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Use this setting for Noise-free images!

I've come across a lot of people complaining about the camera not giving out noise-free images like it's supposed to. The trick is to use manual mode. I agree, if you use Superior Auto mode, it's a miss most of the times, and when it does work, it gives a purple-ish tint at the corners.
However, If you use manual mode and select the SCENE to NIGHT, the images come out amazing and noise-free!
[DO NOT JUDGE THE IMAGE BY WHAT THE VIEWFINDER SHOWS YOU. A lot of things happen when you press the shutter button. The viewfinder simply goes red for making it easy to focus. The final image in the gallery is a hundred times better]
The Scene modes are one of the most commonly ignored settings.
I hope this helps!

Thanks for this but i just tried it and even though it pretty light where i am taking the picture, the picture turns us a little blurry.
Possibly because night mode uses a longer shutter time which makes it more sensitive to motion blur?

Schadowx277 said:
I've come across a lot of people complaining about the camera not giving out noise-free images like it's supposed to. The trick is to use manual mode. I agree, if you use Superior Auto mode, it's a miss most of the times, and when it does work, it gives a purple-ish tint at the corners.
However, If you use manual mode and select the SCENE to NIGHT, the images come out amazing and noise-free!
[DO NOT JUDGE THE IMAGE BY WHAT THE VIEWFINDER SHOWS YOU. A lot of things happen when you press the shutter button. The viewfinder simply goes red for making it easy to focus. The final image in the gallery is a hundred times better]
The Scene modes are one of the most commonly ignored settings.
I hope this helps!
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USe night SCENE even if we are with light ? i mean DAY light

DjTony90 said:
USe night SCENE even if we are with light ? i mean DAY light
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How do you select a SCENE mode? I don't have any such option.
Never mind, I had it at 20MP.

Havent got around to really check out every setting in manual mode, bu I will for certain try this on oute tomorrow.

don't know why but right now scene mode shows up only on 8 megapixel and lower shots , so change your camera settings to access it.

I Use Manual mode, 20 Mp, ISO 50!!! Very important for controlling noise - still at pixel level picture is a mess but that is true for Every camera with such pixel density! And overall picture quality as seen on my sample is OK!

Isn't ISO50 only workable with very good lighting? I mean, indoors it's very tricky already...

dagrim1 said:
Isn't ISO50 only workable with very good lighting? I mean, indoors it's very tricky already...
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Photography is painting with Light, when light is not available there no much "painting" - Agree indoors when it's dark You should up ISO otherwise camera will go to very long exposures and You'll get blurry pictures.
What i was giving was setting for lower possible noise in pictures, settings will vary according to current lighting condition

pesho00 said:
Photography is painting with Light, when light is not available there no much "painting" - Agree indoors when it's dark You should up ISO otherwise camera will go to very long exposures and You'll get blurry pictures.
What i was giving was setting for lower possible noise in pictures, settings will vary according to current lighting condition
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Sure, but it's logical that a lower ISO will generate less noise, unfortunately then shutter times increase quickly resulting in moved shots. But it does seem an issue with auto mode that it increases the ISO values very quickly...
Ah well, hoping future firmware updates will improve things (if only had sony included OIS in this thing).

when i select Iso50 the whole of the viewfinder becomes VERY laggy. doesnt anyone else find this? (happens with both mine and my old z1 which was replaced)
very disappointed with the camera on this phone given that the camera is supposed to be the main selling point of the phone.

thefunkygibbon said:
when i select Iso50 the whole of the viewfinder becomes VERY laggy. doesnt anyone else find this? (happens with both mine and my old z1 which was replaced)
very disappointed with the camera on this phone given that the camera is supposed to be the main selling point of the phone.
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I have No such problem.

thefunkygibbon said:
when i select Iso50 the whole of the viewfinder becomes VERY laggy. doesnt anyone else find this? (happens with both mine and my old z1 which was replaced)
very disappointed with the camera on this phone given that the camera is supposed to be the main selling point of the phone.
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Same lagginess here, but only when the lighting is low/lower... Not as much as an issue for me.
Camera doesn't live up to it's expectations unfortunately, especially in lower light. (No, I don't expect awesome pics in lower light but coming from a Lumia920, which performed a whole lot better, yay for OIS, in that area it is kinda disappointing)

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Same lagginess here, but only when the lighting is low/lower... Not as much as an issue for me.
Camera doesn't live up to it's expectations unfortunately, especially in lower light. (No, I don't expect awesome pics in lower light but coming from a Lumia920, which performed a whole lot better, yay for OIS, in that area it is kinda disappointing)
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not tested it in "good light" to be honest since the whole point in changing the ISO is to compensate for the low light conditions you are trying to take the photo in.
its a little confusing since "Auto" iso setting is the only one which is not laggy. you can select iso50 or the top iso level (Can't remember what number it is) and its all just as laggy. you would have thought that Auto would imply that you would be using an automatically determined iso level, which would be more intensive on the phone than selecting an iso level manually (especially iso 50 which should be really less processing than"auto" would be.
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ilovemyZ1 said:
After doing some more research I found the answer to our low-light camera problems! This trick works with all Sony phones and is easy to do.
What we need is this and this and image quality improves SIGNIFICANTLY!
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well, i have one of those and i can tell you that low light pictures on that are just as bad. a) it doesnt use the nice sony camera app. it uses the frankly rubbish Sony memories camera app which has next to nothing in terms of manual setting and b) you can't use a flash.
so no. it isnt the answer. at all.

