That's it folks.
B&N is pulling the plug on its Nook line of products.
Still love my emmc CM10.1 Nook HD+... Hope it will still get some love from verygreen and other great devs!
Source:
businesswire.com/news/home/20130625005839/en/Barnes-Noble-Reports-Fiscal-2013-Year-End-Financial
(Sorry can't post links yet...)
Not exactly the end. "the company’s tablet line will be co-branded with yet to be announced third party manufacturers of consumer electronics products" means there's at least a possibility that Nooks will just go a sort of Nexus route, i.e. the new manufacturer covers the hardware and gets hardware profits but the device still has B&N branding. Of course, it could just be a normal tablet with the Nook app preinstalled, but we shall see.
My only question would be extended warranties what will they do if a unit needs replacement in the next two years?
Should be an even bigger price drop to sell off the stock. May snap up a few more if the HD+ goes to $100 or less.
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Not exactly the end. "the company’s tablet line will be co-branded with yet to be announced third party manufacturers of consumer electronics products" means there's at least a possibility that Nooks will just go a sort of Nexus route, i.e. the new manufacturer covers the hardware and gets hardware profits but the device still has B&N branding. Of course, it could just be a normal tablet with the Nook app preinstalled, but we shall see.
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This will most likely be with Microsoft and a Windows RT or Windows 8.x product. They put $300m USD into B&N in April 2012, and they are looking for a way to grow the ailing Surface RT business.
Although B&N says they are committed to supporting NOOK HD & NOOK HD+ owners, you see how quickly NOOKcolor & NOOK Tablet owners were left in the wind. Give it a year to wind down the Android business and expect a new, Windows based product sometime holiday season this year or early summer (reading season) next year.
It's not 100% clear if the Nook range will end or not. What is clear however, is that Nook will stop manufacturing Nook's. The two statements I have just made are not the same.
Nook will stop manufacturing their Nook tablets, and are looking for a partner to manufacturer new tablets. Since manufacturing takes a big bite of their operating costs, manufacturing will be withheld. So perhaps the HD and HD+ will continue to sell, but will no longer be manufactured by Nook, but by another manufacturer. They may replicate the Nook HD and HD+, or they may manufacture completely different Nooks for B&N.
Or perhaps, the new tablet range will no longer be called "Nook" by B&N? Only time will tell, but this isn't the end. I believe it's the start of something new.
My sources:
http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2013/...tners-with-third-party-manufacturers-instead/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ok-on-its-nook-tablet-manufacturing-business/
http://www.geekosystem.com/no-more-nooks/
At the VERY tail end of inventory depletion they MIGHT push the balance out at $100 for a 16GB HD+, but I doubt it. They will bleed stock at the current loss of margin, but not seeing them eat any more than they are now. The device is selling fairly well now.... which will also result in more loss for the next quarter at the current price. They would be nuts to drop more unless already accrued as a bigger loss, but not likely.
The next Nook related device would be a Microsoft product, so no more Android regardless.
Maybe if they supported developers and opened their system up and not lock in down in the beginning, then their profits wouldn't be so low. People don't want corporations making the choices of what you can/can't install on your device.
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Maybe if they supported developers and opened their system up and not lock in down in the beginning, then their profits wouldn't be so low. People don't want corporations making the choices of what you can/can't install on your device.
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As folks have mentioned, the model for this device was sell at near loss at current price and make it up with their locked in app store. It was a Catch 22, since your point and the market option was key in the device failure. That said, the build, display, general performance and battery life make it IMO the perfect tablet for comics, books, emulators, games and media. For the price and using CM 10.1, it is a no-brainer.
For emulators, it is better than than my two tablets with the Tegra 3 chipet and sleep mode battery drain is FAR better. The only tablet that is better in the sleep mode regard is the iPad. For Android, this is the best tablet I have owned for sleep mode drain and I had or tested about every main-stream tablet that exisits at one time or another. Most Android tablets are not too good for sleep mode drain- especially Tegra 3.
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Should be an even bigger price drop to sell off the stock. May snap up a few more if the HD+ goes to $100 or less.
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just depends on how well they are selling at the current prices. HD+ at $149 is an absolute steal. I just picked one up yesterday. Google has waited too long to announce the Nexus 7. This may prevent me from getting one.
It's a shame it hasn't been making them money as it really is a quality bit of kit for the price point.
I was for the Nexus 7 for a long time but when this got google apps the extra screen real estate was a big plus (I read mags/comics on it) for not much extra weight.
Hopefully they get a quality third party to continue the manufacturing.
I also think though that they need to advertise the device better. I knew nothing about the HD+ until google apps appeared on it and was across more mainstream tech news sites that I read.
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It's a shame it hasn't been making them money as it really is a quality bit of kit for the price point.
I was for the Nexus 7 for a long time but when this got google apps the extra screen real estate was a big plus (I read mags/comics on it) for not much extra weight.
