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So a friend of mine was debating reasons why the iPhone 4's retina display is better than Super AMOLED. An argument that will go on until the next big thing hits. But he brought up something that I can't seem to verify because of conflicting information.
He said that Super AMOLED is only capable of 16bit color, and not 24bit color and that Samsung claims 24bit (16million colors) is due to dithering.
I read that 16 bit color is also a limitation of Android 2.1
So my question is, is Super AMOLED a 16 bit display that only claims 24 bit due to dithering or is it truly a 24 bit display that is limited by Android 2.1?
Can someone shed some light on this? This thread is the second result when i googled the question, and i'd rather hear it from you xda
To answer this the short answer is the Galaxy 9000 series has 16 million color (24bit)+ dithering (The algorithm that is used to blend color) according to their specs. If the question is which is better the I PHONE which has better overall specs or the 9000 which actually has better real life colorization. The answer by most is It depends on what you are looking at. Essentially they are equal, though more the reviews tend to like Galaxy screen color better. See, the real problem with all this is more doesn't always make better so having the best specs doesn't mean having the best output.
The Iphone has the best specs academically, but user does not see the output it as better ..........
http://www.displayblog.com/2010/09/28/displaymate-super-amoled-vs-retina-display/
oka1 said:
The Iphone has the best specs academically, but user does not see the output it as better ..........
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Actually, other than the Retina Display and Super AMOLED display, they are basically the same hardware-wise. Both have A8 CPUs, 512 RAM, and large amounts of flash memory. We have a better GPU though.
Just iOS is a bit more refined than Android as far as the user experience goes. (Not that Android is bad, gotta admire your competitors strengths after all!)
Been struggling with this question since it was out...The specs are mediocre and standard. Nothing "flagshippy" about them. The cam is both a deal-maker and deal-breaker for some.
But wondering if there is anything I am not seein there...
You don't need better specs for WP8 it will run perfectly smooth on the Lumia 920! The screen is amazing. Why should the camera be a dealbreaker? The design is very nice! You got exclusiv Lumia Apps so there's a lot more special about the 920 than only the camera.
I don't understand what you said not flagshippy? Based on what specs is your assumption.. The screen is awesome, the S4 chip is one of the best, wireless charging, good camera, free nav and so on...
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Been struggling with this question since it was out...The specs are mediocre and standard. Nothing "flagshippy" about them. The cam is both a deal-maker and deal-breaker for some.
But wondering if there is anything I am not seein there...
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Are you blind? Best screen, wireless charging, best camera, touch through gloves.. honestly the only thing not top of the line is the memory and processor and sadly the os.
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I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
What he said...
WOW you went ape sh*t with this response. Need more people like you around. Keep up the work
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The Janitor Mop said:
I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
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:highfive: Great post. Still cannot believe some think this is no better then previous phones.
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I don't understand what you said not flagshippy? Based on what specs is your assumption.. The screen is awesome, the S4 chip is one of the best, wireless charging, good camera, free nav and so on...
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Great camera, the screen has higher ppi than almost anything out there, has the highest resolution and the design is gorgeous and a crappy one.
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Are you blind? Best screen, wireless charging, best camera, touch through gloves.. honestly the only thing not top of the line is the memory and processor and sadly the os.
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OS is top of the line, and ram is sufficient for now. 2 GB would have been better, but if you see people with iphones running out of memory, I dont think that will happen on windows phone either.
circleofomega said:
Been struggling with this question since it was out...The specs are mediocre and standard. Nothing "flagshippy" about them. The cam is both a deal-maker and deal-breaker for some.
But wondering if there is anything I am not seein there...
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Unlike android, windows phone does not require as much resources, because windows phone is optimized to run on standardized hardware (just like the iPhone, even though the hardware varies more on WP). You can look at android as the jack of all trades, master of none.
The amount of functionality these new windows phones can achieve is stunning. They can offer the same and much more compared to android due to their excellent hardware optimization, the awesome developing tools (present in 7.5, now they got even better), top of the line sensors and chipsets, and much, much more.
Hell, you can even play computer games on them.
It has lamborghini yellow. That trumps EVERYTHING.
The Janitor Mop said:
I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
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Ok....Firstly, a sincere thanks. Secondly, I admit I was quick to react as, yes, you said it, a quad core, more RAM and a slighlt higher MP cam would have been better.
What I overlooked was the fact that WP DOESN'T need a monster of a hardware backing. YEs. That IS true. I have used HTC HD7 and it was as fast on the last day as it was on first. And that too on the specs it ran on at that time.
Today, to be very very honest, my RaZr does lag sometimes. It all depends, on day one of flashing a new ROM, everything is fast and snappy. But the moment it settles down a bit, slow...lag..
So...I have to admit, the Lumia IS top of the line HW with of course amazing OS.
Thanks all you guys for your replies.
circleofomega said:
Ok....Firstly, a sincere thanks. Secondly, I admit I was quick to react as, yes, you said it, a quad core, more RAM and a slighlt higher MP cam would have been better.
What I overlooked was the fact that WP DOESN'T need a monster of a hardware backing. YEs. That IS true. I have used HTC HD7 and it was as fast on the last day as it was on first. And that too on the specs it ran on at that time.
Today, to be very very honest, my RaZr does lag sometimes. It all depends, on day one of flashing a new ROM, everything is fast and snappy. But the moment it settles down a bit, slow...lag..
So...I have to admit, the Lumia IS top of the line HW with of course amazing OS.
Thanks all you guys for your replies.
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Higher MP count camera: I already pointed out that more MP can actually decrease image quality for cameras with small sensors, and camera phones represent virtually the smallest sensor sizes in the camera world. Do some research and you will find out that the extra MP in phone cameras like the Titan II only result in extra noise in the image. Again, the 920 has a slightly larger sensor size than the next biggest sensor sizes in other top phones (GS3, iPhone 4S, One X), and it makes sense to slightly increase MP count from 8-8.7 MP. Image quality in the end is all that matters, and if 8.7 MP truly is the sweet spot for this camera, then by all means don't give us more MP Nokia.
More RAM: I hardly see this as a point to complain about because the majority of new phones even today still just have 1 MB RAM. Only the very newest Android phones are starting to be released with 2 GB RAM. So, the 920 is doubling the RAM WP devices have (from 512 MB to 1 GB) just like the newest Android phones are doubling from 1 GB to 2 GB. Furthermore, a lot of people are arguing quite convincingly that it's virtually impossible to tell if 2 GB RAM is actually having a noticeable impact on performance of their devices. 1 GB really is sufficient RAM even for an Android. And what's sufficient for an Android phone is overkill for a WP8 device, as much as I hate to admit that as an Android guy.
Quad-core: there are several reasons it's pointless as of right now to hope for quad-core in a WP8 device. First is the fact that very few devices, even Androids, are releasing with quad-cores. Second is the fact that the devices that are being released with quad-cores have quad-cores that aren't worth your time, such as Tegra 3 and Exynos 4412. They're both last gen Cortex-A9 processors. The only quad-core on the near horizon worth your time is the S4 Pro with Adreno 320. I'll say it again: if you really want a quad-core device, the processor you should be waiting for is the S4 Pro. And it's unreasonable to expect it right now because the ONLY phone that has been announced with it so far has been the LG Optimus G. AND on top of that the S4 Pro is expected to be in very limited supply. So it's unreasonable to expect S4 Pro on ANY device released in the next few months (save for the LG, who probably pulled more string than a puppeteer to get them), and EVEN MORE unreasonable to expect it on a WP8 device on which it would be total overkill. If you expect Nokia to give you S4 Pro on the 920 they'll say fine, you can twiddle your thumbs as the release gets pushed back to somewhere in 2013.
