Dear Developers,
I've just "hard bricked" a Sony Ericsson E15i (MSM7227 chipset) with a manufacture date of 11W48 while I was messing with the bootloader.
After spending my day on the network, I've found a few trail of people, who were able to recover their phones from this state, which is the total death.
One of them used Omnius for SE with the "Repair S1-boot" option, with a homemade UART cable from a Nokia CA-42. It seems that no other "standard" USB cable would do, because the CA-42 has a UART micro-controller built in. I've found a CA-53 in my drawer, but this article on Nokia cables pointed out, that these have either a "Texas Instrument TUSB3410 RS-232/IR-to-USB converter while some others are using ArkMicro ARK3116T USB-to-UART Controller", which is good, if you have one at home.
Second solution I've found suggests a direct UART cable. As it describes, I need a USB 2.0 to TTL UART CP2102, where CP2102 would mean the chipset. I've learned something about UART, so I decided to buy a "USB 2.0 to TTL UART Module 5 pin Serial Converter CP2102 STC". Is this TTL UART cable, which some folk would call "resurrection cable" or "testpoint cable"?
Here comes the first question: is it good for me?
Lets state that it does. Which software should I use? The two post above suggests Omnius, which needs contribution from my pocket. Is there any free alternative to a bootloader repair with the UART cable I would have? Lets state that there isn't. Does Omnius would do it for me?
Basically I'm searching for more input on this matter, other than the two mentioned post above. I would disregard the use (buy) of JTAG/RIFF for this single scenario.
Any help would be very much appreciated!
I would have looked for or created a meme, but here goes:
If you're gonna mess with the bootloader on a 11w29+ device, you're gonna have a bad time!
No free alternative if you're not into electronics.
I dunno about Omnius. Some people have reported successful recoveries! But there is no definitive guarantee that it will work 100%.
I am going to help you as much as I can because you are one of the very few, who have made it a point to search the threads and gather as much relevant info as possible before asking anything.
Cheers.
sgt. meow
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I am going to help you as much as I can [...]
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Are you really going to? Your post is on 35% about a meme, on 25% about stating you know nothing about Omnius neither the method I'm trying to accomplish here, and the rest is the one I've quoted.
I'm new to this forum, but I bet you just wasted my time and yours too, because neither of us further by 1 nano meter in this matter, but the database has at least two more records loaded for nothing.
Thank you, anyway, and have a nice day!
What I meant was I'll try my best to help you if you face any problem.
I didn't say I know a lot about Omnius because if I provide misleading info, you may fall into trouble and I wouldn't want that.
And if you don't know your way around Omnius (like me) a paid method (the one where you get it unlocked from an electronics store) is your best option. This I'm 100% sure about. So the answer to this:
Here comes the first question: is it good for me?
Lets state that it does. Which software should I use? The two post above suggests Omnius, which needs contribution from my pocket. Is there any free alternative to a bootloader repair with the UART cable I would have? Lets state that there isn't. Does Omnius would do it for me?
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Is basically this:
There is no free alternative unless you have the skills and resources available at your disposal. The best option is to go by the paid method (the one I mentioned above) IMHO.
Have you gone through this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27942435&postcount=205
Seems to talk about Omnius. Doesn't, however, mention it being free or something.
And lastly, I hardly feel I have wasted time for either one of us. If you really wanted to disregard my post (which seems sorta obvious from your post), you did not have to post back. That is wasting time. Wasting time is completely against what I am supposed to do on XDA.
Thank you. Have a nice day too!
sgt. meow
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Have you gone through this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27942435&postcount=205
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Parsing this sentence indicates that it is in a state of a question. I hardly think that you wasted any time on reading my leading post, in which you'll find that I've already found and learned what I can from that post with ID 27942435.
sgt. meow said:
a paid method (the one where you get it unlocked from an electronics store) is your best option
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Regarding the theme "Repair (resurrect) bootloader SE X8 (E15i) with TTL UART cable", going to an electronics store is NOT an option. I'm waiting for input on this matter: Repair (resurrect) bootloader SE X8 (E15i) with TTL UART cable.
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There is no free alternative unless you have the skills and resources available at your disposal.
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Are you really sure about that - parallel that you stated you know nothing about Omnius and about this method or any other software with the service to flash the bootloader?
I don't know how Omnius works, but I do know that it requires purchasing of credits (which is most definitely not free). I know this because I wanted to use Omnius once when I got my W350i SIM locked.
And it seems you have gone through that single post, which basically means you are familiar with one of the two methods now available to you, both of which require some form of money.