ilovemyZ1 said:
haha maybe you should have got the QX100 instead
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maybe, but it was a freebie with my phone. i've used it a handful of times and its frankly crap.
might stick it on ebay later actually. i doubt the qx100 would be much better tbh as it'd still be using the same app. it'll still take about 30 seconds to connect the device to the phone and it'll still have the same crap wifi distance (about an arms length) before the phones viewfinder lags out badly.

thefunkygibbon said:
maybe, but it was a freebie with my phone. i've used it a handful of times and its frankly crap.
might stick it on ebay later actually. i doubt the qx100 would be much better tbh as it'd still be using the same app. it'll still take about 30 seconds to connect the device to the phone and it'll still have the same crap wifi distance (about an arms length) before the phones viewfinder lags out badly.
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The QX10 is pretty good in low light, the QX100 will be better with the large sensor and 1.8 aperture at the wide end.
Nothing can help the lack of flash for certain situations, but a lot of it comes from learning the camera.
Wifi isn't amazing, but it works further than that for me, and through walls. I'm trying to think of new ways to use that style of camera and have been experimenting.
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Camera: Pets/Children & Low-Light?

I'm debating between the G2 and the Note 3 and while I like both, I prefer the G2 overall, but the camera has me worried.
Note 3 so far seems to handle video fine and takes quick enough shots to capture pets/children scampering around. Low-Light isn't so good and might actually be worse then GS4 and N2 due to software changes which is annoying but hopefully fixable down the road. Overall, seems Note 3 doing well, but I'm not sure if it is worth forking over another $100 and dealing with the larger size when I prefer the smaller G2 just for the "chance" it has a better camera.
From the various reviews I've read and user reports on here, the G2 does very well in well lit situations, but may or may not be having issues in low-light and video.
I'm not big on video, but the audio and focusing problems do concern me a bit. I've read little to no feedback on taking quick photos capturing children/pets running around and am having my doubts with how the focus works (or doesn't).
While obviously low-light isn't a real strength for any phone, it's hard to get a real grasp on the G2 when review sites say it is great and does better then the rest (maybe due to office/studio perfect set ups?) and then users say it is down-right terrible without proper lighting (real world use).
Just looking for any feedback or samples of G2 users taking photos in low-light and of quick moving subjects. Search isn't working for me atm, but haven't seen any threads going into these too much. I really want the G2, but the Note 3's positive feedback is pulling me away.

Allein8 said:
While obviously low-light isn't a real strength for any phone, it's hard to get a real grasp on the G2 when review sites say it is great and does better then the rest (maybe due to office/studio perfect set ups?) and then users say it is down-right terrible without proper lighting (real world use).
Just looking for any feedback or samples of G2 users taking photos in low-light and of quick moving subjects. Search isn't working for me atm, but haven't seen any threads going into these too much. I really want the G2, but the Note 3's positive feedback is pulling me away.
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So what I'm experiencing is that the stock camera app wants to lock focus before it takes a picture. If you're ever used a DSLR that spends awhile hunting before shooting in low light, that's what it feels like. Some other non-stock apps are a little more free with the shutter and take a picture without confirming focus (like a lot of P&S camera where you get blurry out of focus shots). So you can trade a quick shutter for worse focus depending on the app you use. The flash does a weird step down thing if you're really close to a subject (focal and stock) Super Camera does a more standard flash, but its still substantial shutter delay when using flash. You might be able to find other apps that have different flash behavior. So if you're shooting things that aren't going to run off in low light you might be fine. If they're moving you might try turning off the flash. The shutter is much quicker that way and maybe OIS can help make them sharp enough for you.

While this camera is really good in lit situations low light it's just plain bad and no other apps can fully comensate.
I bought ProCapture, already had FV-5 and numerous others from back in the day, (camera zoom, camera 360), tried focal. on and on.
Photos of children and pets even in "normal" lite rooms at night come out looking like watercolor abstracts and it has to be at a ROM or firmware level since all the apps do it to some degree.
If photos are you thing then the Droid DNA with a Sense5 ROM will produce fantastic results easily.

