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Get a Universal NOW or wait ?

Hello people. I hope you can help me here!
I'm from the UK. I've been looking for a PDA/phone for AAGES. The closest 'ideal' is the HTC Universal, or more specifically, the O2 XDA Exec.
I require VGA, WiFi, Fast CPU, headphone jack, Bluetooth, GSM/UTMS, WM5.0, SD/mini, etc. Basically, everything that the Universal has. I intend to use it as a phone, web browser, audio/video player and games.
HOWEVER, the thing thats stopping me buying is... well, two things. Firstly, its the SIZE. I've held it and tried it in my jeans pocket. My friends look at me weird. It's massive.
Secondly - its been out for a while now. I'm worried something new is around the corner. The closest match i can see is the HERMES. However, lacks the 640x480, headphone jack and has micro SD.
I would definitely appreciate some help in this sticky situation.
Regards.
Kev.

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Man, I wish...
No seriously. If you want VGA, options are virtually nonexistent I think.
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Get it now.
Reason: While the successor to the current Universal will offer true VGA and much more (also probably running WM6.0), it could be as much as a year's wait. It still offers more than current and foreseeable future options in many aspects.
I don't think that this Willcom es is going to be anything great, the specs did not boast anything to make my jaw drop.

Hiya!
when it comes to electronics, theres ALWAYS something around the corner!
While we all like to have the latest gizmo's and gadgets, I prefer to buy my items after the initial furore dies down. The last Xbox 360, forthcoming PS3, the PSP, various PDA's, PCs, LCD tellys etc etc have new designs and features every few months. If you waited for the next best thing you'd never buy anything at all !!
The universal is quite large, however, I 'usually' find it's users who are stepping up a little from having normal mobile phones and testing out PDA's who say this.
Because were' all so used to having much smaller phones, carrying and seeing the exec makes it look like a brick!
The Xda Mini S (and it's other names) is a good alternative for people like this - the Exec seems to be for more experienced and/or power users mainly.
Just so happens I have a brand new '4 week old' Exec for sale!!!
Cheers! Dennis! West London UK!!

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Man, I wish...
No seriously. If you want VGA, options are virtually nonexistent I think.
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Yeah they things look freakin awesome, I would get one if it wasn't for the lack of WiFi- I mean like why have a QWERTY keyboard and VGA screen if you can't go online with WiFi?

What are the names of the known devices that are to come out in the next year or so with similar or greater specs than the Exec/M5000?
I basically want to know what I can look forward to....

No one knows about a VGA replacement.
Surur

get it.
i'm still somehwat new to all this and got alot of advice before diving in and buying mine. i pretty much live by it now. really, the size factor is more a current perception of what is too big. i don't even notice mine anymore. it may seem an eye sore at first, but large screen it well worth it - like a little tv. really not all that big. i see people with nintendo sidekicks and such which is just as big. keyboard though no laptop, can really get you buy for majority of mobile computing. nothing overall had as many features either. it does everythign i need.....and i got my off ebay for around $600.

The prices of second-hand HTC Universal are falling now, so have a look on ebay (I got my refurbished unit for 240 pounds!). Then it should last till whenever the next VGA replacement comes out.

Yeah, you can now get a secondhand Universal from a relatively well-known chain for £300 with a 12 month guarantee if you're in the UK (which I prefer to do, rather than risking the whole ebay thing).
If you're lucky it'll be in mint condition, but in any case it won't be too battered and you have peace of mind for a year. That's how I've replaced my lost JasJar with a nearly-new Exec, anyway.
Back to the original post, I seriously considered waiting for the FS T830, despite it's puny screen but decided against it mainly 'cause I'd rather be stuck in the middle of nowhere watching movies on my VGA screen, than using GPS to find my destination with a 240 x 240 pixel eye-strainer.
Nothing else really on the horizon. The Hermes looks nice, but it'll be practically the same price as the Universal, and of the two I'd rather have the Uni. Of course, next summer there'll be all sorts of competition, but who wants to wait 12 months....?

sub69 said:
Back to the original post, I seriously considered waiting for the FS T830, despite it's puny screen but decided against it mainly 'cause I'd rather be stuck in the middle of nowhere watching movies on my VGA screen, than using GPS to find my destination with a 240 x 240 pixel eye-strainer.
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LOL agree. But then wouldn't watching "Lost" make you feel nervous?
The T830 looks rather thick too. But hey, that's what everyone says about the Universal.
And what shops sell second-hand gadgets? I know you can sometimes get refurbished items from shops like PC World (who don't sell phones, I believe) but they are rare and are often battered.

