because developers write software they can sell, they'll move to Windows 8 and drop supporting Android and all these goofy flavors and restrictions. Android might be great and everyone hates Microsoft, but software vendors are going to NOT want to support all these devices.
my 2¢
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Hi, and thank you VERY much for posting such a nice explanation, especially in addition to all the work you have done posting your thread rooting 3.2. I understand, and completely agree with your explanation, as well as your position on taking control of what we bought and paid for. I take even stronger offense with this tablet's bootloader being locked than I do on my phones. This is not a discounted phone with a service plan tied to a cell provider. It has WiFi, but " I " am the only one providing its data (it never leaves my home). There is no justification here that I am 'leasing' a provider's technology . It was a gift, so I can't speak to choosing the vendor. But I like your wheel lug analogy.
I've been reading the threads on rooting, and both my Android phones are rooted and ROMed, so I've been around the block a couple times from the rooting aspect. But thus far I have been rather confused as to which route to take with the tablet. I don't want to be limited to using terminal for su access, so I want to 'fully root' the tablet. My goal is to allow apps like Titanium Backup, Root Explorer, and others I use on the phones, as well as having Clockworkmod Recovery, or similar recovery capable of working with nandroid backups. But for now I don't have plans to use a custom ROM. So having rooted stock 3.2 would suffice.
Although I do fully understand the need to research these kinds of things before jumping in, I also know that often times information evolves, and lengthy threads which were once considered current info end up not getting updated during that evolution. This can lead to wasted time reading information which can no longer actually be used . So in the spirit of pursuing the most current info, could you recommend which thread I can use to get the best results while rooting this 3.2.1 OS Tablet with the above goals in mind?
Used Timmydean's method, it is pretty easy as long as you follow his instructions with in the zip file he has made with all the tools you need inside of hat zip file. You root, install super user and busybox then download Acer recover installer and that will install cwm...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20654298&postcount=129
Good luck and thanks again timmydean for this method.
Sent from my A500 using xda premium
Thanks, that sounds like the way to go. I'll head over to the link you provided.
I've got a couple of questions about the zip file at that post. I want to download that to my PC, and will be using ADB from there, right? I have the choice of doing so from either Windows XP SP3, or Windows 7 Home Premium. I read in older threads that many of the problems people had were only when they used XP, but were avoided by using Windows 7 (which was exactly opposite of what people experienced rooting the LG Ally), so it seems that in this case it is desirable to use Win7?
I presume I'll need to install a driver so the PC can 'see' the tablet. Is one provided in the tools, or do I need to download that somewhere?
I used windows 7. Yes the driver is in the zip file. I unzipped the file to a folder on my desktop and went from there.
In the zip there is a folder called usbpcdriver. Run the set up from within the fooder to get your driver... please read the instructions that say read me..
Sent from my A500 using xda premium
Thanks. I intend to read everything I can get my hands on before I actually start this. I definitely don't want any trouble or, heaven forbid, to brick the tablet.
pretty easy i think... good luck and let us know when you get rooted
I'm not finding any actual instructions on the steps to take for this procedure. The readme file in version 3 zip file only talks about "changes" from whatever the original procedure was.
Where can I get the actual instructions for the entire procedure?
Edit: I just downloaded version 2 of the zip file. In that one there is an additional PDF called "Steps". It is a little more detailed, and says at step 20 that "you should now have 3.2 with a SU shell installed". Does the DotNetDetector step actually ROOT the device? That seems simple enough, but it still has no mention of things like installing ADB and the PC driver. I located the actual thread from which the single post was derived (the target of the URL above, where it is suggested I use TimmyDean's procedure). I am now looking through that entire thread to try to sort out where the instructions are.
AHA! Post 119 of that main thread says "Also the instructions and everything you need are in earlier posts.".
It appears this procedure needs an instruction manual written to consolidate all the gathered information. Having a link to only the download zip files isn't telling me the whole picture. I'll try gleaning the thread and see if I can put together all the steps needed from start to finish to make this work. Looks like ROOT ain't happening tonight.
http://www.multiupload.com/SLR6XSV841
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thats the link to read me file.. I about to jail break an Iphone 4... Wish me luck
I edited the above post while you were replying. I'll check out that link, thanks.
Good luck on jailbreaking the DemonSpawn 4.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20680452&postcount=137
he has updated it again. looks like a few steps where taken out to make it more simpler
good luck man. Iphone is jail broken
OK, so it looks like the file you just sent me a link to is the same one as the "Steps.PDF" file that was released in Version 2. It appears to me that what I need to do is blend the changes (detailed in version 3's readme file) into that original Steps file, to make a single contiguous set of instructions, and then start at the top. I notice it does mention installing the PC driver and ADB.
Do I have this right so far?
rdnkchevy said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20680452&postcount=137
he has updated it again. looks like a few steps where taken out to make it more simpler
good luck man. Iphone is jail broken
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That was fast! Wanna do my tablet?
The link you sent just now is to the version 3 zip file posted on 12/25, which is what I had initially downloaded. It does appear he streamlined the procedure, but it is that readme file which leaves out the part about installing the PC driver and ADB in the beginning, and also leaves out the part at the end telling you that you should now have 3.2 with a SU shell installed.
Please understand that I want to be "fully" rooted, not just have the ability to gain an SU prompt in terminal. Will this procedure "fully root" the tablet? I'm confused by what he means saying "SU shell installed".
Yes if you use his v3 file you will be.. you will need to down load acer recovery from the market after you are rooted and then flash clockworkmod.. this should all take you about 30 min if that...
rdnkchevy said:
Yes if you use his v3 file you will be.. you will need to down load acer recovery from the market after you are rooted and then flash clockworkmod.. this should all take you about 30 min if that...
