So the 16GB has total space 11.94 and the 32GB has 26.11 when you look in storage on both devices. Shouldnt total
space be 16gb and 32gb. Im not talking about available ...I understand the operating system takes up storage...but total space is missleading as far as im concerned..and for anyone on the fence as to which size to get...forget about the 16gb if you plan on doing any kind of gaming.
I downloaded N.O.V.A 3 which by the way looks awesome and plays awesome on this device...but it takes up 2.8 gigs of physical space, large files. So I thought the 16gb would suffice...but after putting on about 14 games..the 16gb has 4.3 gb available ...no movies, no music, nothing else.
you will eat up the 16gb super fast..i know theres the cloud but im not using that....but can someone tell me why these tablets dont report the correct total space? anyone else annoyed about this...I had to go crazy looking for the 32gb as you know staples is playing games...wasnt available in stores and still isnt...you can order it now.
The operating system and system apps takes up space?
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So the 16GB has total space 11.94 and the 32GB has 26.11 when you look in storage on both devices. Shouldnt total
space be 16gb and 32gb. Im not talking about available ...I understand the operating system takes up storage...but total space is missleading as far as im concerned..and for anyone on the fence as to which size to get...forget about the 16gb if you plan on doing any kind of gaming.
I downloaded N.O.V.A 3 which by the way looks awesome and plays awesome on this device...but it takes up 2.8 gigs of physical space, large files. So I thought the 16gb would suffice...but after putting on about 14 games..the 16gb has 4.3 gb available ...no movies, no music, nothing else.
you will eat up the 16gb super fast..i know theres the cloud but im not using that....but can someone tell me why these tablets dont report the correct total space? anyone else annoyed about this...I had to go crazy looking for the 32gb as you know staples is playing games...wasnt available in stores and still isnt...you can order it now.
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You can get it from any best buy store today, I got mine last Friday.
Its been this way for eons. A 500GB HDD is not actually 500GB. The partition method takes up space as well.
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Hey, it's better then the 16gb Galaxy S4, that comes with 9.6gb.
HHDs have always been this way. When you buy a 1TB drive you never get 1TB
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It depends on both the definition of GB that they are going by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte
Since the early 2000s most consumer hard drive capacities are grouped in certain size classes measured in gigabytes. The exact capacity of a given drive is usually some number above or below the class designation. Although most manufacturers of hard disk drives and flash-memory disk devices[4][5] define 1 gigabyte as 1000000000bytes, software like Microsoft Windows reports size in gigabytes by dividing the total capacity in bytes by 1073741824 (230 = 1 gibibyte), while still reporting the result with the symbol "GB". This practice causes confusion, as a hard disk with an advertised capacity of, for example, "400 GB" (meaning 400000000000bytes) might be reported by the operating system as only "372 GB" (meaning 372 GiB). Other software, like Mac OS X 10.6[6] and some components of the Linux kernel[7] measure using the decimal units. The JEDEC memory standards uses the IEEE 100 nomenclatures which defines a gigabyte as 1073741824bytes (or 230 bytes).[8]
The difference between units based on decimal and binary prefixes increases as a semi-logarithmic (linear-log) function—for example, the decimal kilobyte value is nearly 98% of the kibibyte, a megabyte is under 96% of a mebibyte, and a gigabyte is just over 93% of a gibibyte value. This means that a 300 GB (279 GiB) hard disk might be indicated variously as 300 GB, 279 GB or 279 GiB, depending on the operating system. As storage sizes increase and larger units are used, these difference become even more pronounced. Some legal challenges have been waged over this confusion such as a suit against Western Digital.[9][10] Western Digital settled the challenge and added explicit disclaimers to products that the usable capacity may differ from the advertised capacity.[10]
Because of its physical design, computer memory capacity is a multiple of base 2, thus, memory size at the hardware level can always be factored by a power of two. It is thus convenient to use binary units for non-disk memory devices at the hardware level, for example, in boards using DIMM memory. That is, a memory capacity of 1073741824bytes, for example, is conveniently expressed as 1 GiB as opposed to 1.074 GB. Software applications, however, allocate memory in varying degrees of granularity as needed to fulfill data structure requirements and binary multiples are usually not required. Other computer measurements, like storage hardware size, data transfer rates, clock speeds, operations per second, etc., do not depend on an inherent base, and are usually presented in decimal units.