Edit: there's something else on top of everything else I just said. I don't know much about WP, but it's entirely possible that WP8 is specifically optimized for dual-core processors. Android's multi-core support is designed to work well with both dual-cores and quad-cores (and theoretically what's beyond), but with MS's tighter grip on the standards for hardware being produced for WP, it is definitely possible that they designed WP8 to be a beast specifically with dual-cores. There's the S4 right now, and there will soon be Cortex-A15 dual-cores coming out in the Exynos and OMAP lines, so if MS did design for dual-core the manufacturers will have a nice selection of next gen dual-cores to work with.
The Janitor Mop said:
Higher MP count camera: I already pointed out that more MP can actually decrease image quality for cameras with small sensors, and camera phones represent virtually the smallest sensor sizes in the camera world. Do some research and you will find out that the extra MP in phone cameras like the Titan II only result in extra noise in the image. Again, the 920 has a slightly larger sensor size than the next biggest sensor sizes in other top phones (GS3, iPhone 4S, One X), and it makes sense to slightly increase MP count from 8-8.7 MP. Image quality in the end is all that matters, and if 8.7 MP truly is the sweet spot for this camera, then by all means don't give us more MP Nokia.
More RAM: I hardly see this as a point to complain about because the majority of new phones even today still just have 1 MB RAM. Only the very newest Android phones are starting to be released with 2 GB RAM. So, the 920 is doubling the RAM WP devices have (from 512 MB to 1 GB) just like the newest Android phones are doubling from 1 GB to 2 GB. Furthermore, a lot of people are arguing quite convincingly that it's virtually impossible to tell if 2 GB RAM is actually having a noticeable impact on performance of their devices. 1 GB really is sufficient RAM even for an Android. And what's sufficient for an Android phone is overkill for a WP8 device, as much as I hate to admit that as an Android guy.
Quad-core: there are several reasons it's pointless as of right now to hope for quad-core in a WP8 device. First is the fact that very few devices, even Androids, are releasing with quad-cores. Second is the fact that the devices that are being released with quad-cores have quad-cores that aren't worth your time, such as Tegra 3 and Exynos 4412. They're both last gen Cortex-A9 processors. The only quad-core on the near horizon worth your time is the S4 Pro with Adreno 320. I'll say it again: if you really want a quad-core device, the processor you should be waiting for is the S4 Pro. And it's unreasonable to expect it right now because the ONLY phone that has been announced with it so far has been the LG Optimus G. AND on top of that the S4 Pro is expected to be in very limited supply. So it's unreasonable to expect S4 Pro on ANY device released in the next few months (save for the LG, who probably pulled more string than a puppeteer to get them), and EVEN MORE unreasonable to expect it on a WP8 device on which it would be total overkill. If you expect Nokia to give you S4 Pro on the 920 they'll say fine, you can twiddle your thumbs as the release gets pushed back to somewhere in 2013.
Edit: there's something else on top of everything else I just said. I don't know much about WP, but it's entirely possible that WP8 is specifically optimized for dual-core processors. Android's multi-core support is designed to work well with both dual-cores and quad-cores (and theoretically what's beyond), but with MS's tighter grip on the standards for hardware being produced for WP, it is definitely possible that they designed WP8 to be a beast specifically with dual-cores. There's the S4 right now, and there will soon be Cortex-A15 dual-cores coming out in the Exynos and OMAP lines, so if MS did design for dual-core the manufacturers will have a nice selection of next gen dual-cores to work with.
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WHOA MAN!!! I seriously am impressed. You say u don't know much about WP? Are u kidding me..I got to learn soooo much from you ...seriously thanks a ton...
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The Janitor Mop said:
I'm an Android guy, but all these posts about the Lumia 920 being a disappointment confuse the heck out of me.
I just looked up a list of all Windows Phone devices, and here's what I gather about the 920 (compared to previous WP devices):
1 GB RAM, so far WP devices have had only 512 MB RAM tops
S4 SoC, a HUGE improvement over WP SoCs because after running through the entire list of WP devices the most advanced SoC so far has been the S2 Scorpion. I cannot even begin to explain how much of a gigantic leap the S4 is over the S2.
32 GB storage. Only ONE previous WP device has had 32 GB of storage.
EVERYTHING about the display. First 4.5" display on a WP device (not to say that it is the largest, as there have been 4.7" displays, but there has never been a 4.5" display on a WP device). 1280 x 768 resolution, a HUGE leap over the 480 x 800 resolution we have seen so far on WP devices. IPS display, so far the most advanced LCD display on a WP device has been SLCD. The display is just like the SoC: an absolutely gigantic leap over what we've seen so far in WP devices.
LTE support. So far it looks like only 3 WP devices have had LTE.
2000mAh battery. Previous record was 1830mAh.
Camera: let's get down to what's important and talk about something other than MP. Yes, it's 8.7 MP is nothing new, as the Titan II had a 16 MP rear camera. But anyone who knows anything about cameras knows it's about much more than just MP count. So: F/2.0 aperture, the lowest of any smartphone (to my knowledge the only other phone with such an f-stop is the One X), a 1/3 inch sensor (which is larger than the 1/3.2 inch sensor the iPhone 4S, One X, and GS3 all have, so effectively the largest sensor other than outliers like the 808 Pureview), backside illumination, and floating lens mechanical stabilization. BSI isn't new, but few WP phones have had it, and mechanical stabilization isn't new, but based on the video of it in action on a 920 (the actual footage Nokia released, not the ad), no company has ever developed such effective mechanical stabilization. Lastly, very high megapixel counts can actually decrease image quality for small sensor sizes, so it doesn't make much sense to stuff a 16+MP camera into smartphones when they have very small sensor sizes. Higher MP counts are important only when the sensor size correspondingly increases, and the increase from 8-8.7 MP seems like a good increase for a sensor size increase from 1/3.2 inches to 1/3 inches.
I'm not going to avoid the truth: the Lumia 920 represents a huge leap in WP hardware. I see almost nothing to complain about other than the lack of expandable storage. Previous WP phones ran damn smoothly with POS single-core S2 SoCs on earlier versions of WP, and now the Lumia 920 packs a dual-core S4 SoC running WP8. Goodness, if a GS3 runs smoothly with the S4 on ICS, how much of a performance beast will the 920 be given it has the S4 and runs the much faster WP8? The display is in every way a huge improvement over what WP devices have had. HUGE. Nokia claims it's the brightest smartphone display, to go along with all the other details about it that impress me. The camera should be downright impressive. Look up actual pictures the 920 has been demonstrated to take and it is very impressive, especially in low light.
My question: if the Lumia 920 is a disappointment to you, what exact changes would make it meet your hopes? An even larger battery? An even denser display? Quad-core processor? We all know the lack of removable storage is a bummer, but what other things were you hoping for that have let you down?
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Excellent post, the 920 will definitely be my next phone (unless HTC produce a very special rabbit from a hat!)
I am currently using SGS III (my 7th high end droid over the years), and in all probability it will be my last android phone. Mainly because, over the years I have never found a single droid which was stable / solid performer day in/day out. The issues I faced ranges from un-explainable reboots, hang ups, slow downs/sluggishness etc. etc. So from my experience I'd say most droids have excellent hardware, but extremely crappy OS, which also have iOS's copycat UI (only inferior), but that is just my personal opinion.