Camera slow shutter speed

I know the camera issue has been beat to death already but I've been testing it for many days and would like to relay my results. A lot of people are saying that the auto focus is bad causing blurry pictures. This is false, the focus works great but the camera always chooses a shutter speed that's to low for the lighting causing blur on subjects in motion. The only way I can get the shutter speed over 1/20 is by taking a picture in bright light. Even in above average lighting conditions the shutter will go to 1/20 or below. There is no option for metering so I wonder if LG coded something wrong in the camera drivers. I have tried every camera program out there and they all take the exact same picture using the same to low shutter speed which tells me it's not the stock camera app. I don't have the skill to dive into the programming but that is where the problem seems to be. It's the same brand (Sony) camera sensor as the SGS4 so I know that it's not the sensors fault.
Any thoughts?
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Anybody else have any ideas?

I'm also seeing these ridiculous shutter speeds (1/14, 1/20) when shooting in low light indoors, even if picking Sport mode, and was looking for a discussion on the topic here. Happy to find it
I had almost given up getting the camera to do what I wanted, when I discovered that the Intelligent Auto feature actually sometimes is ... intelligent. I took 4 photos of my toddler - obviously, not a subject willing to sit still. All photos on intelligent auto.
For two of the photos, the software shot with ISO 700 and 1/15th shutter, pretty much what Normal does every time. But - the other two were taken with ISO 1400-1/30 and ISO 1500-1/30. Naturally, the latter two were a lot sharper.
This is incredibly annoying since the Normal mode only lets you manually pick max ISO 800 and gives no shutter speed control. Until I found out about this intelligent auto thing, I forced -1, -1 1/3 stops underexposure to make the camera use a faster shutter (it typically used 1/59 for some reason). Now I guess I will take 5-6 pics every time and hope the camera is indeed intelligent part of the time.
- Is there no custom camera app capable of setting shutter speed manually, and use the ISO settings available to Intelligent Auto?
- Noone's had any word from LG on this?
I will be contacting LG support about this as well, but wanted to get the XDA word on the matter first...
Cheers, Are

Just replying to say I'm having the same issue. The fastest shutter speed I've seen is 1/15 in a well lit, easy to focus shot. The vast majority of my shots are blurry as a result.
I'm running Cyanogenmod at the moment.

I'm having pretty bad shutter speeds as well. It take 2 seconds to take a well-lit picture.

Guys , Try out the Moto X camera app. I may be wrong but i think its a bit faster .

JasElS said:
I'm having pretty bad shutter speeds as well. It take 2 seconds to take a well-lit picture.
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farazafs said:
Guys , Try out the Moto X camera app. I may be wrong but i think its a bit faster .
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I'm not talking about how long it takes to take the picture, that's delay. I'm talking shutter speed, how long the shutter stays open allowing light to hit the sensor.

I have not had any big problems with this, most of my shots are pretty tack sharp, and seem to have some decent shutterspeeds.. Only in very poor light I do get 1/15 shutterspeeds but at pretty average lights I get 1/30-1/120 sometimes faster, but mostly 1/40..
My shutterdelay is almist nothing too..

I found a modified version of the stock LG G2 camera by sefnap that works with CM 10.2 M1 and produces much better results: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2522889
Some of the features don't work but overall it's vastly better than the camera included with CM.
There is also another modified version of the stock camera put up by Heatshiver that probably works even better but it doesn't currently work with CM (only works with stock and some AOSP ROMs): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2525783

I just discovered something the other day when playing with my camera... Albeit in bright light. Check out these pics taken at 60mph from my car while I was driving (ie not the most steady hand).
What I did was set it on sports mode and then old down the camera button until I heard the beep, and then released to capture the image I wanted (ie the road signs). The one out of my car window was actually more focused than I could focus with my naked eye...

Photographer's perspective on the LG G3

These topics have been widely discussed, I just find this funny. I do professional photography, and I thought this phone would be great for me. Not only could I show off my photos on a glorious 2k screen, but it was supposed to have a great off-duty camera as well. Ironically, it's instead hitting some photographer pet peeves real bad.
1) The screen sharpening is bad. I see amateur photographers get over enthusiastic on sharpening, cause the sharper the better, right? No, you make ugly artifacts like halos. Now my entire phone does it nonstop. It hurts! This goes beyond the font issue that's widely been talked about. I love viewing photos through my Nexus 7 or HTC M7 because it's like looking through a window. Photos on the G3 just look artifical.
2) Another is the camera noise reduction. Noise is bad, so let's crank the noise reduction. No, some grain and more detail is much preferable to pics that look like watercolors.
3) I knew this one going in, but as the Andantech review pointed out, the color accuracy is bad. I can spend time editing a photo on my phone and paste it to Facebook, just to realize once I'm viewing on a pc that the pic looks nothing like my meticulous edit. Great.
I know I'm hypersensitive to these issues because of my profession. My wife didn't notice the sharpening. But it's funny that what I thought would be my ideal phone is such the opposite.