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And also how large the actual OS install is as formatting.
Welcome to the wonderful world of computing.
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Hey, it's better then the 16gb Galaxy S4, that comes with 9.6gb.
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That't not nearly as bad as the Windows 8 tablets where you only get like 5GB of free space on a 32GB model.
The 64gb Microsoft Surface has like 26gb available to the user!
It's normal. Android needs memory. So the "Total Available" is what is left after system files.
player your missing what I said....
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The 64gb Microsoft Surface has like 26gb available to the user!
It's normal. Android needs memory. So the "Total Available" is what is left after system files.
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I mentioned the tablet is reporting total space. The total space should be how much storage the unit has period...I know that
the units use system files ect and this takes up space, and there is an "Available" bucket...not total available.
If you buy a tablet and its a 32gb i'd like it to say 32GB for total space. granted there are system files...approx 4 gb.
the next bucket says available. This is where it should take into account your files as well as the system files it uses...am
I making any sense? and truthfully im sure it will come out in two months from now as they released a 32gb version of the first version.
Im sure we will see a 64gb version which probably is needed since there is no memory expansion...im just wondering why they can't
include a memory card slot so you can increase your storage...oh wait...they are holding back for version 3 july 2014.
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That't not nearly as bad as the Windows 8 tablets where you only get like 5GB of free space on a 32GB model.
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Windows 8 OS definitely takes more space but no way left you with 5GB.
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Its been this way for eons. A 500GB HDD is not actually 500GB. The partition method takes up space as well.
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A 500GB HDD is not 500GB because they count 1 gigabyte as 1 billion bytes on the packaging where a computer, which counts in powers of 2, counts a gigabyte as 1.2 billion bytes. So when your device gets formatted it looks like you lose storage. Blame jerks in marketing who like bigger numbers to be on their labels.
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I mentioned the tablet is reporting total space. The total space should be how much storage the unit has period...I know that
the units use system files ect and this takes up space, and there is an "Available" bucket...not total available.
If you buy a tablet and its a 32gb i'd like it to say 32GB for total space.
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read my above reply
More information can be found here: http://forums.highdefdigest.com/high-def-disc-faqs/17953-gb-vs-gib-explanation-storage-capacity.html
Faulty analogy to hard drives. Big difference between GiB and GB...
Device manufactures advertise total chip capacity prior to partitioning. This is misleading to consumers. Not only do we get the GiB loss, but we also get the loss from the system required partitions.
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Guys if you do the math 32 GB equals to 30.5 GiB but it says 26 GiB total size. Where goes the 4 GiBs?
Guys I think he means this they advertise it as 32 gigabytes but we oy see 26.11 TOTAL ( which includes system files )
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Even though I'm not surprised every by the usable amount. But the first manufacturer two put nand chips in their devices and say put a 40 fb nand for user storage and round down to whatever whole number and market it as that size.
The marketing would sell units
Why with x device you by a 32gb model and have less than 30 gbs to use.
Well with our models when we sell you a 32 fb model you'll get 32 fb
Then pan out to a frustrated surface pro user trying to download a movie
Edit the second nand would be for system only
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Are the OPs figures correct?
Why does the 16gb only use 4.06 for system when the 32gb uses 5.89???
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Are the OPs figures correct?
Why does the 16gb only use 4.06 for system when the 32gb uses 5.89???
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Your math is broken.
I don't have a 16GB model, and am too lazy to look at my 32GB one, but let's say the OP's account of 16GB=11.94GB free is correct.
The 32GB model would have approximately 16,000,000,000 more bytes. Let me repeat. 16,000,000,000 bytes. As it's been explained, while available storage and file size "GB" is represented as 1024x1024x1024 =1073741824 bytes = 1GB, drive sizes have always been 1000x1000x1000 = 1 Billion Bytes. This isn't new. If you don't understand this basic concept, do some research.
Ok, moving on. So, if the 32GB model has 16 billion more bytes, how much is that in what we consider to be a gigabyte? That would be 16,000,000,000/1024/1024/1024 = 14.901161194 GB.
FYI - This number doubled (aka 29.802322388 GB) is what 32 billion bytes equals.
So, if the OPs numbers are correct, the system OS, preloaded apps, etc. take up only 2.96GB because 14.9 - 11.94 = 2.96.
If we subtract 2.96 from the 32 billion byte figure, we are left with 26.841161045 GB remaining.