Bottom line: You need money now to fix your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22974125&postcount=4
Also
http://www.specradar.com/2012/10/hard-brick-warning-read-before.html
Should I consider a post from a Guest, who says "The phone is dead and beyond any repair possibilities you can try at home.". Actually I know a guy in the neighbor village who can and would JTAG/RIFF the bootloader on my X8, but that would cost money. 20 times more than a UART cable I've just ordered. I like to do things myself, and it's not just about money, but the fact that I was able.
Also, please stop posting about the fact that 11W29+ phones usually lock the bootloader (from USB side). I'm fully aware of that, and as you see it also does not help me.
Okay even if you do it yourself, you need to use some form of money. Omnius requires money, third party fixes require money. You can try Omnius for that sense of self-achievement, but at the end of the day, you will have spent some money. Omnius would do the job for you. There I have answered all your questions (or so I think).
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Should I consider a post from a Guest, who says "The phone is dead and beyond any repair possibilities you can try at home.". Actually I know a guy in the neighbor village who can and would JTAG/RIFF the bootloader on my X8, but that would cost money. 20 times more than a UART cable I've just ordered. I like to do things myself, and it's not just about money, but the fact that I was able.
Also, please stop posting about the fact that 11W29+ phones usually lock the bootloader (from USB side). I'm fully aware of that, and as you see it also does not help me.
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B.Jay is not a guest..he deactivated his account. he was a RD if not more than that..dont remember..he was part of GDX team....
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There I have answered all your questions (or so I think).
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Basically, my knowledge on this matter did not improve since I've presented it, so I think you've answered non of my questions. No offense, but I really want to discuss this with a guy who actually ran Omnius for at least once, or if I go forward, who actually performed a successful S1 recovery with it. On the other hand, there is a software called SETool2, which accidentally can perform S1 recovery through drones - sadly it still needs money, but far less than my third party familiars.
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B.Jay is not a guest..he deactivated his account. he was a RD if not more than that..dont remember..he was part of GDX team....
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He was a moderator.
@Ehnalis
Sure. I understand.
I am in the same situation. I have a REXTOR cable, but i haven't bought yet a ominius license because, i don't know if this cable are gonna succes.
¿What do you think?
same with me
Ehnalis said:
Dear Developers,
I've just "hard bricked" a Sony Ericsson E15i (MSM7227 chipset) with a manufacture date of 11W48 while I was messing with the bootloader.
After spending my day on the network, I've found a few trail of people, who were able to recover their phones from this state, which is the total death.
One of them used Omnius for SE with the "Repair S1-boot" option, with a homemade UART cable from a Nokia CA-42. It seems that no other "standard" USB cable would do, because the CA-42 has a UART micro-controller built in. I've found a CA-53 in my drawer, but this article on Nokia cables pointed out, that these have either a "Texas Instrument TUSB3410 RS-232/IR-to-USB converter while some others are using ArkMicro ARK3116T USB-to-UART Controller", which is good, if you have one at home.
Second solution I've found suggests a direct UART cable. As it describes, I need a USB 2.0 to TTL UART CP2102, where CP2102 would mean the chipset. I've learned something about UART, so I decided to buy a "USB 2.0 to TTL UART Module 5 pin Serial Converter CP2102 STC". Is this TTL UART cable, which some folk would call "resurrection cable" or "testpoint cable"?
Here comes the first question: is it good for me?
Lets state that it does. Which software should I use? The two post above suggests Omnius, which needs contribution from my pocket. Is there any free alternative to a bootloader repair with the UART cable I would have? Lets state that there isn't. Does Omnius would do it for me?
Basically I'm searching for more input on this matter, other than the two mentioned post above. I would disregard the use (buy) of JTAG/RIFF for this single scenario.
Any help would be very much appreciated!
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i have same chipset(11w48)..
try too much, but not succed still.
i am ready to spend money.. but not sure it works for me....... i have no uart or ca-42 cable... no soldering equipments..
but really wants to get it fixed....brother, please if u find any solution plz mail me t [email protected]
virendrashakya.knp said:
i have same chipset(11w48)..
try too much, but not succed still.
i am ready to spend money.. but not sure it works for me....... i have no uart or ca-42 cable... no soldering equipments..
but really wants to get it fixed....brother, please if u find any solution plz mail me t [email protected]
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to procurando este cabo usb
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Hi there, I have been a member for a while now but never posted before!
I have followed many of the hints, tips and suggestions on this forum and have had a great time with my O2 XDA mini s but now find myself needing more help !
