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[Q] Had the iPad mini should i go for NEXUS 7 32GB ??

Hello I bought the iPad mini on the release day in Denmark..
I really enjoy the build quality on the MINI but i got boring really fast.. so now its sold..
my girlfriend got the Galaxy tab 2 7" that came with our ES8005 and it grows after i got used to the screen size..
now I'm considering the NEXUS 7 because it's more powerful and like the rubber feel backside..
only downside is that if i look trough XDA NEXUS 7 forum it seems that there is A LOT of problems with it..
So i ask all of you NEXUS 7 users, how is it ??
on GSMARENA.com the music part get som hard words is it really that bad ?? i won't use it for music that much..
thanks for your help
my phone is a Samsung Galaxy NOTE 2

dk_iceman said:
Hello I bought the iPad mini on the release day in Denmark..
I really enjoy the build quality on the MINI but i got boring really fast.. so now its sold..
my girlfriend got the Galaxy tab 2 7" that came with our ES8005 and it grows after i got used to the screen size..
now I'm considering the NEXUS 7 because it's more powerful and like the rubber feel backside..
only downside is that if i look trough XDA NEXUS 7 forum it seems that there is A LOT of problems with it..
So i ask all of you NEXUS 7 users, how is it ??
on GSMARENA.com the music part get som hard words is it really that bad ?? i won't use it for music that much..
thanks for your help
my phone is a Samsung Galaxy NOTE 2
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I have both the nexus7 wi fi and the nexus 7 3g no problems what so ever with either ,the 7 3g will be amazing when(hopefully)
the devs get the phone to work

I'm very happy with my tab and after rooting its even more wonderful. Also i always prefere an open system before iOS.
But maybe thats just me.
The build quality is amazing for that price imho.
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I had a launch 16 gig nexus 7 with no problems, now I have a new 32 gig nexus 7 with no problems.

I have no problems with my N7.
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I can't say a bad word about my 32gb, updated to 4.2 and its fine even with another user account. I play music from Google music over Bluetooth home theatre and it sounds great.
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For starters, there aren't alot of problems with it. The only issue is that the left side of the screen has some weird screen lift. It isn't noticeable unless you look at it at an angle and are really looking for it. Not all have this problem and it seems to be corrected in the newer units with the exclusion of 2 screws (the culprits).
Other then that, it is a great tab. Hardware wise, the N7 is vastly superior. The rubberized back is awesome.
Plus the iPad Mini is retarded. It isn't that much smaller then a regular iPad 4 that is a much better buy if going the iPad route.
I've owned an iPad1 and iPad2 (trying to diverse) but found that Apple products aren't very productive and useless outside of media consumption. I can get the same satisfaction out of my Android Tab with the benefit of actually using it for work. Once I had my fill of a few Apple specific games, I started to use it less and less and less. To the point where it would just sit on the charger for days without use. My Nexus 7 gets it's use. I use it interchangeably with my phone so much that my phone lasts MUCH longer and my N7 is needing a charger by midnight (from 8am). All of the games, surfing, XDA, facebooking, tweeting, etc is done on the N7. My phone is for calls, emails, and SMS/Chatting. Both are happy.
It is also very nice to have an Android phone and tablet since you can bounce between both using similar apps and really marry them with some great apps. DataSync automatically keeps my app data in sync, so my game saves are constant on either device. Apps and Games I buy for my tablet also work on my phone without a separate purchase. I use WiFi Tethering with my 4G Galaxy Nexus to keep them both on the same network with internet access. When Tethered, I can also use WiFi File Explorer to share files from either device.
Awesome experience. The small size of the N7 is really great. I came from a 10" Asus Transformer and I love the pocketable size. It fits in a coat pocket to free my hands or stows in a glove box.
I use a Portenzo Book Cover case and it's great.

I love my 32GB N7 had it for over a week and it's a dream to use, add the Tablet Talk app that's available from the Play Store and you can use it as a fully functional phone (but you have to tether to phone over WiFi or Bluetooth, and calls are routed through the phone speaker/microphone).
Roland
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Rolandh said:
I love my 32GB N7 had it for over a week and it's a dream to use, add the Tablet Talk app that's available from the Play Store and you can use it as a fully functional phone (but you have to tether to phone over WiFi or Bluetooth, and calls are routed through the phone speaker/microphone).
Roland
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What's the point of using N7 as a phone if you have to tether it to your existing phone?

I have been using my N7 since launch had 0 problems! I love this tablet!

DaveInLA said:
What's the point of using N7 as a phone if you have to tether it to your existing phone?
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Well SMS is one possible benefit. When you are laying on the couch surfing on your N7 and your phone is on the charger across the room... sucks to get up. I keep my phone stuff separate from my tablet stuff though, but I can see several cases where it would be useful.
Phone calls basically works with having a bluetooth headset and essentially using the tablet as a "remote" to answer/decline calls from your phone.
At least this is my understanding.
Regardless, this is still a great benefit for having paired an Android Phone/Tablet.

DaveInLA said:
What's the point of using N7 as a phone if you have to tether it to your existing phone?
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To willy wave next to Galaxy Note users

looks like I'm getting a NEXUS 7 32GB tomorrow...
is there any way to get full screen when using the browser instead of it always showing the address line and so.. ??
do any of you think it stupid to bye a 7" inch tablet when having NOTE 2 as a phone when its 5.5" inch ?

At this point, just get another Mini. Google is showing that they can't even be assed to support their own flagship devices, and continue shipping out updates with broken Bluetooth and WiFi. These are not the actions of a company who cares about their customers.

DaveInLA said:
What's the point of using N7 as a phone if you have to tether it to your existing phone?
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I don't know, I only use the app to text from as it's quicker than having to pick my phone up to reply to a text, and the bigger screen makers it easier to type than on the small keyboard of my Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc S.
Roland
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robyr said:
At this point, just get another Mini. Google is showing that they can't even be assed to support their own flagship devices, and continue shipping out updates with broken Bluetooth and WiFi. These are not the actions of a company who cares about their customers.
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They've said that they will be releasing a fix for 4.2 before December. That it's in 3days. They would be insane to not care about customers and to say get an iPad because the nexus update has a few problems that they are working on is not helpful really.