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OK, thanks!! Rooting went well without incident. I just installed Root Explorer and Titanium Backup, and made a backup to SD of my apps and data. Then installed Acer Recovery Installer, and let it install CWM Recovery. But what is considered the "home" button on the tablet?? Is it the reset button? The only buttons on this thing are the Volume rocker and the Power button. ( I got brave and found out it is the POWER button ).
Edit: To clarify, I meant to ask which button serves as the Home button while you are IN the CWM Recovery environment, not while in the Android OS home screen.
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Hey all.
So I've had my A500 for about a year now and it's been on several different ROMs and kernels over that time.
Most recently, I was running Flexreaper R12 (I believe) and ICS was running very smoothly.
At some point a few months ago (after a Flexreaper update), I was experiencing the Sleep Of Death and flashed an AntiSOD kernel to stop it (which it did). All this time, for some reason or another, I never updated the bootloader past the Honeycomb bootloader - and that's where I'm stuck right now.
I've tried using AfterOTA in every possible way to get anything else loaded.
I've tried Blackthund3r's A500 APX Flash Utility with at least 7 different APX packages, but no matter what I try, I'm still stuck with Flexreaper and the HC bootloader.
FWIW, both AfterOTA and the A500 APX Flash Util experience a problem with my A500 when it reboots. Most of the time I can get the device to be recognized by my OS (Windows 7 x64), but sometimes it doesn't and fails on driver install, even though I've installed the Google drivers direct from the SDK as well as Acer's drivers (USB_Acer_1.00.0524_A30H_A31H_A32H_A500_A501).
I'm pretty sure this is a driver issue, but I'm unclear on how to fix it. I've uninstalled ALL drivers related to the A500, rebooted and reinstalled them, I've uninstalled them and then pointed the installer directly to the unzipped USB driver folder (from above), but it seems that at some point the device fails to be seen, only rarely - but it's this that I think is the main problem... or I'm missing something.
So, any advice for someone that's STUCK on the old 3.01 bootloader?
Psychlone
Psychlone said:
Hey all.
So I've had my A500 for about a year now and it's been on several different ROMs and kernels over that time.
Most recently, I was running Flexreaper R12 (I believe) and ICS was running very smoothly.
At some point a few months ago (after a Flexreaper update), I was experiencing the Sleep Of Death and flashed an AntiSOD kernel to stop it (which it did). All this time, for some reason or another, I never updated the bootloader past the Honeycomb bootloader - and that's where I'm stuck right now.
I've tried using AfterOTA in every possible way to get anything else loaded.
I've tried Blackthund3r's A500 APX Flash Utility with at least 7 different APX packages, but no matter what I try, I'm still stuck with Flexreaper and the HC bootloader.
FWIW, both AfterOTA and the A500 APX Flash Util experience a problem with my A500 when it reboots. Most of the time I can get the device to be recognized by my OS (Windows 7 x64), but sometimes it doesn't and fails on driver install, even though I've installed the Google drivers direct from the SDK as well as Acer's drivers (USB_Acer_1.00.0524_A30H_A31H_A32H_A500_A501).
I'm pretty sure this is a driver issue, but I'm unclear on how to fix it. I've uninstalled ALL drivers related to the A500, rebooted and reinstalled them, I've uninstalled them and then pointed the installer directly to the unzipped USB driver folder (from above), but it seems that at some point the device fails to be seen, only rarely - but it's this that I think is the main problem... or I'm missing something.
So, any advice for someone that's STUCK on the old 3.01 bootloader?
Psychlone
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i was stuck to so i downgraded got the ics bootloader from the ota and then used afterOTA to get the unlocked version and it worked
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i was stuck to so i downgraded got the ics bootloader from the ota and then used afterOTA to get the unlocked version and it worked
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So how did you downgrade? I've done everything I can think of - at least 6 times over...
That was the plan after I figured that downgrading back to stock and then going up from there was the only way, but I can't even go back to Honeycomb 3.2 or even 3.1.
Check this out - I even made sure to make a CWM backup of my original setup before I upgraded to 3.2 back almost a year ago...but I can't get it to restore. In fact, I made several different backups and can't get ANY of them to restore.
So, in short, what did you do to go backwards?
Psychlone
EDIT: when I try to get into APX or Bootloader, it always ends up in Thor 1.7 and my computer doesn't recognize the device with a device driver install fail for MTP USB Device, even though I've installed the Acer Recovery drivers and the Google SDK drivers too... wtH?
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So how did you downgrade? I've done everything I can think of - at least 6 times over...
That was the plan after I figured that downgrading back to stock and then going up from there was the only way, but I can't even go back to Honeycomb 3.2 or even 3.1.
Check this out - I even made sure to make a CWM backup of my original setup before I upgraded to 3.2 back almost a year ago...but I can't get it to restore. In fact, I made several different backups and can't get ANY of them to restore.
So, in short, what did you do to go backwards?
Psychlone
EDIT: when I try to get into APX or Bootloader, it always ends up in Thor 1.7 and my computer doesn't recognize the device with a device driver install fail for MTP USB Device, even though I've installed the Acer Recovery drivers and the Google SDK drivers too... wtH?
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if your on the honeycomb bootloader simply flash a honeycomb rom and kernel no need to use afterOTA or anything else if i remember correctly
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So how did you downgrade? I've done everything I can think of - at least 6 times over...
That was the plan after I figured that downgrading back to stock and then going up from there was the only way, but I can't even go back to Honeycomb 3.2 or even 3.1.