In fixing my mini s stylus issue I voided the warranty. A couple of weeks ago a colleague managed to knock a screwdriver into the empty battery compartment. I was swapping the sim card but got called away. The screwdriver pierced the sticker giving the IMEI number and damaged the electrical component under it. The component is labelled 3R3.
After calming down and restarting the mini s, all was ok apart from the backlight which would not work at all. I took my phone to a local phone repair shop who had it for a week then said they could not fix it as it needs a new mainboard - typical !
I have spoken with O2 who will charge me £17.50 to send my phone off to a company called A Novo who (I was told) will then send it back unrepaired as the warranty is voided. Totally pointless.
Does anyone know where I might be able to get my mini s repaired or has anyone got a broken mini s with a good mainboard they are willing to sell me ?
thanks
If you send it to Anovo they can quote you for a non warranty repair, this way you will know whether its worth while paying for the repair. BTW Anove are based in Norwich. I believe there is a link form the o2 xda web site that has a contact number.
Hope that helps
LB
LB,
thanks for the reply.
I have had a hunt through the o2 XDA site but cannot seem to find any reference to Anove. I have even googled them and not found anything like.
A-Novo Radiophone
Vulcan Road North
Norwich
Norfolk
NR6 6AQ
England
TEL +44 (0) 1603 269906
FAX +44 (0) 1603 269911
AlanJC,
thanks - i'll get straight on to them.
Has anyone else used them? If so what are they like ?
Cheers
These people seem ok.
I did not actually need to use them in the end so I can't tell you what they are like, but give them a try.
They are authorised repairers for HTC models.
If you contact them and explain the fault, they will give you a quote before they carry out the work.
http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk
0871 789 0379
[email protected]
Good Luck!
If nothing works out for you, I've got a almost like new main board lying right here on my desk! I purchased a damaged wizard to grab a part out of it i needed for mine but the main board is still in perfect shape. I could sell it to you with or without the camera, your choice. PM me if interested.
Markee said:
These people seem ok.
I did not actually need to use them in the end so I can't tell you what they are like, but give them a try.
They are authorised repairers for HTC models.
If you contact them and explain the fault, they will give you a quote before they carry out the work.
http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk
Good Luck!
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Apex laptops are overpriced and most definatley NOT HTC authorised - most of their 'parts' come salvaged from broken units. Check their website. Then go elsewhere...!
Richard
Thanks for all your replies.
I am following up all the options. I'll let you know what I find - if you're interested!
cheers
b19dmj said:
Thanks for all your replies.
I am following up all the options. I'll let you know what I find - if you're interested!
cheers
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Depending on where you are in Yorkshire, you could take your device to Bulmers second hand shop in York on a wednesday or saturday and ask for 'Dave' - big guy with glasses. He does board level repairs on xda's but is usually quite busy.
Richard
Apex laptop
Apex laptops do not use parts from broken pda's. They come direct from factory. I bought a new XDA II case and it is perfect!
i would highly recomend them.
they are not overpriced either. they say if you find a price cheaper elsewhere they will beat that!
check it out http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk/HTCspares.htm
hope this helps someone.
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Apex laptops do not use parts from broken pda's. They come direct from factory. I bought a new XDA II case and it is perfect!
i would highly recomend them.
they are not overpriced either. they say if you find a price cheaper elsewhere they will beat that!
check it out http://www.apexlaptops.co.uk/HTCspares.htm
hope this helps someone.
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Ok, then why do they have Qtek 2020 boards listed - if they came direct from HTC they would have no reseller rom flashed to them. Trust me, I know. They alos charge £295 for this board! MORE THAN A COMPLETE DEVICE.
They also list the housing at £25 and the front bezel at £30, battery cover at £15 and aeriel cover at £15 = £85.
I sell the complete housings on ebay for the himalayas / alpine for £25....and they are the entire housing inc the battery cover!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130015502288
So you don't think that much of a massive markup is overpricing? £85 from them or £25 from me. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............
So, I state again, they are OVERPRICED.
Richard
edit - second HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=28146&highlight=
munkeemajic said:
Hi folks,
Allow me to intoduce myself.
I am the Service Manager for a UK based laptop and PDA repair company, Apex Laptops. With regards to the PDA repair side of our company, we specialise in mainly iPAQ PDA's but are finding a large number of people wanting HTC repairs.
We have tried many sources to obtain parts, the most unhelpful being 02's actual XDA repair center, ANOVA.