AngeleDei said:
They've said that they will be releasing a fix for 4.2 before December. That it's in 3days. They would be insane to not care about customers and to say get an iPad because the nexus update has a few problems that they are working on is not helpful really.
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They released 4.2.1 today, the update you are talking about, and it has fixed a whole bunch of NOTHING in regards to critical systems. Woohoo, I can set a birthday but I can't use my bluetooth devices, and if I try the screeching and popping and skipping make them worthless.
So excuse me, but I am a long time Nexus owner and Android enthusiast. The changes they have made to the BT stack were unwarranted and unneeded as of 4.1, so why did they do it? I would be out of a job if my change control process were this piss poor.

Return that crappy ipad mini and pocket that extra kroner on a nexus 7. One thing you might miss is the back camera which is useful for barcode scanning, pdf scanning and other apps like that (for actual photos, it's silly though)
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Interesting to hear the comments trashing 4.2 and Google in other threads and then you come to this thread and no one is having issues. I got my Nexus 7 on last Friday and have stayed at 4.1.2 based on the flaming 4.2 is getting.
Not sure what to believe.
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robyr said:
They released 4.2.1 today, the update you are talking about, and it has fixed a whole bunch of NOTHING in regards to critical systems. Woohoo, I can set a birthday but I can't use my bluetooth devices, and if I try the screeching and popping and skipping make them worthless.
So excuse me, but I am a long time Nexus owner and Android enthusiast. The changes they have made to the BT stack were unwarranted and unneeded as of 4.1, so why did they do it? I would be out of a job if my change control process were this piss poor.
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Someone posted the update fixed BT on their device... Just saying. Maybe flash it again but with a factory reset first?

Never owned a tablet

I currently have a galaxy S4 but I have been thinking about getting a tablet for some time now and the new nexus 7 seems to be the perfect choice. The only thing is that I don't know why I would need one. The only reasons I can think of getting one are: always getting android updates immediately, bigger screen, more fun to play games or watch videos. And apparently that is not enough to convince my wife why I need one. I was hoping to get some insight on what you use your tablet for and basically to convince me that it is worth getting. Btw I have never owned a tablet. Thanks

I use mine to read, browse the Internet and watch videos. I also really didn't need a tablet when I got the 1st Nexus. But I'm glad I did. I use it every day and I barley touch my laptop now.
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stayRooted said:
I currently have a galaxy S4 but I have been thinking about getting a tablet for some time now and the new nexus 7 seems to be the perfect choice. The only thing is that I don't know why I would need one. The only reasons I can think of getting one are: always getting android updates immediately, bigger screen, more fun to play games or watch videos. And apparently that is not enough to convince my wife why I need one. I was hoping to get some insight on what you use your tablet for and basically to convince me that it is worth getting. Btw I have never owned a tablet. Thanks
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More portable than a laptop. Lightweight. Great for watching movies on the go (ie: plane trips, hotel rooms, kids). I use mine to browse the web, shop, watch netflix, read xda forums, pretty much anything i used to do on my phone. Go TEXANS

What I'm using it for: forums, web browsing, watching YouTube videos, reading books, reading the news, listening to music, as a map.
I've only had it for a day now and it''s the college summer holidays, so I haven't needed it for much else, but when term restarts I'll also be using AnkiDroid flashcards to revise and Timetables to manage my lessons and homework. Will probably also use it for some of the homework itself, especially in Computing.

the honest answer is, there won't be anything additional the tablet could do over the S4. actually, the S4 has a lot more bells and whistles to it than the nexus 7.
the main need factor comes in is if you spend a lot of time on your phone, your neck and eyes probably hurt. a larger screen tablet will fix this.

Mine is great for work and remote desktop. It also helps ease your phones battery. My phone is just for texting, emails, calls, and WiFi hotspots. All my surfing, playing, watching, reading, etc is on my N7.
It is a nice companion but if you don't know what to use it for, it will eventually become a desk piece.
I like to use mine for Netflix. If my woman wants to watch a show, I can watch something else. My kid does this too when we watch a movie he isn't interested in.
Lots of uses, you just gotta use it.
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If you didn't have the new Nexus 7 you might wander outside. While wandering outside you might walk down to the cliffs by the beach. while standing on the edge of the cliffs at the beach a high flying duck might fall from the sky and hit you in the leg. When the duck hits you in the leg you might lose your balance and fall off the cliff into the ocean water below. While trying to stay afloat in the ocean a whale may be passing by and swallow you. Because you taste bad the whale might then spit you out of his blow hole where you might land on the beach in the middle of a pack of mating crabs which of course would rightly enrage the crabs who would then latch onto your nether regions. You could have been warm and dry snuggled up on the couch with your new Nexis 7 watching Kung Fu movies on You Tube.
Don't end up with with a raging case of crabs. Buy the new Nexus 7 and stay high and dry.

It's a great piece of ****ing hardware.
I have an imagination.
Win.
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I never owned a tablet neither prior to my purchase of the Nexus 7 2013. I'm glad I did. It feels like a premium to be reading books and browsing the web on a device which is just the ideal size for me.

I'm currently using a s4 and had a iPad mini. Decided to sell the mini because it didn't allow me to download certain files but only view them. And now that I got a otg cable and use it for my s4, it made the phone into a work horse. Now ordered a nexus 7 to fit my needs. Excited for the future of android.
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conan1600 said:
If you didn't have the new Nexus 7 you might wander outside. While wandering outside you might walk down to the cliffs by the beach. while standing on the edge of the cliffs at the beach a high flying duck might fall from the sky and hit you in the leg. When the duck hits you in the leg you might lose your balance and fall off the cliff into the ocean water below. While trying to stay afloat in the ocean a whale may be passing by and swallow you. Because you taste bad the whale might then spit you out of his blow hole where you might land on the beach in the middle of a pack of mating crabs which of course would rightly enrage the crabs who would then latch onto your nether regions. You could have been warm and dry snuggled up on the couch with your new Nexis 7 watching Kung Fu movies on You Tube.
Don't end up with with a raging case of crabs. Buy the new Nexus 7 and stay high and dry.
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Best reason ever!
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I tried a couple different out. First Asus transformer tf300t, was great but had ghost touch/ touch screen issues. So after reading so much about og nexus 7 I decided to try that was great but always missed the 10 inch screen, that's always been a plus about the tf300t besides it not being bad hardware other than the touch screen issues. After reading about the n7 2013 came out gave it a month to read some reviews but eventually decided to take the plunge and glad I did. Other than the minor issues been having since the last update which will more than likely be eventually be taken care of by Google or rooting otherwise I've never looked back. Don't even miss the 10 screen on the transformer. New n7 has been well worth it.

