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Just read a tweet from Eldar murtazin, who is generally well informed, and today he wrote sonething very disturbing.
Samsung seems to have stopped the production on the wave and the galaxy s due to super amoled screen shortage.
This is nothing short of a disaster for all of us hoping to see the galaxy s being supported with froyo and beyond i guess. (or even cyanogenmod for that matter...)
I really hope this is just a temporarely thing, just as with the droid incedible....what do you guys think?
cant produce the phone when there is no screens for it... so ofc they will once they have a stock
In this case, sell the phone. No big deal.
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this is their best selling phone, and the only real competition againts iphone
i doubt they will stop producing it completely
it'll just be on hold until they get more stock of SAMOLED
they did the same to HTC Desire
but instead of waiting for new stock HTC decided to use another type of screen
as soon as HTC did the change the Desire suddently became less desirable
@allgamer
I hope you are right about that but this would explain why you cant find any SGS here in Edmonton or in Canada at all from what I understand which sucks if you brick and need replacement, etc.
Also, do you think that this issue will delay the FROYO release to those of us who already have the phone?
according to Eldar, they sold their last batch of SAMOLED screens to Apple, who is making a product for next year with our screens in it!
now, i really hate Apple!
they see that retina alone isn't enough, so close the deal with Sammy!
i hope this won't kill Samsungs ambitions to become the biggest brand above Nokia!
yes, they are mostly back ordered even in Toronto as well, the sales are good, it's like iphone always sold out.
froyo has nothing to do with the factory side
froyo will come when the coders are done fixing the bugs and get things working properly
Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
"ANYMORE" is not the word! Why make such confusion?
Its a break in production due to shortage of SAMOLED screens.
Rename topic PLX
andrewluecke said:
Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
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You actually believe that? Apple does it deliberately to make the product more desirable, simple as. They like to see people queueing up 12 hours before a product is launched outside of their shops, good publicity etc.
As the the Super AMOLED rumour, it is just that, a rumour, like most things I see written on the internet. Isn't it samsung who actually produce these screens? And there is a shortage? I dont buy it...
Then again though, I wouldnt trust samdung as far as I could throw them.
That would explain shortage of SGS in Poland.... Especially with one carrier that has best prices for it.... I'm searching this phone for about 1,5 months...
by the way, this can't be true anyways
else the new launch this month on Rogers network will fail completely if that was true
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792270
They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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then it'll be a waste, it'll go the way the Desire did, and it will cease to be a Galaxy S
it'll probably be released as a new model Galaxy sub S
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They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
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Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
It's probably just a shortage, they couldn't keep up with HTC's demand for it, and they probably can;t keep up with their own...maybe they didn't truly believe the SGS would be such a success
Logicalstep
I was told from the importers/Saturn that Samsung Galaxy S were empty and Samsung are going to make more Samsung Galaxy S. They told me that people were crazy for Samsung Galaxy S and that's why the stock were empty.
the news and my phone store sources confirms the same, the SGS just sells really really good.
the 16 GB model is always the hardest to get, i did post a topic about it a while back
8 GB models are easier to find, but who would want less?
same reason why 8 GB are easier to find than the 16 GB models
now of course, for Cellphone carriers models those sizes are locked, you don't really get to chose
only the unlocked models you can choose to buy in 8 or 16
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
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"Samsung's Super AMOLED is a variant of AMOLED technology in which the layer which detects touch is integrated into the touchscreen display rather than being overlaid on top. This results in a thinner device and improved outdoor performance."
LCD tech will never be able to match AMOLED blacks, but there's still the "issue" with PenTile RGBR matrix. Red font on black for instance? Looks horrible. Text in general is its achilles heel. Video, images (well, not B&W perhaps ) and graphics looks amazing though.
Hey All,
I'm having a very hard time deciding whether to get the HTC HD7 or the Samsung Focus and was wondering if any of you could help out.
I'm going to post this in the HTC HD7 Forum as well to get their side of things so I mainly want to know from the Focus owner's side of the story.
HTC HD7
Large 4.3" Screen (the main reason I want to get it)
Really nice design - mainly screen (Focus has too much plastic around the screen)
16GB Built in memory with option to void warranty and upgrade
Kickstand which will be useful since there are no docks available.
Dual LED flash - not too important for me as I hear the HD7 camera isn't too great.
Heavier than the Focus - seriously, I do prefer a denser phone
Comes with free GPS Navigation Software.
Samsung Focus
Amazing 4" SAMOLED display (although it is smaller than the HD7). I have a Zune HD and the quality of that screen is amazing.
Design is OK, a little plasticky for my taste
Very light, this is an advantage (even though I prefer a denser phone) as it is less noticeable in your pocket.
8GB NAND memory which appears to be much, much faster than the HD7 with the option to upgrade to 40GB with a 32GB card without voiding warranty. 16GB is probably enough for me but 8GB is definitely too small.
Now my decision is even harder because I will not be able to see the devices until I buy one as I live in South Africa and will be getting a relative to send the device out to me. I will be immigrating to the US in less than a years time so if I get the HD7 I will be going with T-Mobile and if I get the Focus I will be going with AT&T as my SP. (Is one better / cheaper than the other?)
I hope you guys can provide me with some information to sway me either way
Thanks,
Jonno
I played around with both phones a decent amount before purchasing, and I went with the Focus because I find the color on the screen to be that much better compared to the HTC WP7 phones, which appear washed out to me with bad viewing angles. The 4inch screen is the sweet spot for me as well, between the common screen sizes. I find 4.3 just a little too big, bordering unpocketable. Also, the option to expand the memory(not currently a smooth process) was a big selling point. I had a Nexus One and generally like build quality from HTC, but I felt the screen and camera on the HD7 were a bit of a letdown from what I previously had with the company. I don't find the Focus' body to feel cheap at all, but I did prefer the weight on the HD7, so that was a semi difficult concession to make.
