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Who's waiting on the other group of devs before they root?

I'm not too ready to go nuke all of my apps and data without being able to back them up properly. Hopefully the other group will have a method that doesn't involve completely flashing a new image so I can use Titanium Backup before flashing any custom ROMs.

TheBiles said:
I'm not too ready to go nuke all of my apps and data without being able to back them up properly. Hopefully the other group will have a method that doesn't involve completely flashing a new image so I can use Titanium Backup before flashing any custom ROMs.
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on every other phone, when gaining root access it requires a hard reset. better to root in the beginning.

p-slim said:
on every other phone, when gaining root access it requires a hard reset. better to root in the beginning.
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Really? I'm pretty sure I didn't have to factory-reset to root my Hero. I've also had my EVO for over a week, so everything is already installed and organized.

TheBiles said:
I'm not too ready to go nuke all of my apps and data without being able to back them up properly. Hopefully the other group will have a method that doesn't involve completely flashing a new image so I can use Titanium Backup before flashing any custom ROMs.
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If i understand this, rooting does not require any flashing, so you can root , install titanium back up, and then when a custom rom is ready you can flash it.

I will check the grack one out, but I am 80% sure I am going with the one from awesome guys here.

The other group of devs are using a exploit in sprint\htc software. They are going to release the info on the exploit to sprint\htc in 1 week after release. So say goodbye to your other root. I am pretty sure toast root is from a rom thats for engineering purposes. So the root should stay working. Don't quote me on this but I am pretty sure this is correct info.

shep211 said:
The other group of devs are using a exploit in sprint\htc software. They are going to release the info on the exploit to sprint\htc in 1 week after release. So say goodbye to your other root. I am pretty sure toast root is from a rom thats for engineering purposes. So the root should stay working. Don't quote me on this but I am pretty sure this is correct info.
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I'm lost here, who are "The other group", the guys from grack.com??

mikevillarroel said:
I'm lost here, who are "The other group", the guys from grack.com??
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yes the other group of devs is grack.com

shep211 said:
yes the other group of devs is grack.com
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They have made this web http://unrevoked.com/ and it's suppose to go live tomorrow, if so......what do we do, root as toast did or root as they will?

mikevillarroel said:
They have made this web http://unrevoked.com/ and it's suppose to go live tomorrow, if so......what do we do, root as toast did or root as they will?
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they still dont have "sticky root" or the ability to flash custom roms and such. ur gonna need to use my method for that until we figure out nand protection and how to exploit it. i think they are only releasing their root method as a "proof of concept" or t show how easy it was to gain root perms on the stock build. it will most likely not be the replacement for my method. i talk with them a bit and its just in hopes that both methods together could possible bring a nand exploit to life.

At this point I am waiting as I don't see any reason to root. I can't use titanium backup and frankly don't care about themes or additional roms. OOTB is fast as hell.
Once full system access is achieved, or a fully functional Froyo ROM is available, then I will root.
Just my observation, but I alway ERR on the side of caution.

mikevillarroel said:
If i understand this, rooting does not require any flashing, so you can root , install titanium back up, and then when a custom rom is ready you can flash it.
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The first thing you do is flash an image to your phone that overwrites your current ROM.
shep211 said:
The other group of devs are using a exploit in sprint\htc software. They are going to release the info on the exploit to sprint\htc in 1 week after release. So say goodbye to your other root. I am pretty sure toast root is from a rom thats for engineering purposes. So the root should stay working. Don't quote me on this but I am pretty sure this is correct info.
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I was hoping that I'd get the ability to access recovery and flash new ROMs with theirs, so then I could just flash a custom ROM with normal root anyways. According to toast, this doesn't seem to be the case...
toastcfh said:
they still dont have "sticky root" or the ability to flash custom roms and such. ur gonna need to use my method for that until we figure out nand protection and how to exploit it. i think they are only releasing their root method as a "proof of concept" or t show how easy it was to gain root perms on the stock build. it will most likely not be the replacement for my method. i talk with them a bit and its just in hopes that both methods together could possible bring a nand exploit to life.
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Really? I thought sticky-root was one of the items on their checklist to accomplish before release.
Does anyone happen to know if I can backup apps with a non-root required app then restore them and use Titanium Backup's Market Doctor to fix their Market entries? The lack of backing up Market links is the only reason I don't use other backup apps.