While at home, everything I used to do on my cell phone except talk on the phone and make this post, I do on my new N7
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I have a Nexus 7 (2013) to replace my OG 2012 N7 (which I passed down to my sister) and a Nexus 10 that my company bought as a Christmas gift.
I use the 7 for light browsing, reading books and news, YouTube and occasional Netflix.
I use the 10 for heavy browsing, Netflix, YouTube, reading magazines/comics and occasional games.
I find the 7 more comfortable for reading books, the 10 more comfortable for watching video.
My tablets are primarily media consumption devices, my phone is a communication/social device and my laptop is all work and PC gaming in my free time since it's a pretty well spec'd piece of kit. I've managed to find different uses for all of my devices so they all have their place.
Basically, when I'm home I use my 7 for things I'd normally use my phone for when I'm not home. Also, I use my 10 for things I use to use a laptop for (such as browsing). I've got a system going that insures all my devices serve a purpose.
You just need to figure out if you have a use for a tablet and if that use can justify the cost. I love my tablets, but only because I've figured out how to utilize them in a way that fits my needs.
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I was in the same situation, but ending up getting one for the family to use for general use as it's better to get out than a laptop and when guests come around they are able to use it too. But, for some reason I convinced myself just yesterday to click and collect the New Nexus 7 for myself from Currys/PC World, making an hours journey by bus so I could have it early in my hands, but the level of excitement dropped for me for some reason.
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This is the first tablet I've ever purchased, I bought it about two weeks ago. I also struggled to find out why I would need one. I mean my galaxy s 3 could browse, twitter, YouTube, and run games. Why buy a tablet?
Anyways, I gave in and I'm in love. A phone can do what a tablet can but the screen and size makes it such a great experience to use when you're at home. With the app tablet talk you could use the Nexus to receive phone calls and text messages and respond to them.
You could almost say it's like having an 18" and 65" TV. Yeah, the 18" can show the same thing as the 65", but the 65" will be a much better experience.
Plus this thing is very portable. I could see myself using it at school.
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I started with a Viewsonic G Tablet a few years ago. I liked the concept but it was just too damn big and I found myself using my laptop more than the tablet. I sold it and eventually bought a Coby Kyros. I liked the form factor better but hated the crappy resistive touch screen. I sold it and bought a first gen Kindle Fire. I liked it but it was a hassle to put a decent ROM on it and it felt limited even with Cyanogenmod installed. I sold it and bought the first gen Nexus 7. For the first time, I had a tablet I truly loved. I found myself using it every single day, and neglecting my laptop more and more. When the 2013 N7 was released, I jumped on it and passed my 2012 to my fiancée. The only things I've used my laptop for, in the past few weeks, were to root my tablet, download things for my tablet, and use bit torrent to download some episodes of a certain zombie show. I love this thing and really look at my phone as a secondary device for texting or doing the things I would normally do on my tablet when I don't have it with me.
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RKight said:
I started with a Viewsonic G Tablet a few years ago. I liked the concept but it was just too damn big and I found myself using my laptop more than the tablet. I sold it and eventually bought a Coby Kyros. I liked the form factor better but hated the crappy resistive touch screen. I sold it and bought a first gen Kindle Fire. I liked it but it was a hassle to put a decent ROM on it and it felt limited even with Cyanogenmod installed. I sold it and bought the first gen Nexus 7. For the first time, I had a tablet I truly loved. I found myself using it every single day, and neglecting my laptop more and more. When the 2013 N7 was released, I jumped on it and passed my 2012 to my fiancée. The only things I've used my laptop for, in the past few weeks, were to root my tablet, download things for my tablet, and use bit torrent to download some episodes of a certain zombie show. I love this thing and really look at my phone as a secondary device for texting or doing the things I would normally do on my tablet when I don't have it with me.
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Sucks about those crappy Tabs. The ViewSonic G wasn't really bad but the screen sucked and it was big. The Coby is absolutely a joke for anything other then a casual toilet companion.
The Fire was the same as the Nook for me. Really nice device but it just barely functioned on CM and was dodgy at best. My son used it for a while for just a few games and Netflix, which worked well.
Although I've dabbled with cheaper tabs, I've always personally owned iPads, Asus Transformers, N7's, etc. BIG difference between a $59 BigLot special and a $499 tablet. Although most people don't realize that.

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Sucks about those crappy Tabs. The ViewSonic G wasn't really bad but the screen sucked and it was big. The Coby is absolutely a joke for anything other then a casual toilet companion.
The Fire was the same as the Nook for me. Really nice device but it just barely functioned on CM and was dodgy at best. My son used it for a while for just a few games and Netflix, which worked well.
Although I've dabbled with cheaper tabs, I've always personally owned iPads, Asus Transformers, N7's, etc. BIG difference between a $59 BigLot special and a $499 tablet. Although most people don't realize that.
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Pretty much spot on. The G Tab was cool and all but it was really too early in the Android tablet game, for me, to get into anything like that. I remember when getting Honeycomb on it was only possible thanks to our devs here at XDA. The Coby would have been okay for a little while since I picked it up just as a cheap distraction to keep me from buying a more expensive tablet. I just couldn't get past the resistive touch screen. Once you get used to capacitive, it's pretty much impossible to go back. With the KF, I hated the lack of Bluetooth, camera, and integrated microphone. And, like you said, CM was iffy at times. The N7 is by far my favorite tablet. It's just the right size, has a beautiful screen, and performance is topnotch. I have no regrets at all. The crappy tabs really made me appreciate the N7s that much more.
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OP you're going about it all wrong. You are not buying it for you are buying for the wife. Tell her that and you will be the owner of a table tomorrow!
All kidding aside I was like you and just didn't get "the tablet thing." Then the Asus tf201 came and they started to make sense much like your thinking. I fell in love with dang thing and found at home I had pretty much stopped using my desktop machine. But there were times when the 10"er was just to big and heavy. When this little guy came out it seemed like a good time to update and have enjoyed since taking it out of the box.
Just a little side note. I few weeks back my friend picked up my tf201 and said "why don't I have one of these?" Needless to say he owns that tablet now.
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opinions about the Tegra Note 7

