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converter program (finger friendly) need suggestions

Hi wanted to create my first program..
right now Im trying to make a unit converter that is finger friendly..
so far I've tested it and here is what I have so far..
any suggestions? regarding the buttons positions, the interface, etc?
thanks

Hi Providense,
Looks good so far.
Do you have a development schedule as to what it will convert?
Keep it up.
John

Provedence,
It seems that some people like to have a configuration facility.
So perhaps some suggestions:-
Favorites so that the list can be tailored to favorites for that person to save a more compact list of 'things to convert'
I would be happy to have any theme for now but cooks may prefer to add there own theme.
I have used this type of function with calculator type programs but they can become unweildy so one that is specific would be usefull.
Thanks
John

thanks Johny1fin
as of now these are the things i've done
Temperature:
degree Celsius
degree Fahreheit
degree Rankine
degree Reaumur
kelvin
Acceleration: (still doing it right now)
centigal
centimeter/square second
decigal
decimeter/square second
dekameter/square second
foot/square second
g-unit(G)
gal
galileo
gn
grav
hectometer/square second
inch/square second
kilometer/hour second
kilomter/square second
meter/square second
mile/hour minute
mile/hour second
mile/square second
milligal
millimeter/square second
still a long way to go. But the Acceleration should be done by today.
Then I'll add Area, Date/Time and etc

I like the idea of favorites. I'll see if i can implement that. Im still a beginner at programming. Using VB.net 2003 right now

oh by the way. Here's the main menu, where I will put all the buttons

providence said:
Hi wanted to create my first program..
right now Im trying to make a unit converter that is finger friendly..
so far I've tested it and here is what I have so far..
any suggestions? regarding the buttons positions, the interface, etc?
thanks
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Providence,
It may be a limitation of the APIs but could the vertical scroll buttons be next to each other horizontally rather than vertically as this may produce larger buttons?
John

Look nice.. however, on the finger friendly issue, you may want to avoid the scroll list (on your first screenshot) and have another screen for the choice of (say) different temperature units. Something like, making a screen (of your second shot) for temperature units. If you get what i'm trying to say

thanks for the feedbacks i've changed how the scrolling works. Now im using a custom button for that.

Looking good providence

I am not sure if you like this idea, but I think it will be more useful if you can add:
- Currency converter
- Currency quick view (to view several currencies at once)
There is an example of a very nice and complete project with source code here:
http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketCurrency.asp
Add option to have automatic currency update as well
[ x ] Update when connected to ActiveSync
[ x ] Automatic update every X hours

hi, well the main idea was to create a finger based Unit conversion program. To add Currency Converter would be a challenge for myself.
Since first of all, Currency changes daily, so there must be a way to update it. Secondly, im still learning how to program by self teaching myself on my free time.
By the way, Here's the latest screenshot of the program.
I fixed the buttons so its easier to use.
unfortunately, this will only work on PDAphones and not on smartphones. Since you'll need to use the touch screen as input method.

Here is an idea, as mentioned by one of the post above, instead of stacking your scroll button up and down, it may save you that more space if you were to stack them left and right.
From what it seems, the < and > , are buttons, which you use it to 'affect' your lists. If you were to (example) sandwish your list in between these two buttons, you would save like another 2 button height. Example.
Currently, you have the layout
Code:
. item1 <
. item2
. item3 >
. item4
if you can just do this (which is possible in VC, not sure about VB), instead
Code:
< .item1 >
.item2
So, instead of 4 item height, you are now only left with 2 items height.

ahh i see..
I tried doing it
< item 1 >
item 2
but i find it harder to navigate, since when you go back you have to drag your finger across the other side of the screen. And while doing that, you are blocking the item list with your finger.
I dont need to save space, i think i got everything in there..
by the way, here's the test i took
then again, if i put them on the sides, it makes easier for those who are left handed as well

The spaces you save, may able you to bloat up the keypad below.. from what it seems, now they are on the 'flat' side of it.
If you think the "left-list-right" is not very finger friendly, you can try the "list-left-right"? That is
.item1 < >
.item2

Hi thanks for the suggestions..
right now here is what i have, and will probably be the final change in the button positioning..
i got big fingers and I can use them without stylus.
Should have a pre-alpha version ready soon. As of now I've done temperatures and acceleration.
Will add more soon

Sprint Touch Cube Configuration Tool 4.1

Ok, I think this one is gonna need a sticky. I got sick of having to type in all of the shortcuts in the registry editor to change the cube, so I wrote this little spiffy app. It allows you to customize the 2 sides of the cube with shortcuts. Just make sure you know what you are doing as far as what can go where. Enjoy!
Version 1.1 - I got tired of waiting for the file browser to refresh everytime. Now you only have to wait for the first time, after that it is cached.
Version 1.2 - Added IconPress to the 6-App Side, and IconPlaying, IconPlayingPress, and IconPress to the 3-App side.
Version 2.0 - Added param for 6-App Side and 3-App Side. Added links to animation files. Added GUI for app selection for 3-App side and 6-App side.
Version 2.1 - Squashed the bugs that were coming up. Sorry I didn't test it enough before releasing.
Version 3.0 - Now supports multiple 6-App sides (See Polen's Vista Cube)!! Added reset to defaults. Automatic shortcut selector or browse for apps. Fixed the bug where the Program Files directory wasn't showing up in the Browse tree.
Version 4.0 - Added support for the iCube , animation configuring for newly added sides, export settings to .reg file, and icon image preview*.
*The icon image preview must be set up correctly to work. It all depends on the naming convention used. Polen's icon packs work with the preview. Since the .brn files cannot be rendered, a .bmp file must be placed in the directory with the .brn having the same filename or following Polen's naming convention (ex. ie.bmp -> ie_top.brn, ie_top_press.brn).
I tried testing it with the stock cube, Polen's 6 sided cube, and the iCube, but may not have caught everything, so if you find a bug, let me know!
SORRY!!! I left out a file from the .cab, it's all fixed now! Enjoy!
Version 4.1 - Fixed a bug in the export settings and the Save button was getting disabled.
Download link: http://rapidshare.com/files/79573356/CubeConfig4.1.zip
If you guys have anymore suggestions, let me know.
Cheers!