As for providers, T-Mobile is generally cheaper from what I've seen, especially if you're coming to them with a phone you already purchased. Generally it's $20~ dollars less than if you had a subsidized phone. AT&T is probably the most expensive, tied with Verizon. I would probably just go with whichever carrier was best in your area. There's little point in having a great phone with 0 service.
Wat u need to do is just try to follow what uncle bill done, the focus
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5.3" super AMOLED
1.4 ghz dual-core
2500 mAh battery
Stylus
1280x800 resolution!!!
Until a few days ago we'd heard surprisingly little about the Galaxy Note, a handset rumored to be launching alongside the Galaxy Tab 7.7 and Wave 3 at IFA. It's ironic, really, because of all the phones to have kept a low profile, this is a memorable one. Behold, a 5.3-inch handset with a stowaway pen for note-taking, drawing and grabbing screen captures. In other words, a Dell Streak-esque hunk of a device that blurs the lines between phone and tablet. You're looking at a Gingerbread-running HSPA+ handset with a 1280 x 800 Super AMOLED display, dual 8MP and 2MP cameras, a removable 2,500mAh battery and the same Samsung-made dual-core 1.4GHz processor you'll find in the just-announced Galaxy Tab 7.7. For a phone this gargantuan, it's actually quite thin at light, at 9.65mm (0.38 inches) thick and a reasonable 178 grams (6.3 ounces). We had a few minutes to handle the phone in advance of today's press conference, and found it surprisingly easy to grip, even in our small hands. As with the Infuse 4G --whose own 4.5-inch screen once seemed impossibly sprawling -- the thin shape makes it tenable, as does the lightweight, textured plastic lining the back.
As you'd expect, Android 2.3 comes layered with TouchWiz on top and, in this case, seven home screens and a touch-optimized interface dubbed "S Pen" designed to take advantage of that pen. These include S Planner, a native calendar and to-do list app, from which you can drag and drop appointments, changing time slots without having to open an entry. S Memo for note-taking, meanwhile, accepts voice, photo, text and handwritten input. We also got a quick glimpse of Virtual Whiteboard, a more collaborative form of note-taking. On top of that, Samsung says it's releasing the S Pen SDK to third-party developers, and the company's banking on more apps for organizing photos and drawing, among other things. For now, this is merely a global launch: Samsung says it's still in discussions with carriers worldwide, so depending on your neck of the woods it might be awhile before you hear anything definitive about pricing or availability. Find the some fancy press shots (and a promo vid) after the break, and stay tuned for our hands-on.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/samsung-galaxy-note-official-5-3-inch-super-amoled-display-s/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3aDjjC-y0
This is my next phone... if it really becomes available.
Love it, I think. Was just gonna post the same link.
I wonder how the size of the overall device compares to our Streaks...
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This is great news. I like my streak but there are so many reasons to be excited for the samasung note. It trumps the dell in every way technically, definitely a superphone! Any info on release date or retail price? Hopefully, this is on T-Mob and there is a contract discount ^_^.
Could that be an optical scroll pad? That is unusual.
Nuthin' beats square inches.....
178 grams - pretty impressive.
Much uglier than the Streak, but if there
won't be any Opus One, I might go for it.
It also about the same thickness. I'm super stoked about the 1280x800 screen.
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Love it, I think. Was just gonna post the same link.
I wonder how the size of the overall device compares to our Streaks...
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I would prefer to have the same size of streak, it is exactly fit my pocket, however will wait to see if it is a slightly bigger I would go with it.
Televinken said:
178 grams - petty impressive.
Much uglier than the Streak, but if there
won't be any Opus One, I might go for it.
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I will never go for another Dell Mobile. In my point of view, Samsung the best ever mobile industry with their frequently support and updates.
This looks amazing!!! defo my next phone after the streak, think I might start saving for it now :-D
I'm really interested. Honestly, I'm pretty much checked out of ever owning another Dell product in general. I haven't seen quality from them in awhile, whether that be support (in most cases) or the actual device.
I'm setting my sights on getting a Samsung phone of one flavor or another very soon.
what really bothers me is the lack of LED notification lights. it's the thing I hate most on the streak and I'd hate alot to buy another phone with this very stupid flaw. and sammy is well known for this particular stupidity...
The only down side is the old pentile technology being used for the screen. Its dimension should be similar to streak due to the narrower edge.
iT iS Me said:
I would prefer to have the same size of streak, it is exactly fit my pocket, however will wait to see if it is a slightly bigger I would go with it.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4135&idPhone2=3353
I would definitely go for the Opus One if it actually exists, but until then this is first on my wish list...
Oh look samsung can do 850/900/1900/2100 on a single device, that's EU+US models combined on the streak. Why is it so uncommon?
It's only 3.9mm wider too, so 5.3 vs 5.0 isnt THAT bad.
Previously i wasnt interested in it as 5.0 is already large but 3.9mm doesnt sound that bad.
Might be a good full stop streak replacement, keep in mind hardware wise it's prob pretty similar to it's SGSII cousins and rom support >might< not be such an uphill struggle like with s5
Though the other specs isnt a fair comparison as it's a full year older, excluding your preference for samoled/pentile issues it's pretty much a straight upgrade to s5 it seems. basically what we expect from opus one without having dell screw it up (does having another manufactor design/build/release your phone for your count? )
1280x800 on 5.3"? that by itself sounds crazy, that's 284dpi, even with the wonkiness of amoled -> pixel count that's a lot
New Samsung Fanboy!
Never really got into the Samsung gear, BUT THIS!
They answered our prayers!
OK, I do wish it was LCD instead of AMOLED so I don't have to use black themes to save battery and avoid burn-ins. That's prolly one of my biggest problem wth Samsung, their fixation with the AMOLED screens.
this is slightly interesting, but what lcd density will they have to run on this thing 140? oww my eyes...!