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3) I knew this one going in, but as the Andantech review pointed out, the color accuracy is bad. I can spend time editing a photo on my phone and paste it to Facebook, just to realize once I'm viewing on a pc that the pic looks nothing like my meticulously edit. Great.
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How long ago was last time you calibrated your PC monitor? Does your monitor have sRGB mode? And, BTW, maybe you even use some notebook with cheap junky TN panel in the first place? :laugh:

I use an ASUS PA246 wide gamut monitor regularly calibrated with a Colormunki Display, so yes, I have a good benchmark.
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supposedmonster said:
so yes, I have a good benchmark.
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Glad for you, well then did you try to compare pix from the net to view both on monitor and on G3 and compare colors? Like I did
Check that topic also, maybe you bought G3 with blueish panel

Man this was not an easy shot to pull off. It's hard to tell from the pic, but LG is on the left and Nexus 7 is on the bottom. The LG would equate to quite a few notches of saturation boost in Lightroom.
This photo doesn't quite show it well, but the Nexus is actually slightly less saturated than the calibrated monitor.
The colors aren't that bad in either devices (I mean you can only expect so much, I get these aren't meant to be crazy calibrated panels), but I'd rather edit on the Nexus and find them slightly more vibrant on other devices than on the LG and find it decidedly dull.
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supposedmonster said:
These topics have been widely discussed, I just find this funny. I do professional photography, and I thought this phone would be great for me. Not only could I show off my photos on a glorious 2k screen, but it was supposed to have a great off-duty camera as well. Ironically, it's instead hitting some photographer pet peeves real bad.
1) The screen sharpening is bad. I see amateur photographers get over enthusiastic on sharpening, cause the sharper the better, right? No, you make ugly artifacts like halos. Now my entire phone does it nonstop. It hurts! This goes beyond the font issue that's widely been talked about. I love viewing photos through my Nexus 7 or HTC M7 because it's like looking through a window. Photos on the G3 just look artifical.
2) Another is the camera noise reduction. Noise is bad, so let's crank the noise reduction. No, some grain and more detail is much preferable to pics that look like watercolors.
3) I knew this one going in, but as the Andantech review pointed out, the color accuracy is bad. I can spend time editing a photo on my phone and paste it to Facebook, just to realize once I'm viewing on a pc that the pic looks nothing like my meticulous edit. Great.
I know I'm hypersensitive to these issues because of my profession. My wife didn't notice the sharpening. But it's funny that what I thought would be my ideal phone is such the opposite.
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I'm just curious about number 3 up there, and I'm not trying to be an ass, but why would any professional photographer spend time editing a photo on a phone meticulously, instead of putting the photo on the PC and editing it with PS? I mean, if you edit it with the PC, its a lot easier, and you also get a WYSIWYG.

Haha, well my camera has WiFi. When in on vacation it's fun being able to post professional quality pics to social media from my phone.
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The G3 display can be somewhat manually adjusted in color contrast, did you tweak it a bit? Maybe it'll improve.

Thanks, I have read about that. Without being able to use a preview image to calibrate I think it'd drive me crazy. Plus I doubt it'll help because it seems to only adjust color and contrast, not saturation, which is the bigger issue.
What bugs me more though is the sharpening, but I have faith that'll be fixed either by LG or the community since enough people have raised a hallaboo.
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I can live with the screen sharpening (since it's all software and don't affect the photos themselves). I can also live with so-so color reproduction. But gawd, that NR pisses me off. What's the point of having a good sensor when you're gonna mess up the photos with mediocre processing. That being said... photos still look pretty decent in good lighting ;P

supposedmonster said:
These topics have been widely discussed, I just find this funny. I do professional photography, and I thought this phone would be great for me. Not only could I show off my photos on a glorious 2k screen, but it was supposed to have a great off-duty camera as well. Ironically, it's instead hitting some photographer pet peeves real bad.
1) The screen sharpening is bad. I see amateur photographers get over enthusiastic on sharpening, cause the sharper the better, right? No, you make ugly artifacts like halos. Now my entire phone does it nonstop. It hurts! This goes beyond the font issue that's widely been talked about. I love viewing photos through my Nexus 7 or HTC M7 because it's like looking through a window. Photos on the G3 just look artifical.
2) Another is the camera noise reduction. Noise is bad, so let's crank the noise reduction. No, some grain and more detail is much preferable to pics that look like watercolors.
3) I knew this one going in, but as the Andantech review pointed out, the color accuracy is bad. I can spend time editing a photo on my phone and paste it to Facebook, just to realize once I'm viewing on a pc that the pic looks nothing like my meticulous edit. Great.
I know I'm hypersensitive to these issues because of my profession. My wife didn't notice the sharpening. But it's funny that what I thought would be my ideal phone is such the opposite.
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I am sorry but you have me totally confused.......
I agree the G3 does have over sharpening which depending on how and what you shoot can have detrimental effects on the scene shot.
However, why on earth are you getting so annoyed with what is in effect simply a smartphone camera sensor?
Although I do not take photos as a profession I have however owned a camera since... Hang on a second......1963. Throughout time I learned many various methods and art in photography, travelling the world shooting all manner of photos with compacts and SLR's to the more recent DSLR and smartphone.
Yet, there is no way on earth would I take a professional shot with a smartphone nor would I expect it to achieve something which could be of use in a professional manner.
I do apologies but it does annoy me when I hear from someone first stating they are a 'professional' and use this word as their basis for a debate.
If you have an issue with the G3, fine I can live with that as you are very much correct, certain aspects of the software could be improved but let us not forget.
1. It is a smartphone.
2. It is software which means if you do not like the camera app that controls the shooting then use a different camera app.
I personally use the app 'A Better Camera' which is excellent.
I am sure as a professional photographer you must have heard of this app and learned the author is not just another coder but does have an understanding of photography.
With 'A Better Camera' as your tool you will find first it gives you back the manual controls and second it then allows you to be as creative as a smartphone will allow you.
Having said all this I have never ever ever been happy letting the camera dictate the shot but the G3 is the first type of camera that I am happy shooting 'casual photography' in auto mode.