I agree that this number is a little odd, since it appears there is a difference between that and the 26.11 number the OP is reporting. Assuming their numbers are correct, this would be a difference of about 730MB. I doubt the two versions are formatted differently, and other variations shouldn't account for such a large difference. However, the difference isn't as extreme as some people seem to be indicating.
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Your math is broken.
I don't have a 16GB model, and am too lazy to look at my 32GB one, but let's say the OP's account of 16GB=11.94GB free is correct.
The 32GB model would have approximately 16,000,000,000 more bytes. Let me repeat. 16,000,000,000 bytes. As it's been explained, while available storage and file size "GB" is represented as 1024x1024x1024 =1073741824 bytes = 1GB, drive sizes have always been 1000x1000x1000 = 1 Billion Bytes. This isn't new. If you don't understand this basic concept, do some research.
Ok, moving on. So, if the 32GB model has 16 billion more bytes, how much is that in what we consider to be a gigabyte? That would be 16,000,000,000/1024/1024/1024 = 14.901161194 GB.
FYI - This number doubled (aka 29.802322388 GB) is what 32 billion bytes equals.
So, if the OPs numbers are correct, the system OS, preloaded apps, etc. take up only 2.96GB because 14.9 - 11.94 = 2.96.
If we subtract 2.96 from the 32 billion byte figure, we are left with 26.841161045 GB remaining.
I agree that this number is a little odd, since it appears there is a difference between that and the 26.11 number the OP is reporting. Assuming their numbers are correct, this would be a difference of about 730MB. I doubt the two versions are formatted differently, and other variations shouldn't account for such a large difference. However, the difference isn't as extreme as some people seem to be indicating.
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Ah yes forgot about that little nugget... Still the variance between the two is a little strange.
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Hello all,
did anyone calculated memory in our Notes?
2Gb - / "system disk"
11Gb - /mnt/sdcard
But we should have 16Gb. So, 3Gb is missing. Where is it ?
When 16 GB is indicated it's never the full 16GB, the same goes for 32GB...64GB....ext, they always round up to the nearest increment. It is deceptive, but that's just how they do it with solid state memory.
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When 16 GB is indicated it's never the full 16GB, the same goes for 32GB...64GB....ext, they always round up to the nearest increment
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Rounding ?! 13Gb <> ~16Gb
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Rounding ?! 13Gb <> ~16Gb
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Yep. When the last time you saw increments other then 4,8,16,32,64,128...for solid state memory.
when manufactures advertise 16gb, theyre going as in 16,000,000,000Bytes. but most OS will read it in terms of binary, and the nearest number to 1000 is 1024 (i suck at phrasing).
so 16,000,000,000bytes divided by 1024bytes per kb = 15625000kb divided by 1024kb/mb = 15258.8mb divided by 1024mb/gb = 14.9 gigabytes. now subtract the 2gb for the apps partition and thats 12.9gb. now i dont know too much about the little things to do with android/linux, but i would assume that maybe 1gb or so would be reserved for the android OS itself, or some of it is used as virtual memory.
What is the total amount of space that is showing in the 16 GB version?
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It shows 12.96GB, which seems a lot less than it should be.
4gb is reserved for android os
12.96 is right.
kinda like how RAM is advertised as 2GB
it is really ~1.8GB of RAM
It's the correct amount, everyone gets the same. Android system reserves way to much in my opinion.
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It's the correct amount, everyone gets the same. Android system reserves way to much in my opinion.
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it counts bootloader, recovery, internals, etc.. not just android
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it counts bootloader, recovery, internals, etc.. not just android
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Still, 3GB is a bit over-reserved?
/dev, for example, is 936MiB and only 32KB is used :-/
Remember that the advertised storage capacity is in decimal notation, whereas the figures given by the device are in binary notation.
1 decimal GB is 1,000,000,000 bytes
1 binary GB is 1,073,741,824 bytes (can be written as GiB to avoid confusion)
So 16 GB advertised capacity is 14.9 GiB so there's only about 2 GiB in use by / reserved for the OS.
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kinda like how RAM is advertised as 2GB
it is really ~1.8GB of RAM
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RAM is usually advertised in binary notation, so 2 GB means 2 GiB.
zephiK said:
4gb is reserved for android os
12.96 is right.
kinda like how RAM is advertised as 2GB
it is really ~1.8GB of RAM
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Where exactly are we looking at the amount of GB's in settings under storage? Or under 'Internal Storage' ?