I am looking to get some cheap tablet for my daughter, something that I can use as well (not a cheap Chinese tablet). I had nexus 7 2012 which is now broken so looking for an alternative.
I am interested to get one but I see that it is not famous even the forum is almost empty. Can someone tell me why. I see the specs and price are excellent.
I want to hear opinions from owners of this tab before getting it. what do/don't you like about this tab? before either getting this or nexus 7 2013.
what I like about this over the nexus is the speakers and the styles, they will be useful for me and my daughter (to listen to songs and draw things). but the nexus has more RAM and better support. I don't care about the camera (I have Z1 SGS4 and pro camera) or the resolution as long as the quality of the screen is good, my old nexus 7 screen is good enough.
what do you guys think? get it, get the nexus or do you have any other suggestion?

My problem with 1G RAM is not with opening apps or multitasking. But I am worried that the support for this tab will be dropped very soon because it won't have enough RAM. Most Manufacturers dropped support for device with 0.5 RAM and some even dropped support for devices with 1G RAM. I know that 4.4 tried to solve this issue but I still think that 1 G RAM isn't much and Tegra won't support this tab for long and will drop support after 4.4. What make this problem even more serious is that there is no much support for this tab from the community itself and not many ROMs available that could support this tab if nevidia gone this way. Any opinions?

Well, i think you gotta ask yourself a few questions if you consider buying the TN7.
1. How important is the screen? It's just like all the tests say, the screen ist not SO good. It's ok, i think the resolution is enough, and i am happy with the colors - its not like everything is blue or something. But it is just "ok" and could be better. (for example in the N7'13) (this might be interesting if your daughter wants to read alot)
2. Do you need the stylus? This was the #1 reason for me to get a TN7, and i love it. Good for drawing and writing, but also just for everyday use. I never touch the screen with my finger =)
3. Does your daughter need skype or something? The front camera is VERY bad, and not usable for anything. (640x480 i think, just VGA)
4. The speakers are superawesome. Loud, clear and in generel very good, it's fun to watch videos and movies.
So, in my opinion you should go for the TN7. Guess custom rom support and stuff is not important for your daughter, and for entertainment, drawing and stuff it's very good.
ps: the resolution is more then enough to read, the kindle 4 for exampe just got 800xsomething. but 1080 is better of course

ahomad said:
I am looking to get some cheap tablet for my daughter, something that I can use as well (not a cheap Chinese tablet). I had nexus 7 2012 which is now broken so looking for an alternative.
I am interested to get one but I see that it is not famous even the forum is almost empty. Can someone tell me why. I see the specs and price are excellent.
I want to hear opinions from owners of this tab before getting it. what do/don't you like about this tab? before either getting this or nexus 7 2013.
what I like about this over the nexus is the speakers and the styles, they will be useful for me and my daughter (to listen to songs and draw things). but the nexus has more RAM and better support. I don't care about the camera (I have Z1 SGS4 and pro camera) or the resolution as long as the quality of the screen is good, my old nexus 7 screen is good enough.
what do you guys think? get it, get the nexus or do you have any other suggestion?
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I don't own one (yet) but if you're looking for a reason to get this over the Nexus 7... aside from the far superior processor (perhaps you won't notice if you don't play games) the HDMI Out is a good one. The Tegra Note's screen lower screen resolution won't make a difference when you're viewing on a HD TV.
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My problem with 1G RAM is not with opening apps or multitasking. But I am worried that the support for this tab will be dropped very soon because it won't have enough RAM. Most Manufacturers dropped support for device with 0.5 RAM and some even dropped support for devices with 1G RAM. I know that 4.4 tried to solve this issue but I still think that 1 G RAM isn't much and Tegra won't support this tab for long and will drop support after 4.4. What make this problem even more serious is that there is no much support for this tab from the community itself and not many ROMs available that could support this tab if nevidia gone this way. Any opinions?
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The underlying software (I'm told by youtube videos) is about identical to the one the Shield uses (the Nvidia Marketplace looks different). These same videos sounded confident that the updates would come along with the Shield updates. Even though it's only 1 GB, the processor is top of the line (for any price range). So I really hope Nvidia doesn't burn us.

I have the tegra note 7 (x3), nexus 7 2013, Nexus7 2012 (×2 but sold one and may sell the other one).
Been using the tegra note 7 mostly since I got it a while back in Dec 13. Reasonably happy with purchase enough to sell one of my nexus 7 2012 and may sell the other too.
Screen is about the same as nexus 7 2012. Speakers are great much better than nexus 7 2012 and Nexus7 2013 or my note 3 or s4. Back camera is Ok, hdr Mode is cool. Front camera is **** and Can't believe Nvidia even dreamt of putting such a lousy one. Haven't skyped with it but expect it to be lousy after brief testing the camera. Low light performance is obviously poor from both front and back cameras.
Pen is good and accurate and faster response than my note 1 phone or note 3. But pen apps are not as much as for note series.
Have two slide covers. Might be getting the extra Pens set from Newegg. Got the slide covers from pc world / currys UK like the tablet (£89.99 then using a code) . Plus usual other android accessories.
Hdmi micro output is useful. But all ports including hdmi usb have too much jiggling about of cable even after it is in so if device is not lying still then will lose connection. Pet adapter cable is SHORT.
Miracast Wireless screen mirroring works great. You can see my YouTube video from a month ago if interested in my tag line below. Will try to upload some more tegra note 7 videos this Weekend if I get the time.
1gb ram has been Ok in my experience surprisingly. Should get better with Kitkat.
Some gameloft games Eg newer haves work only with controllers and not even due to gameloft coding issue and older gameloft games work fine. Game controllers work fine.
Screen not an issue For browsing, movies, games, satnav.
Satnav works great with several mapping applications. Satellite lock faster with Google navigation than others irritatingly but once locked no issues later. Works great for hours of driving.
Will update more in my video review after using all these tablets for a while now (if I get the time this weekend). Thought of doing a quick review earlier but decided to use it for a while before making one. Been using mine for more than a month now.