Bielinsk said:
At this point I am waiting as I don't see any reason to root. I can't use titanium backup and frankly don't care about themes or additional roms. OOTB is fast as hell.
Once full system access is achieved, or a fully functional Froyo ROM is available, then I will root.
Just my observation, but I alway ERR on the side of caution.
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just dont flash or except any updates from sprint. those could possibly ruin ur chances of root ever.

toastcfh said:
they still dont have "sticky root" or the ability to flash custom roms and such. ur gonna need to use my method for that until we figure out nand protection and how to exploit it. i think they are only releasing their root method as a "proof of concept" or t show how easy it was to gain root perms on the stock build. it will most likely not be the replacement for my method. i talk with them a bit and its just in hopes that both methods together could possible bring a nand exploit to life.
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just dont flash or except any updates from sprint. those could possibly ruin ur chances of root ever.
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how can we avoid this updates from sprint?
Sorry if my questions sound stupid but i'm just learning here man! .

mikevillarroel said:
how can we avoid this updates from sprint?
Sorry if my questions sound stupid but i'm just learning here man! .
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Most custom roms will remove the OTA update feature. Only stock roms will have this feature. If you are on a stock rom and update is available you can decline it also.

toastcfh said:
just dont flash or except any updates from sprint. those could possibly ruin ur chances of root ever.
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Very wise advice. I have HTC updates turned off. Not sure if there is any place to disable Sprint updates.

Also on ANY piece of electronics you have to give your consent for any update to be applied, so even with the stock ROM you can decline updates.
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TheBiles said:
... even with the stock ROM you can decline updates.
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Where would one go to decline this? Is there a setting I can just set now, and forget, (how?) or will I need to decline every time?

JustinChase said:
Where would one go to decline this? Is there a setting I can just set now, and forget, (how?) or will I need to decline every time?
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Unless you are rooted you will continue to get that notification, its quite annoying.

What do I have to do when the real froyo comes out if I'm rooted

Question is pretty straight foward. Do I have to unroot? Do I lose root if I update and have to wait until the real froyo is rooted?
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Very quickly (perhaps hours) after the official Samsung update becomes available OTA, one of the developers here will surely post a stock rom for Froyo that is already rooted and Clockwork Recovery ready. There will probably be versions flashable by both Odin and Clockwork. Custom roms will be updated soon after that.

To actually answer your question you would most likely be safe with just using odin back to an older build 2.1 then let the ota take over after you boot in to your homescreen.
However, answering your question completely. Losing root is a big maybe better yet a most likely. There is a root already out that i'm almost positive will work with the official 2.2 also though.

What if I just want to update to froyo using my phone and then root later?
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iwantAdollar said:
What if I just want to update to froyo using my phone and then root later?
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That would be a bad idea because it's possible that samsung/sprint will have patched all the currently known root exploits. Most likely there will be a flashable zip available on xda within hours of release that will let you maintain root. The froyo update can be altered easily to maintain root but if you use it unmodified to update and then expect to reroot you will likely be screwed.

So far I have yet to flash one OTA that has intervened with root...though doesn't the exploit effect ADB which google needs to fix..I dont think its that simple to just patch up..

If someone is rooted but has not modifed their phone in any way or removed any stock apps, would they still be able to receive OTA?

gTen said:
So far I have yet to flash one OTA that has intervened with root...though doesn't the exploit effect ADB which google needs to fix..I dont think its that simple to just patch up..
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There have not been any major OTAs yet so I don't see why that would be much of an argument that this huge OTA won't kill root. We had OTA's on the hero that preserved root and others that patched it. If you want to go ahead and take your chances with the OTA be my guest, but I was just trying to let the OP know that the risk to reward ratio is way to high in my opinion.

richse said:
There have not been any major OTAs yet so I don't see why that would be much of an argument that this huge OTA won't kill root. We had OTA's on the hero that preserved root and others that patched it. If you want to go ahead and take your chances with the OTA be my guest, but I was just trying to let the OP know that the risk to reward ratio is way to high in my opinion.
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The ops question is whether or not the OTA would not work if he is rooted..similar to removing stock apps..hence I answered based on that, not maintaining root...

Elixis said:
If someone is rooted but has not modifed their phone in any way or removed any stock apps, would they still be able to receive OTA?
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Yes u will still get ota and it should work fine. U might need to reroot after but that's all. The 2.2 ota might break root on ur current setup, but I don't think the update will patch the root exploit so u should be able to run the same oneclick and get root again.

how about we wait till it happens? it could all change depending on what the OTA update does to our phones. The advice has always been wait ... Wait.. and wait.. when it is safe then do the OTA.

gTen said:
The ops question is whether or not the OTA would not work if he is rooted..similar to removing stock apps..hence I answered based on that, not maintaining root...
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Maybe you should try reading the OP again. It says:
iwantAdollar said:
Question is pretty straight foward. Do I have to unroot? Do I lose root if I update and have to wait until the real froyo is rooted?
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He was asking a lot more than if he would get the OTA. I answered his question and gave some advice. You chimed in with some crap about never having lost root with an OTA. That was crap advice so I responded.

richse said:
Maybe you should try reading the OP again. It says:
He was asking a lot more than if he would get the OTA. I answered his question and gave some advice. You chimed in with some crap about never having lost root with an OTA. That was crap advice so I responded.
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I could have sworn the question was different when I read it :/..and I'm pretty sure I reread it after you posted..but I dont see edited, unless it got lost or..hmm..am I going senile? :/ lol

[Q] Can Custom Recoveries hurt?