Check this out - I even made sure to make a CWM backup of my original setup before I upgraded to 3.2 back almost a year ago...but I can't get it to restore. In fact, I made several different backups and can't get ANY of them to restore.
So, in short, what did you do to go backwards?
Psychlone
EDIT: when I try to get into APX or Bootloader, it always ends up in Thor 1.7 and my computer doesn't recognize the device with a device driver install fail for MTP USB Device, even though I've installed the Acer Recovery drivers and the Google SDK drivers too... wtH?
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you got a couple of choices....
with the HC Bootloader and ics rom...
full wipe and flash an HC rom or
nandroid restore an HC backup or
flash an update.zip
as a last resort - a complete downgrade/rollback use timmydeansv4 EUU - just be sure to follow the instructions in jazzyjames post on how to roll back - iu dont wanna get it wrong and end up stuck in apx mode. If it doesnt work first time....STOP...disconnect yr data cable and reboot tab and pc, use a different USB port and try it again....
Some folks have had issues with win64 so if you are able to then try on a different pc
sometimes a restore wont work unless you restore it with the recovery you used to back up with in the first place which may have been cwm 1.3.4 in your case....maybe???
as far as the MTP driver goes...that can be a pain...i had the same trouble a few days ago on ICS...took ages to get installed....and i still dont know why it did....or why it wouldnt....very frustrating!!!
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you got a couple of choices....
with the HC Bootloader and ics rom...
full wipe and flash an HC rom or
nandroid restore an HC backup or
flash an update.zip
as a last resort - a complete downgrade/rollback use timmydeansv4 EUU - just be sure to follow the instructions in jazzyjames post on how to roll back - iu dont wanna get it wrong and end up stuck in apx mode. If it doesnt work first time....STOP...disconnect yr data cable and reboot tab and pc, use a different USB port and try it again....
Some folks have had issues with win64 so if you are able to then try on a different pc
sometimes a restore wont work unless you restore it with the recovery you used to back up with in the first place which may have been cwm 1.3.4 in your case....maybe???
as far as the MTP driver goes...that can be a pain...i had the same trouble a few days ago on ICS...took ages to get installed....and i still dont know why it did....or why it wouldnt....very frustrating!!!
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he's not on the ics bootloader though so couldn't he just flash the 3.01 unstable and get the OTA? or go back to a stock rom in general?
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he's not on the ics bootloader though so couldn't he just flash the 3.01 unstable and get the OTA? or go back to a stock rom in general?
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Yeh 2nd line of my post hc bootloader ics rom, and u correct use 3.01 buggy update,zip or stock update.zip I shoulda been clearer - thanks gears
Thanks guys, I really do appreciate the help, but I'm still having serious issues reverting back to HC.
I feel like an idiot, but I have to say that even though it seems so, I'm actually the owner of a computer repair business, have 28 years experience in PC/Mac repair, and have rooted and modded every android device I've owned (including some for friends as well) - all the way back to the very beginning with the D1. This, however, has thrown me for a loop. NOTHING with this A500 has been this complicated! Everything up to this point has literally been stupid-proof and I've actually been quite impressed at just how easy modding is on the A500...
Anyway...
Here's what's going on and what I've tried today:
I've tried unsuccessfully several times to get ANYTHING working on my laptop, but to no avail. Same story as last night, no progress whatsoever - however, I did note that with CWM 134, I was able to restore an earlier version of ICS 4.03 (Flexreaper R10 I believe) - but it wasn't easy... I ended up restoring the main image and then using parts and pieces (using Advanced Restore) from other saves to finally even get it to boot.
This clearly wasn't getting me anywhere, so I moved the entire operation to another computer - my main rig (also a Win7 x64 - in fact, I don't own a computer that's not Win7 x64)
Now I've got USB driver issues! I can't even install the standard USB drivers from Acer's website because the installer errors out saying that there's no version of Acer Iconia 3G Driver Install is installed. wtF? That's what I'm TRYING to do!
I did get a different USB driver installed - the USB Driver_Acer_1.06.1500_A30H_A500, but nothing wants to use it and Blackthund3r's APX Flash Util won't see it, AfterOTA won't use it, and it's basically useless anyway. AND I can't install the Acer_1.00.0524_A30H_A31H_A32H_A500_A501 drivers no matter if I've got any others installed or not.
In my device mangler, there is no device with an exclamation, and in fact, sees my Acer Iconia A500 under USB Serial Bus Controllers as "Acer Picasso USB Boot-Recovery Driver", only when it's plugged in. NO other instance shows up at all.
I'm actually at the point of trying to follow through with the EUU (dibb_nz's "last resort"), but vache's website is down and I can't download anything for it. In fact, there's nothing from that guide that has a valid link...
(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1632392)
So now where do I go? I understand IT really well, so you don't need to talk to me like a complete noob, but dang if I can't figure this one out!
If I can get valid links to all the downloads from the link above, I'd be more than happy to give it a go and see if that works, but I can't piece together all those things from random places. If either of you (or anyone else for that matter) has valid links for everything needed to follow the EUU guide, I'd be very grateful!
Any other advice would certainly be appreciated as well! I don't have to use either of these computers, but as mentioned, ALL of my computers have Windows 7 x64 on them. I suppose I could try one of my customer's computers for all this, but that's not morally right and probably something that I would prefer not to explore.
I feel as if I could get the USB drivers installed properly on EITHER machine, that I'd likely be in good shape. I think that's what my problem actually is on the laptop as well, even though they're all installed and shows as installed until I boot into any recovery - then I get the MTP Device Driver Fail. There's likely other Acer driver issues there though, since Blackthund3r's utils don't follow through for anything... everything just hangs. AfterOTA just hangs.