thisguyinoc said:
Ok, I think this one is gonna need a sticky. I got sick of having to type in all of the shortcuts in the registry editor to change the cube, so I wrote this little spiffy app. It allows you to customize the 2 sides of the cube with shortcuts. Just make sure you know what you are doing as far as what can go where. Cheers!
http://rapidshare.com/files/73227261/CubeConfig.zip
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Thanks for the App, works great.

difference between this and touch settings???
ok one question
when i make Icons. I save them as a BMP 24 bit, then i can just BMP to BRN and it will work?

also you just install CAB and go. Do you have to stop any processes before going. I guess i wont wait for Touch settings. This looks like it will work great???
just need to know if i need different icon sizes for the 3X2 and Media Hub????

thisguyinoc said:
Ok, I think this one is gonna need a sticky. I got sick of having to type in all of the shortcuts in the registry editor to change the cube, so I wrote this little spiffy app. It allows you to customize the 2 sides of the cube with shortcuts. Just make sure you know what you are doing as far as what can go where. Enjoy!
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Without wanting to detract from what you have done, you may also want to look at 'Touch Settings' which has this functionality already. (now works on the Vogue) See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324556 (main thread)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347892 (vogue support thread)

in your post though it said that you cant do Iocns yet on the sprint touch this one i believe if you just set the filepath you can!
also carlos kind of in response to my other thread in the vogue forum.
I was at my friends house playing w/ his sprint touch, downloaded some icons from my website, and put them on w/ this prog. I just saved files to the windows folder with BRN extension and it worked? Idk if it will w/ touch settings, but this one works for that purpose....
still not sure though if you need different size icons for mediahub..???
also still my question..... do you have to stop running the mediahub.exe or w/e the file is called before installilng this puppy?

ambush276 said:
in your post though it said that you cant do Icons yet on the sprint touch this one i believe if you just set the filepath you can!
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As of yesterday's build Touch Settings can display / change Sprint (BRN) Icons. Simply tap the pictures to change.

great! ive heard so many great things about the touch settings program.. That i want to continue using it.
My question is are the pics still fuzzy when you use BMP to BRN. OR are they clear like sprint pre installed logo's.
my final question, and i know its been asked, can i use the 119 by the other dimension for both the 3X2 and Media Hub Screen?? What dimensions do i need? on the pics?
also i heard about Media hub not closing? is this true or is it fixed?

Would this work for the Bell Mobility version of the HTC Touch? (Canadian carrier, with a version of the Sprint vogue)

what i dont understand is th animation tab. I know how to make my own icons and stuff, my question is... like what is the animations brn?? What do i have to make for those. Do i need to change it?? I have all custom icons, does animations matter?

ambush276 said:
what i dont understand is th animation tab. I know how to make my own icons and stuff, my question is... like what is the animations brn?? What do i have to make for those. Do i need to change it?? I have all custom icons, does animations matter?
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those are the images that are shown when changing from side to side. You don't have to change them, but you now have the option.

i c. So like if i make icon images... when i go to animations tab, i just say for image 1, run the path to my icon. Then i will be fine?? and it will turn w/ icon of choice... But there are only 6 icons???

thisguyinoc said:
If you guys have anymore suggestions, let me know.
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What I'd really like to see is the ability to add QDail sides to the cube like you can with the Aplauncher. Has anyone got that working? I have more than 9 frequently called contacts and would love to have at least 2 sides of contacts - one for personal and one for business would be perfect.
But now that I've typed all this...I just realized that you didn't write the 6-sided cube app, right? I just integrates with yours....
I've been using the Touch Settings program from Carlos -- I'm anxious to see how this one works, too. Thanks to both of you for your hard work!

Haggar said:
What I'd really like to see is the ability to add QDail sides to the cube like you can with the Aplauncher. Has anyone got that working? I have more than 9 frequently called contacts and would love to have at least 2 sides of contacts - one for personal and one for business would be perfect.
But now that I've typed all this...I just realized that you didn't write the 6-sided cube app, right? I just integrates with yours....
I've been using the Touch Settings program from Carlos -- I'm anxious to see how this one works, too. Thanks to both of you for your hard work!
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Yeah, I didn't write the 6-sided cube. I worked with Polen to make my app scale to the number of sides you have installed.