To sum up android (thanks to user on another forum):
"Android suffers the Linux** disease of being really interesting for a little while, followed by tears of boredom. When all that's left to talk about is the hardware (read: almost every Android vs. Others comparison is purely hardware-focused), it's clear the OS has lost its charm."
So long and the short of it, I was thinking about going back to iPhone, but then I got my hands on Lumia 800, and having tried it for 2+ months, I think WP is the most efficient*, responsive, and stable mobile OS (I don't really use too many apps, so I don't really care about lower number in WP app store). So I will be getting either Samsung ATIV S or Nokia Lumia 920 (most likely I'll go with 920, as Nokia updates/rolles out new stuff for its phones much quicker compared to Samsung).
* Lumia 800 easily defeated my older droids ie SGS2/Sensation in performance as well.
** I am a Windows 7+Win8x64/Linux user myself.
I currently switch between an HTC One X and an HTC Titan, android has its plus points, but it can be a real pain in the arse, for example sometimes the onex will load up some medoa server thing which eats the battery in about 45 minutes, sometimes the home screen will freeze on loading, if I go too long without rebooting the whole phone slows down and becomes sluggish. No such problems with my Titan! I will be getting me a Lumia 920 as soon as they are released, the Titan will be my spare phone and the onex is going on ebay....
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I am currently using SGS III (my 7th high end droid over the years), and in all probability it will be my last android phone. Mainly because, over the years I have never found a single droid which was stable / solid performer day in/day out. The issues I faced ranges from un-explainable reboots, hang ups, slow downs/sluggishness etc. etc. So from my experience I'd say most droids have excellent hardware, but extremely crappy OS, which also have iOS's copycat UI (only inferior), but that is just my personal opinion.
To sum up android (thanks to user on another forum):
"Android suffers the Linux** disease of being really interesting for a little while, followed by tears of boredom. When all that's left to talk about is the hardware (read: almost every Android vs. Others comparison is purely hardware-focused), it's clear the OS has lost its charm."
So long and the short of it, I was thinking about going back to iPhone, but then I got my hands on Lumia 800, and having tried it for 2+ months, I think WP is the most efficient*, responsive, and stable mobile OS (I don't really use too many apps, so I don't really care about lower number in WP app store). So I will be getting either Samsung ATIV S or Nokia Lumia 920 (most likely I'll go with 920, as Nokia updates/rolles out new stuff for its phones much quicker compared to Samsung).
* Lumia 800 easily defeated my older droids ie SGS2/Sensation in performance as well.
** I am a Windows 7+Win8x64/Linux user myself.
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A lot of what you said is how I feel. Android is a lot of fun and I love flashing new ROMs on my Sensation, but it really fails to be something that performs consistently all the time. It is a strange OS that has a ton of quirks and above all else is the least efficient major mobile OS. iOS and WP don't require the same hardware Android does in order to perform well. I was absolutely shocked when I found that the top range WP devices so far have been using an outdated, single-core S2 Snapdragon processor. My Sensation, with a dual-core S3 Snapdragon, and with custom ROMs and overclocked, still lags, stutters, gets hung up trying to leave an app or switch apps, and overall is a less than pleasant experience. Meanwhile, WP devices are blazing smooth on hardware that is several notches below what even midrange Androids have.
To be fair, Jelly Bean is a really good improvement to Android and I think it has established Android as a legitimate player against the next iPhone and WP8. I have yet to try a JB ROM (we have a CM10 ROM and AOKP JB that are both beta-quality), but if it really does eliminate lag I'll be impressed, because I'm not expecting that it will be able to eliminate all the hiccups that my phone tends to have.
WP8 appeals to me as something that will work out of the box, be a steady and powerful performer, offer something different, and I like the idea of having Windows 8 on my laptop and a WP8 phone. I'm like you, I don't use very many apps at all. Give me a good calendar, browser, note app, FB/Instagram, map/nav app, mail app, music apps, news apps, office apps (which is where I would imagine WP would excel lol), and other useful things like banking apps and I'm good to go. Otherwise, my Sensation is filled with games I don't play much and aren't necessary, recovery and backup apps for flashing ROMs, random benchmarks which aren't necessary, performance apps that monitor battery and CPU and stuff that aren't necessary, and other fluff I can do without.
You guys can make that 3.
I too hold a "flagship" Droid right now. But does it lag? Sure. Do I get lost in finding what I want to in the heaps and heaps of apps...? Sure. Do I have tons of games on my SD card which I don't play? Sure.
Is my SD card clogged with more ROMs than pics of my lovely wife? Yes.
Do I spend more time flashing those ROMs than be with my loved ones? Absolutely. Do I open my "app drawer" and just forget what I came here for? Yes...YES YES!
Am I scared with the security this OS gives me for my data? Yes.
Sent from my DROID RaZr.
Lol. I'm not for sure going to switch to WP8, because I still have a bit less than a year of my contract with my Sensation, and I only have very limited actual experience with WP8. By the time march-april rolls around next year, though, there better either be a new amazing Nexus or rumors of an upcoming amazing Nexus with Key Lime Pie or else I'll probably end up with the best WP8 device T-Mobile has to offer. And realistically I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see things like quad-core processors in WP8 devices by that time, so they should be pretty amazing.
Great article on AA showing the differences between the Nexus 6 and other devices in the phablet category.
To sum it up:
- The Nexus 6 has a great display to body ratio. It's only (slightly) beat by the LG G3 and Huawei Ascend Mate 7.
- The Nexus 6, as you probably know by now, has the top-of-the-line specs. Nothing really compares with it except the Note 4, which has similar specs.
- The Nexus 6 is slightly bigger than the Note 4 (Differences in mm: 5.8 x 4.4 x 1.5) but manages to fit in a display that is .26 inches larger and front facing stereo speakers.
I would probably say that the Nexus 6's biggest competitor is the OnePlus One. It offers high-end specs, not quite as high-end as the Note 4 but the differences are negligible. Granted, the Nexus 6 has a more premium build (in my opinion), OIS and is launching with Android L as opposed to waiting more than three months until the OnePlus One receives the L update. Furthermore, the Nexus 6 is going to be on more carriers, will probably have much better customer service, is easily available (once it's actually released) and hopefully won't be riddled with the bugs.
However, the Nexus 6 is twice as much as the OPO - $350 as opposed to $700 for the same amount of storage. Money talks...
Now the real question: The other flagships that are being compared to the Nexus 6 all offer something additional. For example, the Note 4 has an SPen and the Mate 7 also has a fingerprint sensor. The LG G3 and Note 4 both have removable battery, microsd support and multi-window modes. Are you willing to compromise these extra features to have stock android?
Source: AndroidAuthority
No fingerprint scanner is a bummer. I use corporate email on my Nexus 5 and the compliance software makes me have a lockscreen password which is a PITA. No patterns are allowed. iPhone 6 and 5S users can use the fingerprint scanner to bypass the password.
I'm considering the N6 as an upgrade from my much beloved N5, but there's two things that I need to see from the N6 before making the purchase.
#1- The amoled display. Recent offerings from Motorola have had 'middle of the road' amoled screens when compared to Samsung's recent amoled displays (Comparing the Moto X 2014 to a SGS5 or Note 4). If that big amoled is sub-par, I will pass.
