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Little quirk of the s-pen

I've noticed something interesting with the s-pen. Having used a lot of phones that had a stylus, i am using the s-pen a lot. If I'm using the phone in bed and I'm lying down with the phone held above me, when using the s-pen, the phone will respond to the pen even if it's held up to a centimetre above the screen without actually making contact.
Anyone else noticed this? Still loving the phone though. It's clearly the best device i have ever had.
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Mine doesn't do that. In fact, I can very lightly touch the screen with the stylus without it registering. I have to give it a little pressure. This is in any position. I saw a YouTube video of someone having the same effect you describe, though; I wonder if it's a stylus thing or a screen thing.

maxh said:
Mine doesn't do that. In fact, I can very lightly touch the screen with the stylus without it registering. I have to give it a little pressure. This is in any position. I saw a YouTube video of someone having the same effect you describe, though; I wonder if it's a stylus thing or a screen thing.
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Same as you. I honestly wish it was a tiny bit more sensitive to be honest.
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I've noticed something interesting with the s-pen. Having used a lot of phones that had a stylus, i am using the s-pen a lot. If I'm using the phone in bed and I'm lying down with the phone held above me, when using the s-pen, the phone will respond to the pen even if it's held up to a centimetre above the screen without actually making contact.
Anyone else noticed this? Still loving the phone though. It's clearly the best device i have ever had.
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It's supposed to know the pen is there before it touches the screen so it can turn off the touch screen. That way your palm does not activate it.

spfraggle said:
I've noticed something interesting with the s-pen. Having used a lot of phones that had a stylus, i am using the s-pen a lot. If I'm using the phone in bed and I'm lying down with the phone held above me, when using the s-pen, the phone will respond to the pen even if it's held up to a centimetre above the screen without actually making contact.
Anyone else noticed this? Still loving the phone though. It's clearly the best device i have ever had.
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I've experienced that, quite a few times (makes it frustrating to play "Crayon physics"!).

spfraggle said:
I've noticed something interesting with the s-pen. Having used a lot of phones that had a stylus, i am using the s-pen a lot. If I'm using the phone in bed and I'm lying down with the phone held above me, when using the s-pen, the phone will respond to the pen even if it's held up to a centimetre above the screen without actually making contact.
Anyone else noticed this? Still loving the phone though. It's clearly the best device i have ever had.
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The reason it is probably doing that is because of how Wacom technology is designed. To register interaction with the screen, the tip on the stylus is pressed down to make contact with the sensor inside the stylus. It then communicates with the radio inside the screen. So obviously if the stylus is held upside down, the tip will be making constant contact with the sensor. It could be that the stylus tip is slightly loose, so you should try another Wacom stylus.

cadavar said:
The reason it is probably doing that is because of how Wacom technology is designed. To register interaction with the screen, the tip on the stylus is pressed down to make contact with the sensor inside the stylus. It then communicates with the radio inside the screen. So obviously if the stylus is held upside down, the tip will be making constant contact with the sensor. It could be that the stylus tip is slightly loose, so you should try another Wacom stylus.
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I just confirmed this on mine. I used a piece of tape to hold the tip of my stylus depressed, and that caused me to experience the issue. Looks like some people have defective stylii.

Heard about it before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VfkXo0KU5c&sns=em

Also, if you change the angle of using the pen, the ink start from higher (not from under the pen)!

zsolti256 said:
Also, if you change the angle of using the pen, the ink start from higher (not from under the pen)!
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I would venture a guess that this problem is the underlying issue with the minority of people who complain that the stylus is inaccurate. I wonder if it would be possible for Samsung or someone here to create a calibration function so as to adapt to how the user typically holds the stylus.
Or we could go this route...
<apple>You're holding it wrong!</apple>

I think the offset of the pen is actually purposely added to look more natural in most use-cases, but occasionally manifests itself strangely, like at strange angles. Here's the easiest way to reproduce the weirdness -
Turn off auto-rotation.
In normal portrait orientation, bring up the S-memo quick note double tap thing.
Write your name (or whatever) along the bottom of the quick note, holding the pen as you typically would. Notice how the strokes are drawn.
Without closing that note, hold the phone upside-down.
Now write the same thing you wrote before, along what is now the bottom of the note. Notice how the strokes are now drawn.
The strokes are offset in the direction that you tilt the pen (non-inverted control scheme ), but is also offset very slightly higher up the screen that the pen by default. This is so as to look more natural in normal use, because of course the pen does not actually touch the area that it is drawing on; the glass is in the way. The effect stacks somewhat strangely, however, when holding it, for example, upside-down.