What are you plans for your G1 in the future?

What do you intend to do with your G1 after a year or two or after your contract has expired? I plan on keeping mine, and using as a just-for-fun device, or I might give it to my kids in 10 years as an antique phone that they can complain about having to use while all the other kids are using virtual headsets. I'm just curious haha

I'll probably keep using it until some freaking beast phone comes out.

Hang onto it. Backup phones can come in handy, for obvious reasons. Also, if my next handset is very securely locked out of root, I might want to have my Dream on hand for platform hacking.

I'll use mine for dyno, tuning my ecu through the phone, and controling my tv, lights, garage door, girlfriend, all through my phone.. Dreaming of course, but hey, it's called a "dream" right?

The only way I'll give up my G1 is if there is another Android phone that is super sweet looking with a hard keyboard too. Then, and only then, will I consider giving up the G1.
Oh, and no Samsung or Nokia or any other brand. Only HTC.

I've already found myself trying to keep my phone in its best physical condition so much that I am starting to not enjoy using the phone, bit of OCD on my side. Anyway, I installed a ShieldSkin around a month ago, and today I dropped my phone, and it happened to land on a pebble right on the edge of the phone in the small tiny area where the shield skin happened to not cover... so much for my 9 dollar investment, and now I got a dent in my phone that I keep staring at every single time I pick up the phone.

I'll sell mine and get some other Android phone.
Or maybe not
Currently I use Haykuro's 5.0G and I can't be happier with my device. Well, I could, if all the apps were working correctly

I will never give my G1 up as soon as HTC release another Android phone with more hardware change than and hard keyboard I will get it. But I'll keep my G1 as the first Android Phone ever!!!.
And right now I'm using Hakuro 5.1H and it's amazing stable everything works great I have fall in love with my phone more deeply.
Ps. My wife just red this post I left and she said OMG HOW [email protected]

i plan on getting a new phone before my two year expires, never had a phone that lasted more than a year so we'll see. every month it seems a new better phone comes out and unless they get rid of every phone with a hardware keyboard there is always an upgrade for me to buy.

im currently back in love with the g1 because of haykuros 5.0.1 rom
this is what keeps me on this phone right now
im hoping that by the time the huwaei phone comes out or the htc magic for the us comes out ill grab one of those just to check it out and if i dont like it ill still to the g1 until a better android phone comes out. the g1 is best of both worlds really. its got a hard keyboard and now it has a soft keyboard. people look at asthetics of a phone waaay to much now. its all about thin and sexy instead of comfortable and powerful. compared to the iphone i think the browser is the only good thing about the iphone now. eventually thatll have google as the reigning king. i think android has pretty much raped the iphone software wise and soon enough itll rape is style wise. the iphone style will never change and as u can see the android style will always be different. so even if were all using android each of our phones will be unique in maybe 3 or 4 years.
fingers are tired lol

Keeping it for sure unless another Android phone comes out with an actual keyboard.

this phone will be a collectors item lol, just wait and see
the first phone started by the open handset alliance? let alone ive got a white one and a black one, i just need a bronze one now, i have a couple very minor scratches on the bottom of my phone, ill have tmobile replace it just before i put it up and get a new phone, im liking the android phone that is slim like the iphone that i saw floating around online that should come out at the end of this year, that will probably replace my g1, but im definately keeping it, im also keeping copies of all the jf builds and the magic port builds as well, and every app that gets removed from the market im trying to get my hands on the apk for it lol, who knows right? ive seen old ass nokia phones holding there resale value because of there uniqueness, hopefully the g1 will too
with the ability ive seen in the devs and the porting of roms, i dont think this phone will become outdated as fast as my other phones have in the passed, in short, i think the hardware will become outdated MUCH sooner than the software

wootroot said:
the first phone started by the open handset alliance
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That... is actually a very good point...