#2- The camera. Again, this is the track record of the Nexus line having a less than favorable camera when compared to competing phones. I'm also not sold on the dual ring led flash right around the sensor (it creates red eye if you are shooting people - seen on the Moto X 2014)
What's weird is that when compared to the Note 4 $100 more out of pocket ($649 for 32gb N6 and $749 for 32gb Note 4 - basing pricing from T-Mobile) really does get you quite a bit more.
(Perhaps) better display (more color accurate/brighter)
Better camera (16mp vs 13mp) and better ff (2.0mp vs 3.7mp) camera - I know, it's not all about the mp, but the Note 4's camera has received a lot of praise for shooting in all lighting conditions
S Pen
MicroSD/removable battery (extends device life)
IR blaster
Fingerprint scanner
The decision isn't as easy as it was with getting the N5. It's not the size, it's the price. I just can't stand Samsung and Touchwiz, and with the N6 getting Wifi Calling for T-Mobile... Ugh. If the display and or the camera turn out to be disappointing perhaps I will sit this round and wait for the first 64 bit nexus phone next year.
Poor Graphics on Nexus 6?
Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
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Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
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All appleinsider did there was read a benchmark result
Turns out from the note 4 reviews that it handles games beautifully
italia0101 said:
All appleinsider did there was read a benchmark result
Turns out from the note 4 reviews that it handles games beautifully
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Can you please add any benchmarks (FPS preferably) that corroborate this (I mean 30 fps is beautiful, but 50+ fps is what I would expect from a flagship)?
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Can you please add any benchmarks (FPS preferably) that corroborate this (I mean 30 fps is beautiful, but 50+ fps is what I would expect from a flagship)?
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Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it
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Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it
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Thanks! I will wait for a more thorough review when Nexus 6 comes out. I will probably get a Nexus 9 now as I don't have any tablet, and the 192 core kepler is built for graphics!
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Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it
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Note the difference in display resolution. If you've ever done PC benchmarking, you'll know that plays a huge difference....
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Note the difference in display resolution. If you've ever done PC benchmarking, you'll know that plays a huge difference....
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Without a doubt, that's why I thought I'd better list them, good thing a lot of Android games give us a resolution slider
Far_SighT said:
Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
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No Android phone can top the iPhone when it comes to gaming. That's the primary reason why I always have an iPhone as well as Android. Playing the same game on my iPhone 6 and my Nexus 5, they always look and run better on the iPhone. Take a benchmark game like MC5- on Android a lot of the effects are turned off and it still runs better on the iPhone. Even the 5s had better gaming/graphics performance than the N5. I'd imagine it'll be the same thing with the N6.
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Far_SighT said:
Hi, I recently read a troubling article from appleinsider that claims that Nexus 6 graphics performance is sub-par (and Note 4) compared to Apple iPhone 6 Plus.
Because of the source, I am taking this with a pinch of salt. I want to get a new device as my HTC Sensation XE is more than two years old, but, graphics (OpenGL 3) are an important point for me and I will probably get Nexus 9 + OPO/Xiaomi (which may have better graphics, due to smaller screen) if this is indeed the case. By graphics, I mean gaming, like, Modern Combat 5.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
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Apple's A7 SOC (iphone 5S) dominated most every benchmark. The A8 (so we are calling. We don't know the actual name) which is in iPhone 6 & 6+ is just the next generation of the same chip. It does very well and again dominates the benchmarks.
That doesn't mean a snapdragon 805 isn't good. It just means (in benchmarks at least) the A8 is better. However, we all know synthetics don't necessarily relate to real world use.
Apple is designing custom ARM chips for their own software in a closed system. Advantage Apple.
http://anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review
http://anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review
If you aren't reading anandtech reviews, you need to.
Also note that the N6 camera sensor is NOT THE SAME as Moto X 2014 camera.
N6 camera sensor is IMX 214, source: http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
This is the same camera sensor as One Plus One, source: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...mx214-6-lenses-and-low-light-performance.456/
Moto X 2014 camera sensor is IMX 135, source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...MX135-sensor-and-more-daytime-samples_id60299
However, the Note 4 is using newer camera sensor IMX 240, source: http://www.sammobile.com/2014/08/21...es-16mp-side-touch-wide-selfie-and-much-more/
So, the Nexus 6 camera should perform better than the Moto X 2014, while it might not be as good as Note 4, from sensor model perspective.
Then the deciding factor would be the camera "software"
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Apple's A7 SOC (iphone 5S) dominated most every benchmark. The A8 (so we are calling. We don't know the actual name) which is in iPhone 6 & 6+ is just the next generation of the same chip. It does very well and again dominates the benchmarks.
That doesn't mean a snapdragon 805 isn't good. It just means (in benchmarks at least) the A8 is better. However, we all know synthetics don't necessarily relate to real world use.
Apple is designing custom ARM chips for their own software in a closed system. Advantage Apple.
http://anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review
http://anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review
If you aren't reading anandtech reviews, you need to.
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Thanks. It seems N9 is the way to go for media consumption, considering it's GPU performance is the best available (afa i know). Besides, N6 price seems overkill to me. They could have stuck with 1080p. At 6 inches, I doubt anyone has the eyes to see the difference.
1080P 6in a foot away from your face, you may be able to tell. But I'd agree that the resolution is over kill. A silly decision. It's just a waste of performance and battery life to run quadHD.
I have committed to nexus for obvious reasons. There are things I get with the Nexus line I can't get anywhere else. I don't want a 6" phone. But it's the current nexus.
I'll wait for reviews to hit (mainly anandtech) and see if there are any glaring issues.
I love my nexus 5 so much I could use it for another year or until Ara hits. Only complaint is battery size.
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No Android phone can top the iPhone when it comes to gaming. That's the primary reason why I always have an iPhone as well as Android. Playing the same game on my iPhone 6 and my Nexus 5, they always look and run better on the iPhone. Take a benchmark game like MC5- on Android a lot of the effects are turned off and it still runs better on the iPhone. Even the 5s had better gaming/graphics performance than the N5. I'd imagine it'll be the same thing with the N6.
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Apple's A7 SOC (iphone 5S) dominated most every benchmark. The A8 (so we are calling. We don't know the actual name) which is in iPhone 6 & 6+ is just the next generation of the same chip. It does very well and again dominates the benchmarks.
That doesn't mean a snapdragon 805 isn't good. It just means (in benchmarks at least) the A8 is better. However, we all know synthetics don't necessarily relate to real world use.
Apple is designing custom ARM chips for their own software in a closed system. Advantage Apple.
http://anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review
http://anandtech.com/show/8554/the-iphone-6-review
If you aren't reading anandtech reviews, you need to.
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You can't compare GPU benchmarks done at much different resolutions. It has a huge difference on FPS.
To quote one of your links:
Once again, the Galaxy Note 4's GPU performance line up quite closely with what we expect from the Adreno 420. However, due to the higher 1440p resolution the performance improvements from the Adreno 420 are relatively small or none at all unless the application renders at 1080p.
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You can't say their SoC dominates the 805 unless you do an apples to apples comparison using the same resolution. If you want to say the iPhone 6 performs better, than X you can. But you should note differences in resolution.
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I would probably say that the Nexus 6's biggest competitor is the OnePlus One. It offers high-end specs, not quite as high-end as the Note 4 but the differences are negligible. Granted, the Nexus 6 has a more premium build (in my opinion), OIS and is launching with Android L as opposed to waiting more than three months until the OnePlus One receives the L update. Furthermore, the Nexus 6 is going to be on more carriers, will probably have much better customer service, is easily available (once it's actually released) and hopefully won't be riddled with the bugs.]