So it's actually SHORTER than the streak? I have been hoping to get as close to the 5" screen as I could, but I never dreamed of getting bigger!
HTC better hurry, or this will be my Christmas present to myself!
If they market this thing half as well as the Galaxy Tab, it will be very popular! Then hopefully heads will roll @ Dell, cuz they invented the thing...
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Keep in mind the streak tapers off near the top and bottom, the new samsung doesnt, or rather it's less pronounced.
Think on the streak where it starts to curve and chop off that curving part at both ends and it's about the same size.
The important part is it's not massively wider, it's 0.3 inchs larger screen with only 0.15 inches wider. Unless you have very long fingers the streak is already hard to use one handed reaching for the far end.
4.5 is about as large as you can easily use one handed depending on the size of the bezel. The streak is by no means hard, it simply could be easier.
It's also strangely lighter, the streak is already deceptively light for it's weight (i dont know if it ACTUALLY is light for it's weight, but it feels plenty light) they coulda crammed in more battery and made it fatter, both phones are really thin for being so large
How about the 2500 mAh battery! That's bigger than the EXTENDED battery on my streak that makes it as thick as a brick!
The stylus seems a little goofy, but the the Streak is the first phone I've had in a long time that didn't have one. I wonder if that means that the screen will react to any touch?
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I also like that it's defaulted to portrait unlike the Streak.
The nicest phone I've ever seen!
The story so far: I've had just about every Galaxy Tab 7" - from the Original, to the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, to the GT 7.7. I also have a Galaxy S3 and a Note 2. I love the Note 2 and when it was announced there would be a Note 8 I was excited that I'd be able to go to one device that was the 8" and have the phone capability that would work w/ my smartwatch and headset. They had to make a worthy successor to the 7.7, so I picked up the 8 the other week.
I am on the fence whether I keep the Note 8 or not - when I use my 7.7, I can't help but feel that the 8 could have been so much better.
That 7.7's Super AMOLED Plus screen has sex with my eyes, the Note 8 screen is ok, but it's strikingly obvious when you hold them side by side. Let's face it, on a tablet, the screen is a major factor of your experience/enjoyment and even though it would have been nice to have a higher resolution, I really miss the deep black for contrast to the vibrant popping colors. Also miss the battery savings from AMOLED when using dark backgrounds and UIs. Plus the 7.7 screen didn't have the pentile problems of other AMOLED screens.
The build quality, metal back, and thinness of the 7.7 was actually pretty nice for its generation. So many people overlooked it and now that Samsung has gone to the all plastic back like their phones it just feels less nice (not as important as I cover with a case anyway).
The 7.7 was just on the upper boundaries of fitting in some of my jacket/back pockets - the 8 definitely no longer fits in some of them and sort of hinders my use of being able to stick it in a pocket and not carry around a tablet bag (man purse).
What I was hoping for with the 8 was the current OS, stylus, HW guts of what they released but kept the build materials/quality and screen of the 7.7. Also wish they released the phone capable one on my carrier Verizon in the US - that would have been everything I wanted.
Has anyone else come from the 7.7 w/ the Super AMOLED Plus screen?
My path is 7.7->note 10.1->note 8
I agree the 7.7 display and build are at a higher level, but it also was very expensive +50% above note 8 here. The 10.1 and 8 have so many other features I don't mind the display regression.
Those 2 devices mixed would be an incredible device. If it had a good display (just equal the 7.7 even) and 3g/4g I'd sell my note 2 and be completely device satisfied.
I agree that the Tab 7.7 was/is a great device and display, and Samsung's best overall build-quality in a mobile device to this date. Unfortunately, Samsung priced it WAY out of the market to be considered by the general public and iPad users, and even very few of us geeks considered it because of the price alone. I also wish that they had the foresight to have slimmed down the long side bezels (like the iPad Mini) so that it would still fit in my pocket like the original Tab 7. At the time, the size and pocketability, and 3g/phone capabilities, were major advantages to me over the 9.7" iPads.
When the 7.7 came out I was ecstatic about the SA display and the build quality, but I was like, "Nooooooooooooooooo" when I found out the width and that it would no longer fit into my pockets. The original Tab 7 could and would go with me everywhere! The iPad 9.7 and Tab 7.7 would not.
Having used the Note 8.0, I agree about the display (as compared to the Tab 7.7), but it's not really that bad or noticeable unless you compare them side by side. You can also dim the screen on the Note 8.0 so it is barely lit for night viewing/reading in the dark. I also love the weight, balance, and bezels on the Note 8.0 because it is the most comfortable Tablet I've held to date. However, I would love to see how it feels (ergonomically) in hand and in day-to-day use with slimmer side bezels, so it might be possible to fit in my pockets!
I guess I don't think about price too much if the device meets my needs. I got the 7.7 for the same price I bought my Note 8 on a company discount, but there are still many people that think the $399 usd they want for the Note 8 is too high. There are rumors of a higher end successor to the 7.7, but without the stylus, I'm afraid I'd be again disappointed from having an "almost perfect" device.
bbfoto said:
However, I would love to see how it feels (ergonomically) in hand and in day-to-day use with slimmer side bezels, so it might be possible fit in my pockets!
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Looked at the GN8 Wi-Fi today, and where my Galaxy Tab fit easily into my pockets, the GN8 just barely squeezed into it. Add a case and I doubt it will fit. Which is a big shame.
I do wish they had slimmed down the bezels. Doesn't really need to be so big =/
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I guess I don't think about price too much if the device meets my needs. I got the 7.7 for the same price I bought my Note 8 on a company discount, but there are still many people that think the $399 usd they want for the Note 8 is too high. There are rumors of a higher end successor to the 7.7, but without the stylus, I'm afraid I'd be again disappointed from having an "almost perfect" device.