SolemnWishing said:
That... is actually a very good point...
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nooo disagree with me, i want to have the only 1 of each color left working in a few years from now when jf is president of america

Haha I was thinking about also going out and buying a copy of Windows Vista and put it in a time capsule and 100 years from now when people open it they can laugh at how stupid we used to be.

SolemnWishing said:
Haha I was thinking about also going out and buying a copy of Windows Vista and put it in a time capsule and 100 years from now when people open it they can laugh at how stupid we used to be.
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oh that is epic, i think that just earned a spot in my sig... wait a moment... yep, it did

aw, sweet! haha

SolemnWishing said:
aw, sweet! haha
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so pay up....
this ad space isnt free man, thats prime placement in my sig, thats atleast worth 50 bucks

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Here you go!
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...thats low man, even for you...
not cool... not cool...

Does anyone have T-Mobile Shadow now?

Write here please

I have one, but I'm not using it currently. I just keep it for a backup phone.

Can you help me? I need to know its user agent.

I have one and probably 2 more other people that still use it !

tuppaacc
The same question to you (post #3)

Have one, use it as my primary phone, running WM6.5.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4302275&postcount=5

my only phone!

Hot in China because of the low price now
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yeah me too. primary device. running 6.1 cause 6.5 didn't float my boat. I like it buuttt the processor is horid. I mean for the price, awesome. But when 15 year old's show off thier IPhones to me....it's a little depressing. If I didn't have a heart, I'd grab it and run into the darkness like a sneeze to a tissue.

Until a few days ago it was my daily phone. Now that I have my new phone ,which uses an all touch screen, I kind of miss the Shadow. I guess I can alternate. LOL
Heard the Shadow II's were trash in comparison the original. Best part of the phone was that there was so many resources for it and the ROMS
Too bad I finally got a ROM working on it until after I got my new phone. Sigh.

ive got a shadow but im running 6.0 i want to update to 6.5 but not entirely sure how to go about that

I am a Chinese, and my phone because of Brush will not turn on, and a request for a T
Fat-mail to me thank you [email protected]

Tmobile Shadow and read and input Chinese
Hi,
I am new here.
I am trying to find out how to read and input Chinese for my Tmobile shadow..?
Thanks