We are trying to find a company or people who would like to give / sell their broken / unwanted HTC's to us. Working or not, we do not mind.
If you know or have any information which may be of use to us, we will certainly be most grateful.
Thanks for your time and hopefully look forward to speaking to you soon.
Mr P.Marlow
Service Manager
APEX LAPTOPS
Tel : 08450 95 55 35
Web : www.apexlaptops.co.uk
Email : [email protected]
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So the 'highly recommended' in the above posts for apexlaptops - comes from APEXLAPTOPS. And they want to buy up your broken PDA's for parts.....
Apex Laptops
I tried Apex Laptops with no success. I emailed them with the details and received an email back saying someone would be in touch soon. Several days later I received another email asking for a little more detail. I sent the reply and have heard nothing since. I even emailed them with prompt for my estimate! Just nothing from them.
On the other hand, fluffcat1 and Dave in York have been more than helpful. I can recommend them both
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b19dmj said:
On the other hand, fluffcat1 and Dave in York have been more than helpful. I can recommend them both
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Dave says it's all working now as well - I've dropped the rear casing bits off today - was trying for last sat but was busy, sorry, my fault.
Bet he's a lot cheaper than Apex 'we need to replace the entire mainboard' laptops as well :wink: who incidently have deleted the thread I quoted from above but not the other posts they previously made - go on, have a search!...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?search_author=munkeemajic
Richard
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Munkeemajic wants to sue me everybody...
..free speech means nothing obviously!
munkeemajic said:
Fluffcat I urge you to stop posting comments about our company.
Accusations such as these will not be tolerated.
For the last time please remove all comments made against our company Apex Laptops.
We will proceed with legal matters if your comments such as Apex "we need to replace the entire mainboard" Laptops are not removed within 24 hours as of 09:00 16 August 2006.
We find these comments damaging to our companies reputation and unfair. As such you may be sued for any damages.
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Bear this in mind when considering Apex Laptops for parts or repairs! And also that they recommend their own company ( see above ) without full disclosure of their position within said company. Me, I'm bricking it now, honest....
Richard
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fluffcat1 said:
Munkeemajic wants to sue me everybody...
..free speech means nothing obviously!
Bear this in mind when considering Apex Laptops for parts or repairs! And also that they recommend their own company ( see above ) without full disclosure of their position within said company. Me, I'm bricking it now, honest....
Richard
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LMAO!
Obviously making no comment about a specific company here, but as a general statment...
Should a person, say, a Service Mananger, for a company visit a forum, not disclose that they work for said company, while making comments about them, you would think "hey, that's immoral". You could well be right.
Should that person LIE about the company, say for example, making a false claim that they are a customer of said company and give glowing FALSE praise, you'd probably be inclined to wonder about just what kind of a business it is. You'd be right to think that. That hypothetical situation would be incredibly shady, outright immoral, and quite possibly an illegal business practise.
A little flag should also be waving in your head saying "hey why does this hypothetical person need to pretend to be a satisfied customer? surely if they are an honest and trustworthy company they will have actual satisfied customers, and have no need to lie and decieve."
Shold said manager at the company in one thread be calling for people to send them broken phone parts for use as spare parts, yet in another vigourously (while lying and pretending to be a customer!!!) deny that they use parts from broken phones... you'd just be thinking "WTF! Why aren't these people being invesigated by the local coppers?" That'd be a fair question.
In this hypothetical situation, I would advise people to seek the advice of the local trading standards or police, to determin the legality and correctness of this deciet.
Of couse, as I've stated, this is all hypothetical and unrelated to this thread. No idea why I've posted it here, sorry. We have NO such immoral persons falsely claiming to be satisfied customers.
I apologige profusely for this post that is unrelated to the thread and the posted comments within.
b19dmj, does your part looks like attached? Part size is about 3*3 mm.
Hi, yes it looks like that but has 3R3 stamped on it.
I would just like to thank everybody on the forum who posted info to help me.
I am happy to report my Mini s is now back in my clumsy paws and is as good as new! - Special thanks to Dave - the Phone man at Bulmers in York (a real hero !) and to Fluffcat1 who pointed me in the right direction and helped out with any parts needed. I recommend both these gents.
b19dmj said:
Hi, yes it looks like that but has 3R3 stamped on it.
I would just like to thank everybody on the forum who posted info to help me.
I am happy to report my Mini s is now back in my clumsy paws and is as good as new! - Special thanks to Dave - the Phone man at Bulmers in York (a real hero !) and to Fluffcat1 who pointed me in the right direction and helped out with any parts needed. I recommend both these gents.