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Yeah, I didn't write the 6-sided cube. I worked with Polen to make my app scale to the number of sides you have installed.
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I played with your program yesterday (okay, let me be honest...I spent 20 hours in the past 24 hours making new cube graphics and drinking coffee until it was bleeding out my ears) and it's wonderful. In combination with the 6 sided cube it's a really great ap.
This may be from a total lack of sleep and the really nice caffiene buzz I've got going, but I'm a bit confused regarding the rotation anims and how to set them via the anim tab.
Is there a way to specify different transition graphics sets between sides 1&2, 2&3, and 3&4? It seems like the default is set to use C0-C5 for all rotations of the Launcher. Am I missing something? I was that the VistaCube program installed D0-D5 so manually created my own and added them to the Windows directory. My D series seems to be applied to those transitions eventhough the animations page shows C0-C5.
Is there a way to get to a drop down menu specifically for the extra sides or is this something that must be done manually? And in either case...how would I set it up to have separate anims for each of the different sides?
The main reason I ask is because I'm planning to use rather generic icons on my launcher pages so that I can swap out programs whenever I want without having to update the graphics on the cube. For example...I have an MP3 player icon that says "Music" on one page. I can assign that to Mort, or WMP, or anything else I want and not worry about the icon. That allows me to put the icons into the rotation graphics so it's a smooth transition and I don't see the "flash" when the app icons load on top of an otherwise different background.
Whew...long-ass question for something so simple. Any help would be appreciated!

Haggar said:
I played with your program yesterday (okay, let me be honest...I spent 20 hours in the past 24 hours making new cube graphics and drinking coffee until it was bleeding out my ears) and it's wonderful. In combination with the 6 sided cube it's a really great ap.
This may be from a total lack of sleep and the really nice caffiene buzz I've got going, but I'm a bit confused regarding the rotation anims and how to set them via the anim tab.
Is there a way to specify different transition graphics sets between sides 1&2, 2&3, and 3&4? It seems like the default is set to use C0-C5 for all rotations of the Launcher. Am I missing something? I was that the VistaCube program installed D0-D5 so manually created my own and added them to the Windows directory. My D series seems to be applied to those transitions eventhough the animations page shows C0-C5.
Is there a way to get to a drop down menu specifically for the extra sides or is this something that must be done manually? And in either case...how would I set it up to have separate anims for each of the different sides?
The main reason I ask is because I'm planning to use rather generic icons on my launcher pages so that I can swap out programs whenever I want without having to update the graphics on the cube. For example...I have an MP3 player icon that says "Music" on one page. I can assign that to Mort, or WMP, or anything else I want and not worry about the icon. That allows me to put the icons into the rotation graphics so it's a smooth transition and I don't see the "flash" when the app icons load on top of an otherwise different background.
Whew...long-ass question for something so simple. Any help would be appreciated!
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That's a very logical request. Look for it in the next release.

thisguyinoc said:
That's a very logical request. Look for it in the next release.
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Pithy. I like it.

Haggar said:
What I'd really like to see is the ability to add QDail sides to the cube like you can with the Aplauncher. Has anyone got that working? I have more than 9 frequently called contacts and would love to have at least 2 sides of contacts - one for personal and one for business would be perfect.
But now that I've typed all this...I just realized that you didn't write the 6-sided cube app, right? I just integrates with yours....
I've been using the Touch Settings program from Carlos -- I'm anxious to see how this one works, too. Thanks to both of you for your hard work!
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Did you ever figure out a way to add another contact side to the cube?

I just installed the CubeConfig3.0.CAB
In the usual screen that says successfully installed and if you need more room... It is followed by a message I have not seen yet:
The program you have installed may not display properly because it was designed for a previous version of Windows Mobile software.
FYI
EDIT: I'm running the unmodified WM6 on a Bell CDMA Touch (Vogue - 128MB RAM/256 MB ROM)

Hmm I never got that one.... I'm running the exact same phone as you, MM.

Slide2Gesture?

Maybe this has been discussed before but no one tried to develop the idea.
well instead of S2U, i prefer to have a gesture that i choose to unlock the device... so no one can unlock it other than I... if im dont have these programming skills
anyone is able to do it?! it can be a modified version of A_C's S2U2...

karim099 said:
Maybe this has been discussed before but no one tried to develop the idea.
well instead of S2U, i prefer to have a gesture that i choose to unlock the device... so no one can unlock it other than I... if im dont have these programming skills
anyone is able to do it?! it can be a modified version of A_C's S2U2...
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Hahaha! Shouldn't that been called Gesture2Unlock?

johanromijn said:
Hahaha! Shouldn't that been called Gesture2Unlock?
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whatever G2U ...

I like the idea of this

Cool thinkin...
No passworded needed, just a gesture.

Someone needs to copy the Microsoft Origami thingy where you unlock by tapping a certain sequence on a picture of your choice, with more security gained by moving to a smaller grid size.

ell, honestly, if you delete the images from your S2U2 directory, that should accomplish the same thing. You would just have to remember where to slide from. Or use your DPAD.

lawmangrant, i think you're missing a handy side-effect of having G2U: you can still view the today screen. I imagine that you can view the today screen, but not be able to do anything until you gesture. If anyone uses PointUI, it's kinda like the builtin lock. You see the main screen until you tap, upon which the lock screen comes up. It's pretty nice (personally use s2u2 instead) but G2U has potential uses.

It's a good idea, especially if you don't have the instructions right on the screen, it's a good locker to keep people out of your phone.

It should be Gesture2Unlock (or G2U for short) and it was discussed in the Kaiser forum here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362231&highlight=gesture
A_C, the author or S2U2 was contacted, but he didn't think he could do it, as you can see from the thread...
I still like the idea.

I have a program in mind that does exactly what you want...
hm.. not exactly...
you have to tap to 4 or 5 different points on your touchscreen to unlock your phone...
but I don´t know the name at the moment....
I´ll try to find it....

This is a great idea.......

strange !!! walking down the street today i had this exact thought
may be some day!!!!