I still have my Shadow....as a backup. I loved my Shadow. I believe I got my money's worth of use out of it. In fact, I found that I was running out of features to use on that thing. I switched over to the Touch Pro 2 when it came out (Aug 28 2009) to take advantage of the TMO 3G network, keyboard, and touchscreen. I've never got fully taken with the Touch Pro 2. It's a good phone, but just doesn't seem to scream "pick me up!". I now use a HTC HD2 since it came out on TMO (MAR 24 2010). It's darn good. The capacitive screen is awesome, but I still find myself missing the stylus from time to time. It's so difficult to select a tiny button with a finger! The processor speed is blazing fast. This is what all WinMo phones need for their processor. The 1 Ghz snapdragon processor lets me use the phone fast, like it's meant to be. It don't even have to remind myself anymore that it's basically a mobile computer.
But still, the T-Mobile Shadow is a great phone. I still pull it out from time to time to admire it's beauty. The Neo UI is VERY functional. I would say it's the precursor of TouchFlo 3D and Sense UI. It packs so much handy info with a great use of screen estate. Not to mention, the hardware looks beautiful! When I pull out this phone, people still ask me about it. The keyboard allows me to type amazingly fast! I remember my texts would just pound out because of how fast I could type on that 20 key keyboard. Last, but not the least, the navigational dpad/wheel. The phone has a pretty cool look to it. That circle looks techy at night. I used to browse the web a lot with the phone on Opera Mini. I loved navigating pages (going up/down) using the wheel. Why this dpad style isn't used more often, I'm not sure. That wheel was probably meant for the Neo UI. I never really used it for that. It just took too many wheel flicks to get Neo to go right or left in the pane. But, I absolutely loved the wheel in Opera Mini (just reiterating).
So what's my rating?
Sure, the T-Mobile Shadow is a bit slow sometimes. But it's fine piece of Windows Mobile equipment. It's probably one of the least appreciated Windows Mobile devices to ever reach mass-market. For all that has the phone now, be sure to visit All-Shadow.com
That website is the dedicated place to find ROMS, hacks, mods, etc. How many phone models have a dedicated website with that much useful info packed? Probably not many.
As for GPS, I used Google Maps with a small external GPS receiver that I carried with me. It worked great, and costed me only $20. It's super easy to set up, and the Shadow is plenty fast at getting GPS positions.
There isn't much thats missing from the Shadow for a mid-range smartphone user. It's simple, fun, and could be loved plenty. It just takes a little work to see what you want. Make it yours.
I never liked the Shadow 2. BIG Disappointment. It reeks of cheap plastic. The only thing I really liked about the Shadow 2 is the UMA calling. In fact, I might get a Shadow 2 for that feature. The slight bump in speed (processor/ram) just doesn't seem to be worth the difference between Shadow 1 and 2. I like the accelerometer on the Shadow 2. I haven't used it extensively, but how useful could that be except for pictures? I don't see much other use. Get the original Shadow folks! You'll be surprised at how good it looks.

still have it!!! best phone ever!!!

still have my shadow for a back up had some fun with it for some time #1 site allshadow

me favorite phone.

It was my first "smart" phone and I absolutely loved it. Sold it for an iPhone, hated it. Sold the iPhone for a G1, and though I love it, I still miss the Shadow. I got it back recently from my friend, unfortunately it's semi-bricked, and I need to get it fixed. I felt so happy holding it again, lol. It is probably the best phone I've ever used, apart from the slow hardware. My absolute favorite keyboard.

still have mine... went back to 2007 6.5 from shadow II

What if you could trade your Touch HD to any phone in the world...

What if you could trade your Touch HD to any phone in the world, no mather the price or release date!! Which phone would it be??
For me- Im currently looking at Toshiba TG03 or Toshiba K02 or NOKIA N900 !!!
And Im looking at selling my Touch HD for about 400-440 dollars , is that a good price, or should I ask more(phone is in good condition, screen has always had a screen protector, has a dent in uper right corner of phone(fell from a meter high), and VOL UP button doesnt work properly(plastic falling of)), a custom rom installed from xda-devs much faster than original!

i would trade it for a LEO
besides that, nothing else. i love my HD, used as a "personal digital assistant", not a gameboy
what do u want to have in your pocket?

I could only comtemplate this, but would need to test each phone before I would actually make a decision. Most likely be the HD2 (Leo) as you have XDA right beside you for mods, roms, radio etc etc etc
The Toshiba TG03, Toshiba K02 & NOKIA N900 all look great, but without XDA, their just isn't a comparison to be made

ibsa03 said:
i would trade it for a LEO
besides that, nothing else. i love my HD, used as a "personal digital assistant", not a gameboy
what do u want to have in your pocket?
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I was also looking at a Leo - but dont you think that Winmo deserves something more powerfull?? and Im getting really bored of Windows mobile as OS!!! I want to have in my pocket a Multimedia Player with Wifi, Calling and SMS capabilitirs!!
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I could only comtemplate this, but would need to test each phone before I would actually make a decision. Most likely be the HD2 (Leo) as you have XDA right beside you for mods, roms, radio etc etc etc
The Toshiba TG03, Toshiba K02 & NOKIA N900 all look great, but without XDA, their just isn't a comparison to be made
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I agree on that no xda support for both Toshibas, But Nokia just aint that full of bugs, and they give out firmware updates which fix problems! + n900 is running Maemo 5 (something interesting ) !!! by the way -- is it true that N900 can only be used with both hands?? (no portrait mode)

Iphone 3GS 32GB, then sell it for 600€ and buy a E75 for 200€.