Can having flashed TWRP 2.5.0.2 or a CWM based recovery in any way hinder/stop OTA updates or re-stock
via un-root and KIES and/or ODIN? Please overlook any obvious inherent stupidity in the question becsuse if I knew I
Wouldn't have asked. Give me something and I should be able to search out the rest.
Thanks for the help...

numbR7 said:
Can having flashed TWRP 2.5.0.2 or a CWM based recovery in any way hinder/stop OTA updates or re-stock
via un-root and KIES and/or ODIN? Please overlook any obvious inherent stupidity in the question becsuse if I knew I
Wouldn't have asked. Give me something and I should be able to search out the rest.
Thanks for the help...
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Do A search for blocking the OTA, also normally when your on a Rooted rom, (NORMALLY) it stops the OTA's:victory:

if you are rooted, you should never take any OTA updates period...
you will likely lose root, the update may or may not complete, and it can cause problems, especially for someone new to rooting and android..
Eventually most dev's incorporate all the beneficial stuff from any ota update into their releases, so I never understand why people who are rooted even bother trying to make ota updates work on their phones..
does that answer help you out?

wase4711 said:
if you are rooted, you should never take any OTA updates period...
you will likely lose root, the update may or may not complete, and it can cause problems, especially for someone new to rooting and android..
Eventually most dev's incorporate all the beneficial stuff from any ota update into their releases, so I never understand why people who are rooted even bother trying to make ota updates work on their phones..
does that answer help you out?
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Yes I'm starting to get a better picture
But my concern is say we get key lime pie or some super wamandyne
update I want to be assured tha t I could:
1. un-root
2. Re-stock via ODIN
3. Udate via KIES

numbR7 said:
Yes I'm starting to get a better picture
But my concern is say we get key lime pie or some super wamandyne
update I want to be assured tha t I could:
1. un-root
2. Re-stock via ODIN
3. Udate via KIES
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Oops, hit the thanks button by accident.
Anyways, you can always flash back to stock with Odin.
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numbR7 said:
Yes I'm starting to get a better picture
But my concern is say we get key lime pie or some super wamandyne
update I want to be assured tha t I could:
1. un-root
2. Re-stock via ODIN
3. Udate via KIES
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That will work, just remember you'll likely lose the ability to re flash you recovery or kernel since any update is likely to invlude a patched bootloader.

numbR7 said:
Yes I'm starting to get a better picture
But my concern is say we get key lime pie or some super wamandyne
update I want to be assured tha t I could:
1. un-root
2. Re-stock via ODIN
3. Udate via KIES
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Keep in mind...we at xda usually get updates long before official users due to stock firmware leaks...so with that said we will likely have key lime pie touchwiz roms before its officially released
Also most importantly...if some super crazy ota like key lime pie is released...it will also very likely include patches to current exploits not allowing you to root or flash roms again until new exploits are discovered (our root method motochopper has already been patched by Verizon) - so if tour into flashing and rooting its always highly advised to not update until a dev gives the ok...
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[Q] To root or wait?

Hey guys,
I want to root to use V4A and some root apps but I have a question.
Shall I root now or wait for 4.4 and then root?
Because when I root now I need to do alot of things to be able to update to 4.4, right?
Thanks in advance.

kpieters5 said:
Hey guys,
I want to root to use V4A and some root apps but I have a question.
Shall I root now or wait for 4.4 and then root?
Because when I root now I need to do alot of things to be able to update to 4.4, right?
Thanks in advance.
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I think you should wait.. The Big month has arrived..
you can root it now,its not that hectic or hard to go back to stock..
Press thanks if I helped you..

kpieters5 said:
Hey guys,
I want to root to use V4A and some root apps but I have a question.
Shall I root now or wait for 4.4 and then root?
Because when I root now I need to do alot of things to be able to update to 4.4, right?
Thanks in advance.
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You don't necessarily need to do a lot of things to un-root after you root. Are you familiar with flashing factory images? Right when 4.4 comes out, Google should release the 4.4 factory image for the Nexus 4. You should be able to grab the images and flash them the same day they announce 4.4, whereas if you want to grab the OTA update for 4.4 (which you might have trouble grabbing if you're rooted), you might have to wait a week or so. Here are some helpful links:
Helpful guide to flash factory images
Obligatory root guide; great as a reference
I would recommend getting comfortable with adb and fastboot before flashing, well, anything. I know in the perfect world that would be possible, but most people want root and just want it done without fully understanding what's going on. If you follow the above guides line for line, you should be ok. Another helpful tip: no matter what, as long as you can get into the bootloader, your phone is not bricked and can fully be fixed.
All of that said, if you can wait, then I'd say wait. The announcement should be within the next few weeks.

