I think there's a serious issue with our phone's battery readings. Today I took the train at 8 am since boarding it have been using it, I also used it for 5 minutes before, it is now 846 am yet it shows screen on time of 30 minutes. Also when you restart your phone something goes wrong and the stats are totally wrong. Look at your stats now and reboot u will see that your screen on time is less than what it used to along with uptime.
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I believe my battery isn't also what it should be. The thing is that it keeps overheating, which is much more power consuming. Not necessarily too hot, but hotter than I would expect it to get.
Most of the time around 32-35 Celcius, which in comparison to my constant overheated S2 is about the same temperature, but the S2 was busted, this is brand spanking new..
Even after flashing several roms, the phone still gets quite warm, which isn't so bad most of the time, but can get quite annoying when I have to make a call or something, and the phone is burning my ear off.
I guess it is something I have to live with until the next phone, but it would be nice if anyone could tell me a way to decrease the temp for just a little bit.
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I just had a couple of longish calls in a short period. Both averaged about 30 minutes or so.
The phone is HOT. It is hot on the screen and battery side. This is not the first time the phone as started to get warm after long use.
This has never happened on my Raphael. I had it happen the other day while I was using the GPS a lot too. This seems like a very bad thing to me as heat will destroy the battery and possibly chips.
Hmmm....supposedly from the HTC site:
Why does the phone heat up when I’m charging the battery or when I’m making long duration calls? more
It is normal for the device to heat up during charging. After charging, it will return to its normal temperature. It is normal for the device to heat up when you are using the same function for a long time, such as making long duration calls or recording a long video clip. Please rest assured that all HTC devices are factory tested before released. Was this helpful? Yes | No
(I say supposedly because only way to get it was using Google Cache...the page didn't pull up from the link.)
But this isn't 'warm' like I would expect from a battery...this feels hot, like when I tell someone not to put laptop on their lap because blocks vents...and then have them put hand on their laptop. That kind of hot.
Install System info widget and check the temperature of your battery, should be at 98F - 106F
I've had mine get too hot a few times. I'm assuming that's what this means, but when the phone is hot, I see the led indicator light alternate flash between green and Orange. I've taken out the battery and let it cool down and then everything was normal again. I'm beginning to agree with other people that I don't like this phone. I never had this problem, or any problem, with my Samsung moment. If this crap continues with this phone, I am giving the Samsung epic some serious thought. People have ranted and raved HTC phones. The Evo being my first one, I'm not very impressed with it once I played with it for awhile. Yeah, the specs looked impressive on paper but in real life, I don't care too much for it. I guess I will wait and see what happens.
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Any idea why the phone would get warm when screen is off and you have no background apps running? I get this at work amd im sure its not caused by signal searching Im outside all night
My phone shut down from heat today.
I got into my car, turned on gps and bluetooth, put the phone into the mount, and started navigation. Sure enough, the thing shut down in about a min. The car and the mount were kinda hot too.
I had to take off the silicone case and point 1 air vent at the phone, to get the temperature to a pretty cool 31C (with charging at the same time).
On its own, I haven't seen the battery heat up, especially when the screen is off.
Perhaps that batter is defective, or you have a rogue process that's running the battery down.
How fast does your battery drain when it heats up, and normally?
The normal speed for draining the battery with the screen off is about 1% per 1 hour.
Covers, cases, holsters, in your pocket, being in a hot car (even not in direct sunlight), etc. Pretty much anything that can keep the heat from escaping the phone or add to the phone's temperature.
I hope cyanogen can be a miracle maker with the custom rom he's making, because this phone's quirks are getting on my nerves. Yeah, it's past the 30 day return deadline.
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Covers, cases, holsters, in your pocket, being in a hot car (even not in direct sunlight), etc. Pretty much anything that can keep the heat from escaping the phone or add to the phone's temperature.
I hope cyanogen can be a miracle maker with the custom rom he's making, because this phone's quirks are getting on my nerves. Yeah, it's past the 30 day return deadline.
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Which other phone can run 1Ghz processors and not overheat under full load and inside a case?
I think common sense tells me I should have expected that.