Not sure if my 16gig is showing up as 8
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Where exactly are we looking at the amount of GB's in settings under storage? Or under 'Internal Storage' ?
Not sure if my 16gig is showing up as 8
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Settings->Storage, the "Total Space" shown at the top under "Internal Storage". Mine shows 12.92GB.
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I was planning to buy the follow up nexus tablet for more than a year now, but the specs are such a let down! My biggest gripe is the max 32 gb storage. I'm OK with 16gb being base, I was never going to get 16 gb anyway. But 32 gb as maximum storage is just too little. I don't need an sd-card and sure I can put some stuff in the cloud, but I won't have wifi at all times! Maybe in the USA, but not where I live. (I don't even prefer cloud services for everything)
Even the nexus 6 has 64 gb of storage, and that's a phone which has a sim card and is almost always connected to the internet! Same with RAM. Why would you put less ram in a tablet and more in a smaller phone? Same with screen. Why use lower resolution on the n9 than on the n6? It makes no sense to me. If all can be crammed in a smaller package, then why not in a bigger package with a bigger battery.
Not to mention the 80$ for an increase in 16 gb.
32 gb....
Agreed, 32 GB max is too little. So is 2 GB for ram : what will be left for apps when the video memory will be deduced ?
But my thought on this is that Google wanted HTC to have a place under the sun : I wouldn't be surprised to find out before Xmas or shortly thereafter (Lollipop exclusivity for X months, maybe, just enough to let all other makers develop their own offering) that HTC has tablets ready just to address those weaknesses, and maybe add a micro-sd reader to the mix.
32gb is plenty for me. My current tablet only has 16gb and I don't even use 50% of the storage space.
Yeah the storage or lack thereof is probably the biggest letdown. Its sad to see Apple making Google look foolish in this regard. Can't even really say that cost is the reason with numerous 128GB consumer SSD options for ~$100. I really don't get it. The weird part when you think about it, is that the Nexus Player seems to be the best part of yesterday's announcement.
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32gb is plenty for me. My current tablet only has 16gb and I don't even use 50% of the storage space.
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I only use about 2g of apps over my 16gb n7
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I was planning to buy the follow up nexus tablet for more than a year now, but the specs are such a let down! My biggest gripe is the max 32 gb storage. I'm OK with 16gb being base, I was never going to get 16 gb anyway. But 32 gb as maximum storage is just too little. I don't need an sd-card and sure I can put some stuff in the cloud, but I won't have wifi at all times! Maybe in the USA, but not where I live. (I don't even prefer cloud services for everything)
Even the nexus 6 has 64 gb of storage, and that's a phone which has a sim card and is almost always connected to the internet! Same with RAM. Why would you put less ram in a tablet and more in a smaller phone? Same with screen. Why use lower resolution on the n9 than on the n6? It makes no sense to me. If all can be crammed in a smaller package, then why not in a bigger package with a bigger battery.
Not to mention the 80$ for an increase in 16 gb.
32 gb....
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Totally agree except I thought nexus 6 and 9 both had same resolution?
And I think nexus 6 should have just got 2 GB of ram and made it cheaper.
And I wouldn't even hesitate to get the nexus 9 if the 32 GB was 399. But 480 is way too much for just increased storage. The storage increase probably doesn't cost them more than a few dollars. Now they're acting like Apple who charge 100 more. I used to like that they only charged 50 more
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I wish the Nexus 9 had the following pricing options concerning storage: I may not necessarily need the 64GB version, but not providing it as an option stinks.
16 GB - $399
32 GB - $449
64 GB - $499
16GB storage shouldn't even be an option in this day and age. 32GB and above should be the norm. Was hoping Google would lead by example here instead of skimping out
Its not a bad idea to just get the 16gb version, then get a 64gb OTG flash drive for $40.
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16GB storage shouldn't even be an option in this day and age. 32GB and above should be the norm. Was hoping Google would lead by example here instead of skimping out
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16 gb is still a viable option because there are so many people out there still using a fraction of the 16 gb provided to them.
More storage options other than 32 should be there, but hey, don't ya think htc/google thought about it?
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16 gb is still a viable option because there are so many people out there still using a fraction of the 16 gb provided to them.
More storage options other than 32 should be there, but hey, don't ya think htc/google thought about it?