theimaginaryage said:
I think the offset of the pen is actually purposely added to look more natural in most use-cases, but occasionally manifests itself strangely, like at strange angles. Here's the easiest way to reproduce the weirdness -
Turn off auto-rotation.
In normal portrait orientation, bring up the S-memo quick note double tap thing.
Write your name (or whatever) along the bottom of the quick note, holding the pen as you typically would. Notice how the strokes are drawn.
Without closing that note, hold the phone upside-down.
Now write the same thing you wrote before, along what is now the bottom of the note. Notice how the strokes are now drawn.
The strokes are offset in the direction that you tilt the pen (non-inverted control scheme ), but is also offset very slightly higher up the screen that the pen by default. This is so as to look more natural in normal use, because of course the pen does not actually touch the area that it is drawing on; the glass is in the way. The effect stacks somewhat strangely, however, when holding it, for example, upside-down.
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i think i am a lucky one, i dont have this werdness at all it works the same exactly both ways.. knowing im on middle east ROM.

hazem77 said:
i think i am a lucky one, i dont have this werdness at all it works the same exactly both ways.. knowing im on middle east ROM.
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Interesting! I assumed people were seeing differences just because they were using the phone in different ways, but if you still can't see it by doing this, I guess there actually is a fundamental difference in different phones.
Was there a calibration thing when we first set up the phone? I don't remember anymore. BTW, I'm on KJ4.

No, no calibration thing at the beginning. Still hoping for one.

One thing i thought i should be clear on. The stylus works perfectly fine in all other situations and it's only if the device is angled in that way the stylus behaves accordingly. Personally, it's not a problem for me. I still see this as the best device i have ever owned.
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AnandA777 said:
Or we could go this route...
<apple>You're holding it wrong!</apple>
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Very Clever

I still think that if the galaxy note displayed a little dot while hovering with the pen, it would be much better. With all wacom devices on windows, with a tablet or a wacom layer above a screen, the dot lets you see exactly where the next stroke will begin.
When you use a wacom pen, you don't start your next stroke based on the location of the actual pen on the screen.
Even with perfect calibration you still have the parallax effect looking through a thick glass layer. Looking even at a slightly different angle will cause the pen to be off again.
Instead, you use the dot.
Hopefully someone will be able to develop something to put a dot or a cursor of some sort on the screen.

S pen with out touch

When i come close to a button with s pen witout hitting it. It goes on.how can i come over it...it can be cool some times. .its to sensetive
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i notice tha s pen is not calibrated, i mean it is not exactly very accurate, its about one mm above from the contact point.

Some people say that is problem from spen, not the device.

I found that when I rotate the device and let the screen face to the ground, the spen can remote control some area. I happened to found this when I lie on my bed.

Yes it happens to me too. Doodling while in bed was one of the reasons I bought the Note.. I've just ordered a new s-pen. I'll let you know if this changes the note behaviour while facing down.
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this is pen dependent: i had three notes (each of them had another display defect), and at first i thought this was device dependent, because my first one was very sensitive (as you describe it here), my second one the total opposite. my third one was something in the middle...
then i bought the pen (with holder) from amazon, and with this pen the "feeling" when writing etc. was much more perfect. because i had the second note still available i tried the new pen with it, and it behaved totally the same as nr. 3 when using the same pen.
so my conclusion is that all this is much more related to manufacturing differences of the pen, not the note.
still, a function for calibrating the pen would be very usefull...
2 additional things:
first, rumour is spread that with ICS this should get better, because ICS has native support for (inductive digitizer-, like our wacom) pens!
second: the screen is able to distinguish between hand and pen input (standard capacitive pens would act like a finger, so there wouldnt be any difference), you can see this in the service menu: dialer *#0*# where the according tests only react to finger OR pen!
why samsung didn't include this function into s-note is out of my understanding, as it would make it a lot easier to write...

I don't know if it's coincidence but this problem begins when I put a screen protector.

S-Pen Responsivity

Hey xda, i just got my GNote and i was hugely excited for one Feature: The S-Pen
I imagined it to be like the Wacom Tablets i used, barely Touch needed to respond but instead i feel like i got a faulty Device. How does your S-Pen react? Does it respond under its own weight, does it feel naturally to Touch or do you actually need to Press on the screen quite a bit? I feel like the Pressure of writing with a Normal Pen on Paper is needed for it to respond, natural while Writing or Scribbling but weird when trying to type or navigate through Menus. I cant seem to find anyone else reporting this kind of Problem, i was on the Latest stock Firmware and now on Rocket Rom GB, no change. Also is there an Test App to show the Pressure on the Pen? (Since its 128? levels Pressure Sensitive.)
Please help and tell me if i should get a new device or if this is normal.
Thanks in advance.