Hopefully they get a quality third party to continue the manufacturing.
I also think though that they need to advertise the device better. I knew nothing about the HD+ until google apps appeared on it and was across more mainstream tech news sites that I read.
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I agree. The extra screen real estate is great. Also, I love that they used a wider (in portrait) screen than most (who are using 16:10). For tablets, it makes much more sense. I actually wish they would take it a step farther and go 4:3 like iPad. Currently, the only tablets I aware of that do this is the Archos tablets. Tablets really are best for use with a 4:3 ratio.
My only annoyance is the settings for density. Everything seems WAAAAYYY too small for my eyes on this puppy. I'm definitly going to be adjusting it once I get CM loaded up.
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I agree. The extra screen real estate is great. Also, I love that they used a wider (in portrait) screen than most (who are using 16:10). For tablets, it makes much more sense. I actually wish they would take it a step farther and go 4:3 like iPad. Currently, the only tablets I aware of that do this is the Archos tablets. Tablets really are best for use with a 4:3 ratio.
My only annoyance is the settings for density. Everything seems WAAAAYYY too small for my eyes on this puppy. I'm definitly going to be adjusting it once I get CM loaded up.
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Dont have that problem myself. Everything seems crisp and clear.
Not dead yet?
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/08/barnes-noble-not-giving-up-on-nook-tablets-after-all/
Nice!! I totally agree with what the new CEO said.
Another big reason is TI is out of the game. So I am wondering what will be the CPU of next Kindle? Snapdragon? BTW I love my NOOK HD+, perfect device for pdf, ebook and comics!!!
I bought a Nook HD + a week ago... for tablet use, not for reading books (I prefer paper in my hands), the Nook HD+ is a great device for my intended use... and the price was right! Found a Microsoft BT keyboard (mobile keyboard 6000) that works perfectly with the HD+. I give it 2 thumbsup!
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I know we are probably no very close at all to the release of the Nook color 2 but i want to know what you people want to see in the next nook.
I want to see
1. 1 Ghz Processor Stock (not having to put custom kernel onto)
2. One camera on front of the device
3. HDMI port
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I know we are probably no very close at all to the release of the Nook color 2 but i want to know what you people want to see in the next nook.
I want to see
1. 1 Ghz Processor Stock (not having to put custom kernel onto)
2. One camera on front of the device
3. HDMI port
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All three are pretty much unnecessary for the ebook market.
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All three are pretty much unnecessary for the ebook market.
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If the original only had what was "-necessary for the ebook market," none of us would be here
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If the original only had what was "-necessary for the ebook market," none of us would be here
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Lol
I agree it will probably have the Camera, maybe the 1ghz processor(but definitely not dual core) and definitly no HDMI port. lol that last one was just dreaming... but a guy(or a women) can dream
I suspect louder speakers! lol
I agree with burns... If they do anything to the Nook Color, it'll be make it lighter. I doubt they'll continue to try and compete in the Tablet market. It would just be silly, especially with Amazon positioning themselves to make a tablet that undercuts everything on the market less of chinese tablets.
I do agree it's unlikely that the tablet 'sweet spot' B&N hit with the current NC will still be there around October when it's time for a new device. They would probably be smarter to focus on increasing battery life and lowering cost while increasing their color-specific offerings (kids books, magazines, cookbooks/how-to).
Same device, slightly new proc maybe but....
Half the weight!,
Sent from my NookColor using XDA Premium App
Please, oh please...an 8.9" screen that approximates the page size of a "trade" paperback.
This has been my reading goal from the beginning as 6 is too small and 10.1 is too large.
More up-to-date processor (though the current is doing just fine) and full Andorid Market access without rooting (let the quality of the unit speak for itself...don't hamstring it).
A truly non-glare AND (largely) non-reflective screen.
A front firing speaker!!!
8 1/2-9.0 would be a real "Goldilocks" range though I have gotten quite used to the 7"!
And, last but not least, a removable battery or significantly extended battery life.
A user serviceable battery for sure
Def. the battery
lighter
better "anti-glare" technology, whatever that may be
camera would be nice, but probably won't get it
Proc would be nice too, and may get that
Speaker quality is really imperative....
Here's hoping!
DB
Honestly I don't expect anything out of the Nook Color 2, because I don't think it will have the same developer community so I won't want one.
The Nook Color is what it is because from October of last year, to this month (when sub-$300 Galaxy Tabs began popping up on the internet) it was the best tablet value. For much of that time, it was BY FAR the best tablet value- beating other options by $hundreds.
That is no longer the case, and it won't be the case for the next Nook Color. We will probably keep our pace of development on the original for at least another six months due to critical mass, but the next great hackable ereader is probably that tablet Amazon is keeping under wraps.
If B&N is smart they won't replace the first Nook Color for a while (aka sometime in 2012)...
Who needs a tablet in 2012? We'll all be gone anyways! lol... silly interwebs-peoplez.