bubblesmoney said:
I have the tegra note 7 (x3), nexus 7 2013, Nexus7 2012 (×2 but sold one and may sell the other one).
Been using the tegra note 7 mostly since I got it a while back in Dec 13. Reasonably happy with purchase enough to sell one of my nexus 7 2012 and may sell the other too.
Screen is about the same as nexus 7 2012. Speakers are great much better than nexus 7 2012 and Nexus7 2013 or my note 3 or s4. Back camera is Ok, hdr Mode is cool. Front camera is **** and Can't believe Nvidia even dreamt of putting such a lousy one. Haven't skyped with it but expect it to be lousy after brief testing the camera. Low light performance is obviously poor from both front and back cameras.
Pen is good and accurate and faster response than my note 1 phone or note 3. But pen apps are not as much as for note series.
Have two slide covers. Might be getting the extra Pens set from Newegg. Got the slide covers from pc world / currys UK like the tablet (£89.99 then using a code) . Plus usual other android accessories.
Hdmi micro output is useful. But all ports including hdmi usb have too much jiggling about of cable even after it is in so if device is not lying still then will lose connection. Pet adapter cable is SHORT.
Miracast Wireless screen mirroring works great. You can see my YouTube video from a month ago if interested in my tag line below. Will try to upload some more tegra note 7 videos this Weekend if I get the time.
1gb ram has been Ok in my experience surprisingly. Should get better with Kitkat.
Some gameloft games Eg newer haves work only with controllers and not even due to gameloft coding issue and older gameloft games work fine. Game controllers work fine.
Screen not an issue For browsing, movies, games, satnav.
Satnav works great with several mapping applications. Satellite lock faster with Google navigation than others irritatingly but once locked no issues later. Works great for hours of driving.
Will update more in my video review after using all these tablets for a while now (if I get the time this weekend). Thought of doing a quick review earlier but decided to use it for a while before making one. Been using mine for more than a month now.
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Thanks for the detailed answer.
I just have one question since you have both the note 7 and nexus 7 (2012). Can you tell me whats better in the note 7 and whats better in the nexus 2012 as I had nexus 7 2012 and was a great device, I just want quick comparison in few lines if you don't mind.
Thanks in advance.

Better in the N7'12:
#1 colors might be bit better
#2 community, rom support
#3 updates
#4 accessoire availability
better in tn7:
#1 performance is way better
#2 stylus ofc =)
#3 usbotg works with for example usbsticks or 360 controller (both tested), not sure about the n7 there
for me its defenitly the tn7. stylus is just awesome

So I have the tegra note 7 and I've owned other devices like both of the n7s, 10 inch tablets like transformers and galaxy note tabs.
This tablet is THE FASTEST tablet I have ever used.
Tegra Note 7 Pros
-MicroSD card slot
-Front Facing Speakers
-Stock android with a few OEM applications that are actually useful
-Pen Input
-One of the fastest SoCs out there, probably the most featured.
-instant HDR photos
-USB Digital to Analog Converters work out of the box, USB audio sounds good too.
-dedicated HDMI/miracast support
-The best value around at $199
Cons
-Front facing camera is very low resolution, like 640x480. I don't video chat much and even when I do I don't really care about these things, I'd actually prefer not to be in ULTRA HD while I've been lounging around the house unshaven. But still, 640x480 is quite low for a newer device, even if it is $199.
-Short USB cable. I really hate when OEMs get stingy over an extra 2-3 feet of cable.
-IPS displays illuminate blacks and sometimes have bad 'backlight bleeding' on the sides. I would have paid an extra hundred dollars for a display with better color balance than what IPS offers. The screen gets bright, and has good viewing angles/color balance for an IPS display, but at the end of the day it's still IPS. It fits the price of the tablet.
What can be seen as cons:
1280x800 resolution
I do not feel 220ppi is bad in any way shape or form. I can not see pixels even when I move it about 5 inches away from my face. The resolution works great on 7 inch tablets and reduces the strain on the GPU. This translates into higher FPS and a lighter GPU load, leaving a lot of computational power for the tablet to tap into when needed.
1 GB RAM
While I would prefer 2GB, I have grown used to 1GB. Here's a big misconception people make "More RAM is better". More RAM means more power draw, having high amounts of RAM can drop battery life. The way android handles RAM is to kill old processes when more memory is needed, this has worked for years with lower amounts of RAM because it means your most recent processes will always run at a higher priority.
The drawback to this, is that with resource-intensive applications open like games, you can lose old processes from days ago from memory. But I would argue that this is a good memory management scheme because it gets rid of apps you leave open for ages and forget to close, and gives more memory to your game so it doesn't lag. Now with more memory that old application would be around longer, sitting in memory, eating up energy until you close it, run out of memory, or open it again.
At the same time, some newer devices NEED more RAM. This is due to having a high resolution, on a 720p screen your UI elements may be 64x64, well on higher resolutions it goes up to 72x72, 96x96, 128x128, etc. This means that higher resolutions have higher memory requirements because their resources are larger. With a tablet like the tegra note 7, 1GB is okay for 720p resources. With a tablet like the 2013 nexus 7, it is not.
Other Thoughts
I am left handed and really love that Nvidia didn't forget about us lefties. The draw app included with the tablet has leftie optimization. I also love the placement of all the connectors, they are all on one side of the tablet. The settings app has a CPU menu where you can change from quad core mode to dual core mode and I liked that. I would have preferred to have the front facing camera in a closer location to the rear camera, so it doesn't get covered in landscape as easily.
But really, for $200?! It beats everything on the market right now, including the 2013 nexus 7. For any tablet that has a feature that edges out on the Tegra Note 7, the tegra note 7 has about 4-5 tricks the other tablets don't. I cannot complain at all for what I paid, this device will be fast for years to come once the AOSP builds come.