This was good, but doesnt work anymore...
http://softava.com/archive/pp/otp_features.html#

interesting. Would be very similair to taking a biometric of a persons signature. presumably tho one wouldn't want the signature to be drawn as you gesture2unlock, but instead "draw" onto an invisible notepad.
its no easy process (have researched biometrics) as the important part if the learning/recognition algorythm which will probably involve some neural network coding (ouch but fun).
What you need is something like this!!!
http://bip.golana.pub.ro/~mmihai/sign/index.html.
I've emailed Mihail about this (the author), pointing him to this post. I will post his reply as soon as it arrives.
Here's my email:
Dear Mihail,
I came across your website whilst looking for clues as to how we might implement a fellow forum contributor’s idea on xda-developers.com (here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370632&page=2)
His idea was to unlock a pda using a gesture on the touch screen. To my mind that mean signature which lead me to search for some algorithms on the net. Your implementation was particularly interesting as it seems quick to operate, has low memory footprint and could work on a low spec machine (such are many pda’s).
I was wondering if you implemented such a system, or if the algorithm you have developed has been release for others to use, commercially or non-profit.
Your input into the discussion would be highly valuable.
Best wishes
Sean

lawmangrant said:
ell, honestly, if you delete the images from your S2U2 directory, that should accomplish the same thing. You would just have to remember where to slide from. Or use your DPAD.
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Azimuth21 said:
lawmangrant, i think you're missing a handy side-effect of having G2U: you can still view the today screen. I imagine that you can view the today screen, but not be able to do anything until you gesture. If anyone uses PointUI, it's kinda like the builtin lock. You see the main screen until you tap, upon which the lock screen comes up. It's pretty nice (personally use s2u2 instead) but G2U has potential uses.
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I see pluses and minuses to this approach as opposed to using s2u2 with the deleted slide graphics.
If you want true privacy when someone picks up your phone, you wouldn't really want them to see your today screen especially if it contains appointment and tasks info, etc. That's where I think using a modified s2u2 would be better.
If you don't have appointment info on your screen or nothing that is "dynamic" or constantly changing except the clock, then you could skin s2u2 to "match" your today screen and place the clock exactly where it is on your today screen. For example if you have HTC home as your today screen, you can skin s2u2 clock to match the position and font as HTC home and then take a screenshot and modify it to a wallpaper, cutting out the clock par. The tricky part is the missed call and sms counter. S2u2 has the potential to disply that info but to replicate that look of htc home would require major changes, probably requiring A_C's help?
Of course if our devices had the horsepower, we could modify s2u2 to just take the screenshot of the today screen and load it as a wallpaper everytime it starts up, maybe a mortscript, but it would probably would be too slow realistically.

Im glad that u liked the idea... A_C said that he doesnt have the skills to do it.. but im sure he can help...
i don't mind if the appointments info appears on the screen, but i prefer no one can access all other applications... typing a password takes time... especially when activated side by side with S2U2...

Why a signature recognition? How about a gesture system like the one found in firefox plugins:
https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/39
https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/12
They're based on eight directions - four sideways and four diagonal.
Directions are defined as:
U - up
D - down
L - left
R - right
7 - up/left
9 - up/right
1 - down/left
3 - down/right
So to program a gesture you just need to input the directions of strokes it consists of.
For example URDL would mean drawing a rectangle starting from bottom left, and then going up, right, down, left. You can also describe more complicated gestures that way - R2D1L7U9R would mean drawing a circle starting from its top point and moving right.
In my opinion biometric algorithms don't make much sense, since they would need a styluys to work - try to draw your signature using a finger
Simplified gestures should work with finger as well as stylus, and should still provide more than enough security.

Great minds think alike.
What I wanted was a way to use touch to unlock the device very easily without it being easy to copy. I also wanted data to be safe should the device be reset.
I thought of using the standard S2U and just using a skin which didn't make it clear how to unlock so as to deter casual snoops.
There must be a way to do this! If no-one comes up with something soon then I'll dust off my programming books and give it a try.

the new Ftouch Flo a.k.a FtouchSL has some new gesturing features ( like corners )..maybe this would be useful

[PRJ][21.09.2008]The Manila Interface of your dream PnP (pen-and-paper) ;)

Hello guys!
I think many of us came to the thinking that, though TouchFLO 3D is great UI, we should make something alternate, something that better fits our needs. And now, i think i'm ready to create one, but first we should decide how should it look like and how should it operate.
So, i propose a kind of "brainstorming contest" where you decide about the look of a new UI. But to avoid this turning into an annoying feature request list ("more tasks on today! please! please! please!" ), here are the rules:
- NO text-only suggestions - every post s/b illustrated with pen-and-paper drawing
- NO screenshots or photoshop cooks - only hand-drawings or something that look like em (yes, you can use digitizer tablet )
- drawings are NOT required to be professional - just something to illustrate you thoughts
- you are NOT required to develop the complete UI - you may just post suggestions about UI parts, but preferred things are unique navigation idea (try to forget about tabs), apps\tabs convergence, brand new useful apps/tabs
- best contributors ideas (possible with Manila API) will be implemented and their names will be listed in "About..." screen
Posts that violate rules (even best of them), will be ignored.
That's it.

maybe this is too open ended.. do you haev some ideas of your own that you might want to put forward?

omniwolf said:
maybe this is too open ended.. do you haev some ideas of your own that you might want to put forward?
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I'm already implementing ideas of my own
I just wanted to know what do folks think/dream about

show us whatcha go then!