There will be no crazy nook color 2.
The nook color does everything an ereader should do, too much in fact. B&N dont want you to buy the NC they want you to buy BOOKS! Adding more features to appeal to this community is the LAST thing they will do.
If anything they will revise the current nook with a better anti glare coating, hopefully a better speaker and i would not be surprised to see a locked bootloader and the ability to boot from SD removed.
The "hacking" community has been great thus far because now they can say we have sold "eleventy billion machines"! Now that they have that bit of marketing under their belt theres NO reason under the sun to cater to us anymore and every reason to start locking it down and protecting their interests...
My guess is it will probably happen as soon as amazon uses nook marketing against them. "XX% of nook colors are running the amazon kindle app" Makes one appealing tag line for amazon. If that happens the shareholders will put an end to the fun quick enough.
TLR the original nook color is probably as good as its going to get for us.
For me Nook is perfect as it now with CM7 + OC kernel:
Fast and smooth for ebooks, web, music, movies and casual gaming.
As the bug for battery life is fixed, it is astonishing about power.
Wifi is really ok with my MB511 (tethered 3G/Wifi from the backpack to the nook).
Maybe a bluetooth keyboard or a dock like the asus transformer and i have a netbook
For the size, 8.9" would be great without screen border.
I'd like to see at least a mono mike input
for voice control & email - SMS to text apps and voice chat
The fabled Amazon tablet will have a lot to say about whether there will be another NC, and what it will look like.
We should do everything we can do prolong the life of the NC now.
Still rocking the Incredible with the XDA Premium App.
The only improvement I can think of considering this is an ebook device would be a better screen for use outdoors as others have said.
The current screen is awesome indoors... great color, great viewing angles. I'm also impressed how good the touch sensitivity is for a resistive digitizer. But outdoors I can barely see what I'm trying to read through the reflection of my face or of the sky.
Had I bought this primarily as an ereader I'd be disappointed.
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I'm also impressed how good the touch sensitivity is for a resistive digitizer.
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Good sensitivity "for a resistive digitizer" is a rather poor review of a capacitive touchscreen
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Good sensitivity "for a resistive digitizer" is a rather poor review of a capacitive touchscreen
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Whoops. I swear I read it was resistive before I bought it. Either way it's quite good the only issue I have is the position jumping when I lift my finger off (such as when using the arrow to move the cursor) I don't have the same issue on my phone but that may just be the angle since the NC is so much larger.
I wan't to buy a Transformer, but I can't find a way to justify the six hundred bucks for the whole package, keyboard and all. What sets an android tablet apart from my Samsung Captivate? This isn't bashing on it at all, I just don't want to buy another android phone with a bigger screen sans the talking functionality. What I would reaaaaally love is to have an android tablet capable of running fully both windows and android. I would be waiting fairly far down the line to get this tablet as I'm currently saving up for a car. If I could get an alternate operating system to make the tablet into a laptop of sorts that would absolutely make the purchase, even though I'll be getting a second and infinitely better laptop for a graduation present the coming year.
tl;dr : I want a transformer but can't justify buying a phone with a bigger screen minus talking capabilities, convince me.
Looks like you don't really need convincing. If you did your research and it's not for you so be it...
If you have more specific questions to figure out if a good fit for your needs don't hesitate to ask!
Joel.
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Running Windows 7 on it? Not possible.
What you're asking for, the ability to run dual operating systems on a tablet like this and at this price range is nigh impossible. The only one I know of is the Viewsonic tablet and that was incredibly poor in terms of implementation.
You might as well save your money and get a really good laptop if you're going to get another laptop anyway and demand dual booting.
Maybe you shouldn't try justifying a cost of $600.00 and instead, buy the tablet only at $400.00. This would be your lightweight mobile media consumption device but then again the "mobile" part is almost a misnomer due to the lack of 3g or 4g. Maybe ten years later when the U.S. is covered in public high speed wireless.
At least you can watch your movies, listen to your songs, use the GPS, lounge around on your couch and do other nifty things. This would fill a role you still wouldn't with a humongous Core i5 laptop or something. The point being, spend less on the tablet, spend more on the laptop later and you'll have two devices each with its own role.
Hmm. After doing half a second more research I realize that ubuntu is running on the transformer, That rather makes my day to be honest, and most likely made a sale. If they can get that running anywhere near 100% I'll have a tablet thats easily converted into an ultraportable. However I have concerns about word processing, doing basic things that can translate into using this laptop in relatively simple school situations.
How expandable is the storage?
Is Honeycomb all it's cracked up to be? It looks absolutely awesome to be honest, almost like a PC operating system on a small scale.
How's battery life with the keyboard dock? and does it vary from unit to unit? Serial numbers seem to be an issue.
If i were to buy one what serial number grouping would I want? (if I have a choice)
LIght leaks, how common are they, and is it viable to return for such a problem? Estimate of how many units per... say every 20 units would have light leak issues?