ahomad said:
Thanks for the detailed answer.
I just have one question since you have both the note 7 and nexus 7 (2012). Can you tell me whats better in the note 7 and whats better in the nexus 2012 as I had nexus 7 2012 and was a great device, I just want quick comparison in few lines if you don't mind.
Thanks in advance.
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Looks like others have covered many points I agree with already.
Basically almost everything is better on the tegra note 7 than nexus 7 2012. Screen is debatable though.
Tegra note 7 is better ..... cpu, gpu, speakers, sd slot, pen, miracast, hdmi, back camera, Slide cover accessory.
Nexus 7 2012 is better. ... Faster software updates better grip while holding in one hand, front facing camera is better quality, battery life better than tegra note 7, can get 32gb internal storage unlike the tegra note 7, more accessories available.
Some other things.... Nexus 7 2012 although does not have miracast but can cast some apps to miracast receivers. Nexus7 2012 too has usb OTG support when used with nexus media importer app. The loud speakers on the tegra note 7 make it better as a sat nav in my experience.
Some things I don't like. ....
On the tegra note 7. .... random screen switches on. Ports have too much looseness Eg need to keep usb cable still add If you move Tablet then easily gets dislodged. Sane problem with hdmi. Both ports too close together and some cables might not fit together but other cables will fit.
On the Nexus7 2012. .. starts lagging like hell when full unlike the tegra note 7.
This is as short as I can get it.
If your want shorter then. ... Just buy the tegra note 7
Can't wait to ditch samsung note 3 to get a full specked tegra note phone if and when launched with premium features.
Great buy for £89.99 at Curry's using code but code expired now.

Everyone in here needs to realize something, there has to be a profit margin in ANY device sold. How much do you think it cost for just the bare Tegra 4 chip? I would guess $75-$100 OEM for just the chip itself and then you have roughly $99 more to build EVERYTHING else. I honestly only have 2 complaints with the TN7, 1GB of RAM and the Screen. For the cost though, I can't really say they are complaints, more just something I could point at as a short fall if asked to name some. Everything else is awesome, from sound to Tegra 4 speed.

Thanks everyone for your nice and informative answers, (there is a community for the TN7
I ordered mine and should be receiving it tomorrow. I noticed that the main issue is with both cameras which isn't important for me. What worries me is that most people aren't very happy with the screen but I guess I will have to wait and see myself. I am happy to see that the speaker and the styles are of very good quality.
I got mine from PCWORLD for 129.99£ I wish I knew about the 89.99 offer, I would have got two , anyway it is still a bargain.

I got my first Tegra Note from Aliexpress as soon as they were released, a Chinese Homecare model, the same company that manufactures all the version I hear. The problem was the tablet I got seemed to be poorly made. On day 0 I couldn't get the usb cable in. I realised most of my sockets were unaligned to the plastic case. Then there was missing Google Apps and the GPS didn't work so I needed to root and go into repair mode. After bending the USB connector up a little I could power and start work at making this tablet usable. Well within a few days I had a software bricked unit and the repair mechanisms like recovery and bootloader partitions were so limited on this model that I couldn't remedy. The moral to the story is buy local if you can.
I now have an EVGA Tegra Note and it's far better experience. The manufacturing is better and everything works bar the GPS which may come down to the satellite table being narrow.
Buyers should consider that Nvidia's Tegra Tablets are a new series using one of the fastest CPU cores around so if you want to be apart of this new cruise get onboard. It's only going to get better.

gps is non functional on this tablet, takes over half an hour to aquire a lock and looses it in 30 seconds.

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gps is non functional on this tablet, takes over half an hour to aquire a lock and looses it in 30 seconds.
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Gps works fine on mine but slightly slower with new updates. Lock was faster before. Lock is faster with Google Navigation than other apps. Mine work fine in the UK for online and off line navigation using various sat nav apps for hours of driving to unfamiliar cities. Once locked have never lost a signal since I bought in December. I have compared it with Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and nexus 7 2013 and For long journeys now mainly use tegra note 7 due to Good speakers. For short journeys I use my note 3.
Lock time is Ok with updates but was faster before. Only on 3 occasions lock took a while but rebooting device sorted it out.
Battery life is better with nexus 7 2013 and 2012 during navigation though than the tegra note 7.

Ok, I bought the Tegra and have had time to play around with it.
The USB cable it comes with fits loosely into the port. Other cables I've tried fit much better however.
The casing makes noise when I'm holding it. If my thumb is on one of the front facing speakers, iI can feel it compress slightly and its accompanied by a clicking sound. As I walk my fingers around the edge of the tablet and press down gently, I hear a slight clicking. I worry that the screen is going to come out of the plastic shell. And for this reason, I will not root this device until the warranty has expired. I should probably review the warranty sooner rather than later because I'm not sure of the details.
Overall I'm very happy with the purchase and performance of tthis tablet but I will update this post if needed.

Freeze!
I recently bought this tablet but was disappointed to find out that it froze quite often and had to be rebooted after every 15-20 minutes. The problem continues to persist even after upgrading to Android 4.3. Please help!