I get pretty good battery life from my evo. 20 hours of moderate/high usage took me to 30-40% but I work in a pretty well air-conditioned ambulance and drive around with my phone in my lap most of the time or in my pocket on occasion and when I pick it up sometimes the screen and back cover are warm. I look at battery temp and its like 32-36 degree celsius idling like that
Edit: phones naked btw no screen protector or case for now
After a couple hectic days of ebook reading and killing my battery my phone was getting hot like really randomly and when I had the screen on for like 10 mins or more, or when I charged it or pretty much if I even looked at it wrong! On a side note I have it in the body glove case from Sprint. Also my battery life was horrible. I was going down to like 30% in like 7 hour of practically no use.
Now I was running completely stock and unrooted( I hadn't felt the need to root yet) My solution was I rooted, installed DC rom then and I believe this is what fixed it cleared my battery stats from the recovery menu. Bam my phone hasn't even gotten warm since. Also it's been a week since I did this, and I'm getting crazy battery life now( like I'm down to 70-80% in 7 hours now with light use)
I was going to post this in response to a fast draining battery post, but think this is a little more important to others that might find it interesting. I noticed on Tuesday I was at home on the couch and I had a few apps running like normal and my battery was around 80 or so %, but nothing I would ever consider CPU or even GPU intensive. I think email and maybe web browser. I decided to check the weather using the "Weather and News App" I don't have wifi on and I have location via wireless turned off so I manually entered in my location. I put the phone down and I swear 30 minutes later my phone felt really warm and I went from 80 down to around 50 fast.
Yesterday I was out with the wife shopping and I had around 90%. I fired up shopsavvy because she was interested in some coffee maker and of course I had GPS off and wireless location off because all I wanted was a web price. I did my scan and put my phone in my pocket. An hour later I noticed my phone felt a bit warm and it went from 90 down to 36.
I don't know if its a combination of other things I had running, wireless and GPS off and the vibrant was working hard to try and connect or what. It was just an observation I had and basically I just shut down and turned my vibrant back on. Battery was still low and the warm area high up on the phone cooled down. I thought it was the battery at first, but since the battery is on the lower half of the phone it had to be something else.
I have had similar suspicions in the last 10 days or so but haven't narrowed it down. If you figure something out please post.
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Same heat related battery drain
Same exact issue here. Phone was at 100% at noon, I was out in the hot sun with the phone in my pocket from that point on and the phone was dead by 5pm. Any help is appreciated as I too thought it was the battery.
My phone warms up a little when I use either the GPU (gaming) or Cellular radios (continious surfing or tethering). The battery goes down because the connections or GPU is sucking juice.
Same things with my phone, battery simply drains even when phone is off in m pocket. It always feels warm and obviously something is sucking the juice out of it.
Yea, battery is the one and only thing I hate with a passion with my phone atm. Can only hope that it's just an issue that can and will be fixed via software on 2.2 :/
I noticed that my sd card is the warmest part of the back of the phone when it's in use. Have a class 4 pny 8gb from walmart
I had to uninstall shopsavvy bacause the phone was getting really warm and was draining battery very quickly.
I don't think it's shopsavvy, but maybe a faulty gps driver or the whole location awareness system.
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Im a wireless technician and when I need to climb a tower I tend to leave my phones in the truck (work phone is a S2). After a couple of hours of the phones being in sub zero temperatures, the Atrix loses about 60 to 80 percent of battery. Well, thats what the OS is telling me. It will continue to work throughout the day at 1 percent. If I charge it from that point forward it wont charge past 70 to 90 percent. Depending on how long I used it at 1 percent. Only way to fix it is remove the batter after it has been in the charger all night and put it back on once the question mark is there. And I need to do this almost every night. If I leave the phone for 30 minutes it might drop 10 to 20 percent. But just enough to mess up.
This doesnt happen with the S2. It does drain faster but it is not noticeable. Anyone else notice this? Oh and my Atrix messes up big time in the humidity so I have something to look forward to this summer.. I doubt the phone will last long enough to get ICS.