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^Agreed. Personally, I don't think that the $399 price is too much for what the Note 8.0 WiFi offers. But I think in the general public's eyes, $399 IS too much. They don't understand the unique features, they just think, "it's an 8-inch tablet with a bunch of icons/apps" and they are probably more familiar with iOS apps.
First thing they see when comparing at the store...the build quality compared to the lower priced iPad Mini. In their head..."why should I pay more for the 8-inch Hyundai when I can have a beautiful 8-inch Porsche for less?" The iPad Mini is thinner, it's smaller overall, and sleeker. It's an Apple. Oh, and it's $70 less.
$330 and $400 are a big difference in the consumer's mind. Again, they don't compare the unique features, they are both just 8" screens with icons. (We know know the real difference.)
I think $349.99 would have been the better price for the Note 8.0. It's still quite a bit below that psychological "$400" mark. And then people could rationalize that, "okay, I'll get a slightly sharper screen and a stylus for just $20 more than the iPad Mini. Cool." But then there's that build quality/premium feel of the iPad Mini. Is the S-Pen enough to make a difference? "Hell, the kids will probably just lose the stylus anyway!" So iPad Mini it is.
Unfortunately, at least in the stores, Samsung doesn't do a good job of making the unique features known.
Research shows that A LOT of people use their tablets while watching TV. If a store display (especially at Best Buy where they sell a boatload of HDTVs) demonstrated the Note 8.0 IR Blaster as the [email protected] Universal Remote that it is, I think that a lot of people would have that "Holy Sheit" moment..."this is awesome, we could get rid of all of our stupid remotes!"..."just wait 'til the guys see this at our next Monday Night Football GTG!" And how many of us have TVs in our bedroom, and also use our tablets to read while in bed? Just another use case scenario.
...anyway, I would LOVE to see a 1080P, non-pentile Super-AMOLED Plus display in a Note 8.0 with thinner side bezels! Samsung, are you listening?
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leginag said:
Looked at the GN8 Wi-Fi today, and where my Galaxy Tab fit easily into my pockets, the GN8 just barely squeezed into it. Add a case and I doubt it will fit. Which is a big shame.
I do wish they had slimmed down the bezels. Doesn't really need to be so big =/
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Yeah. Sorry, mate. It's frustrating because it just needs to be trimmed by 5mm or so.
I suspect the extra bezel all around is to fit more battery...which is important, but...
People, the bezel size is to combat erroneous touches while holding the device. Seriously, its one of the BIGGEST gripes about the iPad Mini, and I, for one, greatly welcome smartly sized bezels. There is literally no reason to slim the bezels on a tablet.
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^Agreed. Personally, I don't think that the $399 price is too much for what the Note 8.0 WiFi offers. But I think in the general public's eyes, $399 IS too much. They don't understand the unique features, they just think, "it's an 8-inch tablet with a bunch of icons/apps" and they are probably more familiar with iOS apps.
First thing they see when comparing at the store...the build quality compared to the lower priced iPad Mini. In their head..."why should I pay more for the 8-inch Hyundai when I can have a beautiful 8-inch Porsche for less?" The iPad Mini is thinner, it's smaller overall, and sleeker. It's an Apple. Oh, and it's $70 less.
$330 and $400 are a big difference in the consumer's mind. Again, they don't compare the unique features, they are both just 8" screens with icons. (We know know the real difference.)
I think $349.99 would have been the better price for the Note 8.0. It's still quite a bit below that psychological "$400" mark. And then people could rationalize that, "okay, I'll get a slightly sharper screen and a stylus for just $20 more than the iPad Mini. Cool." But then there's that build quality/premium feel of the iPad Mini. Is the S-Pen enough to make a difference? "Hell, the kids will probably just lose the stylus anyway!" So iPad Mini it is.
Unfortunately, at least in the stores, Samsung doesn't do a good job of making the unique features known.
Research shows that A LOT of people use their tablets while watching TV. If a store display (especially at Best Buy where they sell a boatload of HDTVs) demonstrated the Note 8.0 IR Blaster as the [email protected] Universal Remote that it is, I think that a lot of people would have that "Holy Sheit" moment..."this is awesome, we could get rid of all of our stupid remotes!"..."just wait 'til the guys see this at our next Monday Night Football GTG!" And how many of us have TVs in our bedroom, and also use our tablets to read while in bed? Just another use case scenario.
...anyway, I would LOVE to see a 1080P, non-pentile Super-AMOLED Plus display in a Note 8.0 with thinner side bezels! Samsung, are you listening?
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Yeah. Sorry, mate. It's frustrating because it just needs to be trimmed by 5mm or so.
I suspect the extra bezel all around is to fit more battery...which is important, but...
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It's really time to drop all of the Ipad Mini price comparisons. For starters, the Note 8 is not an Ipad Mini competitor and was never intended to be. If you are going to use the automotive comparison, then the iPad mini is a car and the Note 8 is more of an SUV. Two different vehicles that serve 2 different needs, but can overlap if necessary.
If Samsung wanted the make an Ipad mini competitor, they would have, but the Note 8 is in it's own category. As far as the price, you have no idea about the actual profit margins of the Note 8, so you can't possibly decide the appropriate price point.
To put it simply, if all you want is Youtube and Angry Birds, this tablet is not for you. This tablet is only for people who have use for the Wacom stylus and can justify the price point for it. It is not going to steal any sales away from the ipad and was never intended to.
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First thing they see when comparing at the store...the build quality compared to the lower priced iPad Mini. In their head..."why should I pay more for the 8-inch Hyundai when I can have a beautiful 8-inch Porsche for less?" The iPad Mini is thinner, it's smaller overall, and sleeker. It's an Apple. Oh, and it's $70 less.
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But what if the Hyundai actually has more horsepower and more features? The iPad Mini only has 512 MB RAM compared to the N8's 2 GB. And of course the N8 has the pen digitizer and removable SD. Not important to everybody, but these features are really important to others.