Beards said:
I am sorry but you have me totally confused.......
I agree the G3 does have over sharpening which depending on how and what you shoot can have detrimental effects on the scene shot.
However, why on earth are you getting so annoyed with what is in effect simply a smartphone camera sensor?
Although I do not take photos as a profession I have however owned a camera since... Hang on a second......1963. Throughout time I learned many various methods and art in photography, travelling the world shooting all manner of photos with compacts and SLR's to the more recent DSLR and smartphone.
Yet, there is no way on earth would I take a professional shot with a smartphone nor would I expect it to achieve something which could be of use in a professional manner.
I do apologies but it does annoy me when I hear from someone first stating they are a 'professional' and use this word as their basis for a debate.
If you have an issue with the G3, fine I can live with that as you are very much correct, certain aspects of the software could be improved but let us not forget.
1. It is a smartphone.
2. It is software which means if you do not like the camera app that controls the shooting then use a different camera app.
I personally use the app 'A Better Camera' which is excellent.
I am sure as a professional photographer you must have heard of this app and learned the author is not just another coder but does have an understanding of photography.
With 'A Better Camera' as your tool you will find first it gives you back the manual controls and second it then allows you to be as creative as a smartphone will allow you.
Having said all this I have never ever ever been happy letting the camera dictate the shot but the G3 is the first type of camera that I am happy shooting 'casual photography' in auto mode.
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Speaking of which, is it possible to set long exposure (for night shots with a tripod, for example) with A Better Camera? Other than the automatic "Night Shot"...

fabripav said:
Speaking of which, is it possible to set long exposure (for night shots with a tripod, for example) with A Better Camera? Other than the automatic "Night Shot"...
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Not presently...... But note, this is not the problem with the G3 or A Better Camera.
It is Android or should I say Google who limited the speed to just under 1sec.
However, under Android L all will change as among the 400+ camera api's introduced camera speed is one of them. So 'hopefully' developers will raise to the challenge and add this vital missing setting.

Beards said:
Not presently...... But note, this is not the problem with the G3 or A Better Camera.
It is Android or should I say Google who limited the speed to just under 1sec.
However, under Android L all will change as among the 400+ camera api's introduced camera speed is one of them. So 'hopefully' developers will raise to the challenge and add this vital missing setting.
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Yeah, can't wait for that update for many reasons, camera included.
It's weird though that the Oppo Find 7 camera (for example) has a shutter speed that goes up to 32 seconds. How did they manage to make it avalaible? The sensor is a simple Sony IMX214.
I wonder if all the features of Camera FV-5 work on the G3, anyone tried it yet? (my G3 has yet to arrive)

fabripav said:
Yeah, can't wait for that update for many reasons, camera included.
It's weird though that the Oppo Find 7 camera (for example) has a shutter speed that goes up to 32 seconds. How did they manage to make it avalaible? The sensor is a simple Sony IMX214.
I wonder if all the features of Camera FV-5 work on the G3, anyone tried it yet? (my G3 has yet to arrive)
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The Oppo Find 7's camera doesn't actually keep the lens open for 32 seconds, it does a trick similar to what Camera FV-5 does in that it takes a series of shots from a thumbnail (hence why it's small and lacks any detail).
Re your query on Camera FV-5 ~ everything with the exception of ISO works. With ISO the dials say it has altered ISO but when you take the shot you find it has altered nothing.
A Better Camera on the other hand does alter the settings and does apply them to the shot.
It's the only app out there which utilises all the manual controls that are open to write permission, this also includes AE and WB Lock which again no other camera app uses.