And something else I noticed. After I pick up the phone after it has been in the cold for a couple hours I will check SetCPU to see what my cpu temperature is at. I have never seen it below 18 C. Makes me wonder how accurate it actually is. If the phone is room temperature at idle, my CPU temp will be 39C. I bet it is actually only at 25 to 30 C.
I first saw this behavior when I took my Atrix camping in December. The phone was at 95% when I turned it off at night, and in the morning when I turned it on, it was at 40%. Another guy camping with us had an iPhone with a similar drop, but I don't know what his percentages were.
This weekend I was in Utah skiing and fully experienced what you are talking about...the phone was on the charger all night and it would only go to 70%. I pulled the battery and after the restart it was at 99%. This was in my heated hotel room and not outside.
I think the cold weather in general causes batteries to go crazy. Have a read:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/discharging_at_high_and_low_temperatures
I have the exact same thing happen to me as the OP and it has been happening for a long time even after i got a refurbished atrix so it is definatly something to do with the battery and not the phone itself. Damn cold Canadian winters
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I have the exact same thing happen to me as the OP and it has been happening for a long time even after i got a refurbished atrix so it is definatly something to do with the battery and not the phone itself. Damn cold Canadian winters
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Hey we can't complain. Its very mild, well here anyways. And I love wasaga. Best may long weekend place to go!
And as far as the issue.. I have noticed it with my iPhone but once charged it was always go to 100 percent. Sucks that ours really messes up.
There is a wealth of information about lithium ion batteries if you look for it. They perform better in colder temperatures. They self-discharge slower in colder temperatures. Their lifecycle degrades slower in cold temperatures.The only real drawback is that the need to be warm to pass full current, so an extremely cold battery might not power your device properly until it warms slightly. If you let your battery discharge all the time it will severely decrease it's lifecycle, as lithium ion does not cope well with this.
NASA requires that their lithium ion batteries perform to -80C.
Remember that the batteries also have protection circuitry for safety. This may be set up in the Atrix batteries to discharge rapidly under certain circumstances.
I believe you can get a rapid discharge though if you go from an extreme cold temperature to a very warm temperature quickly, which could be the case if a phone sits in a truck all day at sub-zero temps, then you jump in, start it up, and start cranking the heat.
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Never had that happen.
Had the temp down to 12 C on the phone.
It did get a little hot during the summer months.
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Hey we can't complain. Its very mild, well here anyways. And I love wasaga. Best may long weekend place to go!
And as far as the issue.. I have noticed it with my iPhone but once charged it was always go to 100 percent. Sucks that ours really messes up.
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Living here you come to know that May long weekend is the WORST time of year because the majority of tourists are jerks! Fun to watch them get arrested though Right now its cold as hell. And yea it kinda of sucks, no matter what i do i can't make it read 100% it just goes up to that on its own sometimes. One time i had my battery last 3 hours sitting at 1%.
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I've had my atrix shut off on me while skiing a few times. Get home and plug it in and it has plenty of juice...just cant push out enough current to power the phone properly.
My phone sits in my work truck all day (since its not intrinsically safe) and even when the temp is well below zero it never fails to come off the vehicle dock without a full charge just that sometimes it thinks 40% or 70% is a full charge fixed it pretty much the same way as you guys described. Other than that in low temps the touch screen responsiveness is sometimes an issue and ocassionally the external sd card wont show up until it warms up. but overall a reliable phone considering the abuse it takes. wonderfull build quality from motorola as usual.
However... I think heat is a bigger issue as I managed to melt my first vehicle dock this summer when it hit 34C in Calgary. The suction cup and part of the stem remained on the windshield but luckly the phone fell to the floor in the shade.
Really surprised I haven't seen any pix of melted atrix on the internet unlike the S2 & Iphone4
Dear Friends and Community,
I recently acquired the S4 with moderate excitement. I already had a S3 and I was very happy with it but I had the option to get an S4 after extending one of our contracts so I went for it and gave my S3 to my wife - she's very happy with it now But i am not very happy with my S4 for 2 reasons:
- Extensive heat generation (36-47C) while surfing, watching videos, natigating calling etc.