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I had the OnePlus One and the Moto X 2014, which is what the Nexus 6 design is based on.
The primary reason why I sold both of my OnePlus are:
-Design
-Signal/call quality.
The phone wasn't comfortable to use due to it's design. The signal quality simply wasn't as good. It take a while for me to drive to work and I tend to stream YouTube podcasts over LTE while driving, I didn't get very good LTE signal with the OPO so I had to use 3G most of the time, even then it wasn't as smooth experience as the Moto X 2013 and 2014.
The OnePlus is a great device for the money no doubt, but Motorola design is my favorite at this point, it's wasn't that much smaller than the OPO but it's so much more comfortable to hold and use. The OnePlus have this somewhat "sharp" edges and it wasn't comfortable in the pocket.
The Nexus 6 uses the same Sony sensor as the OPO, while some people didn't think highly of it, I personally got amazing results from it, especially if you know how to tune your shutter speed and ISO level. I love the 4K DCI recording on it too, which unfortunately will not be available on the Nexus 6.
Also you have to deal with yellow screen issue which I got, I had to put the phone under UV light to fix it, but it didn't completely remove it. And if you have issues and need to do an RMA, I heard the experience wasn't very good. Motorola have some complains too, but not the at the same level as OPO.
I like what OnePlus have to offer so I'll look forward to their next phone. But honestly, I already know that most likely it will also be based off whatever the next Oppo flagship phone is, except with corner cuts, and it's probably going to be very big with capacitive buttons, which is not for me. The Nexus 6 is too big for me too, but I'm mainly interested in it to use as a tablet and back up phone, not as my daily driver.
italia0101 said:
Well for example gfx benchmark (onscreen) manhatten , pre release benchmark
Nexus 6 :11.6 fps (2560x1440)
Note 4 :11.1 (2560x1440)
Iphone 6+: 18.4 fps (1920 x 1080)
Obviously these benchmarks are much more stressful than actual games... As I said from 3-4 note reviews I've seen they mention the gaming performance to be excellent with every game they threw at it
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The N4 and N6 are running over 50% of the iPhone at a huge increase in pixels pushed......
They need to show apples and apples. If they all ran at 1080 the N4 and N6 would run circles around the iPhone 6
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You can't compare GPU benchmarks done at much different resolutions. It has a huge difference on FPS.
To quote one of your links:
You can't say their SoC dominates the 805 unless you do an apples to apples comparison using the same resolution. If you want to say the iPhone 6 performs better, than X you can. But you should note differences in resolution.
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Actually maybe half of those GPU benchmarks are "off screen". Which should remove any resolution handicap.
However, you are right. I discussed the SOC's themselves and then switched to device performance.
But the A8 is a serious chip. It competes with and possibly beats the 805 outright even when resolution is taken out of the equation.
No mention of Droid Turbo/Moto X Play?
This is looking like it will be the spec king of 2014.
Same specs as N6, but smaller screen (5.2), bigger battery (3900mah), and better camera (21mp)
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Huawei Mate 30 Pro, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Huawei Mate 30 Pro is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I'd like to love it
But I don't know if its worth buying yet? I really would like gmail
I've had my M30P imported from China for just under a week now at the time of writing this. Before that, I was using a P30P for 6 months.
My overall experience and feelings for it is very positive. It's my most favorite Huawei smartphone to date and I don't have too many complaints about it so I'll just be honest and upfront about everything I've personally liked and disliked.
There wasn't anything wrong with my P30P from before and I loved most things about the phone (which you'll see me reference it a lot in some of the points below) but the Chinese prices on the M30P and to be first in line for the latest updates for once just tempted me too much - I paid 5800¥ (which is about $820/€736/£634. I'll be basing most of my experiences and comparisons on the P30P as a result since it's the only other, closest rival phone I can match it against and I suspect a lot of people will want to know how they both stack up anyway
Display and Build Quality:
+ Display appears slightly brighter than the P30P with very punchy colours, contrast, deep blacks and decent sunlight readability. The panel isn't quite up there with the Note 10+ but it's still really good and you won't be disappointed.
+ No bezels or even much of a chin as the gorgeous looking waterfall display that spills on to the edges.
+ IP68 rated + equipped with Gorilla Glass 6 whereas the P30P didn't have any form of Gorilla Glass Protection, and the M20P had v5 (still worth putting a screen protector on though!)
+ I am a big fan of the (innovative?) virtual volume buttons that trigger when you double tap on the top left or right edges of the display
+ Supports *AOD* after a recent software update!
- Has a notch even though it's smaller than most other notches, including the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 (if you can count its giant forehead), as well as last year's M20P
- Doesn't have 90hz refresh rate despite some of the strong rumors and leaks that had been circulating around beforehand
Camera:
+ Consistently handles noise, artifacts and retains small details better than P30P in both daylight and night shots - this is due to the newer, improved ISP on a hardware level and camera tweaks on a software level.
+ Industry-leading best in class wide angle lens. It's huge f/1.8 aperture and the sensor size of 1/1.54" that really shows its prowess in both day time and night shots that no other competitor can currently go against at the moment. Let's not forget it defaults to pixel binning since it's actually outputting 10mp shots and the new ISP further enhances it (namely in dealing with noise). All in all, you get more preserved details in both the shadows and highlights, better colour balance, nicer dynamic range and the hardware front here really delivers in all aspects of the shooting conditions. I compared it with an iPhone 11 and a Note 10+ at my local Samsung and Apple stores respectively and the M30P's wide angle is just miles ahead better and I can't see other brands having a superior wide angle lens anytime soon.
+ Sometimes, in ideal lighting and certain scenarios, I will get even BETTER daytime shots on the wide angle than the main sensor as it's not RYYB and the fact that it's got an even bigger sensor size than that actually gives it some advantages to the main lens and compared to generally most other wide angle lens from other phones.
+ Video recording seem better stabilized, with less choppiness when panning around the scene and it can finally record 4k in 60FPS too due to the newer ISP. Wide angle video capture is miles better than the P30P's one due to the significantly superior hardware, especially in low light.
+ I love its quad rear camera design and its shiny ring more than similar rivals' implementations by the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 and even the M20P - just feel like saying it as I've grown to like it now!
+ ToF sensor feels slightly better than the one found in the P30P - my portrait mode shots and bokeh effects tend to be more precise with less clipping and better edge detection around subjects
+ 7680FPS video recording isn't just a stunt as it does work and is fun to use when you want to show off something cool and playful with it. No other smartphone in the industry comes close.
+ Night Mode shots with both the primary and wide angle lens has been improved further against the P30P which was already the king of low light - it captures the smaller details better (mainly only noticed when you zoom or crop in), has less noise and better colour balance in almost every shot I took in low light.
- Occasionally renders warm, red tinges to my photos when shooting with the primary main sensor, but rarely ever happens in all circumstances when using the wide angle sensor (most likely because it's not RYYB). Hopefully resolved with future software updates.
- No periscope 5x optical zoom and 50x digital zoom capability. You now get 3x optical and 3x digital instead which isn't entirely a dealbreaker as most people won't be using this all the time but I feel it needs to be said anyway.
- I've seen some minor lens flare that I did not ever seem to get on the P30P, or on any other phone I've owned to date.
- Front selfie camera has improved a bit from the P30P but it still applies a lot of digital make-up to my face and smooths out my skin a bit too much for my liking, and that's even with the beauty level set to the lowest in the UI. It's once again still not on the same league as the iPhone 11 or Note 10's front cameras.