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fabripav said:
Yeah, can't wait for that update for many reasons, camera included.
It's weird though that the Oppo Find 7 camera (for example) has a shutter speed that goes up to 32 seconds. How did they manage to make it avalaible? The sensor is a simple Sony IMX214.
I wonder if all the features of Camera FV-5 work on the G3, anyone tried it yet? (my G3 has yet to arrive)
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Yes it does. I haven't tried the long exposure in FV-5 though.
Beards said:
Re your query on Camera FV-5 ~ everything with the exception of ISO works. With ISO the dials say it has altered ISO but when you take the shot you find it has altered nothing.
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Camera FV-5's ISO setting works fine for me.
ISO 100 1/60 F/2.4
http://i1.minus.com/iMbhMmPuhI3Es.JPG
ISO 1600 1/680 F/2.4
http://i7.minus.com/iNJO0u9CN5xvf.JPG
I'm a photographer (;P). I know what I'm talking about.

You have the D851 which is Tmob.. which doesnt have the sharpening effect.. at least anecdotally. same model i have and theres zero sharpening going on. the colors mind you are off, but its no galaxy S4 or G2.. but as was stated dont plan to edit on your phone and you wont be frustrated by using the wrong tool for the job.
dont bring a 400mm telephoto zoom to a job that requires a 35mm prime or vice versa.

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Yes it does. I haven't tried the long exposure in FV-5 though.
Camera FV-5's ISO setting works fine for me.
ISO 100 1/60 F/2.4
http://i1.minus.com/iMbhMmPuhI3Es.JPG
ISO 1600 1/680 F/2.4
http://i7.minus.com/iNJO0u9CN5xvf.JPG
I'm a photographer (;P). I know what I'm talking about.
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Really...... Thank you.
When was the App last updated?

Beards said:
Really...... Thank you.
When was the App last updated?
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I'm using v1.7.3. Updated June 27th.

Itaintrite said:
I'm using v1.7.3. Updated June 27th.
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Great... I'll give it another go against A Better Camera; although ABC does have many more controls.

camera tips

Coming from the note 7, I've gotten used to setting it on auto, taking a pic, and getting great pictures... Something I'm not seeing with the v20.
Any tips or settings that may help?
Low light pics area slow to focus and results are so so.
Pictures of moving people even in medium light are blurred

I'll try to write something up later. How much photo experience do you have? How much digital photo knowledge base do you have? (So I know what starting point to use. Photography is a lot of art meets science. It's probably one of the better examples of a right and left brain balance.)

Hmm..I knowthat shutter speed and aperture go together. How they let more more light in by opening longer or wider.
I've tried taking pictures using auto and manual (no change in any settings)..and they come out similar. Except auto seems to do a better job auto focusing.

There's a setting buried in the menu to help with tracking. Make sure you have that on. Aperture is locked down on cellphones so you only really get to play with shutter speed and ISO. Unfortunately, as ISO goes up, so does the noise coming off the sensor. So you really have to balance getting a shutter speed that's just fast enough without getting too crazy with the ISO. This will apply to all cellphones no matter what anyone tries to tell you. (And this is why the pros will always shoot with full frame DSLR's. Much larger sensor, better noise handling, can really crank up the ISO with little ill effect.)
If you're getting blurring motion, you need a faster shutter speed which means higher ISO..... or...... you can practice the old school way and get a cool effect by practicing tracking your subject by hand. I practiced with my DSLR by tracking swallows and dragonflies in flight. For a phone, I think kids running around is about the equivalent. It's difficult but highly rewarding once you get it.
Light, and lots of it, will be your friend on small sensors like these. Cranking up the ISO for darker situations means one of two things will happen. A) You will get a lot of noise from the gain applied to the signal coming off of the sensor. Depending on the quality of the noise coming off of it, this can either be bad or good. For a while, Nikon was known for having a noise quality at higher ISO's that made for excellent B&W's. I'm actually investigating that with this camera as I think it has potential. B) Aggressive noise reduction is applied to the image and it butter faces the heck out of an image and turns it all water color. I have to zoom in way too far than one should before I see this happening. So it looks like noise reduction is being applied on a smaller scale which leaves better detail and might be why I'm seeing an agreeable noise profile. A few more test shots are needed though.
I will note that this all applies to the main shooting assembly (the 16mp f1.8 sensor). The wide shooting assembly is a smaller sensor and the aperture is a smaller f2.4. So it'll require a higher ISO for the same shutter speed and it's going to be noisier shot for shot no matter what and it isn't as nice of a noise profile as the main sensor.

Camera very disappointing. My G3 takes far more better pictures than this. Do you think any software updates could improve on the quality?

justthefacts said:
Camera very disappointing. My G3 takes far more better pictures than this. Do you think any software updates could improve on the quality?
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They could, maybe. Depends. What are you disappointed in exactly?

Auto mode. It sucks. 2 generation old note4 can take far better pictures on auto. LG has the chops to make a great camera so wtf happened on this $800 phone?