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S'cool, glad it's sorted and you didn't 'need a new board'...
Richard
repair centre
b19dmj said:
I tried Apex Laptops with no success. I emailed them with the details and received an email back saying someone would be in touch soon. Several days later I received another email asking for a little more detail. I sent the reply and have heard nothing since. I even emailed them with prompt for my estimate! Just nothing from them.
On the other hand, fluffcat1 and Dave in York have been more than helpful. I
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Hi friend, can you recommend me how to contact the repair center that had been helpful to repair my xda mini s?
Please advise their contact information
Best REgards
Hendrick
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I really hope the mods dont close cause this needs to be out there....
I am starting this thread to try to help protect the developers work from scammers....
I ask that if you see someone trying to sell the work of the devs. via ebay craigslist or any other site that you report it in this thread to help stop them in there track.... Hopefully if they see there ads listed here when they come to steal the work they will stop trying to sell it....
This money belong to all the people that has made this all possible....
This is the latest ad I have found which is just wrong.....
Android on your HD2 - $75 (arlington)
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Date: 2010-07-27, 11:33AM CDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]
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i can make ur hd2 phone dual boot to have winmo and android on your phone both in working order i do have everything on a laptop and can meet to show you my working device and mod your device to match it...plz text (469)-684-8218 or reply to this email for questions !! price depends on your location and how far i have to drive
•Location: arlington
•it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 1865976865
damn that is just wrong....and they even left their phone number...
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-HD2-Android...d=ViewItem&pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3caf4d42c1
HTC HD2 Android 2.1 Installation Instructions
I am selling installation instructions for how to put Android 2.1on your HD2. I will give you step by step instructions on how to put a functioning Android ROM on your HTC HD2.
Android is what your HD2 has been waiting for. The current ROM's available are very stable and everything works-bluetooth, calling, email, text, data, Android Market--you just need to know how to do it!!
You are purchasing many hours of research condensed and compiled into easy to read instructions on three pieces of paper. i own the copyright to the instructions, and they are solely my research. I tell you where to go to get the files and then what to do with them to get it running on your HD2. Not breaking your phone and doing it right the first time is what this is about. I have created step by step instructions for you to read and follow, the rest is up to you.You should be up and running within an hour of receiving your instructions.
Please call text or email me with any questions you may have!!!
586-665-6669
I can also update you to the latest version of 2.2 Froyo upon request.
Other sellers may promise you Android on your HD2 which is only partially usable and experimental, but I will tell you how to install a fully functional, stable Android build.
If you are a seller and want to increase your HD2 selling price, let me help you sell for over $100 more per item with this advanced ROM.
We shall flood him with texts asking him to drive anywhere to install android. He ll loose his time and money
Sent from my Androihd2
that is just horrible! if anyone asked me, id do it for free and DEFINITELY tell them i didnt come up with this and give credit to those who did.
What these devs did is amazing and they seriously deserve the credit!
LAAAAAMEEEE!
I have had seen that on craislist add to, not to long ago but I have post tell all the craigslist shoper said that a guy who posted claiming that he could get android to run on HD2 for 40 dollar is a scammer, Cause I know it should be free and I have link the website to here xda-developer.
I don't think it right making money from other people work!!!
i suppose its fair to ask for money to drive to someone and give them a personal tuition on installing android and how to use it on your hd2.
i like to find information and figure things out by myself to do stuff.
some people arent very good at rooting out what they need to do but they are still capable of understanding something if someone sits down and explains it to them.
maybe it will bring some new people into the xda world. loads of people have an hd2 as an upgrade and dont know anything about it.
I feel that if credit is given freely where it is due, the *service* should be allowed.
Most people won't go put replacement parts on their car, and mechanics don't (generally) create their own parts from molten metal. That said, most mechanics also won't say that they DID create the parts from molten metal.
I haven't offered my services as a "phone mechanic" but if I did, AND posted links to the original works, AND made it clear that I was simply selling a service, would I be villified by the development community?
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I feel that if credit is given freely where it is due, the *service* should be allowed.
Most people won't go put replacement parts on their car, and mechanics don't (generally) create their own parts from molten metal. That said, most mechanics also won't say that they DID create the parts from molten metal.
I haven't offered my services as a "phone mechanic" but if I did, AND posted links to the original works, AND made it clear that I was simply selling a service, would I be villified by the development community?