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Iphone 3GS 32GB, then sell it for 600€ and buy a E75 for 200€.
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Nice Idea!!
currently Im thinking to sell my HD for about 400-500USD and buy a Nokia E63 (about 260USD)

Hands down, I would go for one of these......no question, no competition!
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I'm looking at a "Leo" at the moment as my HD has a few problems..., though there seems to be a few issues with it at the moment, alot just seem to be firmware related and could be fixed with an official update from HTC, though there seems to be problems with the camera...??, hmm.... not sure, for me the wvga screen format is where it should be at !!, and that processor seems like it's more than capable, as well as a decent amount of RAM, there just needs to be more developers get behind WM, to combat the Iphone....., It's more about net surfing organizers calenders/ alarms.....etc for me, but it would be nice to have some sweet looking games similar to the Iphones, other than that I'm going to have to say the Iphone 3GS, only because of the OS, the phone is clearly not as good as some of HTC's finest...eg. HD2 (LEO), but the wealth of applications available is staggering, but...., no true multitasking..., still no decent camera, and I'm hearing people complain about call quality...?, and having to sync everything back to Itunes is going to **** me off !! ??.....I'm traditionally a PC guy, but am buying a Macbook pro early 2010 some time, specifically for using a music program "Logic", so I'm going to have to get used to the whole Itunes thing, and I spose it may sync a lil better, (though I've seen software available that will sync a WM device with apples OS with ease), So......, I spose if everything is rocksolid with the LEO, then the LEO.....Hmmm, other than that....IPhone 3GS, I can see people getting all worked up at the mere suggestion of an Iphone, but as far as the OS goes I think it's alot smoother, and they seem more established, lets hope the next cple of years see microsoft get right in there as well !!

For me it would the the HD2/Leo but with a Resistive screen so I can use my finger when I want and use a stylus when I want.

Moandal said:
For me it would the the HD2/Leo but with a Resistive screen so I can use my finger when I want and use a stylus when I want.
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yes, still so many of my favorite programs require stylus, sometimes I just prefer to use it !!

I just got my HD, so it's not fair question...
But I guess it would be Diamond 2 one day... I don't like resistive screen... So no Leo for me...

Bodisson said:
I just got my HD, so it's not fair question...
But I guess it would be Diamond 2 one day... I don't like resistive screen... So no Leo for me...
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You mean you dont like capacitive screen (leo has capacitive) all other HTC WM phones have resistive
I sold My HD yesterday at midnight for about 500USD (converted from LVL) Hd is still with me, cause I will install it n stuff n give it away at weekend!

well i just got my HD..and i love it (and it costs me much of my precious time )
maybe i would trade it for a Motorola Milestone (Droid)..i hope it didn't hear that ^^

[DISCUSS] Post when you get your Xperia Play (Inc Pictures)

I have just received mine thought I'd share some pictures and can take some more that people ask for, in exchange for a thanks click. In the mean time please look at my pictures below.
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Technically got it last night, but it was in the hotel and I was at the launch party been setting it up on the train home. Feels so much more responsive than my x10!
Launch party was a blast, didn't get in till 3am, met a few people, liked the decorations!
Sent from my R800i using Tapatalk

i think your pictures are too small mate.
i recieved mine today also about 1pm. does anyone know how i can add games to the games list that pops up when you open the slider? i've installed gun bros and asphalt but they dont come up in that games list i have to access them via normal menu.

Damn i wish i had mine in already. I wasnt able to pre-order as i have to pay 100euro when i extend with my current provider. I hate being broke.

Got mine at lunch time

just got mine a few hours ago.... my first android phone, i've always been a windows man. So this is quite alot to take in.... my first impression is that android is ****... but everyone has told me that it will grow on me.