Advice please?
And thanks again for your knowledge!
Psychlone
Yeh I hear u m8, its taken me all nite and day to revert back to HC and then upgrade again....dam pesky Picasso drivers.....
why not do as gears suggested....boot to cwm do all the wipes and formatsand flash an HC rom, ezterrys has a rooted one...no drivers needed . or am I missing something?
D/l link for timmydeans euu in my cpuid thread
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Yeh I hear u m8, its taken me all nite and day to revert back to HC and then upgrade again....dam pesky Picasso drivers.....
why not do as gears suggested....boot to cwm do all the wipes and formatsand flash an HC rom, ezterrys has a rooted one...no drivers needed . or am I missing something?
D/l link for timmydeans euu in my cpuid thread
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Well, I would but no matter what image I put on my SD or even internal SD, and no matter what recovery I use, there's always some type of fail - usually an MD5 fail, or just a fail without any error code at all (little android on his back with the red exclamation, but no code)
I'm clearly missing SOMETHING.
I'm about to try the EUU right now unless there's some other advice...
EDIT::
OK, so I'm really in bad shape here - now the EUU (PBJ20upgrade) comes back with the error:
Please download the newer image for the upgrade.
Current image version: Acer_AV041_A500_1,054.Acer_AV041_A500
New image version: Acer_A500_1.016.05_Com_GEN1
What now????
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Well, I would but no matter what image I put on my SD or even internal SD, and no matter what recovery I use, there's always some type of fail - usually an MD5 fail, or just a fail without any error code at all (little android on his back with the red exclamation, but no code)
I'm clearly missing SOMETHING.
I'm about to try the EUU right now unless there's some other advice...
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oh hell now i'm confused, lol.....the little android dude is the acer stock recovery....i thought you had thors 1.7...oh well, nvm
Hopefully the EUU will install the right drivers for you....just be sure NOT to connect your data cable until u see the "cannot detect yr iconia tab" screen and it will give u instructions on how to get into apx mode...oh just before that window the EUU will try and scan your system image it will take a good 5 mins b4 it pops up the window to go into apx don't panic just let it do its thing....good luck m8!!!!
Oh and this will completely wipe yr system and user data.....
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oh hell now i'm confused, lol.....the little android dude is the acer stock recovery....i thought you had thors 1.7...oh well, nvm
Hopefully the EUU will install the right drivers for you....just be sure NOT to connect your data cable until u see the "cannot detect yr iconia tab" screen and it will give u instructions on how to get into apx mode...oh just before that window the EUU will try and scan your system image it will take a good 5 mins b4 it pops up the window to go into apx don't panic just let it do its thing....good luck m8!!!!
Oh and this will completely wipe yr system and user data.....
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Some of the WEIRDEST stuff I've ever experienced - EVER.
Oh, the little dead android is when I'm using the stock recovery - I get different errors in TWRP and all the CWM Thor's that I've tried...(134, 71 and 712)
OK, so now PBJ20upgrade won't let me advance because apparently my CPUID isn't correct... it's the ICS version that's 13 characters long instead of 15, and my dmesg doesn't even contain the word "androidboot" at all (it does, however, contain a crapload of errors.)
What's going on?
OK, I'm an idiot. I really need help. I'm just glad that I'm 40 and don't lose my cool anymore, otherwise, I'd be freaking out about now.
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Some of the WEIRDEST stuff I've ever experienced - EVER.
Oh, the little dead android is when I'm using the stock recovery - I get different errors in TWRP and all the CWM Thor's that I've tried...(134, 71 and 712)
OK, so now PBJ20upgrade won't let me advance because apparently my CPUID isn't correct... it's the ICS version that's 13 characters long instead of 15, and my dmesg doesn't even contain the word "androidboot" at all (it does, however, contain a crapload of errors.)
What's going on?
OK, I'm an idiot. I really need help. I'm just glad that I'm 40 and don't lose my cool anymore, otherwise, I'd be freaking out about now.
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cpuid = 15/16 chars go to one of yr cwm nandroid backups theres a uid.txt file in the folder all the other methods rely on adb??? if not try usbdeview thats in the thread too
THANK YOU!
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cpuid = 15/16 chars go to one of yr cwm nandroid backups theres a uid.txt file in the folder all the other methods rely on adb??? if not try usbdeview thats in the thread too
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Thanks so much dibb_nz... I've currently got PBJ20upgrade doing *something* (says it's going to take 10 minutes)
Thing is, I didn't get to this point by any conventional means - I followed the destructions several times over but ended up having a newer image than PBJ wanted, or the wrong CPUID.
I finally got this far by unplugging the tablet while PBJ was running, waiting for it's long error and instructions on how to get into APX (which I've clearly done at least a couple dozen times by now) and for some reason when I plugged it in, it shot forward.
We'll see how this goes - I'll keep you posted. I do VERY MUCH appreciate the help. I just might still need it, but hopefully not.
EDIT: Just rebooted and saw a "PASS" on the screen, followed by the "android" loading screen.
EDIT 2: It rebooted all the way in, I signed in (did the entire sign in process) and I'm BACK TO STOCK!!!!
Ok, so thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU for all the help - just being a sounding board is all I need sometimes.
Last questions to get me set up for the future:
What recovery should I create a restore with?
Then after creating a restore, should I use Blackthund3r's utility to flash an unlocked ICS bootloader, and if so, which package should I use to be able to test JB but still be able to go backwards to an ICS (preferably CM9)?