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That's because people with no knowledge about cars should not tamper with their cars or they may cause some serious damage. Putting Android on the HD2 has no ill effects at all and does not warrant a $75 service charge or any at all. Something like this is as stupid as those idiots out there you see selling iPhone jailbreaks and unlocks when those are ridiculously easy as well and again cause no damage to the phone (except warranty voiding but that's to be expected).
hmm?
xfinrodx said:
I feel that if credit is given freely where it is due, the *service* should be allowed.
Most people won't go put replacement parts on their car, and mechanics don't (generally) create their own parts from molten metal. That said, most mechanics also won't say that they DID create the parts from molten metal.
I haven't offered my services as a "phone mechanic" but if I did, AND posted links to the original works, AND made it clear that I was simply selling a service, would I be villified by the development community?
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Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card? And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!
And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money), I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible.
This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!
My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com.
I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!
ironheart said:
Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card?
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Yes, that's a service. There are many people out there who need a helping hand even for the easiest things. (Ganz besonders die Amis ;-) )
problem solved
nevermind...
Damn, already?? You what guys you can't stop this, you'll always have these punks tryin to make money off someones elses back..
My suggestion: (if possible)
I'm just an simple 1st line IT-engineer, so i wont exactly know how to do this but there must be a way to find out under which ip-adress the person is posting from on these sites.. The chance he's a member here is probably very high..
What if we get this ip, and ask the mods to permantly ban this person... ??
Anyone know if this is possible???
I think that will send a message to some people.. But I think this is unstoppable. Damn the Pirates! Shoot them all!
Selling the instructions and packages to someone is wrong but charging someone to set it up on the phone for them because the owner isn't capable of it themselves is fine IMO.
It's no different to somewhere giving away free car batteries and charging $10 if you wanted them to install it. You aren't paying for the batteries (in this case the software), your paying for someone's time to set it up.
Regardless of how easy it is or how freely available the instructions are, if someone wants someone else to do it, it's fair enough that person charge for their time to set it up for them. The value of that time is up to the person paying it.
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What if we get this ip, and ask the mods to permantly ban this person... ??
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One of this guys is a member but as long as there are no personal and static IP's for everyone on the planet, ip bans are not working. You can block his region or his ISP but this will block not only him...
Hmmmm, ok so Ip bans are out! only one thing left to do!
Call / mail them meet them, beat em up!
Sounds like a plan to me! I could use the workout!
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Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card? And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!
And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money), I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible.
This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!
My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com.
I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!
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I could see this coming from a mile away. All this thread is going to cause heated debates and eventually name calling. There are always going to be people on both sides of the issue. XDA is place place to develop and share. Its not a place to combat warez or what ever you want to call "selling other people's work". Obviously XDA is against it... if you read the rules.
I totally agree with you on not selling other peoples work and not charging for "your time" but this thread is unnecessary. Its contrary to the goal of this section. Not to mention the already mentioned threats of spamming these sellers. Depending on where you are at this could be considered illegal.
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I could see this coming from a mile away. All this thread is going to cause heated debates and eventually name calling. There are always going to be people on both sides of the issue. XDA is place place to develop and share. Its not a place to combat warez or what ever you want to call "selling other people's work". Obviously XDA is against it... if you read the rules.
I totally agree with you on not selling other peoples work and not charging for "your time" but this thread is unnecessary. Its contrary to the goal of this section. Not to mention the already mentioned threats of spamming these sellers. Depending in where you are at this could be considered illegal.
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you got a point, it's just that we are real appriciative towards the devs, and can't stand these guys making money off em..
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you got a point, it's just that we are real appriciative towards the devs, and can't stand these guys making money off em..
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I get you you... but I just feel if I want flame wars I could go to sherdog. haha.
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Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card? And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!
And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money), I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible.
This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!
My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com.
I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!
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I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying! Let me go through and disagree with your impression of me, one paragraph at a time:
"Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card?"
-Answer- Absolutely. As well as educating the person and ensuring that any additional HSPL, radio, or WinMo rom was installed correctly and was appropriate for their hardware.
"And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!"
-Answer- Absolutely not, and if you would have taken the time to read my original post, that you quoted, you would have seen that I made provisions for informing people of the community and where they should go for more information on Android on the HD2.
"And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money)"
-Answer- Back to the mechanic, I think this one has been cleared up with a battery analogy. Perfectly clear. If you need more explanation than that, I am willing to delve into more comparisons.
"I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible."
-Answer- I would be happy to donate to the devs if I were to profit from a service based on their work, out of appreciation AND out of capitalistic interest in potentially further motivating them to continue developing and improving.
"This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!"