Johmama said:
You don't necessarily need to do a lot of things to un-root after you root. Are you familiar with flashing factory images? Right when 4.4 comes out, Google should release the 4.4 factory image for the Nexus 4. You should be able to grab the images and flash them the same day they announce 4.4, whereas if you want to grab the OTA update for 4.4 (which you might have trouble grabbing if you're rooted), you might have to wait a week or so. Here are some helpful links:
Helpful guide to flash factory images
Obligatory root guide; great as a reference
I would recommend getting comfortable with adb and fastboot before flashing, well, anything. I know in the perfect world that would be possible, but most people want root and just want it done without fully understanding what's going on. If you follow the above guides line for line, you should be ok. Another helpful tip: no matter what, as long as you can get into the bootloader, your phone is not bricked and can fully be fixed.
All of that said, if you can wait, then I'd say wait. The announcement should be within the next few weeks.
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Thank you very much for the links and the info!
Luckly, im pretty handy with adb/rooting and stuff like that, but I still have a question though.
If I root now and remain stock(no custom rom and kernel) will unrooting and flashing stock recovery trough ADB make me able to install OTA update of 4.4 without wipe?
Thanks again!

As far as I've known, a rooted Android phone can safely receive an update as long as you don't change things like the kernel, custom rom, etc). The only thing that should happen is that you'll be unrooted once you update your phone but don't quote me on it. HOPEFULLY SOMEONE WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE WILL CHIME IN AND CONFIRM WHAT I SAID
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if you want or need root, then root. if you dont want root or dont need it, then dont root. it doesnt matter what everyones opinion on the matter is, they are not you and dont know what your needs are. my guess is that you dont need it, since you arent decisive and need opinions. i need an opinion also, should i wash my hair today?
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to update to 4.4 after having root is a non problem.. you either will have to flash a prerooted rom, or youll youll take the ota update, then reflash a custom recovery and the su binaries. both of which takes just a few minutes.

simms22 said:
i need an opinion also, should i wash my hair today?
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Don't wash your hair today, let the natural oil build up.

eksasol said:
Don't wash your hair today, let the natural oil build up.
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little do you know, i am bald, and have the rest shaved off
but i need to come back here and thank you, when i get some thanks again. you made my evening!

Thanks for all the answers! helped me alot!

Noob root question. If i get an OTA can i just flash SuperSU once im already rooted?

Sorry for the confusing title, I'm coming from a Nexus 6 that was one of the easier phones to root and customize. So far I'm on month 3 with my V20 and haven't rooted it yet. If I do and receive a OTA I will obviously lose my root, but once I have an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery installed, can I just reflash SuperSU to reroot?
Thanks.

OTAs on this device overwrite the bootloader and recovery. you WILL lose root. and all methods to get it back.

me2151 said:
OTAs on this device overwrite the bootloader and recovery. you WILL lose root. and all methods to get it back.
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So then rooting is pointless right now?
Should have got the Pixel.
Thanks!

tjlmbklr said:
So then rooting is pointless right now?
Should have got the Pixel.
Thanks!
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Rooting isn't pointless. You still have access to all the exclusive root features you wouldn't normally have of course. Why would you want to take an OTA anyways unless you have some issue with your phone (just curious)? You could just wait for someone to post TWRP flashable updates for your variant of the V20 so that you can keep root access while still updating.

jluca98 said:
Rooting isn't pointless. You still have access to all the exclusive root features you wouldn't normally have of course. Why would you want to take an OTA anyways unless you have some issue with your phone (just curious)? You could just wait for someone to post TWRP flashable updates for your variant of the V20 so that you can keep root access while still updating.
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I'm waiting on 7.1 and fear I will finally root and it will come along in a OTA and I will not be able to root again until someone comes up with a new form of root.
I could be way off though, like I said, noob question, I came from a Nexus 6 where root and flashing custom ROMs was a cake walk for a guy like me.
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all you need is someone who can provide updated stock roms like i do on the ls997 On the sprint model we have the latest OTA applied

Yeah but as you know development on the H990ds isn't exactly buzzing.

Neither are the other devices anymore

I guess. Surprises me as the V20 is a fantastic device.
But LG didn't make anything easy for you devs.