I think D-MAN666 doesn't want to influence people, this is a brainstorming If he starts with his idea, it is probable that nobody will post a completely different concept...

This might be a useful start for interface design:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397220
One thing I would love to see is a radial menu:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_menu
Similar to tap-and-hold for a context menu, but instead of a list popping up, a radial menu appears. You could fit 8-12 options around the circle, which would cover TF3d's pages.
So in usage, tap for the popup radial menu, then:
- swipe up for Contacts
- swipe right for Music
- swipe down for Home
- etc
IMO, it's much easier to be accurate in swiping at different angles/directions than it is to be precise with the default TF3d slider tabs, so you could really speed your way through the interface. The same could apply elsewhere: tap and hold a contact, then swipe up to call, left to SMS, right to email, etc.
For other thoughts, here's a read on interface optimization (for the technically inclined):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law
And maybe later if I'm bored I'll draw some mockups

http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
sorry for breaking the rules, but everyone else is lol...thats a link to the WM7 concept design...along with theoretical gestures...i really digg the battery bar on the bottom and the reception bar...

Ill be the first then...
A quick drawing i knocked up... manila stays very much the same but basicaly show page navigation on the manila both horizontal and vertical..
I hope its clear enough

2 ideas here
I am going to break the rules since I'ma t work and can't really be seen drawing lol.
Here they are:
- Make use of the touch capacitative ability of the the buttons panel. It's made up of three touch panels. Maybe a swipe from left to right to unlock and right to left to lock.
- Display applications within tabs. Ex: Being able to display Icontact when sliding to the contact tab.
And for UI inspiration, I would look here:
http://www.throttlelauncher.com/portal/setupsaskins/45-091setups/69-new-minimal-flow-theme

Ok, here's my concept
The general idea is to keep most of manilla look'n feel, just remove useless animations/transitions, and change the home screen.
Changes : on the right side of the screen, a scrollbar similar to the "contacts" one appears. It controls the content of the box under the clock.
On the left, a button to maximize (take the place of the clock) the box, and a fast vibrator/ring permutation button.
So, by scrolling the bar, the content of the box changes, could be call log, contacts, fast program launcher, music player, and so on.
The idea is to keep complex functionalities (camera, tv, etc) needing full screen accessible by the manilla bar, and quick&fast features such as logs, sms, player accessible on the main screen.

Nice idea, man

Hi there,
just a thought on a possible gui for the UI, instead of tabs, layers (don't know if that's possible, but it would be very cool imho)
you could have multiple layers, and have the layers in the backgound fade out and become smaller (perspective) and use a swipe up or down to navigate

Anything happening on here?
Just wondering

SinnerNL said:
Hi there,
just a thought on a possible gui for the UI, instead of tabs, layers (don't know if that's possible, but it would be very cool imho)
you could have multiple layers, and have the layers in the backgound fade out and become smaller (perspective) and use a swipe up or down to navigate
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great idea!
like the game u can get on Playstation 3... where u 'swim' around collecting stuff and going thru lvls....

I'm thinking that the Ximoon idea is quite good but one thing that should be included is landscape option and I'm not talking about TP version but one with the same functions like the portrait one

I like the idea of the circular menus...

well first of all thanks to you guys you are doing awsome work and its always funn spendin my free time in your forums
now to my idea
does anybody know the film : the lawnmower man? theres one scene almost at the end of the film where he tries to escape to the internet i think the idea is quite amazing movn in a bowl and havin litle windows to select.
what do ya think
this is the link to the movie scene just skip it forward to about 5 minutes
Edit: sry forgot the link :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doAnB5_eDnw&feature=related

Customize your Jade Clone - The Clone Wars (have started). . .

Okay, there is one thread devoted to Jade Clone phones and while it does address a serious need or issue, it hasn't really evolved beyond its title. With the creation of this thread, which I paraphrased Yoda, I Obi-Ron Kenobe propose that we Clones develop tips and customizations that will advance our phones' capabilities.
With that in mind and like other new threads, I will reserve the first two threads as the thread's creator for future developments that I feel are key or that the Mods might wish to use.
"I have a good feeling about this. . .(paraphrasing what Obi-Wan says usually when the action is going to pick up)"

Reserved Second Thread
Reserved for future usage.