Anything else that I might need to know? (keep in mind that I've read on the order of 30 different threads pertaining to this adventure since it began a couple days ago, but I really appreciate the advice you've given and clearly you know what's up with the A500 - AND, it's hard to disseminate info from all the random threads everywhere. Speaking of which, why is it that there can't be a single thread with most everything that an A500 owner would need? Seriously!!)
Thanks again,
Psychlone
With what I went thru use Civs nvflash and rom and I'd stick with third cement until your safely patched and on ics.do all the wipes and follow instructions to the letter ...I'll check back in shortly
EDIT wtf "third cement" dang auto correct ... should read thors recovery
Wow - what a journey.
I'm now running CM10 and loving it.
I really can't believe the process that I went through over the last couple days - I've rooted and modded two dozen devices in the last year alone, and have been playing with root and modded ROMs since the very beginning, and nothing comes close to what I just did.
I actually have to blame not having everything I need in one place. Mis en place means to have everything you need before you even start - and that used to work back in the day, and still does to an extent for some devices, but anymore, the download links and information are found scattered across many different websites and forums and threads - so much so that it's apparent that this is a product of Google's lack of grip on their hardware and OS.
I do, however, see that you and a couple others have done a KILLER job of getting most everything together in one place to make it easier for those that are searching. I really appreciated your threads that I've read - the way you've written your guides is very intuitive and easy to follow, even if they didn't initially work for me.
Anyway, thanks again. I'm not going backwards now, but if I ever need to for some reason, at least I'm a bit familiar with the "worst-case scenario"!!
Take care man,
Psychlone
excellent news glad it worked for ya
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Thanks so much dibb_nz... I've currently got PBJ20upgrade doing *something* (says it's going to take 10 minutes)
Thing is, I didn't get to this point by any conventional means - I followed the destructions several times over but ended up having a newer image than PBJ wanted, or the wrong CPUID.
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if its referring to newer image then the data cable is connected!
and it will spit this error at you....
I finally got this far by unplugging the tablet while PBJ was running, waiting for it's long error and instructions on how to get into APX (which I've clearly done at least a couple dozen times by now) and for some reason when I plugged it in, it shot forward.
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yup now you're cookin
We'll see how this goes - I'll keep you posted. I do VERY MUCH appreciate the help. I just might still need it, but hopefully not.
EDIT: Just rebooted and saw a "PASS" on the screen, followed by the "android" loading screen.
EDIT 2: It rebooted all the way in, I signed in (did the entire sign in process) and I'm BACK TO STOCK!!!!
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oh yeahhhhh!!!!
Ok, so thank you THANK YOU THANK YOU for all the help - just being a sounding board is all I need sometimes.
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nps glad to be of assistance -
Last questions to get me set up for the future:
What recovery should I create a restore with?
Then after creating a restore, should I use Blackthund3r's utility to flash an unlocked ICS bootloader, and if so, which package should I use to be able to test JB but still be able to go backwards to an ICS (preferably CM9)?
Anything else that I might need to know? (keep in mind that I've read on the order of 30 different threads pertaining to this adventure since it began a couple days ago, but I really appreciate the advice you've given and clearly you know what's up with the A500 - AND, it's hard to disseminate info from all the random threads everywhere. Speaking of which, why is it that there can't be a single thread with most everything that an A500 owner would need? Seriously!!)
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becoz then you'd have thousands of posts to look thru and no-one would bother reading it all....i try to keep my cpuid thread updated with things 'unbricking' but its too hard to put 'everything' in one post unfortunately
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Psychlone said:
Wow - what a journey.
I'm now running CM10 and loving it.
I really can't believe the process that I went through over the last couple days - I've rooted and modded two dozen devices in the last year alone, and have been playing with root and modded ROMs since the very beginning, and nothing comes close to what I just did.
I actually have to blame not having everything I need in one place. Mis en place means to have everything you need before you even start - and that used to work back in the day, and still does to an extent for some devices, but anymore, the download links and information are found scattered across many different websites and forums and threads - so much so that it's apparent that this is a product of Google's lack of grip on their hardware and OS.
I do, however, see that you and a couple others have done a KILLER job of getting most everything together in one place to make it easier for those that are searching. I really appreciated your threads that I've read - the way you've written your guides is very intuitive and easy to follow, even if they didn't initially work for me.
Anyway, thanks again. I'm not going backwards now, but if I ever need to for some reason, at least I'm a bit familiar with the "worst-case scenario"!!
Take care man,
Psychlone
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hell, i havent got round to cm10 yet!! i'm trying to get there but i have too much fun helpin peeps get to grips with flashing BL's...have to really thank the devs they did an awesome job unlocking ICS so everyone can enjoy the custom ICS/JB/CM roms- they've extended the life of our little iconia an extra half year or so if not longer.....imagine if we had to put up with stock 'anything' lol, i'd have traded it in long ago!!
was about to suggest the apxflash bundles as there are alot more options as far as recovery's go but you're all sussed now so thats fantastic....
can u add "SOLVED" to the title in case someone else is looking for help. thanks m8:good:
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excellent news glad it worked for ya
hell, i havent got round to cm10 yet!! i'm trying to get there but i have too much fun helpin peeps get to grips with flashing BL's...have to really thank the devs they did an awesome job unlocking ICS so everyone can enjoy the custom ICS/JB/CM roms- they've extended the life of our little iconia an extra half year or so if not longer.....imagine if we had to put up with stock 'anything' lol, i'd have traded it in long ago!!
was about to suggest the apxflash bundles as there are alot more options as far as recovery's go but you're all sussed now so thats fantastic....
can u add "SOLVED" to the title in case someone else is looking for help. thanks m8:good:
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CM10 is SLICK. Think CM9 on graphics steroids and you're close!