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I recently bought this tablet but was disappointed to find out that it froze quite often and had to be rebooted after every 15-20 minutes. The problem continues to persist even after upgrading to Android 4.3. Please help!
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Freezing is an issue if apps are moved to sd card improperly. This causes freezing and reboot loops and low battery in my samsung devices. Have you moved apps to sd card. If so then remove sd card and see if problems resolved. If it is Ok without sd card then start deleting the apps one by one when in your tablet. If it crashes too often the insert the card into your laptop and delete the hidden Android folder which should sort the problem if it was due to improper moving of app to sd card

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Freezing is an issue if apps are moved to sd card improperly. This causes freezing and reboot loops and low battery in my samsung devices. Have you moved apps to sd card. If so then remove sd card and see if problems resolved. If it is Ok without sd card then start deleting the apps one by one when in your tablet. If it crashes too often the insert the card into your laptop and delete the hidden Android folder which should sort the problem if it was due to improper moving of app to sd card
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Thanks for the speedy reply. But I haven't even yet installed an sd card.. All I have done is install apps from playstore to the tablet's inbuilt memory.
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Arpit_Gupta said:
Thanks for the speedy reply. But I haven't even yet installed an sd card.. All I have done is install apps from playstore to the tablet's inbuilt memory.
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Have you tried a factory reset. Did it sort the problem out. After factory reset install apps one by one and wait 15 to 20 mins to see if any of the apps wad causing the issue. Can't think of anything else to suggest. If problem continues then I would get an exchange or refund if I were you.

bubblesmoney said:
Have you tried a factory reset. Did it sort the problem out. After factory reset install apps one by one and wait 15 to 20 mins to see if any of the apps wad causing the issue. Can't think of anything else to suggest. If problem continues then I would get an exchange or refund if I were you.
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By any chance, could there be some problem with the hardware which is causing such freezes?
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Arpit_Gupta said:
By any chance, could there be some problem with the hardware which is causing such freezes?
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I have tried resetting the tablet too by the way.
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Nexus 9 Alternatives - Your Opinion Matters!

Hi everyone.
I'm very excited for getting a Nexus 9 this year, at this could be my first 4:3 Android device, and I'm generallyinterested in how this device would get incorporated into my everyday life.
However I'm kinda in a struggle to justify the 550$ for the 32GB LTE version (well, that's probably a common thing now) AND considering I'm planning to get the LTE version - I'm kinda worried that this model may not be the quickest one to receive the updates, as is seen with the N7 LTE, which by the way STILL hasn't gotten a 5.0 official ROM, and there's already 5.0.1 out, plus the fact that T-Mobile announced today that it's getting delayed, so basically I might not even be lucky enough to get one before Christmas (as I live outside the US).
All of this has me thinking - are there really good alternatives to Nexus 9 today?
I know there are great tablets such as Tab Pro 10.1 and Tab Pro 12.2, as well as Xperia Tablet Z2 and I think Asus has one or two good 10-inchers out there - all of the listed have failry great specs, have KitKat on board, and pack LTE inside them.
But the Nexus has me in because of the pure AOSP I'n getting with it, along with guaranteed 2 years of updates ahead
So, if you can give - please give me a list of 9-10" tablets that apply to the following requirements:
- Priced about the same as N9 LTE
- Have a 32GB or an SD-card expansion option
- Have the latest version of Android
- Have LTE support
- Have a moderately good development community, at least so the device would have an AOSP build available (such as CyanogenMod, for example)
Thanks in advance!

You have basically described the nvidia Shield except for the screen being 8 inches instead of 9.
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Nvidia shield tablet is perfect
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I forgot to mention that I am currently rocking Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 LTE, and I am looking for a replacement of both of these tablets with one device, that's why I also looked at Nexus 9, and ideally the device should have a big display
Shield Tablet just doesn't cut it for me as the screen is too small + it's not really convenient for productivity usage such as Evernote

Fatal1ty_93_RUS said:
I forgot to mention that I am currently rocking Nexus 10 and Nexus 7 LTE, and I am looking for a replacement of both of these tablets with one device, that's why I also looked at Nexus 9, and ideally the device should have a big display
Shield Tablet just doesn't cut it for me as the screen is too small + it's not really convenient for productivity usage such as Evernote
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If big display is primary concern get the Nexus 9, but make sure you get it from somewhere you can get a replacement easily.

Do note that WiFi version already have unimpressive battery life, wonder how much poorer LTE version will be.

I'd consider an iPad Mini Retina, they're cheap right now, or an iPad Air.

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You have basically described the nvidia Shield except for the screen being 8 inches instead of 9.
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The shield community still seems a bit early/immature. Not really much development going on.

LG G Tab 8.3 Google Play Edition

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LG G Tab 8.3 Google Play Edition
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How well did the SD 600 behave its a bit old SoC!!im also looking for a tablet....im pretty consern about the battery life..as a nexus user i don't want to look over and over again about my battery stats..

The SD 600 seems to play very nicely with CM12. I actually bought the locked (but hackable) v500 model and the Google Play Edition is the v510. Both models are good, but the v500 might have a little more international support.

http://www.androidauthority.com/rumor-htc-release-new-tablet-based-nexus-9-573555/
Here's an interesting future option.
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Imho, there isn't another tablet that will rival the n9 when all things are considered. I didn't want to cough up the money as I honestly feel that the n9 is overpriced because of its limited storage, mind you I have the 32gb version. 32gb is really low for a media consumption device so 16gb is simply unacceptable and should be done away with all together. I value my timely updates and I know Google will push out updates for at least the next 2 years, how much is that worth to you? There are only 2 companies I trust with updates, Apple and Google.
Fwiw, I was leaning towards an iPad mini 2 32gb as it cost much less and is a well built product but I don't like how constrictive iOS is, weird because I've loved every Mac I've owned. Apples to oranges I suppose, no pun intended.
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Would about the Galaxy Tab S ?

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Would about the Galaxy Tab S ?
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Slow SoC and capacitive buttons are activated accidentally. Battery life is pretty low for everything except watching videos. Nice screen though.