I'm a windows man to, tried linux, tried mac, stayed on windows for pc. Always preferred WM6.5 over iOS and blackberry OS (also over palm for pda).
But I am giving android a shot with this one, really need the games and I don't think I'd like windows phone 7. The reason I preferred WM6.5 was it opennes and at the time all the avaible apps you could downlaod everywhere and easely install.
I hope a rooted android will give me the same. But I'm sure the emu's will make up for it plenty if it doesn't
And to stay on topic, I'm getting mine monday!

could one of you guys do me a huge favor and post your build.prop file from /system?? I am developing for this phone and would really appreciate someone doing this for me thanks.

Three promised me it would come on Tuesday, in spite of the delay. Will be my first android phone, so not sure what to expect. I'll be praying to the postman gods it comes though!

No pics, but got mine today from CPW on T-Mobile, and should enjoy it when I prise it out of my kids' hands!!

Mine is sitting in my local ups depot but they sent it express saver so no delivery till Monday. I ordered it as an offline/ wifi only device as I'm very happy with my phone and service. But this is the only decent android powered gaming handheld.
We will not speak of odroid

Your all missing out lol its brilliant. FPse works a dream.
Sent from my R800i using XDA App

Got mine Friday, not been able to take my hands off it since.

neptune said:
just got mine a few hours ago.... my first android phone, i've always been a windows man. So this is quite alot to take in.... my first impression is that android is ****... but everyone has told me that it will grow on me.
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I'm a windows man to, tried linux, tried mac, stayed on windows for pc. Always preferred WM6.5 over iOS and blackberry OS (also over palm for pda).
But I am giving android a shot with this one, really need the games and I don't think I'd like windows phone 7. The reason I preferred WM6.5 was it opennes and at the time all the avaible apps you could downlaod everywhere and easely install.
I hope a rooted android will give me the same. But I'm sure the emu's will make up for it plenty if it doesn't
And to stay on topic, I'm getting mine monday!
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I am a Windows Phone 7 fan girl...NOT windows mobile.
I love my hd7 and i love xbox live integration
However i will be getting this phone when it comes to the US on Verizon.
Android by itself is rather...dull to me and just feels half baked(great hardware but the software just seems one step behind)
and I have owned plenty of android phones.
Currently own a mytouch 4g and HD7(my main phone) and I am hoping the xperia play will make me fall in love with android all over again
I do recommend that if you guys dont enjoy your plays to either trade or return and try a windows phone 7 device.
GREAT DEVICE and I am so jealous of those of you who already had it.
LOL i can't wait to move to Europe lol

whats so great about wp7?

Got mine. Android a bit strange coming from htc tp2... took about 20 mins to work out how to sync exchange contacts.
Seems pretty cool so far though (also got a liveview thingy for free - will leave that for another day)

chonkey said:
Got mine. Android a bit strange coming from htc tp2... took about 20 mins to work out how to sync exchange contacts.
Seems pretty cool so far though (also got a liveview thingy for free - will leave that for another day) but I'm trying to dl asphalt 6 and it fails each time the big dl starts. Anyway to force dl to sd card?
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Keep on trying to download Asphalt 6 as it will resume from where the data connection breaks & make sure you do it from WIFI (which your probably doing already!).

Techdread said:
Keep on trying to download Asphalt 6 as it will resume from where the data connection breaks & make sure you do it from WIFI (which your probably doing already!).
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DL'd it now... It's not Gran Turismo but it'll do for a bit.
I was concerned it was trying to dl to main memory but having read a bit more the app is set up to install on the SD card.
Now to get doubletwist on the go...

chonkey said:
DL'd it now... It's not Gran Turismo but it'll do for a bit.
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You do know that if you use the Emulator FPSE which is on the Android Market you can play Gran Turismo . It also runs at a silky smooth 60+ FPS .

Death to Three UK. They promised, PROMISED me 5th of April, got a text yesterday saying I was going to have to wait until the 13th! Suffice to say I was not a happy man and they got a rather annoyed phone call. This had better be worth the wait and money. £20 p/m is quite a lot for me!
On a side note:
carmeng4evr said:
LOL i can't wait to move to Europe lol
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Don't go to Europe, come to Britain. It may be broken, but its still better than EU