- No super macro-mode for close up shots of up to 2.5cm from the subject which used to be found on the P30P - I understand this is due to the new sensors that no longer allow it
- Still lacks an automatic HDR toggle - you need to enable it manually each time under "More" in the camera settings
Battery life and Charging
+ Lasts really long due to the combination of the Kirin 990 on the newest 7nm+ EUV node, a massive 4500mAh battery which Huawei claim also uses "AI" to understand your usage patterns and potentially even being based on Android 10's behind-the-scenes battery optimizations/algorithms (I got more SOT than my P30P)
+ For me, the lack of GMS/Google Play Services definitely improved my battery life too
+ 40w supercharge which tops up the battery incredibly quick without overheating my phone (about 0-70% in 30mins just like before). I've also got a 40w Huawei SuperCharge power bank which is compatible with the M30P.
+ 27w wireless charging - I don't have a wireless charger to test but this makes it vastly superior to most wired charging speeds from other brands.
- "3x faster reverse wireless charging" is still largely a gimmick as it's not that much of an improvement from the previous gen (from 2.5W to 7.5w now) in every day practical use but I can see how it can be useful in emergency situations where even a few % can be useful for a friend if he/she doesn't have a portable charger
Performance and Software
+ Android 10 + UFS 3.0 (being used for the first time by Huawei) + 8GB of RAM = an extremely fluid, snappy and responsive system all-round with no lag!
+ I can still use most of my essential daily apps without Google Play Services by sideloading them, including Brave (which I prefer over Chrome anyway), Google Maps, Google Keyboard, Gmail (via the native Huawei mail handler), Instagram and WhatsApp
+ GPS accuracy in apps such as Google Maps, Cellular strength and mobile data speeds equally as fast and reliable as my P30P or if not slightly better from what I've noticed
+ Kirin 990 chipset performs well despite not using ARM's newest Cortex A77 cores, and shines in the battery life department and in games due to the optimizations to both the CPU +GPU
+ First in line to get the latest software updates if you purchase the Chinese LIO-AL00 model - I've already had 4 in less than a week and most were at least 1GB in size so they weren't all minor patches
- No Google Play Services out of the box, so you'll need to somehow restore your phone using HiSuite with a known working backup that has it or find alternative apps that don't rely on it
- My CN LIO-AL00 had a lot of bloatware that I couldn't easily uninstall and disable under the Settings, so I had to remove a lot of them via adb on my Desktop which took up a lot of time
- I still would've preferred the Kirin 990 to feature the newest A77 cores, as the upcoming Snapdragon 865 is guaranteed to have them (nonetheless the optimized A76s for power efficiency easily match and beat the 855+ in most areas
Audio quality
+ Phone call and speaker sound quality (especially at mid to higher volumes) feels a fair bit louder, fuller, clearer, richer and better balanced than the P30P
+ Audio capture when recording videos seems to be improved by a minor amount over the P30P
- Still has a single downwards firing speaker. Where's the dual stereo nowadays?
Other final thoughts:
+ Under display fingerprint sensor is incredibly fast and responsive - definitely ahead of the one in the P30P
+ Excellent build quality which is to be expected from another Huawei flagship - the whole device feels very premium and screams quality in the hands
+ Battery life is even better than the P30P which was already the Android battery champ!
+ Great price if you can somehow import it over from China - I paid 5800¥ for the 128GB model to a friend who brought it to me (approximately $820/€736/£634)
I hope people will find my well-balanced comparison helpful between the M30P and my P30P!
thanks you for your writing. i remember huawei advirtised is 2.5 cm close shoting super macro. which is very dissappointing for me. i like macro shots. And some reviewers in my country told that night photos are very bright and it makes the sceen very unrealist. Hope they fix this.
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thanks you for your writing. i remember huawei advirtised is 2.5 cm close shoting super macro. which is very dissappointing for me. i like macro shots. And some reviewers in my country told that night photos are very bright and it makes the sceen very unrealist. Hope they fix this.
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Night mode are just amazing and not much unrealistic for me
But yeah, super macro mode is msising and it's not a good move from huawei...
Does the M30P have an improved haptic vibration motor?
This is something that Samsung improved with the Note 10 series and it definitely makes a difference to the user experience.
Excellent screen, sound, battery and performance
I never was pleased this much with any phone everything is superb specially the camera! has anyone found a way to make google assistance s default or get rid of default home launcher ?
Ggffdd
Byte_76 said:
Does the M30P have an improved haptic vibration motor?
This is something that Samsung improved with the Note 10 series and it definitely makes a difference to the user experience.
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Coming from the following phones I've owned in the past years, I've noticed a slight improvement over all of them. It's definitely not a weak motor.
P30 Pro
Mate 20 Pro
Pixel 2 XL
Galaxy S8
Galaxy S6
Any chance you could give me a list of the bloat you removed?? don't want to take the wrong thing out with ADB and brick it.. Only thing I miss is having to keep pressing Google to voice activate, no big issue, and Google pay, now I have to carry a bank card everywhere
Those two little niggles aside its superb!
Cheers mate!
Great article btw!!
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I've had my M30P imported from China for just under a week now at the time of writing this. Before that, I was using a P30P for 6 months.
My overall experience and feelings for it is very positive. It's my most favorite Huawei smartphone to date and I don't have too many complaints about it so I'll just be honest and upfront about everything I've personally liked and disliked.
There wasn't anything wrong with my P30P from before and I loved most things about the phone (which you'll see me reference it a lot in some of the points below) but the Chinese prices on the M30P and to be first in line for the latest updates for once just tempted me too much - I paid 5800¥ (which is about $820/€736/£634. I'll be basing most of my experiences and comparisons on the P30P as a result since it's the only other, closest rival phone I can match it against and I suspect a lot of people will want to know how they both stack up anyway
Display and Build Quality:
+ Display appears slightly brighter than the P30P with very punchy colours, contrast, deep blacks and decent sunlight readability. The panel isn't quite up there with the Note 10+ but it's still really good and you won't be disappointed.
+ No bezels or even much of a chin as the gorgeous looking waterfall display that spills on to the edges.
+ IP68 rated + equipped with Gorilla Glass 6 whereas the P30P didn't have any form of Gorilla Glass Protection, and the M20P had v5 (still worth putting a screen protector on though!)
+ I am a big fan of the (innovative?) virtual volume buttons that trigger when you double tap on the top left or right edges of the display
+ Supports *AOD* after a recent software update!
- Has a notch even though it's smaller than most other notches, including the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 (if you can count its giant forehead), as well as last year's M20P
- Doesn't have 90hz refresh rate despite some of the strong rumors and leaks that had been circulating around beforehand
Camera:
+ Consistently handles noise, artifacts and retains small details better than P30P in both daylight and night shots - this is due to the newer, improved ISP on a hardware level and camera tweaks on a software level.
+ Industry-leading best in class wide angle lens. It's huge f/1.8 aperture and the sensor size of 1/1.54" that really shows its prowess in both day time and night shots that no other competitor can currently go against at the moment. Let's not forget it defaults to pixel binning since it's actually outputting 10mp shots and the new ISP further enhances it (namely in dealing with noise). All in all, you get more preserved details in both the shadows and highlights, better colour balance, nicer dynamic range and the hardware front here really delivers in all aspects of the shooting conditions. I compared it with an iPhone 11 and a Note 10+ at my local Samsung and Apple stores respectively and the M30P's wide angle is just miles ahead better and I can't see other brands having a superior wide angle lens anytime soon.