Great
Great Info. Thanks

Go with a N9 WiFi-only
My 2 cents: what I've always done is have a WiFi-only tablet, because it's cheaper, and use tethering on my phone whenever I need to connect that tablet to the internet while on the move. Another advantage is that with a WiFi only tablet, your battery life will be much larger (granted, the fact you have to keep your phone in tethering mode drains a bit of battery on the phone, but it's tolerable). Right now I have a Nexus 7 WiFi only and a Nexus 5 LTE, and soon I'm thinking about upgrading to a Nexus 9 WiFi only. That way it won't be terribly expensive (the N9 WiFi 32GB is $479). Oh, and an extra advantage of a WiFi-only tablet: there is no carrier to control if you get or don't get Android system updates

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Slow SoC and capacitive buttons are activated accidentally. Battery life is pretty low for everything except watching videos. Nice screen though.
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Nexus capacitive buttons are activated more easily, especially when they're a millimeter or two away from the Plex console buttons.
Also, when lollipop lags they go down with the ship.
Also, they take extra effort to retrieve when in full screen mode.
Also, they always cut into screen real estate (e.g. Hangouts now has 4 total toolbars on its main window, counting buttons, notification shade, tabs, and user slide out menu and call tab shortcut). This isn't a huge deal in portrait mode but it can certainly become one in landscape. When you're trying to play a game or... See first point.
I think the best competitor is the iPad Mini.
They're both running allegedly laggy 64 bit dual core processors. Either way, seems about even.
They're both touted as top of the line by their respective ecosystem owning companies.
They have identical aspect ratios and screen resolutions.
They both underwent a significant visual overhaul.
The iPad will actually net you 64gb for $500, where Google makes only a 32gb version of the Nexus 9 for a relatively outrageous $480.
Apple has famous customer service and kiosks. Google might call you if they feel like it.
iOS has App Ops built in. It lets you control your privacy with things like location. Android has Google Play Services. It never stops checking your location.
Both let you turn off background data.
Both support external storage if it's inconveniently attached with a cable or something.
Both support third party keyboards.
Both have silly slider-button combination quick toggles. Android's has more options and iOS' only needs a single swipe with a single finger to appear.
Both have an app switching screen that now shows you very few apps* unless you start sliding around.
Neither let you access your apps' Settings pages from the notification bar* .
* these features were removed in Lollipop to make comparisons to iOS devices more fitting.

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Nexus capacitive buttons are activated more easily, especially when they're a millimeter or two away from the Plex console buttons.
Also, when lollipop lags they go down with the ship.
Also, they take extra effort to retrieve when in full screen mode.
Also, they always cut into screen real estate (e.g. Hangouts now has 4 total toolbars on its main window, counting buttons, notification shade, tabs, and user slide out menu and call tab shortcut). This isn't a huge deal in portrait mode but it can certainly become one in landscape. When you're trying to play a game or... See first point.
I think the best competitor is the iPad Mini.
They're both running allegedly laggy 64 bit dual core processors. Either way, seems about even.
They're both touted as top of the line by their respective ecosystem owning companies.
They have identical aspect ratios and screen resolutions.
They both underwent a significant visual overhaul.
The iPad will actually net you 64gb for $500, where Google makes only a 32gb version of the Nexus 9 for a relatively outrageous $480.
Apple has famous customer service and kiosks. Google might call you if they feel like it.
iOS has App Ops built in. It lets you control your privacy with things like location. Android has Google Play Services. It never stops checking your location.
Both let you turn off background data.
Both support external storage if it's inconveniently attached with a cable or something.
Both support third party keyboards.
Both have silly slider-button combination quick toggles. Android's has more options and iOS' only needs a single swipe with a single finger to appear.
Both have an app switching screen that now shows you very few apps* unless you start sliding around.
Neither let you access your apps' Settings pages from the notification bar* .
* these features were removed in Lollipop to make comparisons to iOS devices more fitting.
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One requires you to be locked to the ball and chain called iTunes. I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye then be choked to death by iTunes.
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One requires you to be locked to the ball and chain called iTunes. I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye then be choked to death by iTunes.
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Most of the Nexus is also locked down out of the box. I've found myself tethered to the Google Play Services app in ways that can only be described as unhealthy, even as yesterday that app needed a complete deletion to stop searching for my location via GPS. and
And I'm not a huge Google's fan to begin with. It'd be an interesting experiment to test ecosystem reliance.
As for $20 limited movie licenses on both ecosystems, I'm thrilled about neither, but in my experience each company is trying somewhat desperately to imitate the other despite still being very different. That alone I think makes looking at the iPad worth a moment.

[Q] Is Tab 4 10" still a good choice today?

My kids might be getting it for Christmas from relatives.
Not sure yet if I should accept it or request anything else?
I don't see Tab 4 here http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices#vendor="Samsung";type="tablet"; So it's officially not supported?
Is it a good 10 inch choice as an all rounder at home? (light games, minecraft, youtube, growtopia, forums, browsing, music etc.)
Thanks!

b,
hi, this tab [sm-t530nu, wifi only] is pretty good at the right price.
i would say if you can get one under 260 dollars u.s. then it's a fair deal.
wifi receptivity does seem a little weak.
Development for it is active.
And i have beaten the hell out of this thing in the short time i've had it
doing development,testing and it's held up just fine.
you have on stock rom about 600 -800 mb ram available.
debloated stock about 700 1000 mb ram available depending on what stays/goes
and on sub77's slimkat rom about 900 -1200 mb ram available depending on your setup.
cf autoroot for this tab is go.
otg is go
with abuse your battery life is about a day with power saving enabled to include for wifi.
and unlike the tab 3 10.1 the screen doesn't lose sensitivity when the usb cable is plugged in.
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Thanks!!!!

tab 4 series are very good! i highly suppose you to get one!

We already have it. Perfect low price device. The only thing which concerns me much is screen resolution.
Everything else is just perfect. All games are running. I switched immediately to Nova launcher and moonshine icons (my favorite) and tablet got a nice gui.

ITS TOO LATE TO SAY THIS BUT No
You should get them a nexus or nvidia tablet
The Samsung tab 4 isn't made for games its pretty weak
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The games my kids are playing are not hardware demanding apps.
Popular casual games run just fine.
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Ah I see I just thought your kids were going to play ex(nova,modern combat) that's why I had to say something.
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