With mine, sometimes the phone reacts to the s-pen close to, but not actually touching the screen. Sometimes I have to do what I'm gonna do, then pull the pen quickly away from the screen to keep from another action being performed.

Mine has the same problem of not being responsive, and I can't for the life of me get it to be pressure sensitive. On top of that it lags quite a bit. I am hoping that it improves with ICS update, but I am not holding out much hope. I purchased it cause of the S pen, but having owned it a while, I would keep it without the S pen.

I don't have any of the problems mentioned, the s pen works smoothly without having to use much pressure, what apps are you guys using?
All of the standard Samsung apps work fine i.e. s memo etc
I use my Note to take handwritten notes on a regular basis and write at my normal handwriting pace using 7 notes from the market in cursive mode and it works flawlessly. I do not have to apply much pressure when writing.
I think you guys must have faulty units.

HasC said:
I don't have any of the problems mentioned, the s pen works smoothly without having to use much pressure, what apps are you guys using?
All of the standard Samsung apps work fine i.e. s memo etc
I use my Note to take handwritten notes on a regular basis and write at my normal handwriting pace using 7 notes from the market in cursive mode and it works flawlessly. I do not have to apply much pressure when writing.
I think you guys must have faulty units.
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look carefully at what you're writing and you'll notice the s-pen is off buy ~1-2mm. If you still can't see it change the line thickness (of the pen) to as low as possible then look carefully. It gives the illusion of being more accurate with a bigger line size.

Here's a thought...
Why don't you all SEARCH first, read the numerous threads on this very same subject, then purchase the app TOUCHSCREENtuner Pro. Then you can set the s-pen to write EXACTLY where you want w/o any left right up down error. I believe you might also be able to calibrate the touch pressure, but I'm not positive about that feature.
I bought the app the day it was released and have no complaints about the app price or the s-pen functionality. Try it!
The search button is your friend.
kraz
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It seems there is a large range in quality of s-pens. Many people report being able to write without the pen even touching the screen (pressure transducer triggered prematurely), and some report having to push too hard. Mine is just right. I think others should request s-pen replacements if their pen is either too sensitive or not sensitive enough.

i haven't ever had problems with the s-pen, but now i have the same named before. it's only before the update to LC1. maybe the rom has some wrong parameters about the s-pen. if it continues, i think i'll downgrade to LB2

asusgarb said:
i haven't ever had problems with the s-pen, but now i have the same named before. it's only before the update to LC1. maybe the rom has some wrong parameters about the s-pen. if it continues, i think i'll downgrade to LB2
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TouchScreenTuner Pro has a "Touch Sensitivity" Setting. Recommended setting is 25. I have it set to 20 and s-pen writes with almost no pressure at all.
kraz

krazman325 said:
Here's a thought...
Why don't you all SEARCH first, read the numerous threads on this very same subject, then purchase the app TOUCHSCREENtuner Pro. Then you can set the s-pen to write EXACTLY where you want w/o any left right up down error. I believe you might also be able to calibrate the touch pressure, but I'm not positive about that feature.
I bought the app the day it was released and have no complaints about the app price or the s-pen functionality. Try it!
The search button is your friend.
kraz
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Here's another thought.
According to the description, it also requires root, which some like me do not have.

I exchanged one pen under warranty. The second one works also like crap, but for this one i really have to push on screen. Crap.
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Using an alternate (wacom) pen?

hi guys,
hopefully this thread is in the right place, if not i apologise!
I'm an artist, and one of the primary reasons for getting my note was the pressure sensitive stylus. after doing some research i found out that it was made by wacom, which is even more awesome.
now, wacom make their stylus's to have the pressure sensitivity built into the pen, and the tracking built into the pad/screen. so with that in-mind, i was wondering if it's possible (in theory) to use say... an intuos pen on a galaxy note, and benefit from the increased pressure sensitivity?
i'm aware, after trying it myself, that simply using the pen on the screen doesn't work... that's fine. so what kind of effort would it take to make it work? has anyone already got it working or even tried?
cheers!