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Auto mode. It sucks. 2 generation old note4 can take far better pictures on auto. LG has the chops to make a great camera so wtf happened on this $800 phone?
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Manual mode. Manual mode happened and it's pretty damn good. A bit more manual control would make it great. (Let me decide when image stabilization is on, for instance.) This phone wasn't really about auto. That's what the Pixel is about to every degree. The V20 is about people who want to have more control over their content creation without getting too overboard.

CHH2 said:
Manual mode. Manual mode happened and it's pretty damn good. A bit more manual control would make it great. (Let me decide when image stabilization is on, for instance.) This phone wasn't really about auto. That's what the Pixel is about to every degree. The V20 is about people who want to have more control over their content creation without getting too overboard.
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I don't mind that. It's just auto can Bork up a picture real quick. Picking the right focus point helps with light situations a lot but still auto should be more decent out of the box. Why? Because half the rest you need to take the shot right away. Manual is fine and not too much complaints about it besides the voice trigger turning itself off all the time. If the manual mode was terrible too I'd pro a lot have returned the phone already. Manual, the audio, battery life, swappable battery and reception help make up for auto's inconsistency.

CHH2 said:
Manual mode. Manual mode happened and it's pretty damn good. A bit more manual control would make it great. (Let me decide when image stabilization is on, for instance.) This phone wasn't really about auto. That's what the Pixel is about to every degree. The V20 is about people who want to have more control over their content creation without getting too overboard.
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I want more control over the content of my phone but yet. I can not root my phone on Sprint.[emoji35]
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@rbiter said:
I don't mind that. It's just auto can Bork up a picture real quick. Picking the right focus point helps with light situations a lot but still auto should be more decent out of the box. Why? Because half the rest you need to take the shot right away. Manual is fine and not too much complaints about it besides the voice trigger turning itself off all the time. If the manual mode was terrible too I'd pro a lot have returned the phone already. Manual, the audio, battery life, swappable battery and reception help make up for auto's inconsistency.
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Auto is consistent. You just have to understand what's going on. I was really hoping that auto would have EV adjustment so we could change the bias of the exposure. The camera wants to expose a little bright to help control noise that you'll get from a small sensor. I'll take a bit of noise for a darker exposure. So to that end, I'll probably shoot manual. All I really need to do is set a minimum shutter speed and adjust ISO from there when I open the camera. That can all occur pretty fast.
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I want more control over the content of my phone but yet. I can not root my phone on Sprint.[emoji35]
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Um, you don't need root for content control. A) Your complaint needs to be in the proper thread. This is about photo/video, not root. B) Sprint. (I live in their HQ city and see their CEO regularly at some of my favorite haunts. Don't expect any miracles from Sprint. It's a top down issue.)

My opinion, the camera as a hardware is good, however, LG needs to upgrade the camera app, specially with auto mood, this coming from a user that have used Samsung for a very long time, and now very disappointing with LG camera
i hope LG is reading this, and can push that kind of update soon..

Amjad.AbdulGhani said:
My opinion, the camera as a hardware is good, however, LG needs to upgrade the camera app, specially with auto mood, this coming from a user that have used Samsung for a very long time, and now very disappointing with LG camera
i hope LG is reading this, and can push that kind of update soon..
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I agree. I came from the note 3 and i was taking side by side and the note 3 was taking better pics! Not sure if there's an issue with my v20 but ilI'lll be returning it today. Not impressed at all

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Auto is consistent. You just have to understand what's going on. I was really hoping that auto would have EV adjustment so we could change the bias of the exposure. The camera wants to expose a little bright to help control noise that you'll get from a small sensor. I'll take a bit of noise for a darker exposure. So to that end, I'll probably shoot manual. All I really need to do is set a minimum shutter speed and adjust ISO from there when I open the camera. That can all occur pretty fast.
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Auto is NOT consistent. With that being said, I've been getting better pictures, but still taking multiple pictures with different focal points to make sure I get at least one good pic of what I want. Auto works well sometimes, just needs consistency. Obviously the camera is capable of taking great pictures in almost any setting. Even low light. The hardest is when you have a very bright source of light somewhere and auto doesn't do well unless you find the right focal point, and that being where I have to take multiple pics the most. Manual can work too, but I'm not even an amateur photographer so I've been practicing to get better pictures with less adjusting. And by that I mean dialing it in less and getting the pic I want faster from practice and skill rather than paying around experimenting. It's been a learning curve for me and quite a few others. I'm quite sure a firmware update can help.
Also, I am used to my note 4 taking g great pics with auto. Also used to the extra sharpening. I've noticed the extra sharpening and do prefer more natural pictures like the lg or iPhones take. But otoh, many of my pictures at work benefit from the extra sharpening big time and kind of why I don't mind it. That extra sharpening is very very useful when magnification is needed at magnifying glass level and sometimes almost microscopic levels for very fine print, certain details on a board or power supply and especially both those reasons I'm very hard to reach places without taking everything apart.
With that being said, I also wish LG would add a toggle for sharpening when processing the pictures in auto and manual mode. Even though LG leans towards more natural pictures, a sharpen toggle would help a lot. I've just decided to keep using my v20 as a daily driver by a very slim margin. Miss my amoled and adblocking. Don't miss all the extra tweaking I had to do manually along with xposed to get my note4 the way I wanted. LG has caught up alot in their UI. It used to be terrible. But with the theme and some of the options I could live with root just to get adblocking. But when I do root I will be doing so.e tweaking g to get more battery life. And hopefully a kind developer will make a kernel with only voltage control enabled so I can under volt my CPU some.