- The heat seems to originate from the top portion of the phone on the back as well as the front side around the camera. it is uncomfortable to hold it against my hear on call
- My S3 did not heat up this much or this often. I also did not have any battery charge cliffs or jumps with my S3.
- As the device heats up, the battery drains INSANELY fast. Also I've noticed a disruptive and sudden battery discharge. As I charged my device for the frist time to 100% moments later the battery level jumped from for example 95% to 82% in one second. Is this due to battery calibration issues (because the device is new and the battery has not been charged many times yet) or is this something that can be considered a hardware flaw of the battery or device? I could be watching a video at medium brightness and my battery would go down by 1% each 2 minutes.
Sometimes during use and especially when it heats up some percentages are skipped while discharging (95%, 93%, 89% without sequencing down one by one but rather as 'chunks' of battery loss. ) did you exhibit similar behavior on your phone? Are these battery 'jumps' tied to the heat development?
And now the main questions: Should I return the device and exchange it against a new one or should I wait until Rom development or a patch tackles the problem ? I've already installed a recent OTA from Samsung and hoped the problem would vanish but no luck.
I'd be thrilled to hear your Opinions.
Best,
Thomas
Ive also noticed heating up and fast battery discharge, not one full day of normal usage, my s3 lasted at least 2 times longer. i hope it will pass as i finish 3 times battery charge discharge. for now im excited with camera quality and benchmarks scores i love this phone already, its still plastic but i dont care, with every phone i use silicon or other cases, for s4 i bought original samsung case with plastic back rounded by rubber.
In few days if overheating and fast discharge will not pass on its own i will flash firmware again with kies (repeir mode) and reset all settings.
I also experienced the same issue, its getting hot not warm while doing normal tasks... Dear Thomas u have see temp. in between 37 to 47 but my phone heats upto 55c while gaming... now my phone is with samsung service center, but i am not sure they will replace it with new one as their policy allows replacement only within seven days from the date of purchase and i bought it 27th April itself, just next day of launch. Now i am thinking that why the hell i rushed to buy it. i should have waited for user reviews...
And BTW flashing original firmware doesn't help. Because people at service center had done that and given my cell back to me, but that issue was still there so submitted it again to the service center.....
Are you guys getting these temperature readings using e.g. Battery temperature reading of Cool Tool?
My battery temperature as reported by cool tool never got above 40C but it felt quite hot to the touch already And I am not using any case on it...
I have a case arround it. I will play some games later to see where the temp peaks. but I think it will also be around 50 because it already gets pretty warm doing basic stuff like watching videos or using viber to call.
It feels like this is a problem for all S4's out there.
Check out this video at min 3:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUx40kXZF5s (Steep drops in battery)
I really don't want to send in my device for no reason because I will most probably get a refurb or even a device with more problems.
I just want to know if other people have experienced similar issue.
You can check with the app called BatteryGraph and see if sometimes a few percent are skipped down the graph.
It would be great if someone did this for me
Same here with the heat. I undervolted -37,5mV and underclocked 300MHz, now everything is fine
Benchmarkscores are a little worse, but tbh, I really don't care. No current app or game is gonna use it anyway. Seems like a waste of battery life to keep the 1,9GHz clock speed.
Did the same with the Galaxy S2 I owned, which became quite hot too. Samsung has a tendency to overclock their chips just to outperform every other phone on the market, but the truth is, there is virtually no benefit in keeping the maxed clock speed in everyday use, other than doing benchmarks all the time ...
Help me out here, I think my G2 which used to be a battery champ is now absolutely awful. I don't really know if it's the phone going wrong or my different usage and the way apps might have evolved.
I think the phone is also heating up way more than it used to do. In fact, I never used to notice the phone getting warm at all and never knew what people with SD810 phones were talking about. If I happen to run a game like Boom Beach or Fallout Shelter for 5 minutes, not only the battery suffers a huge drop, the phone gets almost uncomfortably hot (*). These games can kill the battery in 1:30 hours of SOT which I think isn't probably normal.
The numbers I now have to show are of the phone fully charged last night before going to bed, turning the phone off and then turning it on to clean running ups, etc and left idle while sleeping.