And of course its a completely different OS and ecosystem. The iPad, any iPad, was never a serious contender to me. Ever.
Now of course many of your points are right when talking about the average Joe (who could probably care less about what I just said, if they even understood it at all). But the N8 is pretty clearly aimed at a niche market of enthusiasts, not the masses. If average Joe just wants a cheap gimped device as an introduction to the tablet world, they can buy a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0. The N8 is aimed at those that want more.
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sputnik767 said:
It's really time to drop all of the Ipad Mini price comparisons. For starters, the Note 8 is not an Ipad Mini competitor and was never intended to be. If you are going to use the automotive comparison, then the iPad mini is a car and the Note 8 is more of an SUV. Two different vehicles that serve 2 different needs, but can overlap if necessary.
If Samsung wanted the make an Ipad mini competitor, they would have, but the Note 8 is in it's own category. As far as the price, you have no idea about the actual profit margins of the Note 8, so you can't possibly decide the appropriate price point.
To put it simply, if all you want is Youtube and Angry Birds, this tablet is not for you. This tablet is only for people who have use for the Wacom stylus and can justify the price point for it. It is not going to steal any sales away from the ipad and was never intended to.
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Well put. We are clearly on the same page.
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As far as the title of this thread, not everyone likes AMOLED. I've seen many folks on XDA comment that they find the artificially saturated colors and contrast on AMOLED screens nearly unbearable, and can't stand AMOLED (and actually avoid it on purpose). Of course, its a matter of individual taste and preference. I personally don't feel strongly either way, and think the screen on the N8 is just great.
As for "why", I assume that Sammy saved a few bucks using TFT instead, to offset the price of the pen digitizer and keep the price where they wanted it.
I've said my piece about the screen several times, it is what it is and not good enough for my needs, but for those mentioning hand feel/weight I'd highly suggest picking up a demo at the store. I think that's one of the best things about it. It's weighted about perfectly for a device like this. Any more pocketable and you're basically back at the note 2.
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It's really time to drop all of the Ipad Mini price comparisons. For starters, the Note 8 is not an Ipad Mini competitor and was never intended to be. If you are going to use the automotive comparison, then the iPad mini is a car and the Note 8 is more of an SUV. Two different vehicles that serve 2 different needs, but can overlap if necessary.
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No No your completely wrong, the ipad mini is like a set of directional summer tires rated vr with some cool tread pattern and the extended road hazard warranty. The note 8.0 is like a big set of nobby mud tires, maybe 35's.
That explains the difference perfectly........
OH wait, no its more like the ipad mini is a strawberry ice cream cake, with flowers on it, and maybe a little toy on the top, and the galaxy note is more like a chocolate shake, with sprinkles and whipped cream....
No, wait I have a better one.......
The ipad mini is like my roommate Ernies rubber ducky, and the galaxy note 8.0 is like my pet pigeon Bernise.
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No No your completely wrong, the ipad mini is like a set of directional summer tires rated vr with some cool tread pattern and the extended road hazard warranty. The note 8.0 is like a big set of nobby mud tires, maybe 35's.
That explains the difference perfectly........
OH wait, no its more like the ipad mini is a strawberry ice cream cake, with flowers on it, and maybe a little toy on the top, and the galaxy note is more like a chocolate shake, with sprinkles and whipped cream....
No, wait I have a better one.......
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I can see this new device forum is already shaping up with some comic relief!
Always a good things, as these discussions can often get a little too serious . . .
^Your One X (and now the HTC One) have one of the best displays I've ever seen. Being a photographer, I ultimately prefer neutral & natural color balance, and a wide color gamut. But some days the deep blacks, contrast, and color of my Captivate, SGS2, Note1, Note 2, and Tab 7.7 screens wow me.
LOL at the responses. You guys are a passionate group, and for good reason.
As stated in my posts, my comments were clearly regarding the Average Joe consumer and how it relates to Samsung's and Android's market share and perception in the general consumer marketplace. We here at xda are a different breed.
I'm an Android user through and through. My last iDevice was the iPhone 3G. I have way more beefs regarding Apple products, and that's why I am here. But Apple does some important things right that Samsung would do well to pay attention to (if they expect more attention and market share from the general public, and increased admiration from us).
Being that the Note 8.0 and the iPad Mini are the only 8" tabs in the marketplace, I would argue that they are if fact competitors. Yes, the IPM and N8 are aimed at different users, but do they have to be? The N8 can do everything and (way) more compared to the IPM, so if the pricing and build quality were more comparable, there would be no reason to buy the Apple product. I'd like to see Samsung succeed.
I spent many hours over several DAYS at Best Buy comparing the Note 8.0 and all of the tablets. I planned to drop some serious money for the International 3G (phone) Note 8.0, and I wanted to be sure that it would be the right choice beforehand. It is.
But it was interesting watching the other shoppers going down the line of tablets on display, and how much time they would pause at each model for a minute or two before ultimately settling at the iPad table for 5-10 minutes or more. The Note 8.0 probably received the least screen time. A lot of people stopped, played, and looked, but as soon as they saw the price tag, off they went.
I love all of my Samsung products. They are far more useful, versatile, and productive for me. But like many, I yearn for better build quality for my money.
Just my observations. I'll leave the dead horse be now with the IPM comparisons. Thanks for all of the responses...ALL good points!
Oh. @chakra, you should be pleased, I do QUESTION EVERYTHING.
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I've said my piece about the screen several times, it is what it is and not good enough for my needs, but for those mentioning hand feel/weight I'd highly suggest picking up a demo at the store. I think that's one of the best things about it. It's weighted about perfectly for a device like this. Any more pocketable and you're basically back at the note 2.
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I completely agree regarding the weight/balance in hand. And given its resolution, I was actually quite impressed by the screen.