The problem is the massive herd of Samsung users (I am one also) that were able to just point and shoot. The software did the all the work on the sammy phones. With the V20 we have to work a little to get a great picture. I noticed it today when taking a picture for of my receipts for the headphone deal.

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Auto is NOT consistent. With that being said, I've been getting better pictures, but still taking multiple pictures with different focal points to make sure I get at least one good pic of what I want. Auto works well sometimes, just needs consistency. Obviously the camera is capable of taking great pictures in almost any setting. Even low light. The hardest is when you have a very bright source of light somewhere and auto doesn't do well unless you find the right focal point, and that being where I have to take multiple pics the most. Manual can work too, but I'm not even an amateur photographer so I've been practicing to get better pictures with less adjusting. And by that I mean dialing it in less and getting the pic I want faster from practice and skill rather than paying around experimenting. It's been a learning curve for me and quite a few others. I'm quite sure a firmware update can help.
Also, I am used to my note 4 taking g great pics with auto. Also used to the extra sharpening. I've noticed the extra sharpening and do prefer more natural pictures like the lg or iPhones take. But otoh, many of my pictures at work benefit from the extra sharpening big time and kind of why I don't mind it. That extra sharpening is very very useful when magnification is needed at magnifying glass level and sometimes almost microscopic levels for very fine print, certain details on a board or power supply and especially both those reasons I'm very hard to reach places without taking everything apart.
With that being said, I also wish LG would add a toggle for sharpening when processing the pictures in auto and manual mode. Even though LG leans towards more natural pictures, a sharpen toggle would help a lot. I've just decided to keep using my v20 as a daily driver by a very slim margin. Miss my amoled and adblocking. Don't miss all the extra tweaking I had to do manually along with xposed to get my note4 the way I wanted. LG has caught up alot in their UI. It used to be terrible. But with the theme and some of the options I could live with root just to get adblocking. But when I do root I will be doing so.e tweaking g to get more battery life. And hopefully a kind developer will make a kernel with only voltage control enabled so I can under volt my CPU some.
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It is pretty consistent, you just have to understand what it is consistently doing. It's just running a program like anything else. It doesn't do things on a wild hair. That said, if you want more sharpening, I highly suggest Snapseed. It's a free app after Google bought the parent company Nik. Nik makes some of the best plug-ins for professional editing of photos. This is probably one of the more powerful photo editing apps you can get on a phone. It even edits RAW photos from the V20.
Madelynn28 said:
The problem is the massive herd of Samsung users (I am one also) that were able to just point and shoot. The software did the all the work on the sammy phones. With the V20 we have to work a little to get a great picture. I noticed it today when taking a picture for of my receipts for the headphone deal.
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I guess since I do a lot of photo work, I'm used to the idea that no camera will ever spit out a shot that's perfect right out of the box, auto or not. (Not even the three Samsungs I owned, they needed just as much adjustment as any other phone.) All images out of a camera can and do need work. For me, I feel that I don't really need to do anything out of my ordinary workflow to get images I want with the V20. I'm actually really looking forward to capturing some more classic images with this phone that haven't been achievable in recent times by most sensors these days.

It gives you a lot more options but most people don't want that. Hell I don't even want that. If I am taking a picture with my phone it just needs to get the job done. Anything else I would be using my 80D. By the way thanks for understanding and decoding those terrible sentences I wrote.

Madelynn28 said:
It gives you a lot more options but most people don't want that. Hell I don't even want that. If I am taking a picture with my phone it just needs to get the job done. Anything else I would be using my 80D. By the way thanks for understanding and decoding those terrible sentences I wrote.
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That's the thing though, this phone is made for content creators, not for someone who wants to just shoot in auto all the time. That's what iPhones and Pixels are for, not this phone. This is for those who want and know how to control photo, video and audio creation. I've got full frame DSLRs, smaller mirrorless cameras but I also like to have control over my cellphone so this was a great step in my opinion.

That's fine, but a lot of people were forced here by the Note 7 blowing up. Android people don't want iPhones and not many people buy their phones outright (Pixel). When the top gun gets taken out it makes for a weird environment when people are forced to fill gaps with things they really don't want. There is the edge 7 but it's smaller and the edge screen was trash. Like I said it's a solid phone and is faster than the Note 7. It's just missing somethings I am used too.