I appreciate your position more than most. I get a lot of enjoyment out of helping others as well - I've written overclocking guides for AMD systems that was written years ago, revised a couple/three years ago and is still used to this day, even though I've long since moved over to Intel's "dark side". I also participate pretty deeply in helping others at a couple PC hardware forums pretty much daily, even though that's my actual job - I own 2 computer repair businesses in my hometown, and with well over 20,000 computers to fix, I'm ALWAYS busy but still always find time to help others in need.
As for adding ***SOLVED*** to the title, I'd love to...but it won't let me. Perhaps it's because I don't have a high enough post count, or because it's reserved for Mods, but I can't do it.
Thanks for everything once again - it's quite refreshing to be on the receiving end!
Psychlone
My colleague brought his stock A500 to me in a bricked condition last week.
I need a way to restore it. If I try to do a wipe it will say bootloader error if i try the recovery the droid falls down with the red sign with the exclamation mark.
This tablet has never been rooted, my colleague is not in to such things, it's lived its life with ordinary acer otas and the occational very young human (5 year old) trial wich it has survived.
He has installed all the OTAs he ever got on the tablet and this is in Sweden so it would probably be a 4.0.3 acer stock on it now.
I'm guessing it has died during a OTA or something. if i turn it on it will sit at the acer logo indefinitly.
I Bricked my A500 during a rooting atempt resulting in me needed to flash a stock rom to get it working again, but i cant find the thread i read to un-brick my A500.
Please Help!
try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1839313
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try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1839313
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Well that thread seems to hold all i need, although i can't do a full wipe. when i do the flipswitch wipe procedure it halts with bootloader error
Im hoping to just be able to flash the stock rom from the link you gave me. Is it entirely necessary to do the wipe prior to flash? can i wipe it afterwards?
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Well that thread seems to hold all i need, although i can't do a full wipe. when i do the flipswitch wipe procedure it halts with bootloader error
Im hoping to just be able to flash the stock rom from the link you gave me. Is it entirely necessary to do the wipe prior to flash? can i wipe it afterwards?
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we're assuming the tab is full stock and currently on ICS...
and we're assuming he never tried to 'fix' his tab by flashing one thing or another...
the bootloader error worries me...what exactly does it say...
Yes the wipes are really important!! and not being able to use the button method to do so is concerning...
what happens with the Over The Air (OTA) updates is its just that...an update...it leaves all your settings/data intact. When you OTA from one build to another, like Gingerbread 3.0 to Honeycomb 3.1/2 and then to ICS 4.0 - you drag all your apps and settings with you and of course some things that work with 3.2 will not work under ICS....fjor instance, lots of folk had trouble with wifi disconnects, once they got to ICS - or they had apps force closing and other 'glitches'. This is why everyone tells you to do the wipes - as this fixes these things! In the case of stock ICS my gmail would f/c all the time no matter how many times I wiped/formatted....So for a smooth running tab - flash a custom rom!!!!!!
But getting back to you...
From that link i gave you...download the 3.1_Full.zip....its decrypted so just extract it and get the "update.zip" from it..
This "update.zip" is not an incremental "update" but the full stock rom....
once installed you'll be on GB you will need to root it with iconia root and then use acer recovery installer to flash cwm....(get these from the playstore)
do a backup or adb devices so you can get your CPUID....this is important...if anything goes wrong at any stage this is the only thing that will get you unbricked....see the cpuid link in my sig for more on this, please take the time to read it, even if it doesnt make much sense to you, read it anyway....
AFTER you have retrieved your cpuid, you can nvflash the patched bootloader/recovery pkg which means you are able to flash ICS/JB custom roms
they cannot be flashed via cwm like normal...you must use nvFlash to do it....
OR
take the OTA route to ICS...this takes a bit of time...I did it last week and it was a good 6-7 hours to go from GB to ICS
there are pre-rooted stock roms if you wanna stay stock see civato's stock rom thread for that here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633907
official stock rom list by blackthund3r are here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1816560
civs guide to flashing the unlocked bootloader here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1622425
I am in a similar situation. Push the power button and it goes to a screen with white acer on black and stays there. Totally stock ICS, no root. I tried the update.zip thing and after automatically rebooting it says "Boot verified failed...". I don't have my cpuid, or have installed previously CWM or anything like that. I can get into APX mode. This guy here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1751978 could only get into APX with no cpuid as well, but i don't understand all of the ubuntuu and command line stuff. I would love for someone to be able to walk a dummy like me through this mess. Thanks for any help.
if u got boot verified fail error you need nvFlash to repair that....as u know, with nvflash you need yr cpuid....wot about usbdeview? if you've never plugged yr tab into yr PC - then it won't work and the ONLY other way is Linux....
might be best to start yr own thread with a descriptive title, not just a help I'm bricked no uid, thread there are hundreds of those....the more effort u put into the title the more likely you will attract the attention of someone who can actually help...and remember you just don't need a bit of help but a blow by blow description of what to do and how....this will be very time consuming....at the very least get ubuntu installed, maybe just try a few things, anything to show you are capable of at least giving it a go yourself..
there are others who would like 2 know how to do this as well...having a specific thread of its own would be great
good luck
dibb
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
Actually, I have connected it to my PC before. Only for transferring media though. If I've done that, is the some way to retrieve my cpuid from the PC?
yup...usbdeview.zip see the bottom of the OP in the cpuid guide in my sig
Thanks alot for your help. I used usbdeview and got my cpuid. Now I should use nvflash? Know where a good step by step is for that one?
you could try the one in my sig??