How about this? Just make the bezel narrower or very minimal ON ONE (long) SIDE, so the screen is offset to one side...Get rid of the capacitive and home buttons altogether...put them on the screen so they rotate with the device's orientation, or just use gestures instead.
That way if you are left- or right-handed you will always have a comfortable bezel to grip in portrait mode, and it won't matter in landscape. The FFC might be a slight issue, but it could "auto-rotate" as well.
I absolutely love the 8" screen size, and the weight/balance of this device. But I also prefer a device that can go with me everywhere without any extra work to carry it. Just my opinion, of course...trying to get down to one device.
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But it was interesting watching the other shoppers going down the line of tablets on display, and how much time they would pause at each model for a minute or two before ultimately settling at the iPad table for 5-10 minutes or more. The Note 8.0 probably received the least screen time. A lot of people stopped, played, and looked, but as soon as they saw the price tag, off they went.
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Of course price is a factor. But the Apple brand is a big one, too. I have no doubt that many (or even most) of these folks you're talking about would still have opted for the iPad Mini, even if it cost more than the Note 8.
Average Joe probably weighs brand reputation and price over everything else, by far. They usually don't have the knowledge to even understand the features, specs, or even difference in build quality and screens. But they will often just buy a brand they know has a good reputation. Apple very much wins in this category. Although Sammy is gaining traction. I'm finally starting to hear people mention "Galaxy S" more and more in casual conversations about smartphones, instead of just "iPhone iPhone iPhone".
I'm with you on the build quality, or what some call industrial design. Sammy's penchant for plastics has turned me off to their products for a long time. Their build quality is still very good. I'd even still consider the Note 8 a premium look and feel. It would just be a whole league greater if they used higher quality materials (but also probably heavier, and maybe thicker). The aluminum body on my old HTC Flyer is probably the only thing I miss about it, versus the Note 8. But HTC is staying out of the Android tablet market for now (I'm hearing they are planning Windows 8 tablets), which is one of the primary reasons I've gone to Sammy.
I really like the screen of Note 8 even the contrast isn't unlimited as Note 2, but it does not have "burn in" problem.
In addition, Quadrant is good as Note 2 and the battery is pretty decent.
^^Well said, redpoint73, and agree on all points.
I'll take LCD over the psuedo-HD Pentile AMOLED screens anyday.
Unless deep contrast (at the sake of true color at times), LED just doesn't match LCD. Just like the big displays, LED is still behind LCD & plasma in overall quality of picture & clarity.
It is great for battery life, LED, but I use the Note 8 in sunlight frequently & while it does not have quite the brightness control of the Note 10.1, it is still pretty good.
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I'll take LCD over the psuedo-HD Pentile AMOLED screens anyday.
Unless deep contrast (at the sake of true color at times), LED just doesn't match LCD. Just like the big displays, LED is still behind LCD & plasma in overall quality of picture & clarity.
It is great for battery life, LED, but I use the Note 8 in sunlight frequently & while it does not have quite the brightness control of the Note 10.1, it is still pretty good.
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Don't compare this AMOLED to others you might have seen - have you even seen the Super AMOLED "PLUS" screen on the 7.7? The "Plus" means it was the only implementation of AMOLED at the time that was not prone to the pentile issues observed on many other AMOLED displays. Do some web searches and you'll see that claim backed up if you can't get in front of one. Everyone who's seen that screen in real life loves it and "over saturated" is a complaint made by no one that's used or owned it. Everything looks more "lush" on this screen and if the Note 8 display looks drab in comparison.
I've been carrying both my Note 8 and 7.7 around and have put them both up for people to compare and it's the 7.7 screen preferred every time. If they really were trying to sell a device that would compete and sell well with regular users, all they would have to do is put that same screen as the 7.7 in and put it side by side with the competition - regular folk who haven't fallen for the "over saturation" sheepspeak would agree the screen was better.
Also I have a mount on my dash for the tablets and you can definitely tell that the 7.7 is easier to read n the full sun than the Note 8.
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Don't compare this AMOLED to others you might have seen - have you even seen the Super AMOLED "PLUS" screen on the 7.7? The "Plus" means it was the only implementation of AMOLED at the time that was not prone to the pentile issues observed on many other AMOLED displays. Do some web searches and you'll see that claim backed up if you can't get in front of one. Everyone who's seen that screen in real life loves it and "over saturated" is a complaint made by no one that's used or owned it. Everything looks more "lush" on this screen and if the Note 8 display looks drab in comparison.
I've been carrying both my Note 8 and 7.7 around and have put them both up for people to compare and it's the 7.7 screen preferred every time. If they really were trying to sell a device that would compete and sell well with regular users, all they would have to do is put that same screen as the 7.7 in and put it side by side with the competition - regular folk who haven't fallen for the "over saturation" sheepspeak would agree the screen was better.
Also I have a mount on my dash for the tablets and you can definitely tell that the 7.7 is easier to read n the full sun than the Note 8.
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I cannot speak for the 7.7, but as for just about every other LED Samsung has released including the GS3, washed out blues & unnatural white or lighter pastel type colors is in fact my opinion, which is not based on what anyone else may say or think, but what I have experienced with the multitude of devices at my disposal.
Also, I said "deep contrast" & "at times at the sake of true color", not washed out, just unnatural color, like you see on the S3 vs the HTC One X. I don't know what in the hell you mean by "fallen for the sheepspeak", but what I said is exactly my experience with the devices I have or have had. One last bone of contention, who the heck says "sheepspeak"? I only see cobbled together words like that in Apple/Android rants by fanatics, folks that think Jesus will flood the world if everyone doesn't repent & swear allegiance to the giant Android/Apple deity. ,,!,,
Well, the (successor?) to the Mix has finally launched and I'm quite disappointed about what it turned out to be.