+ Sometimes, in ideal lighting and certain scenarios, I will get even BETTER daytime shots on the wide angle than the main sensor as it's not RYYB and the fact that it's got an even bigger sensor size than that actually gives it some advantages to the main lens and compared to generally most other wide angle lens from other phones.
+ Video recording seem better stabilized, with less choppiness when panning around the scene and it can finally record 4k in 60FPS too due to the newer ISP. Wide angle video capture is miles better than the P30P's one due to the significantly superior hardware, especially in low light.
+ I love its quad rear camera design and its shiny ring more than similar rivals' implementations by the iPhone 11, Pixel 4 and even the M20P - just feel like saying it as I've grown to like it now!
+ ToF sensor feels slightly better than the one found in the P30P - my portrait mode shots and bokeh effects tend to be more precise with less clipping and better edge detection around subjects
+ 7680FPS video recording isn't just a stunt as it does work and is fun to use when you want to show off something cool and playful with it. No other smartphone in the industry comes close.
+ Night Mode shots with both the primary and wide angle lens has been improved further against the P30P which was already the king of low light - it captures the smaller details better (mainly only noticed when you zoom or crop in), has less noise and better colour balance in almost every shot I took in low light.
- Occasionally renders warm, red tinges to my photos when shooting with the primary main sensor, but rarely ever happens in all circumstances when using the wide angle sensor (most likely because it's not RYYB). Hopefully resolved with future software updates.
- No periscope 5x optical zoom and 50x digital zoom capability. You now get 3x optical and 3x digital instead which isn't entirely a dealbreaker as most people won't be using this all the time but I feel it needs to be said anyway.
- I've seen some minor lens flare that I did not ever seem to get on the P30P, or on any other phone I've owned to date.
- Front selfie camera has improved a bit from the P30P but it still applies a lot of digital make-up to my face and smooths out my skin a bit too much for my liking, and that's even with the beauty level set to the lowest in the UI. It's once again still not on the same league as the iPhone 11 or Note 10's front cameras.
- No super macro-mode for close up shots of up to 2.5cm from the subject which used to be found on the P30P - I understand this is due to the new sensors that no longer allow it
- Still lacks an automatic HDR toggle - you need to enable it manually each time under "More" in the camera settings
Battery life and Charging
+ Lasts really long due to the combination of the Kirin 990 on the newest 7nm+ EUV node, a massive 4500mAh battery which Huawei claim also uses "AI" to understand your usage patterns and potentially even being based on Android 10's behind-the-scenes battery optimizations/algorithms (I got more SOT than my P30P)
+ For me, the lack of GMS/Google Play Services definitely improved my battery life too
+ 40w supercharge which tops up the battery incredibly quick without overheating my phone (about 0-70% in 30mins just like before). I've also got a 40w Huawei SuperCharge power bank which is compatible with the M30P.
+ 27w wireless charging - I don't have a wireless charger to test but this makes it vastly superior to most wired charging speeds from other brands.
- "3x faster reverse wireless charging" is still largely a gimmick as it's not that much of an improvement from the previous gen (from 2.5W to 7.5w now) in every day practical use but I can see how it can be useful in emergency situations where even a few % can be useful for a friend if he/she doesn't have a portable charger
Performance and Software
+ Android 10 + UFS 3.0 (being used for the first time by Huawei) + 8GB of RAM = an extremely fluid, snappy and responsive system all-round with no lag!
+ I can still use most of my essential daily apps without Google Play Services by sideloading them, including Brave (which I prefer over Chrome anyway), Google Maps, Google Keyboard, Gmail (via the native Huawei mail handler), Instagram and WhatsApp
+ GPS accuracy in apps such as Google Maps, Cellular strength and mobile data speeds equally as fast and reliable as my P30P or if not slightly better from what I've noticed
+ Kirin 990 chipset performs well despite not using ARM's newest Cortex A77 cores, and shines in the battery life department and in games due to the optimizations to both the CPU +GPU
+ First in line to get the latest software updates if you purchase the Chinese LIO-AL00 model - I've already had 4 in less than a week and most were at least 1GB in size so they weren't all minor patches
- No Google Play Services out of the box, so you'll need to somehow restore your phone using HiSuite with a known working backup that has it or find alternative apps that don't rely on it
- My CN LIO-AL00 had a lot of bloatware that I couldn't easily uninstall and disable under the Settings, so I had to remove a lot of them via adb on my Desktop which took up a lot of time
- I still would've preferred the Kirin 990 to feature the newest A77 cores, as the upcoming Snapdragon 865 is guaranteed to have them (nonetheless the optimized A76s for power efficiency easily match and beat the 855+ in most areas
Audio quality
+ Phone call and speaker sound quality (especially at mid to higher volumes) feels a fair bit louder, fuller, clearer, richer and better balanced than the P30P
+ Audio capture when recording videos seems to be improved by a minor amount over the P30P
- Still has a single downwards firing speaker. Where's the dual stereo nowadays?
Other final thoughts:
+ Under display fingerprint sensor is incredibly fast and responsive - definitely ahead of the one in the P30P
+ Excellent build quality which is to be expected from another Huawei flagship - the whole device feels very premium and screams quality in the hands
+ Battery life is even better than the P30P which was already the Android battery champ!
+ Great price if you can somehow import it over from China - I paid 5800¥ for the 128GB model to a friend who brought it to me (approximately $820/€736/£634)
I hope people will find my well-balanced comparison helpful between the M30P and my P30P!
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ssregitoss said:
thanks you for your writing. i remember huawei advirtised is 2.5 cm close shoting super macro. which is very dissappointing for me. i like macro shots. And some reviewers in my country told that night photos are very bright and it makes the sceen very unrealist. Hope they fix this.
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MACRO mode works wonderful but it is only available for the M30
The M30 Pro lacks this feature due to different camera setup - I had both models so I can testify this from my own experience,
Pretty much best hardware best camera one of the best battery life out now, bar none
alon3232 said:
MACRO mode works wonderful but it is only available for the M30
The M30 Pro lacks this feature due to different camera setup - I had both models so I can testify this from my own experience,
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Gosh... Personally I would expect m30pro to support super macro. I was expecting a software update will fix this.
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I bought my Mate 30 Pro on February 1th 2020, when it was launched in Romania. Since I preordered it, I received the phone bundled with the Freebuds 3, which are surprisingly good and I'm a music producer, hence I care about the sound I have, even though I'm only listening music on it occasionally. I have also received a $210 coupon discount which turned this 256 Gb version of the phone into a total no brainer. No macro shots hurts, true, but besides that, after a month of usage I can still say I'm very happy with it!
A worthy successor to the Mate 20 Pro
I like it. But what about love...I don't know. I am not quite sure about my feelings yet))
hello
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alon3232 said:
MACRO mode works wonderful but it is only available for the M30
The M30 Pro lacks this feature due to different camera setup - I had both models so I can testify this from my own experience,
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I know its being a year already lol....but how much camera quality differs between the vanilla & pro version?
I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
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Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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arsenal74 said:
I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
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it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
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Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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Certainly Huawei do have very good camera's and maybe a few features.
However there's big issues with updates.
After owning a Mate20Pro for a while, carrier updates were very very slow, it took my carrier 5 months to push out the second update. Sure there is a few ways to manually update without bootloader unlock or root, but these are tediously annoying processes, in most cases meaning a complete wipe of the phone.
And then you have the future of updates being released at all if the Huawei/Trump Ban keeps going.