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its a matter of preference, either you really want to get a new gadget and play wit a touch screen or perfectly fine with a netbook/laptop...cant really go wrong either way especially 500 is a nice chunk of money
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Hmm. After doing half a second more research I realize that ubuntu is running on the transformer, That rather makes my day to be honest, and most likely made a sale. If they can get that running anywhere near 100% I'll have a tablet thats easily converted into an ultraportable. However I have concerns about word processing, doing basic things that can translate into using this laptop in relatively simple school situations.
How expandable is the storage?
Is Honeycomb all it's cracked up to be? It looks absolutely awesome to be honest, almost like a PC operating system on a small scale.
How's battery life with the keyboard dock? and does it vary from unit to unit? Serial numbers seem to be an issue.
If i were to buy one what serial number grouping would I want? (if I have a choice)
LIght leaks, how common are they, and is it viable to return for such a problem? Estimate of how many units per... say every 20 units would have light leak issues?
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I think it's a big mistake trying to replace a laptop with a tablet. Even a tablet with a keyboard, it's still a 10 inch screen and a tiny keyboard. Word processing just won't be fun. Tablets won't replace laptops. Save that $150 and put it towards a laptop if you don't have one yet.
It supports micro SD cards up to 32GB. You can expand the storage infinitely if you don't mind swapping the micro SD cards.
I'm not a fan of Honeycomb. I think it has quite a few performance and stability issues. I've returned my Honeycomb tablets and am currently waiting on Android 4 coming this fall.
I've had 3 Transformers, all had some backlight bleeding. Though with them all, it was never bad enough that I'd really notice it if I wasn't in a dark room looking at a dark screen.
Transformer is a cool tablet for $400. I'd skip the keyboard.
But if you aren't in a big hurry, I think Android 4.0 this fall should be worth the wait. Honeycomb is Google's rush job to get a tablet OS out to compete against Apple. And it's not that pretty. This fall, besides a new Android, we should also have tablets with better processors. The Tegra 2 in the current tablets doesn't impress me much either.
However if do want something now, and I couldn't blame you for not wanting to wait 3 months... the Transformer is a really good deal.
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I wan't to buy a Transformer, but I can't find a way to justify the six hundred bucks for the whole package, keyboard and all. What sets an android tablet apart from my Samsung Captivate? This isn't bashing on it at all, I just don't want to buy another android phone with a bigger screen sans the talking functionality. What I would reaaaaally love is to have an android tablet capable of running fully both windows and android. I would be waiting fairly far down the line to get this tablet as I'm currently saving up for a car. If I could get an alternate operating system to make the tablet into a laptop of sorts that would absolutely make the purchase, even though I'll be getting a second and infinitely better laptop for a graduation present the coming year.
tl;dr : I want a transformer but can't justify buying a phone with a bigger screen minus talking capabilities, convince me.
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In short get a Windows 8 Tablet, if you're so against the TF which is amazing. Also you don't have to buy the keyboard dock right away so then it's only $400 dollars.
The Verge: 7.5/10
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/14/2560084/kindle-fire-review
If you're thinking about getting the Fire, you have to decide not just whether you want a tablet, but what kind of tablet you want. This isn't an iPad-killer. It has the potential to do lots of things, but there are many things I have yet to see it do, and I wonder if it will get there given the lean software support. It's my impression that Amazon believes that the Fire will be so popular that developers will choose to work on its platform rather than on Google's main trunk of Android, but that's just a theory right now.
Still, there's no question that the Fire is a really terrific tablet for its price. The amount of content you have access to — and the ease of getting to that content — is notable to say the least. The device is decently designed, and the software — while lacking some polish — is still excellent compared to pretty much anything in this range (and that includes the Nook Color). It's a well thought out tablet that can only get better as the company refines the software. It's not perfect, but it's a great start, and at $200, that may be all Amazon needs this holiday shopping season.
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Engadget
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/14/amazon-kindle-fire-review/
The Kindle Fire is quite an achievement at $200. It's a perfectly usable tablet that feels good in the hand and has a respectably good looking display up front. Yes, power users will find themselves a little frustrated with what they can and can't do on the thing without access to the Android Market but, in these carefree days of cloud-based apps ruling the world, increasingly all you need is a good browser. That the Fire has.
When stacked up against other popular tablets, the Fire can't compete. Its performance is a occasionally sluggish, its interface often clunky, its storage too slight, its functionality a bit restricted and its 7-inch screen too limiting if you were hoping to convert all your paper magazine subscriptions into the digital ones. Other, bigger tablets do it better -- usually at two or three times the cost.