-Answer- Think about it from a more objective basis and perhaps you can feel less queasy.
"My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com."
-Answer (even though I am not a dev)- That would be fine with me, possibly even beneficial, especially if the "experimental" part was emphasized to imply that there is some kind of risk or knowledge that should be had prior to going out and just diving into Android.
"I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!"
-Answer- Again, I do not condone stealing intellectual property. However, I believe that distributing the intellectual property of others is not stealing. Ever written a paper? You quote your sources, but YOU get the grade. Your sources never (or extremely rarely) reap any benefit from your work of putting research and experience together to put out a clean, finished product. And donating is fine and good and should be done if you find the software useful.
wow i carnt post about the jig offer because they at xda keep deleting my threads whats that all about then, and whats the differance with donate and selling c**p. Just because i send it via a package they say no selling, what is donate then, selling or donating your services.:
The donation must be voluntary.
Also this should be in the General section.
Well.. In my case:
I provide Voltage Control application for free;
however some volunteers donated money to me voluntarily, making voluntary donation
Donation is like: you can get the product, no matter if you pay or not.
Selling is like: you can get the product, but you MUST pay for it sooner or later.
Hope it is all clear now
Why not "send" ppl a jig only if they "donate"
Fyi this should go in general.
I can understand where you are coming from. You are just trying to help out the community. If you are selling for a profit, then it is taboo in this forum, and go against the very essence of the spirit of Xda.
Ask yourself this, if you are the one, will you allow this?
Just my 2 cents.
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If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.
Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.
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Although this is in the wrong section, I do have to agree that he should certainly be allowed to charge a minimum price for it. The components that make up this jig cost him money, he should be able to charge exactly the same price (plus shipping). In this example, he would have freely volunteered his time to build the jig. So users should then be able to donate money to help compensate him for his time, on-top of this minimum price (if they wish).
However in saying that I think some members of this community has the wrong idea in general. Everything doesn't need to be free and generally should not be free. A good community should want to compensate other members of the same community who have helped out the community as whole. The issue is simply that it's not always practical to charge a fee. Even if a community member wants to compensate someone else for their efforts, it's not always possible or practical. There should be no such situation where someone who has been helped doesn't wish to express the basic human concept of gratitude. Money is not always practical, but in the case of a good community some sort of thanks should always be in order. Gratitude is a form of currency also, especially now that XDA has a thanks button.
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Exactly. I agree - and i dont see the same vehemence in people encouraging donations to the devels who work so hard that i see in people protesting against soliciting money.
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If this about the usb jig to force a dead sgs into download the idea method and all details are already given freely here. He is only selling it to those who cant wont not able to do it on their own. I think he needs to mention this.
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Simple question. If i donated a penny then would you send me a jig? If not then there is clearly a set price which classes it as a sale.
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Thats pretty sad - if you can publish a cost breakdown to show that you are not doing this for profit but to help the community, they SHOULD NOT remove it. Sometimes people cant wrap their head around a rule to make exceptions. On the other hand - we'd be swamped by ebay vendors "making screen protectors for the community". I think your project is an exception and has to be treated as such.
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ashwinds said:
You see.. unlike software which is "made once and distributable unlimitedly", he has to make 1 FOR you. If he is kind enough to volunteer his services- you can chose to donate for that or not. But to have him cough up for the cost of material and postage - its ridiculous.
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ok thanks for all replys, origionally i sent an email to xda asking them if i could have a sticky and every sale i would give xda 50p donation which also gives them some support. was i wrong.
As 1 of the readers posted, the parts do cost. At the moment it is quite hard to find the micro USB plugs which are costing roughly between £1.50 and £2.50 locally. The resisters work out at 42p each and there are 2 of them. 1 is a 300k and the other is a 1k. Also the heat sinc tubing is costing about 20p per plug. Then there is the solder, the electric, petrol to fetch the items and finally the postage that works at £1.00. Therefore the is no profit, not to mention that my time to make them is FREE.
All I wanted to do is to support XDA with a donation of 50p for every one sold and help people with illness or bad eyesight or just not the ability to recover their phones with out having to send it back to the service department because of a lack of knowledge in electronics.
P.S. Selecting the wrong pins on the plugs when soldering could potentially wreck your phone and I think it is really courageous of people with no electronic experience to try and do this.
Thanks for all you replys and support. Let's hope XDA support this and give people the chance to support XDA with their donation.
i also believe that because this site is very public and people are free to download the roms it all sounds very easy and things can and will go wrong from time to time.
lets have a safety net.
Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.
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Right mate. What I suggest you do is put them on ebay and say these are cool on xda, or post them in xdamarketplace. And quit moaning.
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who's moaning, i realy dont mind putting them out somewhere else, just trying to put a safety net in the same place as the roms. But do other people think there should be this option.
and why do you care anyway who am i to you.
Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......
ok what i have asked xda is, if people send me the parts with a return envolope i will assemble it and then return it, with donations wecome if you like my work.
this is a free service with no commitment to give me anything.
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Although I dont know about whole issue, so just posting based upon info in this thread
Your point is totally valid, but the way you presented it might have been wrong.
You could have proceeded like this
I am giving solution of so and so problem... here are steps
All the steps in details with components required...
With usual warning : Try at your own risk
Those who are unwilling to take risk/lack skills could have asked you to assemble components and mail it by paying cost of components + postage
People happy with service/willing to support you could have Voluntary donated......
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great minds think alike
I've got a better idea.
I don't know how much your selling these for but lets just say £5
I think you should charge £7.50
The £2.50 is a donation to XDA developers to continue running the site, and then you cover your costs.
Personally speaking, I could get these manufactured in bulk for peanuts if you wanted just PM me and i'll do the work - they will be coming from China though...
Hey Everyone
As a continuined support to this forum.
From now on , I will be offering 1 free unlock every monday for the X8 device.
The unlocking is instant and it done remotely with the USB cable provided with the phone.
Even if your have counter blocked your phone( Exceeded the no of attempts ), this method will unlock it.
How does this work?
Make a post here, contact me by PM. If you are a good contributer to this XDA-Forum, i will provide you the free unlock.
Give it a shot, you might be lucky. This happens on every monday, everyweek starting from tomorrow
I'm not particularly hopping I will win this "free unlock" as this is my first post here so my contribution is 0 and in all honestly I don't even know how I could contribute: I don't understand how to do 90% of the stuff posted here and am unemployed, so kinda low on money to donate.
Anyway, I decided to try my luck, but would like to ask something as it's not the first time I see "offers" like this and hopefully others can answer me this aswell: how do I know this isn't some kind of scam?
Thank you.
Hi, My contribution to the forum is not the greatest, and even large, since only learn Java (SDK), and my bad English, but I want "free unlock"
zxc79 said:
Hi, My contribution to the forum is not the greatest, and even large, since only learn Java (SDK), and my bad English, but I want "free unlock"
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Sorry, currently it is free only for contributing members
when it will be free for all??
Free for all? Thats not going to happen anytime soon.
ferraripassion said:
Free for all? Thats not going to happen anytime soon.
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hhehe yeah free for all is not possible but trust me it worths every penny, the service is way too fast (not like other support centers I've seen), ferraripassion is way too helpful, unlock procedure is fast and with fast i mean no more than 1 minute plugging your phone in recovery mode is slower than unlocking it.
you should really try this service
I also would like to try my luck
hi i need a unlock code for my xperia x8
what's the meaning with this unlock code?
after typing unlock code your sim lock will be unlock you can use it any gsm provider in the world
Can i get unlock for my x8
Very kind offer imo.
Another indicator that XDA has done more for android phones than any of the phone manufacturers or providers ever have.
This is not an attempt at getting the freebie. Mine's not SIM-locked anyways.
Ok, please, one unlock code for my wife's xperia x8
I would like to be able to unlock my phone.That would be great.Thanks
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after typing unlock code your sim lock will be unlock you can use it any gsm provider in the world
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thanks!!
Hello,
I wanted to know how to connect to a device thorogh UART cable and send commands (wipe and so), also how can I learn the command set? (I think its AT commands )
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Google
Read
Read some more
Try something
Repeat
Try something different. Confirm a missing piece. Have a beer
Repeat
Seriously. There are no step by step guides for this. The manufacturers do not provide any public documentation and the small number of people who have figured it out themselves are typically marketing programming tools based on that knowledge and reluctant to subvert that by disclosing a lot of detail to random strangers. An intelligent Google search will provide a wealth of information. But even so, you will need to do a substantial amount of first hand work to confirm information, fill in blanks, details and develop procedures.
As a bonus you will also gain experience in unbricking your test phones. The bottom line is that if you can't proactively search for the appropriate posts yourself and deduce the missing pieces empiracally, you simply aren't going to learn how to do this. Nevertheless a lot of people have at least a passing interest in this, so look here for details.
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Thank you! You just gave me all the references I needed to start, btw great post (hope there is more to come).
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