So I guess its a matter of do you want updated or outdated firmware?
Do you want the availability of Google Apps in the future?
For me the I prefer the thought of having latest bug fixes and security updates maybe a few extra improvements.
With Huawei its a game of Russian Roulette.
Darkat70 said:
Certainly Huawei do have very good camera's and maybe a few features.
However there's big issues with updates.
After owning a Mate20Pro for a while, carrier updates were very very slow, it took my carrier 5 months to push out the second update. Sure there is a few ways to manually update without bootloader unlock or root, but these are tediously annoying processes, in most cases meaning a complete wipe of the phone.
And then you have the future of updates being released at all if the Huawei/Trump Ban keeps going.
So I guess its a matter of do you want updated or outdated firmware?
Do you want the availability of Google Apps in the future?
For me the I prefer the thought of having latest bug fixes and security updates maybe a few extra improvements.
With Huawei its a game of Russian Roulette.
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Totally agree, it's a guessing game with the latest Huawei devices. Their EMUI is improved but it's still buggy especially with regards to background apps. Additionally, even though there's plenty of concerns with what Google's doing with your data, those concerns are minor compared to Huawei. I don't want my data in China's hands. It's common knowledge the Chinese government is deeply involved with piracy and hacking worldwide and there are legitimate issues with Huawei's ability to keep it's/your data out of their reach. Yes, Huawei has stated on numerous occasions they never share data with the Chinese Government but I'm far from convinced.
The issue is only really with new models the P30 and previous have Google apps and get updates.
Honestly I prefer the S10 plus but where it matters (camera, radio and audio quality) the P30 is better.
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The issue is only really with new models the P30 and previous have Google apps and get updates.
Honestly I prefer the S10 plus but where it matters (camera, radio and audio quality) the P30 is better.
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For Now they do, until Huawei decide they can't be bothered. And theres also the problem with delayed updates.
Like Optus took 5 months after the release to push out the first update for the Mate 20Pro, i spoke with Optus and Huawei, both blamed each other for the delay, when really it was Huawei whom did not release the firmware to Optus.
Interesting you write this, as I upgraded to a S10+ but still use my mate pro 10 for camera work as it's better quality in my opinion, and the battery life on a 2 1/2 year phone is better than my S10+.
There are things that I am enjoying about this phone but it was certainly a shorter than expected honeymoon period with it
arsenal74 said:
I’ll kick off by saying that I am genuinely not trolling and I really want to like the Samsung S10 plus, I have the ceramic one and it is the nicest in-hand phone and a joy to pick up, it also has a slightly wider screen that I prefer as the P30 Pro can feel slightly narrow and cramped in comparison and I appreciate the higher resolution even if I only really notice it on text if I look really hard.* OneUI is ok these days and it does have a lot of features that I like built in too and it has a headphone jack!
*
it is almost my perfect phone however, the thing is that I actually have a bit of love/hate relationship with it and I have come to think that the P30 Pro is maybe just a better all round phone even if it too has it’s annoyances, **YMMV but for me and here is why:
*
Bluetooth audio - The P30 pro fully supports higher quality Bluetooth audio, the S10 does not.* The S10 defaults to ‘Best Effort’ you can select the ‘Balanced’ 660 kbps setting but you have to do this via developer settings EVERY TIME as it resets back to best effort. The highest quality 990 kbps option whilst selectable is choppy and not useable at all though.* On the P30 Pro, the highest quality option is available, works well and the LDAC settings have actually been put into the normal settings too and stick.* Win win!
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Camera - The P30 pro camera is significantly better than the S10 and the S10 plus camera is IMO very very disappointing, probably my biggest issue with the phone.* The smudged detail is there all the time although in good light you do have to pixel peep to see it but in medium to lower light the P30 pro just wipes the floor with it, no contest.* Also in medium to low light blurry images are common if there is even the slightest movement in the scene, looking at the exif the S10 always chooses a lower shutter speed than for the same scene, I am assuming this is to try keep the ISO as low as possible.* I think the main hardware is un-changed from the S9 and it shows, Samsung is just not as capable as Google with the computational stuff.** The camera on the P30 pro is just great and has the added cherry on the cake of the 5x zoom too.* Maybe Samsung will up it’s game with the S11/S20 but for me there is no doubt they have fallen behind by skimping on the hardware.
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Battery – The P30 pro is just better. The S10 is ok but still has that signature Samsung standby drain, they just love draining power when sitting there doing nothing.
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Signal (Mobile & WiFi)* -* The P30 pro has the better radio(s) by a large margin.* The S10 is terrible on both mobile and wifi and*in a tough coverage area (my current house) The P30 pro will be on circa -100db and perfectly useable, the S10 -119db or worse and struggling.
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Ultimately the camera and audio quality are the biggies for me, but the radio issue is also a daily annoyance. *The P30 pro has it’s own issues, I wish it had a higher-res screen (although local dimming to avoid PWM is a bonus), EMUI is an acquired taste and one ui is slightly slicker but overall it is hard to argue that for my use at least it does the most important things better.
Interested in the thoughts of anybody else on here who has owned both.
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I know this is quite old but i dont think i have idle drain on s10+ exynos but i read many had it in the past. It must have been fixed before august 2020 when i bought the phone.
Its quite funny about the camera because i am usually annoyed that s10+ actually doesnt wanna go below 1/50 and increases ISO instead. For example in metro i end up with a shot 1/50 ISO 640 where as it could have been idk 1/20 ISO 200. So they never come out blurry for me because phone prefers fast shutter speed(though a bit soft cuz high ISO). You kinda made me apperciate faster shutter more now . I guess it was updated after you got rid of your phone?
Battery is pretty good imo. Its really good unless im gaming(dead by daylight, very heavy). Then its about 3-3.5hours which is fine i suppose.
About the smudged images.. That was one of the things i was scared most when buying this phone. But after using it for months, (even in the first days) smudge didnt bother me as much as i thought it would. Photos always look amazing overall, white balance, exposure, HDR does a good job. And detail is good enough as well. But side by side im sure p30 would be slightly more detailed. (Though p30 is 10MP so maybe they would be equal?)
When i was shopping for s10+ the biggest contender was p30 for me, it was 1/3 cheaper and 3x optical zoom but what put me off was the colors that came out from the sensors.. In anandtechs review p30 series had serious white balance/color issues and i was really put off by that. And the reason they said was the red blue yellow sensor which gathers more light but has trouble with colors since yellow isnt a main color. Maybe it might have been fixed by now? But i couldnt take the risk of whether it could or would be fixed since it does look like hardware limitation.
About wifi, i do have some wifi related problems, sometimes i have to restart apps for wifi to work for them.
And s10+ uses high gamma at minimum brightness which causes black clipping. It can be fixed for youtube app but if you play a dark game like dead by daylight at min brightness, you will have a lot of trouble on s10+.
Tbh i should have bought mi10 for myself haha. s10+ is a good phone for sure but like you said every phone has its advantages and disadvantages. And i apparently didnt know what i really should have been paying attention to. I was really focused on camera but to be real all flagships have great camera, i obsessed over it for no reason. Mi10 has way better performance and it has a gamma slider and its manual brightness is much higher. (I did a hdr bug on s10+ which allows screen to go much brighter but works only on android 10 so i cant update if i want to keep using it.. also s10+ dims when gaming after it heats up but think mi10 doesnt? Which would make gaming in front of a bright window better but at least 700 nits whenever i want is really good)
Okay i did go off topic a bit sorry. Anyways have a great day xD