Kindle Fire unveiled
Is a 10-inch Kindle Fire coming? Amazon says 'stay tuned'
Amazon focusing on 'lifetime' Kindle revenue, anticipating record device sales for Q4
So, the Kindle Fire is great value and perhaps the best, tightest integration of digital content acquisition into a mobile device that we've yet seen. Instead of having a standalone shopping app the entire tablet is a store -- a 7-inch window sold at a cut-rate price through which users can look onto a sea of premium content. It isn't a perfect experience, but if nothing else it's a promising look into the future of retail commerce.
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Gizmondo: 4/5
http://gizmodo.com/5858779/kindle-fire-review-the-ipad-finally-has-serious-competition
If you like what Amazon Prime has going on in the kitchen, the Fire is a terrific seat. It's not as powerful or capable as an iPad, but it's also a sliver of the price—and that $200 will let you jack into the Prime catalog (and the rest of your media collection) easily and comfortably. Simply, the Fire is a wonderful IRL compliment to Amazon's digital abundance. It's a terrific, compact little friend, and—is this even saying anything?—the best Android tablet to date.
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Bummer that all these lackluster reviews are all coming out one day too late for me to cancel my preorder. C'est la vie! Lesson learned. On the positive side, the flood of returns Amazon is likely to see may lead to an even cheaper refurbished option much sooner than expected.
The Engadget review, when read in its entirety (and not just the feel-good wrap-up), is more of a "meh" tablet whose sole saving grace is that it's cheap.
Wired also had a review, it was meh as well.
Personally, I found The Verge to be the most unbiased of the bunch.
I feel people are expecting to much from this device. For what it is I am hoping it will be a good device. First and foremost it is a Kindle NOT a tablet. Look at their page for the Kindle Fire. I did a search for tablet and the first mention of tablet was in the user comments, nothing at all from what Amazon has called it. Yes it uses Android but I think Amazon knows that this devices in NOT a tablet, it is a Kindle device that can do other activities such as stream music, watch videos and such.
Comparing this to full blown tablets I think is a bit much but it is what everyone is going to do because it runs Android so in must be a tablet.
For me I purchased this device because I wanted something a little larger than my Evo for reading books such. I didn't want to spend $400-500 for an eReader and the fact that I can also stream music and videos as well will be great I hope. I don't need something with all the bells and whistles and I expect that the vast majority of the public will use the device for what it was designed to do. Read books, magazines, watch some videos and listen to music. The people that are "power" users are less than 1% of the people that are going to buy this device is my guess.
For those power users I am sure someone will root this device soon enough and then you will be able to run probably whatever flavor of Android you want on it. I will reserve my "judgement" on this device until Wednesday when I get mine and have a chance to actually mess around with it. Worse case scenario is that I don't like it and I return it and maybe get something different, but at $200 if I can read books on it well enough, (better than on my Evo) then I will be happy and everything else is icing on the cake for me.
-Eric
>I feel people are expecting to much from this device.
The Engadget review mentions functions the KF has but didn't do well, eg the bad video streaming, the klunky navigation for comic (no pinch-zoom) and text reading, the fiddly home interface, the laggy sideloaded apps, the paltry storage, etc. These are all judging the KF on its own merit, not against a higher-end tablet.
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>I feel people are expecting to much from this device.
The Engadget review mentions functions the KF has but didn't do well, eg the bad video streaming, the klunky navigation for comic (no pinch-zoom) and text reading, the fiddly home interface, the laggy sideloaded apps, the paltry storage, etc. These are all judging the KF on its own merit, not against a higher-end tablet.
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It will have those bugs ironed out before the years out I bet.
Even with that said, all the reviews claim that it is not an iPad killer, which shouldn't need to be said. It never claimed to be, and at less than half the price of the iPad, it should be a decent tablet for those who can't pay the fee to be in Apple's walled garden. Whether it is a fire or the Nook Tablet, the first thing I am doing to it is finding a vanilla rom to flash. I am buying for the hardware, not the skin.
>Even with that said, all the reviews claim that it is not an iPad killer, which shouldn't need to be said. It never claimed to be
That's more in response to the many pundits' predictions that the KF will be indeed that (sales-wise, at least). I think that if the KF had performed well within its limited feature set, then that may've been a reasonable assumption.
>and at less than half the price of the iPad, it should be a decent tablet for those who can't pay the fee to be in Apple's walled garden.
It's a wash. For the lower entry price, the KF is Amazon's (considerably smaller) walled garden. Most people won't root or use custom ROM.
>Whether it is a fire or the Nook Tablet, the first thing I am doing to it is finding a vanilla rom to flash. I am buying for the hardware, not the skin.
What surprised me are all the reports of laggy operations. For an OMAP 4430 running 2.3! It tells me that the Amazon custom layer is major bloatware. I do expect both the KF and NT to get CM9 support when that happens. But with custom ROM, many of the KF amenities will likely disappear, eg Amazon cloud access.
BTW, looks like ICS src is now available.