Top ten things that should be done to your jade clone before putting the sim card in
TOP TEN THINGS THAT SHOULD BE DONE TO YOUR JADE CLONE BEFORE PUTTING THE SIM CARD IN:
1. Build an SD card prior doing an ActiveSync connection with CAB files that is a back up of the SD card of the one sent with your Jade Clone. You can do this on your PC. I did this prior to getting my Clone because I had an idea which programs I wanted to install due to having a PDA. When the phone arrived, I removed the original SD card and examined it on my PC. I then copied the ROM file to a new card where I had my CAB files stored.
2. On this new SD card, which I recommend be at least 4Gb or 8Gb in size, have a directory with the CAB files you will need to set up your smartphone. I called my directory CABS and have placed the following files in it.
3. Get a good back up program and install it. Sprite or SPB Backup are good commercial software programs that will you to make a back up of your Clone. Every time I install new software, I back up my Clone so that if the installation does not work or I do like the program, I can go back to a good SAFE condition my phone was in prior.
4. Download GPSToggle into your CAB directory and install it.
5. Go to your Today screen, activate GPSToggle and turn it on. I cannot stress how important it is to get your GPS up and running. Let GPSToggle get at least four satellite lock-ons before you turn it off.
6. Install Quick Menu as per this thread.
7. Install iPhoneToday as per this thread. In my humble opinion, iPhoneToday makes use of TouchFlo 3D, is finger friendly and gives your Clone a cool screen that others will notice. My avatar shows what my public iPhone Today home screen looks like.
8. Get a good Explorer like program like Total Commander.
9. Get PHM Registry Editor but be very careful with its use as changes to the Registry can really affect your Clone.
10. Do a back up after installing these programs.
I really recommend having an initial back up of what your ROM looks like after you turn it on for the first time and then a second one after you have completed my TOP TEN LIST. I will admit that I did not do all these steps initially but went back and reaccomplished them after I realized how important it is to have this first back up and then a back up of what my installed program list is.
That way if I ever screw up an installation, I can go back to either the primary or secondary installations. I also keep the original SD card put away in a storage case. Yes, you can always find back up ROM file that is included on this SD card but when I need it, I don't want to have to go online to find it.
I recommend doing back ups religiously. I do one almost every day. I keep the initial two and then the last three chronological back ups (a total of five). That way in case something goes wrong and I can't identify where it went wrong, I can go as far back as necessary to get to a good configuration.
Finally, while it did not make the TOP TEN - Number 11 would be to make a back up of your SD card periodically. I have two back up cards. One is the master that never gets used. The other two get rotated. SD cards can become corrupted due to usage. Having a back up SD card will preclude you having to reformat a corrupted card and reinstalling it.

Replace your battery without loss of date or time - MikelSpikel BatteryReplace.zip
Part of the reason I decided to create this thread was because tonight for the upteenth time, I swapped a dead battery for a charged secondary battery. One of the better aspects of Jade Clones is that most sellers provide two batteries and a secondary charger that hooks into the wall or can be connected to a USB port.
Well, if you remove the battery on a Clone, it loses its date and time which really blows IMHO. As a Dell Axim x51V user, I remembered a utility cab program written by another user on a Mobility Site (http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/1059212947-post64.html). Yesterday before I left for an overnight trip I installed it and it works!!!
The cab, MikelSpikel BatteryReplace.cab, can be installed to your Clone or storage card. I installed mine to the device as it only takes 62kb. I felt that there will be a time when I might have out the SD card and would like the installed program to sit on the Clone.
Once installed as per the cited post, the cab will place an icon in your Clone's Taskbar. When you need to change out your battery, click the icon and it will ask if you need to store the date and time into flash memory.
Enjoy!
Revised: 101009 - Included picture of Icon in lower right corner of Today screen.

QuickMenu program recommendation
Check out QuickMenu from one of xda's community: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=340352
You can see screenshots of it as a GIF here: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-quickmenu-v2-7.html
The most current version is 2.8 available at the first link. When you click QuickMenu's icon from within its program, you will see a Screen menu item. Clicking it, you will see H-V Switch which stands for Horizontal - Vertical Switch or rotate screen utility. The nice thing about this is the program will allow you to set up a shortcut for rotate that can be used with icon programs like iPhoneToday. However, if you remove QuickMenu, the link will become broken.
QuickMenu has a lot of other neat functions like Close Running Program. The one I like the most is that it shows all programs still running (even though you may think you have closed them). Clicking the X next to their name will shut them down. You can see the GIF example which lists programs running at its top.
Clicking the QuickMenu icon from within the program will show the Suspend feature. I use that to save my battery. The phone will "awake" when a call comes in. . . Love this Suspend feature!
As per the Mod edit on the xda link, use the Options button (get to it by clicking the QuickMenu icon) to set up a "fingerfriendly view". Go to view and set the Menu Item Edge to a number like 8 (that's where I have mine set for a T3232 clone.
QuickMenu has another feature I like - programs are running in the background undetected by WM can be closed from its main menu. I check this screen frequently because a couple of programs I have installed will self-activate and I close them whenever I see them running silent.
QuickMenu has a lot of neat features. In the Options, I have mine set to be memory resident and replace WM's lame Start Menu. When I click at the upper left hand corner, it activates. It can set up shortcut links to lots of features normal users cannot figure out how to do!
Enjoy!
Revised: 111109 to include screen pic of View tab on Settings page.