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you could try the one in my sig??
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Right. Sorry, I didn't notice that before. Thanks again for your direction.
"To install one of these roms you will need a custom recovery and to get that you must flash the patched bootloader FIRSt - once its patched you can install a recovery any old way you like"
Looking at that guide, would you please tell me what a custom recovery is and how to get one? Btw, I don't plan to do a custom ROM yet, I just want to get the damn thing working first. Was thinking of using the HC EUUs from the firmware files list. However there are two files, a .rar and a .exe listed. Which do i use?
NvigR8 said:
Right. Sorry, I didn't notice that before. Thanks again for your direction.
"To install one of these roms you will need a custom recovery and to get that you must flash the patched bootloader FIRSt - once its patched you can install a recovery any old way you like"
Looking at that guide, would you please tell me what a custom recovery is and how to get one? Btw, I don't plan to do a custom ROM yet, I just want to get the damn thing working first. Was thinking of using the HC EUUs from the firmware files list. However there are two files, a .rar and a .exe listed. Which do i use?
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The .rar EUU is for an A500, the .exe is for the A501, which do you have?
I've got the a500. However, I decided to go with a custom ICS rom after all. I managed to put a new bootloader and custom recovery on using the a500apx flash tool. That part went fine. I flashed this rom:
Acer_AV041_A500_1.054.00_WW_GEN1-FULL-ROOT (original odex)
and that appeared to go well according to twrp, but after rebooting, it just shows the bootloader again and stops there. Not sure what i did wrong.
I renamed the rom update.zip. Should i not have done that?
well congrats for getting thru the flash process with no probs!!!
as far as renaming to update.zip that was not such a good move...hopefully things havent been screwed up too much
just go back into recovery and do a FULL wipe/format
then to flash use the option "install from zip file" not sure where that is in TWRP but it will have one
Okay. I will reflash the rom after completely wiping again. Thanks.
On a different note, why do roms require particular bootloaders?
Also different, how do you like your SGS3? If i can manage to fix this thing, perhaps I'll root my phone...
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Okay. I will reflash the rom after completely wiping again. Thanks.
On a different note, why do roms require particular bootloaders?
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The stock ICS BL is encrypted - more or less - the only way to 'flash' a recovery or rom is to have the "key" that "unlocks" - it more or less - if you dont use the right key then the OS will not boot - the 'key' is based on your cpuid which is why everyone is forever telling you to save it somewhere safe....
Also different, how do you like your SGS3? If i can manage to fix this thing, perhaps I'll root my phone...
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I enjoy the big screen, took awhile to get used to it in my hand, kept dropping it....then I ran it over with my 44tonne truck after 3 days and munted it!!!!
I have a case for it now, and its gr8 - I havent installed a rom on it yet...the forums over there are jampacked and I have no idea what I'm doing, lol - its the first android device I've had that I've left stock for so long...but it does what I want...the camera is awesome -burst mode is the bomb - BUT do I think it was worth the money???? Still on the fence about that one.....
Ouch. Sorry to read about running over your phone. That would kill me. I really like my SGS3. I think I'll look into rooting it just to be able to back it up and get rid of the bloatware. I did that on my Captivate and prior to today, thats all I've ever done modding wise to an android device.
So, I managed to get my tab up and running again. Yay! I reflashed the rom w/out changing the name and worked like a charm. Now If only I knew why this happened in the first place... Thanks for all your help.
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Ouch. Sorry to read about running over your phone. That would kill me. I really like my SGS3. I think I'll look into rooting it just to be able to back it up and get rid of the bloatware. I did that on my Captivate and prior to today, thats all I've ever done modding wise to an android device.
So, I managed to get my tab up and running again. Yay! I reflashed the rom w/out changing the name and worked like a charm. Now If only I knew why this happened in the first place... Thanks for all your help.
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yeh sometimes happens with the tab for some reason - thank your lucky stars it didn't get stuck in apx mode...if that happens its normally a hardware fault so theres not alot u can do...I'm just pleased you got sorted without too much drama and it was as easy as reflashing the zip....so now you have the v8 BL - you're gold!!!
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we're assuming the tab is full stock and currently on ICS...
and we're assuming he never tried to 'fix' his tab by flashing one thing or another...
the bootloader error worries me...what exactly does it say...
Yes the wipes are really important!! and not being able to use the button method to do so is concerning...
what happens with the Over The Air (OTA) updates is its just that...an update...it leaves all your settings/data intact. When you OTA from one build to another, like Gingerbread 3.0 to Honeycomb 3.1/2 and then to ICS 4.0 - you drag all your apps and settings with you and of course some things that work with 3.2 will not work under ICS....fjor instance, lots of folk had trouble with wifi disconnects, once they got to ICS - or they had apps force closing and other 'glitches'. This is why everyone tells you to do the wipes - as this fixes these things! In the case of stock ICS my gmail would f/c all the time no matter how many times I wiped/formatted....So for a smooth running tab - flash a custom rom!!!!!!
But getting back to you...
From that link i gave you...download the 3.1_Full.zip....its decrypted so just extract it and get the "update.zip" from it..
This "update.zip" is not an incremental "update" but the full stock rom....
once installed you'll be on GB you will need to root it with iconia root and then use acer recovery installer to flash cwm....(get these from the playstore)
do a backup or adb devices so you can get your CPUID....this is important...if anything goes wrong at any stage this is the only thing that will get you unbricked....see the cpuid link in my sig for more on this, please take the time to read it, even if it doesnt make much sense to you, read it anyway....