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/4f85d9242667a85f?pli=1
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I feel people are expecting to much from this device. For what it is I am hoping it will be a good device. First and foremost it is a Kindle NOT a tablet. Look at their page for the Kindle Fire. I did a search for tablet and the first mention of tablet was in the user comments, nothing at all from what Amazon has called it. Yes it uses Android but I think Amazon knows that this devices in NOT a tablet, it is a Kindle device that can do other activities such as stream music, watch videos and such.
Comparing this to full blown tablets I think is a bit much but it is what everyone is going to do because it runs Android so in must be a tablet.
For me I purchased this device because I wanted something a little larger than my Evo for reading books such. I didn't want to spend $400-500 for an eReader and the fact that I can also stream music and videos as well will be great I hope. I don't need something with all the bells and whistles and I expect that the vast majority of the public will use the device for what it was designed to do. Read books, magazines, watch some videos and listen to music. The people that are "power" users are less than 1% of the people that are going to buy this device is my guess.
For those power users I am sure someone will root this device soon enough and then you will be able to run probably whatever flavor of Android you want on it. I will reserve my "judgement" on this device until Wednesday when I get mine and have a chance to actually mess around with it. Worse case scenario is that I don't like it and I return it and maybe get something different, but at $200 if I can read books on it well enough, (better than on my Evo) then I will be happy and everything else is icing on the cake for me.
-Eric
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Kindle Fire: #1 selling TABLET on Amazon.com
There's another review here :
http://jpae.squarespace.com/food-fo...kindle-fire-wont-kill-the-ipad-2-however.html
Considering picking one up used for $120 or less (BTW, any deals better than the $135 certified pre-owned on B&N's site would be appreciated). I've considered loads of other tablets (mostly 7"), but fact is, I don't want to spend much, at least not on the tablet itself.
Anyway, at $120 or less, is it worth picking up, or should I look at something else? The things that draw me to the Nook Color are price (obviously), screen type/quality (not super glossy = awesome), USB OTG (considering plugging in a keyboard and using it for notes), Bluetooth (for headphones), and support/dev community.
My main uses would be reading books/comics, watching videos (nothing high-res), and possibly taking notes as mentioned earlier; there'd be very light gaming, as anything more serious would be reserved to an Xperia Play when I get one later. I doubt I'd install much just to try and keep it running as smooth as possible.
Expandable memory is nice, but not necessary, and I could live without either USB OTG or Bluetooth if the other was present. Camera/GPS/etc. definitely isn't necessary. Don't care for dual-core and whatnot as I know I won't really use/need the power.
Also, quick question about the Nook Color - are there any major issues left with CM7 for it, or is it basically complete? And how is CM9 in comparison (at the moment)?
nookcolor is a great tablet for $130 (give or take in price) but im ruuning cm7.1 for months now with no bugs or problems at all, it is a very stable rom. Screen is very nice, not to bright or to dull.
I got mine new for around $120 too. It is a great value although it does not have camera or other peripheral options.
tourist2 said:
I got mine new for around $120 too. It is a great value although it does not have camera or other peripheral options.
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Sometimes, you just pay more because you're an idiot.
The Nook Color has an exquisite screen, and it's better than the Kindle Fire (which I also own). Also, the Nook Tablet screen is exactly the same. It's the right resolution and sharpness. The iPad 3 is probably too much, especially since it runs very hot and eats the battery.
Even if you don't want to root or replace the ROM on your Nook Color, it's still a great tablet with a screen that is better than any other.
I love the color Nook. I f only it had a microphone , it could do everything I need
DigitalMD said:
I love the color Nook. I f only it had a microphone , it could do everything I need
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Some success in that area. Check out this thread:
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook-color-technical/15172-headset-microphone-nc.html
Money
vote Kindle Fire
Forgot to update, ended up getting one for $100 in great condition on Craigslist. Immediately popped in a 32GB microSD and loaded CM7.2, lowered the screen density to 120, and I love it.
Definitely go with the Nook Color
I bought it when it was originally priced at $250. I live in Canada and drove down to the States to pick it up since BN doesn't ship to Canada. Even with the release of newer tablets, I'd buy another Nook Color over the others simply because it's the best bang for the buck.
I use it for my commute -- reading PDF books, listening to MP3s, watching videos, and the occasional game.
FWIW, I've owned an Ipad, Ipad2, and Blackberry Playbook. However, I couldn't justify the $400-600 price tag and sold them.
CM 7.2 is very functional, assuming you can live with the fact that apps won't recognize it as a full-on tablet. Within that limitation, it does everything just fine that you'd expect. The only shortcoming on your list is bluetooth support, as ranges can be limited.
At anything below $150, I'd says it's definitely worth a buy. You can blow that much with a night on the town, and have nothing but a headache and a strange rash to show for it.
Just to let everyone know that for some reason (good or bad), CM7.2-RC1 KANG on my NC is last FOREVER
I don't even know I should smile or not. It has been left idle (with virtually no use, screen off) for a WEEK and still has roughly 65% left in the tank.
Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed my NC for some time and still continue to do so (as I already own it and it's just good enough to still do what I need, namely play around with new OS code ala CM9).
That said, even at $199.00, it's way slow compared to the competitions products at the same price ranges. NT is much better but doesn't even have BlueTooth at all, from my understanding and shown in it's tear down.
This means that if you need BT, albiet with a less than 10 inch range, the NC is probably the only "eReader" with BT using CM7 or CM9 at that range.
If you are thinking of the tape for gaming? Don't, it's opengl is good enough to entice you with some titles running, but it'll be lag city once there is enough onscreen action.
Thinking of it for Video? Semi-don't. Sure it's IPS screen will impress, but 720P video will not be 100% smooth and it doesn't have the video processing to do anything higher. Pretty much 480P res when you use NetFlix.
Can't buy new? While you can get a cheap NC off of Ebay, keep an eye out for several of the top end earlier generation tabs as the new ones entice users to upgrade.
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Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed my NC for some time and still continue to do so (as I already own it and it's just good enough to still do what I need, namely play around with new OS code ala CM9).
That said, even at $199.00, it's way slow compared to the competitions products at the same price ranges. NT is much better but doesn't even have BlueTooth at all, from my understanding and shown in it's tear down.
This means that if you need BT, albiet with a less than 10 inch range, the NC is probably the only "eReader" with BT using CM7 or CM9 at that range.
If you are thinking of the tape for gaming? Don't, it's opengl is good enough to entice you with some titles running, but it'll be lag city once there is enough onscreen action.
Thinking of it for Video? Semi-don't. Sure it's IPS screen will impress, but 720P video will not be 100% smooth and it doesn't have the video processing to do anything higher. Pretty much 480P res when you use NetFlix.
Can't buy new? While you can get a cheap NC off of Ebay, keep an eye out for several of the top end earlier generation tabs as the new ones entice users to upgrade.
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Yeah, Bluetooth was one of those things I just can't live without, even with the limited range. I definitely wouldn't have picked it up for any more than $100 (I would have just gotten the new NT if it wasn't much more expensive). Video hasn't disappointed me - standard/non-HD video is good enough for me and plays just fine. As for gaming, I intend to get an Xperia Play to use exclusively as a gaming device and just use that - although I may skip it at this point, as I have plenty of PC games, and the tablet is taking up a lot of the free time I had previously.
And I don't mind the lack of tablet apps on CM7 - I find CM9 a bit too sluggish to consider the switch at least for now.
With the price going down to 149$ is this a good buy?
My main use is reading books, magazines and occasional browsing with flipboard and pocket.
My main influence is the aspect ratio, since it's more suitable for magazines compared to other android tablets. not to mention the screen size for such price.
With the HD screen, decent cpu, ability to easily root or run cyanogen mod, for the price I think it's very much worth it.
>My main influence is the aspect ratio
My criteria were aspect ratio, size, and ongoing OS support. Nowaday there are many cheap tabs at close to $100 mark, but they're all 7" 16:10 AR, and most without continuing OS support. Thanks to verygreen and other helpful people here, the Nook HD/HD+ will live on past the B&N era. AFAIK, the Nooks--NC, NT, and HDs--are the only cheap tabs to have official CM support.
But as you mentioned it comes down to your uses. 7" is better for travelling, as well as things like GPS, cams, etc, which the Nook lacks. The HD+ is better if simply for its larger size and res, which are optimal for long-form reading and web browsing.
As for pricing, at some point it becomes petty to harp on the few dollars' difference. Yes, there's a big diff between $500 and $200, but $150-vs-200, not so much. Would you be willing to go across town to buy a 15-penny egg vs a 20-penny one here? Price shouldn't be the end-all. But if it comes to that, my last HD+ was a $120 refurb I bought for my mom, and I'm entirely satisfied with its like-new condition. It probably is new, but marked as refurb for clearance.
In addition to what e.mote already said (which I fully agree with), I think the main thing you have to decide is what you'll be using it for. It all comes down to personal use. Since you said it will be for reading books and mags and occasional browsing, the HD+ is perfect for that. I use it for the same purpose + watching TV with Dish Anywhere around the house + streaming movies / shows from my PC with Plex for Android. On the other hand, if you're going to be doing CPU/GPU intensive stuff like gaming, get the new Nexus 7. I got my HD+ for $120 @ Staples and that was too good to pass up and don't regret the purchase at all, especially with official CM support.
I paid $ 180 for my HD+ and am very satisfied with it.
Watching movies I encoded, browsing web, checking email, playing
the latest games...it does it all quite well.
I have seen as low as $120 refurbished units from B&N which is pretty good. I bought mine at $149 and I have no regret even with all the crazy deals popping up later.
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With the price going down to 149$ is this a good buy?
My main use is reading books, magazines and occasional browsing with flipboard and pocket.
My main influence is the aspect ratio, since it's more suitable for magazines compared to other android tablets. not to mention the screen size for such price.