When the Mix was launched, it was one of a kind and a head-turner with almost everything you could ask for in a smartphone (minus the camera of course). But now, the Mix 2 only seems to be an incremental update with many corners cut.
1. The chin is just 12%smaller and looks much larger than those teasers Xiaomi released from time to time.
2. The screen resolution or type hasn't changed. Just slightly modified for the 18:9 aspect ratio. (2160x1080 vs 2040x1080). Also with the new aspect ratio, the overall screen real-estate has shrunk.
Would have appreciated a switch to AMOLED and a higher resolution to call it an upgrade.
3. Of course the chipset has been updated to the latest but I was never too excited about the Snapdragon 835 considering the 821 is no slouch.
4. The camera was a much needed upgrade and I appreciate that they've managed to squeeze in the Sony IMX386. Then again, this isn't a flagship camera compared to the competition but obviously better than that of the current Mix. So it's very much welcome but not a defining feature. Talking about the front camera, I guess Xiaomi has once again put a mediocre POS in there judging by the fact they didn't make a fuss about it.
5. To squeeze in the camera + OIS and the 18:9 aspect ratio, they've shredded 1000mah from the battery which is very disappointing. I guess I am most disappointed about this aspect.
6. No 3.5mm jack. - I wouldn't have been disappointed by the lack of 3.5mm if the rest of the specsheet were damn impressive and on par with other flagships. But it looks like Xiaomi just wanted to be more like Apple here. Removed the jack for no reason. I see myself using the headphone jack from time to time and I believe everyone does at times. Also, I doubt the Mix 2's audio via the provided USB-C adapter can match the Original Mix's inbuilt powerful headphone amp unless you invest in an external DAC.
When the Mi Mix was launched, it was above every other flagship of the time, except maybe the camera. It gave the Galaxy S7 Edge a run for it's money. It was bold and beautiful.
I gladly paid more than a Galaxy S7 Edge to get this and didn't regret.
But looking at the Mix 2, I don't know whether it stands a chance against the Galaxy S8, especially considering prices of the S8/S8+ has dropped after the launch of the Note 8. Slim bezels are not a defining feature anymore as almost everyone has caught up and so, I feel that the Mix 2 doesn't have anything which will make it stand out against the competition.
I don't see it as a worthy upgrade to the original Mix. It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
To conclude, I don't see how this would compel any existing users to upgrade. Morover I don't see the specsheet motivating any new buyers to choose this over a similarly priced S8+.
For those who are still considering getting a Mix, my opinion would be to get the Original one while it is still available for a discount as Xiaomi usually pulls the device from the market soon after the successor is out, most likely because they can't afford to produce and sell the previous gen device at a very low price. For those actually considering spending on a Mix 2, the S8/S8+ is now similarly priced (check ebay) in most markets and offer better value for your money.
What are your thoughts?
Agree with pretty much everything you said but the tiny screen of the new model kills it for me. I find the note 8 tiny after using the Mix for so long. I wish they made a Mix 2+ with a 6.4" display, I would so pay for that.
I'm staying with the original Mix.
Totally agreed. It was hardly an upgrade by any means. I was honestly more impressed with Xiaomi's MI Note Pro than the Mix 2, Lol. That's the problem with scaling to fast though. The Mix was such a market turner when it came out, if you're a company with certain stylistic choices, it's hard to know how to follow-up.
This is what frustrates me with phone releases, after a good one step forward a company makes two steps back with the next.
Losing the headphone jack and dropping so much battery capacity, 25%....
I know I will never get exactly everything from a phone, there will always be compromise and I am OK with that but stop removing the great features that the previous phone had, the new is supposed to be better than the old!
They changed the aspect ratio. OK, I guess I can live with that. They reduced the screen size. OK, that's starting to hurt but I guess I can live with that too.
They removed the headphone jack. OK, I guess I live with that too but stop already!
No, then they cripple the battery and the icing on the cake, the camera bump protrudes more than on the old phone!
I like to think I'm a reasonable guy. OK, I get it, the new camera is larger. OIS may need more space too. Well, how about you make the phone thicker so that the camera is completely flush with the body and use that extra space for a bigger battery and maybe to bring the headphone jack back?
They reduced the bottom bezel by 12%, they should have worked on using that bezel to put capacitive buttons on it instead of the on screen buttons.
Whatever sales they do achieve, I am convinced that a phone with a better battery, a camera flush with body and a capacitive bottom bezel would sell better...
It was supposed to have the 836 before it was announced that there wouldn't even be an 836, which at least would have given it an edge performance-wise and extended its life.
With the big drop in battery, I don't think it would have been wise to go UHD anyway. Also, being HD, we get better performance in general (particularly in games) since it doesn't have to drive all those extra pixels. AMOLED would have been nice though.
The lack of the headphone jack is a big loss for some, especially considering the Mix had one of the best DACs out there. I don't use headphones that much but I'd still miss it if it was gone.
If they'd just taken the Mix and dropped in an 835 and a better camera I'd probably have upgraded.
Agree with all the points you've made and while it's a disappointment, I'm glad that my almost 1 year old mi mix has features I can appreciate over it's successor.
The bezels look more impressive on the first mix and I can't believe they dropped the battery capacity by that much and removed the headphone jack !
I'm disappointed too
No 3.5mm jack
No OLED
and why!?! 5.99? I want at least 6.4 inch
The camera stands out
and a 1000mha smaller battery?
besides, I don't like the speaker upstairs either,
Only the band 20 support would be useful for me as a German.
But there I can also get a NOTE 8....
but now it will probably stay the good old mi mix 256 for a long time.
or the iphone 8
No reason to buy 1 if you have the mix, thought it was going to be something special
If this is their idea of a better phone, then sadly I see my next phone being the Note 9.
For now I'm sticking with the Mix 1.
It's a notable drop in screen size from the Mix 1.