iPhoneToday Program Recommendation
iPhoneToday will give your Clone the appearance and feel of an iPhone. Install the cab file to your device and you will have two options as how you want to execute the file.
The first option is as per the developer: your Today screen must be reset from the Settings menu to have no other items present other than iPhoneToday. In essence your Clone will still look like a Windows smartphone.
The second option, which I recommend highly, is to copy iPhoneToday's LNK file from WM Programs to Windows StartUp directory. Reboot your Clone and now iPhoneToday boots at startup with the icons have better spacing. I recommend leaving the bottom row empty so you use that space for sliding and gliding ala the iPhone.
When you see it on your Today screen (please see the attached picture for what my modified home screen looks like), you will need to reset the icons by tapping and holding them. This will bring up a context menu of several items. The one you should use all the time is Edit Icon selection.
I recommend you pick the icon you dislike the most to use as the first one you work on. At the top of the Icon Settings page you will see multiple selections. Let's go through them one by one:
Screen - Screen # is the page or tab you want the icon to be displayed at. Screen 0 is the home screen. If I remember correctly, when installed iPhoneToday comes with three pages. I banished the ugliest first one to a new page by editting Screen to Screen 4 which created the fourth page. NOTE: Screen -1 is the bottommost row of Icons ans is the Homerow. These Icons will exist on every page. You need to give careful consideration as to which Icons you want there as they should be the ones you use most often. I decided for myself that instead of four icons on the Homerow, I wanted only three Icons to highlight them. This gives me a cleaner swipe and glide as well as differentiating this from the iPhone app.
Icon - Icon # (where # can be equal 0 through 11) is where you want the Icon to sit on a particular page. Icon 0 is the first Icon. Icon 11 is the last which sits in the bottom right.
Execute - this block tells iPhoneToday which Program it will run (I lied and jumped ahead but you will soon see why). To designate which Program you wish this Icon to use, click on the small box to the right of the big left block next to the word Execute which has three dots in it. iPhoneToday will take you to your Programs directory where you can choose which Program you want the Icon to run or Execute. When you tap or choose a Program, box will pop up saying Exit and offer to "Set Icon Name?' with a Yes and No choice. For your initial Icon, please answer Yes. When you get more experience you can always go back and edit the Icons, Names, Pages, etc.
Image - most Programs have a standard PNG file that displays it as icon. In the iPhoneToday directory you will find other images or icons that can be used other than the standard icon. The reason for this is because WM does not use rounded or more stylistic icons which iPhone does. In the attached picture, you can see that I used iPhoneToday's icon for iGO8 versus the balloon tipped icon that iGO8 normally displays.
Animation - this should already be checked for you. The animation is what gives iPhoneToday that quote unquote iPhone look when an app is started.
I do not use the other blocks or choices that are on the rest of the Icon Settings page. You can test them when you are more comfortable with iPhoneToday.
Once you have set the name, click OK at the top right corner. An Exit box will appear and ask if you want to Save Changes? If you're happy with your selection, click Yes and the Icon will be created on the appropriate page.
Please note: the developer placed some Icons with Spanish titles. Please do not complain about this! Because I speak Spanish too and as a homage to him, I left my homerow in Spanish. You can always edit the Icons to your own language.
Also: some of the Icons will work automatically. Some need to be tweaked. The one I remember is FM Radio. I had to tweak its Execute to where FM Radio exists on my Clone.
The most current version is v1.3 - I use 1.2.5 because the new version just came out last week. Both versions are attached to this message. I've included them here because they are stored on Rapid$hare which is now harrassing free users with delays in downloading programs.
Last week, I showed my phone to a buddy who has a new smartphone himself. He asked when I got an iPhone. I said I had a smartphone too but had modified it with a program (iPhoneToday). When iPhoneToday is booted at Start-Up, it gives your Clone the iPhone appearance because it is full screen. He was so impressed that he asked me to modify his phone for him. Let's just say, he bought me some beers to pay for my experience. . .
Speaking of beers - if you like iPhoneToday, please donate to the developer the price of a cup of coffee or a beer!
Here is our xda link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508429
I could not upload 1.2.5 as an attachment and editted this post to include this link for it:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BCKIAH9N

Forum Tip: Tags (in lower left corner of screen)
BTW, if you look at the left bottom of this thread, you will see that it has been tagged with several other threads. If you click on one of the tags, you will see other threads that have a Jade Clone connection to this thread.
Check them out! Not many but the Clone Wars have started. . .

GPS Toggle - Today screen app
Having problems getting your GPS to turn on and work for your GPS programs? If so, a little app known as GPSToggle may solve your problem.
Download GPSToggle CAB from this link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7VRBH5RS . It is called GPSToggle and is a Today screen app. It works best when installed to main memory.
Once installed, you will need to add it to your Today screen. From your Today screen go to Settings, then choose Today settings. Go to the Items tab and you should see BAF GPS Toggle at the bottom of the list. Click the box to have it added to your Today Screen. Close the Settings screen and go back to your Today screen.
Now, a little bit of info about your GPS. It will work best when it has an unobstructed view of the sky overhead. It should stationery (not moving) and uninterrupted from the time you turn on the application.
Some people can get satellite signals inside a building. I can because I live in a one-story condo. If you can sit outside with your phone for about 30 minutes, GPSToggle should do the trick.
On your Today screen you will now see an item called GPS with the word OFF next to it. Click the word GPS and the word next to it will change to On indicating that the app has turned on your GPS.
Now sit back, be patient and wait. If you're lucky and outside, the SIRF III chip in your phone should lock on within as little as 42 seconds and as long as five minutes.
Attached to this message are four screens showing what your screen will look like:
GPSToggle 01 - Initial turn on. GPS is in search mode (no satellites detected).
GPSToggle 02 - GPS on. Communication beginning. 12 satellites possible.
GPSToggle 03 - GPS on. Four satellite bars displayed. Satnav not possible yet.
GPSToggle 04 - GPS on. Four satellites locked on. 3D satnav possible.
Note 1: I had not turned on my GPS today which meant it took about 2.5 minutes to lock on. This is not bad considering I am sitting in my front room. Normally, it takes about 60 seconds when I have turned on the GPS previously in the day and eperemis data which is satellite position and timing information is available from a previous session.
Note 2: According to most SIRF manufacturers, it takes three satellites for 2D satnav to occur. Most GPS programs can operate with that mode. Four satellites provide 3D satnav which is preferred.
See if this works for you. If it does, whenever you need to use your GPS, go to the Today screen and use GPSToggle to turn on the GPS for you which will quote warm it up for your GPS program. Once you see four green bars, you can turn on your GPS program and navigate like a champ!
You can read further about GPSToggle at this URL and thank the developer: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-gps-toggle.html
Good luck!