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e.mote is spot on, but as for my $0.02 I am very happy with my nook HD+. It's my first tablet and I love the high resolution screen and it's plenty portable. I'm using it to watch my favorite tv shows from anywhere I happen to be and I love it! Not to mention that due to a shoulder injury I have been limited on how much I can sit at a computer and work, but with the tablet I can use it for hours without aggravating it. It is well worth the money in my mind.
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With the price going down to 149$ is this a good buy?
My main use is reading books, magazines and occasional browsing with flipboard and pocket.
My main influence is the aspect ratio, since it's more suitable for magazines compared to other android tablets. not to mention the screen size for such price.
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I have a Nook Tablet. Still love it. The 7" format fits for my uses. Never the less. The HD+ is the biggest bang for the buck. Good engineering. It is quality. I read a lot and the HD+ 9" format is a big improvement. I watch Netflix on occasion and with this tablet it is big enough to enjoy a video without having to use glasses.
It will always be a good (great?) portable media player. That's how I would view the HD+. Gorgeous screen, solid sound via headphones. Other tablets are going to have more cores and features and higher AnTuTu scores but this is a 1920x1280 IPS with 32GB on board for a low price. AND we're in Cyanogen builds -- support for the foreseeable future. That's a huge plus that everyone doesn't have.
I have an Acer a500 that is in a bad place and began looking for a tablet to replace it. Started out with a 7" 32GB Nexus v.1, but service plan and all was $248.00 - and right now we can't afford it. Read some more and the Nook HD+ really began to catch my eye...but again at that time, felt it was too much and took it back. Tried refurbed Acer A100 and it was AWFUL due to my high degree of near-sightedness. Took it back and went back to B&N and repurchased Nook HD+ with 16GB storage. As files are now accessible from cloud or google drive, and Nook has SD card slot, storage is not a huge issue.
Reason? I missed that 9" HD display for reading and web browsing, I'm not a huge B&N fan, but man did the HD+ sell me...and at $150, it's a definite steal. Seriously thinking about saving up enough money to buy a second one before too long, just to have to tiinker with.
think there might be a $20 gift card too if from b&N
Howdy,
Is the $20 gift card thing new? I bought mine in person a couple of weeks ago at a b&n and there was no gift card advertized or involved...
It's only $109 with free shipping for the next 2+ hours at http://1saleaday.com/main/
I was going to post this, and also I'm ordering. Just spotted this about 3 hours ago.
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It's only $109 with free shipping for the next 2+ hours at http://1saleaday.com/main/
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It's only $109 with free shipping for the next 2+ hours at http://1saleaday.com/main/
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I grabbed one from this deal too.
Wonder when we'll get them?
First shipment estimated to leave on
Thursday, September 12th, 2013
Orders usually ship within 7-10 business days
Under limited circumstances, up to 30 days
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When my Nexus 7 (2012) and HD+ are both available I consistently pick up the HD+ for the vast majority of uses. The screen size of the HD+ makes standard websites much easier to read, allow for more ebook content on the screen, and make it better for watching videos. In addition the sound of the HD+ is much better than the Nexus 7's. The Nook's negatives are that it is heavier and not as comfortable to hold but those are trade offs I'm happy to accept for the increased screen size. For my uses I don't notice much of a difference in speed.
Another thing to consider is the Nook's ability to run a custom ROM from an SD card without modifying the tablet's internal software. I'm running CyanogenMod 10.2 (the 4.3 version of Jellybean.) It's not perfect and has occasional problems including random reboots, but so does my Nexus 7 (to a lesser extent) when running stock software.
Overall after 4 months of ownership of the HD+ and 12 months with the Nexus 7, I think the Nook HD+ is well worth the $150 price even if it's being discontinued.
I have heard that the nook will be discontinued and that new versions will be released at the end of the year, I don't know which is true. Still a good device for the money. What makes this a great device are the smart people on this forum, verygreen especially (hat tip to you) and cross pollinators from other similar devices. It gets better with every release.
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New Nook from 1SaleaDay has arrived
My 16GB Nook HD+ from 1Sale-a-Day arrived yesterday in pristine condition (likely completely unused, but refurbished in original box and with a warranty). I opened it up and went thru registration, and it immediately updated to 2.0.6. I added a few apps and then checked the software update button and it then updated to 2.1.1. Finally, I backed up, rooted, and added extras from Leapinar's thread. This was a little tricky and seemed to not work until I pushed in on the microSD while booting. That worked! I now have a perfectly functional Nook HD+ !! I love the great features, especially the screen resolution, and it is much more nimble than my old HP Touchpad. Overall I am VERY satisfied.
You got yours already?
Mine hasn't even shipped.
I did snag a groovy case for it on ebay for $18
The Nook HD+ is a bargain. I've owned the HP Touchpad and now after upgrading to the Nook HD+, I couldn't be happier.