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Let me preface the obvious: this is all IMO. Having said that, I am constantly juggling games and keeping a watch on storage because 16GB just doesn't cut it. Considering that the most popular apps are games, and they've deprecated the usefulness of an external SD storage, they really should up that status quo. The N6 is a good step, the N9 with 16GB seems all the more bizarre in comparison.
If the Nexus 9 had a proper AMOLED screen and more storage it would be amazing but I'm extra glad I got a Tab S now. No point to AOSP if the hardware is lacking. The only reason to lust for N9 is K1 and that just isn't enough.
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Its not a bad idea to just get the 16gb version, then get a 64gb OTG flash drive for $40.
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Will OTG be full supported? This is what I'm thinking.
I've never maxed out my space in my entire life with my smartphones. I couldn't care less.
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16 gb is still a viable option because there are so many people out there still using a fraction of the 16 gb provided to them.
More storage options other than 32 should be there, but hey, don't ya think htc/google thought about it?
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That would include me. I have no reason to spend more money to buy a 32GB tablet (or phone).
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Will OTG be full supported? This is what I'm thinking.
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Im really not sure, I contacted google about this twice yesterday and both times they could not come up with an answer but would email me within 24 hours. still waiting though so Ill post when I find out.
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Im really not sure, I contacted google about this twice yesterday and both times they could not come up with an answer but would email me within 24 hours. still waiting though so Ill post when I find out.
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Im sure it will
I'm more disappointed by the lack of wireless charging. I have it on my Nexus 7 and a Galaxy S4, and it's spoiled me. Feels like I'd be going backwards by not having it.
My two biggest gripes are wireless charging and the max 32gb. The only thing that makes this remotely palatable is the MicroSD slot but still a 128GB card is going to add $100 to the cost just to get this to the point where it's as functional as an iPad.
A little disappointed given the hype that they were intending to "compete" with the Apple in the high end arena.
The rest of the specs are enough though that I am probably a buyer...
MG
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My two biggest gripes are wireless charging and the max 32gb. The only thing that makes this remotely palatable is the MicroSD slot but still a 128GB card is going to add $100 to the cost just to get this to the point where it's as functional as an iPad.
A little disappointed given the hype that they were intending to "compete" with the Apple in the high end arena.
The rest of the specs are enough though that I am probably a buyer...
MG
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No MicroSD slot. That's why we're all complaining.
What do you guys use memory for? I use the majority for my music, I travel with my entire library which is 40GB, but I'm planning to keep the hard copy on my S4 and just use the cloud for N9. Still probably going to get the 32GB N9 to fit more movies and tv shows.
Hey guys I was looking at my storage space today and i noticed I only have 111GB useable. I know that several GB are consumed by the system image and that the whole 128GB is not available, but 17GB used by the system image seems excessive.
you usually get 119GB after format, 128 x 7%, 119GB remains then OS partition and then more since its 64bit.
My 64gb has 54gb free
They define GB by 1000 where it's really 1024 so formatted capacity is less,
http://www.ussscctv.com/harddrivesizecapacitiescalculator.aspx
Mine had 111 GB free straight out of the box.
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Mine had 111 GB free straight out of the box.
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Same here!
The larger the amount of storage, the larger the system partition. Dunno why, but it has been this way as long as I can remember.
Ok cool. Thanks for the replys
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Hi all,
I know Samsung states the max capacity card for the S8 is 256GB but with the prices falling I'm strongly considering a 512GB card.
My current one is a Samsung Evo Plus 256GB card (red and grey version).
The new 512GB Evo Plus (grey one) looks to be faster and has A2 support and under £40 now. Mymemory also suggests it is compatible but unsure if they have actually tested it themselves.
As the S8 supports SDXC and exfat and believed to be UHS-1 bus it looks like the new Samsung Evo Plus 512GB might be good?
I did consider a newer model but not a fan that newer phones don't tend to support storage expansion and it's all cloud now. I like the files on the phone as I back them up at home.
Just wanted to post that out to see whether the 512gb samsung evo may be a good idea?
Many thanks
Not sure if that will work or not. I've read about people using larger than speced memory and it working on other phones.
I use the Sandisk Extreme .5 and 1tb V30 rated cards with my N10+'s. Zero issues. Get write speeds of [email protected] going from internal to card.
Consider upgrading to a N10+, these are fast, capable phones with one one the best displays out there. After this flagship Samsung starts losing it.