Went to bed with a full battery at around 4:30 AM and it's now 15:46 and battery is down to 64%. Turned the screen at 13:00 to see notifications and browse through news, made a single phone call that must have lasted less than 10 minutes. Pictures, although I think they won't help much except for the SOT:
I bought this phone used and I think it was refurbished. Came from Spain (I'm in Portugal) and happens to be an AT&T version. Screen was always a bit dark and a panel that I believe has been replaced. I think the screen is also going, sometimes it won't respond to touches on the far right edge.
I have it running on the official Lollipop firmware that I manually flashed (no OTA here) but I've tried different ROMs to see if they make any difference (Cloudy 2.2 and 3.3., CM13 and Blisspop Marshmallow). They don't, battery behavior is the same, phone heats up.
I need to know if this is normal for you guys still using the phone (software evolves and maybe things are more demanding on this old phone) or if something is wrong with mine. If it is, I need to think about sending it for repair (probably not worth it) or get a new one.
Not the best of times for me to be spending money on stuff like this but I'm really starting not to trust this phone, carrying the charger with me all the time and have a nasty suspetion screen might die for good one of these days.
Any feedback much appreciated!!
(*) Gets hot mainly on the top back, near the camera lens. Sometimes screen gets also hot but I think it might be due to heat transfer from the back.
I would replace the battery. Li-on batteries typically don't last for more than two to three years. Useful life span depends on how deep the average usage cycle is. I typically try to keep them from going below 40%. An old battery that no longer holds a good charge can cause similar problems. Most rechargeable batteries, including lead-acid automotive batteries in general, suffer from deep cycle charging.
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I would replace the battery. Li-on batteries typically don't last for more than two to three years. Useful life span depends on how deep the average usage cycle is. I typically try to keep them from going below 40%. An old battery that no longer holds a good charge can cause similar problems. Most rechargeable batteries, including lead-acid automotive batteries in general, suffer from deep cycle charging.
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Yeh, I know...
I tested it a bit more and at least now I know it is definitely draining way faster than it ever did and I don't see anything that is especially killing the battery (kept off games that I don't even play so much anyway). Oh well, time for a new one I guess. I have been postponing buying one until all these new 2016 main phones came out and they are all pretty much out already.
After running certain apps, or sometimes after connecting to USB in the car, the G2 will go into an overheating condition, with the battery charge rapidly falling. I just reboot it to clear it, and it's back to normal.
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After running certain apps, or sometimes after connecting to USB in the car, the G2 will go into an overheating condition, with the battery charge rapidly falling. I just reboot it to clear it, and it's back to normal.
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Tried that, even made two more factory re-sets. No good, same results... poor thing is going, I'm already convinced of that. It's draining about 1% per minute with screen on, regardless of what I'm doing. About 12% drain with it just sitting on my night table for 6 hours while I was sleeping.
Trying to find a replacement now which is driving me insane.
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Tried that, even made two more factory re-sets. No good, same results... poor thing is going, I'm already convinced of that. It's draining about 1% per minute with screen on, regardless of what I'm doing. About 12% drain with it just sitting on my night table for 6 hours while I was sleeping.
Trying to find a replacement now which is driving me insane.
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Well, replacement batteries are a lot cheaper than phones. Why not replace the battery, and squeeze a little more life out of it? Would also serve as a backup phone after you do get a replacement.
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Well, replacement batteries are a lot cheaper than phones. Why not replace the battery, and squeeze a little more life out of it? Would also serve as a backup phone after you do get a replacement.
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I'm pretty sure battery isn't the only thing going bad, screen sometimes doesn't respond or respond weird. Mine is already a refurbished unit that I bought because it was the best, cheapest and quicker to get phone after drowning the one I had before. It's not factory refurnished though, some guy in a shed did it. Worked very well until now though but I prefer just to get something that is new instead of paying for the repair of one thing and having another breaking the week after that.
It's going to be either another G2 (found one that seems to be an unused unit but seller hasn't got back to me yet and it would cost pretty much the same or less than a battery/screen replacement) or I'll just get some other recent flagshipy phone that will allow me not to think about phones for at least the next 3 years. Not really sure what that would be but hey..