Good post
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I can confirm the pen from a x201 thinkpad tablet works with my note.
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Hi,
A similar thread exists and lists pens that are known to work and not work with our Notes, hopefully you can find your answer here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1339268
I use a Wacom pen from an old notebook I have, the Thinkpad X61T. I am not an artist however,I use it to take notes and the pressure sensitivity works really well. I would recommend that you download infinite painter from the market to see how well the pressure sensitivity works for drawing.

I tried a few Wacom pens with no luck, though I have heard of people getting good results. In the end, I just ponied up for the official S-pen holder kit, which is great. It's much easier to draw and write with the normal sized pen. IF you don't mind parting with the $50, it may be exactly what you're looking for.

HasC said:
Hi,
A similar thread exists and lists pens that are known to work and not work with our Notes, hopefully you can find your answer here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1339268
I use a Wacom pen from an old notebook I have, the Thinkpad X61T. I am not an artist however,I use it to take notes and the pressure sensitivity works really well. I would recommend that you download infinite painter from the market to see how well the pressure sensitivity works for drawing.
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thanks for the link, will take a look through it in a minute or so.
what i'm looking for is a boost in sensitivity. the s-pen only has something like 128 levels of sensitivity, my intuos has 2048 which is a huuuuge difference.

I try Cintiq pen,no luck.I heardthats works.
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I believe only Wacom styli meant for Tablet PC's work with the Note. The Penabled kind.
I have tried the original Thinkpad X220 tablet pen and another Wacom Tablet PC pen (there are several variants available) and both work well with the Note. However, I have not noticed any difference between them and the original Note stylus.

How to Adjust Your Samsung Galaxy Note's S-Pen Sensitivity for Better Touch Response

Got this Info from Google
Touchscreens are all the rage these days, and it seems that the stylus has become a relic of the past thanks to newer and better fingertip responsive smartphone displays. But when it comes to phablets like Samsung's Galaxy Note line, the added S-Pen is definitely helpful for more accurate and precise actions (and a less greasy screen).
Of course, there are disadvantages of using an S-Pen too, one being hardware issues. Unlike your finger, the S-Pen can malfunction and become a huge problem, not giving you that precision it once used to. So, if you're having problems with choppiness, light touches, or having to press hard for your pen to register, you can...
Smack It
I am a firm believer of the "if you hit it, it shall work," theory of the mid-80s. If you hit any malfunctioning device with just the right amount of force and anger, its usually fixes the problem. And that goes for the Note's S-Pen, as well.
Take the S-Pen, and slam it decently hard on a flat surface. It's that simple. Now if that doesn't work, you can take a more technically and less-forceful route to help fine tune your Samsung S-Pen...
Adjust the Potentiometer
The potentiometer is an electro-mechanical transducer that converts the movement of your stylus into electrical resistance (or something like that). Basically it's what makes your stylus work with your screen.
And guess what?
You can open up your S-Pen and adjust the meter yourself, no matter what S-Pen it is.
This will work for the Samsung Galaxy Note's, Galaxy Note II's, and Galaxy Note 10.1's S-Pen—or pretty much any other stylus with a button. This will not work on any regular conductive styluses without buttons.
You will need to take off the click button on the body of the S-Pen. You can just pop it off with a razor. And don't worry—it can be put back into place without a problem.
Once this button is off, you will have access to the potentiometer.
The potentiometer on the LEFT in the picture above and below is the one you will be adjusting.
Using a razor or small screwdriver, you can turn the potentiometer clockwise to decrease sensitivity and counter-clockwise to increase it. Test it out and see if it works to your liking, then put the button back on.
This tip could also work with a bunch of other styli with buttons, not just the Samsung branded versions, but will not work on regular conductive styli, since all that they do is simulate your fingertip.

how about potention meter in the right?
What is it function?
correct me if I'm wrong

zaydvath said:
how about potention meter in the right?
What is it function?
correct me if I'm wrong
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Potentiometer Click Here for more info

Interesting Tweak:good:

Thanks for this! I tested it and this has improved the pen sensitivity... though there's still lag. And according to Andreilux this has something to do with the binary of the rom. I hope developers will work out some calibration tool for the wacom drivers. I created a thread yesterday.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39712192#post39712192

Amazung
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zaydvath said:
how about potention meter in the right?
What is it function?
correct me if I'm wrong
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These two pots look like they are in series here, which would probably make them Coarse (Left) and Fine (Right) Adjustment. However has anyone thrown a multi-meter on this to read the resistances?

Thank you so much for sharing this!

Note 3 Neo
Confirmed working on the Note 3 Neo.
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thanks for the info ~~