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Not sure if that will work or not. I've read about people using larger than speced memory and it working on other phones.
I use the Sandisk Extreme .5 and 1tb V30 rated cards with my N10+'s. Zero issues. Get write speeds of [email protected] going from internal to card.
Consider upgrading to a N10+, these are fast, capable phones with one one the best displays out there. After this flagship Samsung starts losing it.
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Thanks blackhawk, I was thinking that their limitation on size was based on what was available for them to test with at the time so maybe couldn't test 512gb at the time of manufacture (2017 or so). I know at some point I'll definitely need to move on when the OS becomes really obsolete, the battery isn't holding charge for long, I have to take power banks with me to get through a day!
I'll check out the N10+ as I think if I wanted a Galaxy with micro SD support the best I'd be looking at is an A53?
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Thanks blackhawk, I was thinking that their limitation on size was based on what was available for them to test with at the time so maybe couldn't test 512gb at the time of manufacture (2017 or so).
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I assume it depends on the default cluster size for exFAT:
7 MB-256 MB4 KB256 MB-32 GB32 KB32 GB-256 TB128 KB
https://support.microsoft.com/topic...nd-exfat-9772e6f1-e31a-00d7-e18f-73169155af95
I think for that reason Android formats sd cards up to 32GB in FAT32 while sd cards 64GB+ are formatted in exFAT. So - in theory - every Android should accept sd cards up to 256TB (cluster size 128KB) as long as min. 64GB is compatible according to the manufacturer.
Excellent thanks, I did wonder if there could be any limitations if it supports exfat and sdxc. I'll hold off from 1tb but might be intrigued if anyone does try that size.
sd card sizes are mostly just recomendations,
i run a 400gb sandisk ultra in my s3 wich oficially supports up to 64gb, only downside is that it takes 15mins to recognize the card, after that everything works as it should, get about 12mb/s out of the card
also run a 512gb samsung card in my a5(2017) wich is specified with up to 256gb supported with no problems
Great, thanks for confirming. Useful also as my other half has an A5(2017) and I also have an S3 and an S5.
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Thanks blackhawk, I was thinking that their limitation on size was based on what was available for them to test with at the time so maybe couldn't test 512gb at the time of manufacture (2017 or so). I know at some point I'll definitely need to move on when the OS becomes really obsolete, the battery isn't holding charge for long, I have to take power banks with me to get through a day!
I'll check out the N10+ as I think if I wanted a Galaxy with micro SD support the best I'd be looking at is an A53?
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You could replace the battery, not that big a deal.
Not sure about which of the midrange Samsung's is top of the lot.
The N10+ trumps the new midrange Samsungs except no variable refresh rate display and no 5G (probably should avoid the 5G variant). New N10+'s N975U1 (Android 10) can still be had new from a reliable vendor for $700. PM me if you want his site link. Used used ones for half that price. You may need to replace the battery but it's not a big deal.
The Snapdragon variants (N975U, N975U1) have the best hardware but can't be rooted. They run the fastest and coolest.
Most used ones will be loaded with Android 11 or 12 with the scoped storage nonsense. I prefer Android 9. I have two N10+'s; one running on 9, the newest is running on 10. Android 10 runs ok and scoped storage isn't fully implemented. I bought the second one new in part to avoid Android 11/12.
If you buy used beware of scammers. Use known good vendors only. Test the display with ScreenTest as soon as you get recieve it. The display should be perfect. Then test the cams, spen, connectivity, card slot and so on.
Use a Sandisk Extreme V30 rated card; they're fast and are very reliable.
Use a Zizo Bolt case to protect it otherwise it will get damaged; these are heavy, corner hitting phones.
Excellent, thanks.
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Excellent, thanks.
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You're welcome. Check out the N10+ forum. There's lots of information there. Also Android 10 no rollback to 9, Android 11 no rollback to 10, however Android 12 probably can be rolled back to 11.
These work horses are just a joy to use. Once optimized they run very well stock, are extremely stable and long lived. The N10+ is exponentially faster than the N9 but the flagships that followed to N10+ don't see that leapfrog speed increase in most real time usage.
I just wanted to report back that I have now replaced the 256GB Samsung Evo Plus in my Galaxy S8 with the 2021 newer 512GB Samsung Evo Plus which is V30.