Score is Zero to Zero. . .
My old Coach used to remind us before each game that the score was Zero to Zero and that great defense would keep the other side at Zero. How does this apply to HTC Clones?
Well, it is early in the game in the development of WM6.5. Some of you might have 6.1 and feeling slightly left behind. If I was you, I would not be too worried about getting or upgrading to the "the next best ROM."
From what I have read and seen, WM6.1 is fairly stable and some users report better than 6.5. To go back to the Coach's analogy, the other side may have a slight advantage but the score still is Zero to Zero and we can narrow the gap if we keep them at Zero.
My point is that we all should be committed to do no harm to our Clones.
Get a good back up program and use it often!
Don't jump on the latest and greatest program - go with what you know and what others have reported as being steady and good!
Do these things and we Clones will win!

Great idea and I'm with you ..
I have 2 device The Clone and the original device also .

Don't like the feel of your Power Switch to awake your Clone from Suspend?
Don't know about you but I don't like how hard I have to depress the Power Switch to awaken my Jade Clone from Suspend especially if I am sitting at home next to the computer when all I want to do is add a CAB file to my SD card or make a small program adjustment. Sooner or later all that pressure could affect the Power Switch. Why give the PS abuse when a web service will do the trick for you?
Well, a useful website will awaken your Clone from Suspend or if you've misplaced and feel it is nearby. Here is the site:
http://www.wheresmycellphone.com/
wheresmycellphone dot com will place a call and ring your Clone awakening it. Or, if you've misplaced it, you can go look for a ringing phone. I like using this website and have plugged it as a Contact.

Additional Icons for iPhoneToday
Looking for some additional Icons to add to your iPhoneToday app? Well, here's some courtesy of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4627577#post4627577
The current version is 1.2 but 1.3 was unofficially released in Post #74 of that thread by the developer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4837730&postcount=74
You can download the Icon ZIP files from this post or that thread. They can be placed in the iPhoneToday folder or on your SD card. Enjoy!

system tray
i've installed iphone today but i cannot remove the system tray from the bottom of screen. i have searched and tried everything but no luck. did you need to remove it from your homescreen

silverback said:
i've installed iphone today but i cannot remove the system tray from the bottom of screen. i have searched and tried everything but no luck. did you need to remove it from your homescreen
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If I remember correctly, somewhere in the iPhoneToday's thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=508429), removing the Taskbar is discussed. I found it much easier to display iPhoneToday full-screen as per what I originally wrote:
The second option, which I recommend highly, is to copy iPhoneToday's LNK file from WM Programs to Windows StartUp directory. Reboot your Clone and now iPhoneToday boots at startup with the icons have better spacing. I recommend leaving the bottom row empty so you use that space for sliding and gliding ala the iPhone.
While I like and use iPhoneToday, I am not a master of it - I have it tweaked to what I like as described in the iPhoneToday Program Recommendation which is Post #6 of this thread. My avatar is a picture of my homescreen and appears next to my name in each post. I only get smart enough to be dangerous with each app I recommend here but throw caution to the wind when I install programs to my Clone. Above all else, I will do no harm to my Clone.
I recommend all of you to do the same. If I recommend something here, it's because I use it and know it is safe as long as you don't do something stupid with it. Operator error cannot be accounted for by anybody but yourself!
If you want to get rid of the Taskbar, you will need to visit the developer's thread.

One of the other xda forums I visit has a thread similar to the one I created for all of us Jade Clone owners which is hyperlinked to its title:
Jade Clone Owners - Please sign in!​
Please visit that thread by clicking on it and sign in so we can get to know each other.​

Treasure Hunt
Thought I had forgotten about this thread? No way, Jose. . .
I've been working on something - not sure if it will be big or small but it's going to be a treasure hunt. Starting on Thursday, each day clues will be left in this thread to find the Easter Egg. . .
Stay tuned. Same Bat Channel. Same Bat Time!

Let the hunt begin. . .
Tick tock and it's all right;
Eastern Standard Time, it's midnight.
With this the first leg;
look for the Easter Egg.
It's on screen;
and not in between.
Its words will take you;
to what you must do!!!
INSTRUCTIONS:
Each day will find a clue to a thread you must visit to gain knowledge. I will give the clue in an obscure way. To solve the riddle of the rhyme above, look for the words Easter Egg on this screen. A hyperlink will take you to what you must do. . .

Lest we forget, one of my first posts (in this thread), I made a promise which I will keep next week.
The start of this thread to Customize your Jade Clone - The Clone Wars (have started). . . was the first part of making it good to the Forum. Next week will take it to new heights for us Jade Clone owers.
A new thread will be created and hopefully water your eyes. . .

Conclusion and reason for Easter Egg Hunt
Hello, if you followed the Easter Egg Hunt last week, you should have visited several other threads of major importantance. The first clue was Easter Egg and appears as one of the Tags in the lower left corner - does anyone remember me asking you to look at the Tags? The first clue had you go to this thread:
Jade Clone Owners - Please sign in!
where you should have signed in as a Jade Clone owner.
If you click on any of the Tags you will find similar Jade Clone, HTC Clone or other tagged articles here on xda. The Easter Egg Tag specificially takes lists this thread and the following one as being linked:
To iGO8 users
The clue in that thread led you to this thread:
HTC Clone - TouchFlo
Finally, you should have ended up at this thread:
iGO8 for Jade Clones
All these threads are hyperlinked and very important to us Jade Clone owners and should be bookmarked using the Thread Tools button for review whenever you login.
In the days ahead, each link will be explained further. Please stay tuned