It's like 15% smaller (roughly 15.64 vs 16.93 sq inches).
Smaller than the galaxy note 8, although it's 'shorter'.
It's nice to see them fixing the major issues from the Mix1 (camera, speaker).
Hopefully it's more drop proof now, too.
But it's no longer the biggest screen/battery for a pocketable phone, and that's a major loss,
So now you ask - what's the point? It it really THAT much better looking than other phones?
Not really.
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It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
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I was a VERY early adopter of the Galaxy note 1, and I can assure you - the galaxy note 2 was significantly better than the galaxy note 1 and I can't recall a single negative. The note 1 was definitely a 'market test device' as there were NO large screen phones at the time. It was clunky as hell, while the note 2 was a wonderful phone
One arguable downside was the screen aspect ratio 'dropped' from 16:10 to 16:9, but they made the screen size bigger (5.3 to 5.5) to compensate and the overall screen size stayed the same..
I would have been nice for xiaomi to release a 'full size' 6.4 and the current 'smaller' version for people who REALLY want one handed use or whatever. I guess they don't have enough 'ceramic' capacity to do that. Really quite a shame. I imagine the screen to bezel ratio would be even higher on a larger phone.
I'm also disappointed of Xiaomi I was hoping for a smaller chin instead we've got a smaller phone without head phone jack, that's messed up yo, I'm sticking with my mix till next year when they come up with a worthy phone to upgrade to. No head phone jack? now they are copying apple on that, damn you Xiaomi,
I'm bound to get the better products developed by phone manufacturers it seems ... Oneplus One was an amazing phone and already is a legend, Mi Mix a stunning concept phone that set new grounds in the industry.
I'm glad I made the right choice 2 months ago and went for the 1st gen, instead of waiting for the next one and spend more cash for little to no improvements in what's definitely more crucial to me, i.e. screen size and battery than a better camera. Next gen SoC won't make much of a difference in daily use, since the SD821 is already a great performer. Bezels seem even larger than the 1st gen
I got the Mi MIX in pre order so roughly 10 monts ago. Time files and I still feel like I would buy it a month ago.
The new mix did not bring in anything appealing to me... Samaller screen and no amoled... Smaller battery... the only two thing I like about it more than v1 is the metal frame and OIS..
No I will not buy it.
I'm disappointed too:
No P-OLED/AMOLED
No 2k/4k screen
Smaller batterry
Smaller screen size (not critical)
No way guys
Wrong way, china guys.
Seems like the top bezel is slightly larger on the new MIX. Cost of jamming a speaker in there I guess. I'm very content with the sound on the original anyway.
Special edition without 256gb??
Like the small rounded screen corners on the first. MI MIX 2 seems to have the same wide corners as the rest of the 2017 smartphone lineup.
Was never going to upgrade now anyway. Waiting for next 8XX chip + way....waaay to happy with my MIX.
Only compromise I would be ok with on the MIX 2 is the camera hump. OIS is sweet.
I have mix and mix 2 is absolutely terrible because it doesn't look like unique phone anymore. I got tired of charging my phone every evening, so a +4000 Mah battery was a nobrainer for me to get mix, now its ughhh.
Yes, i'm very disappointed...
was hoping that could have been a decent replacement for Note 4 with promised 6.4 oled screen and 4K battery, but....
with IPS, without 3.5 jack, smaller 6.0 screen and without microsd card slot this phone is not even an option. Very sad.
Also the bezels look huge in comparison with the renders distributed by xiaomi to create hype, which has left a very disappointing feeling that you were promised one thing and offered a very different one...
at the end of the day, the phone did not meet all the hype created, and is a flop (imho)
all im gonna say is.... ill definitely stick to my original mi mix.
Because some people (maybe alot) dont accep the 6.44' size. Their cant use, cant handle it. Then Xiaomi release Mix 2 to help their product come to more people and not to kill the Mix 1, smaller screen size make Mix 1 still alive.
But...the point is...Xiaomi next step...equal to turn back into their fan. I cant accept that. I want bigger screen..!! 6.44'..!! 7..!! But not... If the screent cant bigger.? I want better camera. Yes, they update it. But not enough. I dont care about snap 835. I care about 3400Mah battery. And yes...Mix still alive. Because I will stay with my Mix. My next phone is Note 8. I have hand-on it already. "Wow.! Beautiful". That all i can say. Bye bye mix 2. We will talk again when mix 3 release.
(Sorry about my bad English. But i really..!! Really want to talk about my dissapointed)
It seems Xiaomi used the Mix 1 has a test prototype to see if the technology was feasible and if there was a demand for the bezel-less concept. Since then all the big manufacturers jumped on board too and so the Mix 2 appears to be Xiaomi's attempt to compete with a more mainstream design. This is clear from the smaller width and the use of the more traditional speaker earpiece. Unfortunately this means it no longer stands out or looks futuristic. I still love my Mix 1 but I still like to try the new models so am now on the fence whether to get the Mix 2 or the Essential. The all-ceramic limited edition is tempting as I am a sucker for build quality and advanced materials.
#1: the screen size is a matter of personal preference; you can't please everyone.
6" might be the sweet spot for me in such a package.
#2: I like the fact that Xiaomi introduced another colour & diversified the choice of materials.
It's much harder to scratch a frame, however, most Mi MIX fails were devices which fell on a corner & cracked.
This shouldn't be an issue now with the aluminum frame. Ceramic is still there where it matters - the back.
#3: the camera was an epic fail on the original MIX, & an update to the IMX386 is welcome.
#4: epic fail on the form factor: a slim phone might be easier to hold, but as difficult to handle in 1 hand mode - example: reaching the top parts of the phone.
In addition, there is little to no content in 18:9, thus leading to letterboxing & waste of screen realestate.
#5: the drop in battery capacity to 3500mAh is a huge step back.