The tests and details are attached. It seemed to have no problem at all and have recorded Ultra 4K video to it perfectly so pleased with my £32.99 purchase as I was going to pay £42 then the price suddenly dropped by £10 last week...
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I just wanted to report back that I have now replaced the 256GB Samsung Evo Plus in my Galaxy S8 with the 2021 newer 512GB Samsung Evo Plus which is V30.
The tests and details are attached. It seemed to have no problem at all and have recorded Ultra 4K video to it perfectly so pleased with my £32.99 purchase as I was going to pay £42 then the price suddenly dropped by £10 last week...
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Why is screenshot no 1 showing only 477,5GB for the micro SD but 64GB for internal? I've never seen that decimal and binary were mixed up. Aside from that 512GB = 476,84GiB and not 477,5GiB as shown there.
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Why is screenshot no 1 showing only 477,5GB for the micro SD but 64GB for internal? I've never seen that decimal and binary were mixed up. Aside from that 512GB = 476,84GiB and not 477,5GiB as shown there.
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Must admit I'm not too sure, could be an oddity with the app there. It detected it and made it usable straight away although I formatted it in the phone anyway. Then the apps on my phone filled up 7GB of space without me doing anything.
I bought from a well known trusted supplier as I know are loads of fake cards on the market these days.
I'll do some checks and see if I can determine the size correctly.
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Why is screenshot no 1 showing only 477,5GB for the micro SD but 64GB for internal? I've never seen that decimal and binary were mixed up. Aside from that 512GB = 476,84GiB and not 477,5GiB as shown there.
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samsung makes it so the internal storage always shows up with the next "full" capacity so 32gb 64gb 128gb etc
size for external media is taken from usable size so after filesystem and all so that may explain the difference there
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samsung makes it so the internal storage always shows up with the next "full" capacity so 32gb 64gb 128gb etc
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Every storage size on every mobile phone is a multiple of 2, e.g. 2^5 (32GB) or 2^9 (512GB). And a storage overview shows always total/free. Also non-Samsung devices.
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size for external media is taken from usable size so after filesystem and all so that may explain the difference there
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A GUID partition table (gpt) has a header size of 32 blocks (block size = 512). The default start block of the first partition is 2048 (0x100000). This is 1MiB (2048*512=1048576 Byte) unallocated space. No existing file system takes 34,5GB for its partition table.
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Every storage size on every mobile phone is a multiple of 2, e.g. 2^5 (32GB) or 2^9 (512GB). And a storage overview shows always total/free. Also non-Samsung devices.
A GUID partition table (gpt) has a header size of 32 blocks (block size = 512). The default start block of the first partition is 2048 (0x100000). This is 1MiB (2048*512=1048576 Byte) unallocated space. No existing file system takes 34,5GB for its partition table.
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Yes the physical storage is 32GB but samsung shows 32GiB (at least on android 8)
moreso the stock data partition on my phone is only 24gib big
it will also show 512 gb while the /data partition is on an 400gb sd-card (will show 100+gb used even though that storage doesnt exist)
most other phones i had just showed the capacity of /data instead of the full flash memory (so 398gb on that 400gb sd card for example)
sd card in question https://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Ultra-microSDXC-Speicherkarte-Adapter/dp/B074RNRM2B
conclusion: samsung appears to not read the full flash capacity but appears to just extrapolate the size of /data to the next full capacity instead just showing the missing amount as system storage.
It seems nearly every android has that stupid bug mixing up GB with GiB in storage calculation, that's not only Samsungs failure. the discrepancy is hidden in occupied space for System, as we recently discussed here.
Why is the OS (System) size different for different storage variants of the same device model?
I have seen that the space occupied by 'System' is different for different storage sizes of the same device. My Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra shows space occupied by system as over 50 GB. Mine is the 512 GB variant (Snapdragon). While I don't...
forum.xda-developers.com
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moreso the stock data partition on my phone is only 24gib big
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That is correct since /data is one of many partitions on your storage chip. The size of /data in your internal storage is
32GB - (all other partitions except /data) = /data
The meta data on a sd card occupies not more than a few MB. So the system should always show 512GB of 512GB free storage.
It's quite unusual showing both, GB and GiB in one overview. Apart from that 477,5GiB ≠ 512GB. That's too much.
depends on the person that calculates it. in the two articles in other thread former one mentioned 494 GiB the latter one 476 GiB. 2023 at it's best