AFTER you have retrieved your cpuid, you can nvflash the patched bootloader/recovery pkg which means you are able to flash ICS/JB custom roms
they cannot be flashed via cwm like normal...you must use nvFlash to do it....
OR
take the OTA route to ICS...this takes a bit of time...I did it last week and it was a good 6-7 hours to go from GB to ICS
there are pre-rooted stock roms if you wanna stay stock see civato's stock rom thread for that here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633907
official stock rom list by blackthund3r are here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1816560
civs guide to flashing the unlocked bootloader here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1622425
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When i do the wipe it says
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Erasing userdata...
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Unrecoverable bootloader error (0x19000008)
Unrecoverable bootloader error (0x19000008)
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When i do the wipe it says
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Erasing userdata...
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I googled your error - the consensus from what I read is a corrupt OS due to running OTA updates...
Some had luck with rebooting. Others had to send it to Acer.
Did you run the update.zip? so what happens when you run the update.zip
Are you able to get into "apx mode"? If you can, hook up to your PC and see if your tab is recognised as an "apx device" - check "Hardware, Printers in win7"
Thats all I can suggest atm - if your tab does get into apx mode OK then you can find your cpuid by running Linux -
Maybe ask the guy if he's ever had the tab hooked up to his PC like to transfer files and stuff - get him to download "USBdeview" to his PC -
this will show every single device thats ever been connected to the PC and it will show the "cpuid"...
Even if we do get the uid theres no guarantee it will fix the bootloader error - but we may as well explore all the options we can....
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USBDeview will only work when you have previously plugged your tab into the PC WHILE you were running HC Rom and BL
1. If you haven't plugged your tab into this pc before, do so now, before you run the program. HC ROM/BL ONLY
1a. Run the exe and you will be presented with a window of all the USB devices you have ever plugged into your computer.
2. Click on "VendorID" column along the top to sort them
3. Look for the number "0502" under Vendor ID AND "3325" Product ID
4. In the serial number column will be a 15-digit number this is your device ID.
5. Write the number down and put a 0 in front of it and now you have your CPU ID!!!
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Greetings community,
I know it's going to be a stupid question, but I gotta ask since I apparently seem to have failed in searching for a clear, straight forward answer.
I have a trusty A500 for almost 15 months now, but since the day I bought it, i've refrained from updating it, so it's still on 3.0.1.
But since ICS came out for it a while ago, i've been procrastinating to update it (much like my other android devices which i'm just updating now) until I guess now since HC is fairly incompatible with some of the newer stuff (although the current apps that do work still work reasonably well).
My questions are:
- Concerning the bootloader. I've looked at the posts in the development section and it seems that I will need to downgrade back to HC if I used the OTA update but that's where my understanding of it ends. Since I do still have the original 3.0.1 rom it came with, do I have anything I need to do to the HC bootloader before I begin the process of flashing a new rom to it? Asking this because I don't want to assume something I haven't been really paying attention to but from what i've seen, it doesn't appear I need to do anything to it.
- I see mentions of cpu id, not sure if it's applicable to me, but should ask
- I see my device in adb, but I dunno if I have fastboot, any easy way to confirm?
I used Iconia Root installed and it rooted my tablet ages ago, I also have Acer Recovery Installer on it as well but have not used it to install a new recovery onto it.
The following is my assumption of what I have done and need to do next, but please do correct me if i'm wrong in the steps:
Done:
- Root
- Download Acer Recovery Installer
To be Done:
- Choose a recovery to install
- Find new rom
- Flash new rom in recovery
- ???
- Profit!
With respect, I thank those who are willing to help me.
I really don't think you want to go that route.
What I would do, is install the Acer Update Enhancement tool after you've taken an OTA to 3.2. Then, you'll be able to OTA to ICS (in theory anyhow).
The reason you don't want to mess with Acer recovery installer, is that after ICS, you'll need to install a newer version CWM.
What I would do right now, before migrating to ICS, is get your current UID number. You can search for USB Deview,. or look in the UID sticky in the Dev forum. Get your current UID number, and write it down somewhere safe. Remember, after migrating to ICS, you'll need to get the new UID number, as it changes. Keep both.
The UID is used to get the SBK (secured bootloader key) so we can use NVFlash to flash the new ICS unlocked bootloader.
MD
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I really don't think you want to go that route.
What I would do, is install the Acer Update Enhancement tool after you've taken an OTA to 3.2. Then, you'll be able to OTA to ICS (in theory anyhow).
The reason you don't want to mess with Acer recovery installer, is that after ICS, you'll need to install a newer version CWM.
What I would do right now, before migrating to ICS, is get your current UID number. You can search for USB Deview,. or look in the UID sticky in the Dev forum. Get your current UID number, and write it down somewhere safe. Remember, after migrating to ICS, you'll need to get the new UID number, as it changes. Keep both.
The UID is used to get the SBK (secured bootloader key) so we can use NVFlash to flash the new ICS unlocked bootloader.
MD
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Hey MD,
Thanks for the reply.
Edited: Okay, I had some time so I looked at the multiple posts that are around, especially all the source threads for the main guide to the UNL-BL. From my understanding of all the posts so far, it doesn't seem that I need to update my HC from 3.0.1 to 3.2. I do need the SBK from the CPU ID. Most of the posts i've read seem to just say that after getting into the APX and through the steps, it seems during this process it installs CWM and after all this is done, i'm to check the device to make sure it boots before I install a new rom to it. I'm assuming this is the whole bootloader unlocking process and there isn't a separate file that I need to install during this.
If you (or anyone) could clarify anything I may have misinterpreted from reading so many different things, that'd be great.