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What would be the difference between these 2 methods of rooting for XPERIA Arc?
I know Gingerbreak is much easier to do than the other one. But, is there any limitations to what Gingerbreak can do compared with the other method ?
Since bootloader is still in locked state, that means those who did it with Gingerbreak still have their warranty valid, right? What about the installation of future custom ROM ? Would the devices rooted with Gingerbreak have no chance to install custom ROM because the bootloader is locked ?
Sorry, I'm pretty much confused atm about rooting the Arc.
My understanding is unlocking the bootloader does not give you root. Even those with unlocked bootloaders must root using either ginger break or the other method.
Having the bootloader unlocked will allow for installing custom roms though, when recovery is sorted. Those of us with locked bootloaders will have to hope for a workaround at a later date.
As for warranties...who knows on this one. SE have allowed the unlocking of bootloaders saying it "may" void warranty. Theres nothing to say rooting will void it. Personally I think the only way you will void it is if you brick it whilst fiddling with it. I think any hardware issues will be sorted regardless. (but thats my opinion, dont take it as gospel)
Rooting is rooting, it doesn't really matter what the mechanics of it are, if it's successful then the outcome is the same.
As for the two methods, yes, GingerBreak seems to be the simplest so for most people there's really no reason not to do that. If it fails and you have a handset you can unlock the bootloader on, then you can always do it the other way if need be.
When it comes to custom ROMs, there's a good chance that having an unlocked bootloader will be a requirement, to begin with at least.
It's possible that someone will find a way to offer custom ROMs for locked bootloaders but it's just more work.
if the buutloader remains unlocked your phone can ALWAYS be repaired through seus, the bootloader needs to be unlocked for the phone to be bricked . also flashing of custom roms may not require the bootloader to be unlocked - as is the case with the x10. as far as i know though the bootloader needs to be unlocked to flash new kernals but there is a workaround that for the time being with the ability to flash the various basebands. my bootloader will remain locked for the timebeing - its a sure failsafe if anything goes wrong
Thanks for the replies everyone.
I had this concept of "If you don't root your phone, you can't install custom ROM" and "If your bootloader is locked, you can't install custom ROM" before I found this Gingerbreak rooting method. (i.e. boot loader unlock -> can root -> can install custom ROM)
But just before it was conflicting because with Gingerbreak root your phone, but it seemed to me that you can't install custom ROM because the bootloader is locked. However they said "If you root your phone you can install custom ROM".
So for this time being, taking out the question whether custom ROM (which no one yet to make it for Arc) can be installed, I think it's safe to say : "Gingerbreak rooting with busybox installed gives you the same capabilities to bootloader unlocking + fastboot flashing", right?
more or less......
x10 was never unlocked bootloader，how many custom ROM out there？
cheers
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ArcOnFire said:
"Gingerbreak rooting with busybox installed gives you the same capabilities to bootloader unlocking + fastboot flashing", right?
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Not exactly. You can't flash custom .imgs via fastboot if you don't unlock the bootloader.
And I don't understand why people think that phone can be totally bricked if you unlock the bootloader...
sorry to say that，unlock bootloader seems waste of wait of time，if gingerbreak works
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Not exactly. You can't flash custom .imgs via fastboot if you don't unlock the bootloader.
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Well... yes, I already thrown that factor out when I asked my question.
But looking at the history, is there any case a custom ROM can be installed on a phone with bootloader still in locked state?
This is AFAIK
SE uses locked bootloaders for three reasons
1- A secure place to put DRM certificates.
2- A secure place to SIM lock the phone
3- A secure way to forbid modifying the software, as the bootloader will require a signed software in order for it to boot it ( If I'm not mistaken this is the problem with X10 unlockable bootloader as it's just hard to sign an image, correct me if I'm wrong ). the signed software thing is meant to be for not bringing bad software that may damage the phone
After SE saw that a lot of peoples want to install custom ROM's into their phones without too much hassle and a lot of them understand the risks of this so they decided to make it possible to unlock the bootloader but they want it to be the right way...
1- First the DRM certificates will be deleted as installing custom ROM's with exposed DRM certificates can bring serious legal problems to SE ( as this will mean the ability to save a digital unprotected copy of a DRM protected media )
2- SIM locked phones are excluded from this bootloader unlocking as this can make it easy to unlock the SIM lock so this will put SE in a bad position between operators..
3- As the main reason for unlocking the bootloader is installing custom ROM's and this is what the community want's SE made a bold statement here that doing so will violate the warranty as SE can't guarantee what a custom ROM may do to the phone...
but x10 has recovery
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The Arc isn't the X10.
Boring. This is a first time i use SE phone. I think this is also a last time. I will come back with HTC. There are no custom and no one with cook custom rom for SE device already
justbenice said:
Boring. This is a first time i use SE phone. I think this is also a last time. I will come back with HTC. There are no custom and no one with cook custom rom for SE device already
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How many time passed from exit of ARC???
justbenice said:
Boring. This is a first time i use SE phone. I think this is also a last time. I will come back with HTC. There are no custom and no one with cook custom rom for SE device already
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sorry ... I have from only 3 weeks the Arc and already have bootloader unlocked and Root ...
I think you're just a little patience
From what I gather, they can't refuse a warantee repair if it is a hardware fault, not caused by the unlocked software (as it is a problem with their manufacturing, and therefore their fault), but if you mess your phone up with something due to the unlocked bootloader they can (for example, you overheat your CPU with an overclock or something).
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From what I gather, they can't refuse a warantee repair if it is a hardware fault, not caused by the unlocked software (as it is a problem with their manufacturing, and therefore their fault), but if you mess your phone up with something due to the unlocked bootloader they can (for example, you overheat your CPU with an overclock or something).
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That's what I heard too. As long as you didn't mess with you phone in some way, they can't prove that the hardware fault came from the modified software and should therefore repair your phone nonetheless. I guess that's why they say that unlocking the bootloader MAY void one's warranty.
have rooted thro' gingerbreak - but am am getting frequent random reboots. while calling or recieving. can anyone help me with this.
Guys,
We've seen several people have flashed system.img's and OTA's and ended up in a bootloop.. Not the end of the world really, BUT for some reason, before you can unlock your bootloader using fastboot, you must enable OEM unlock in Developer options in Android settings - which you cannot do if you are bootlooping.
If you still have a custom recovery, you'll be fine but if you're 100%, locked bootloader and bootlooping, we haven't found a fix yet so please do not lock your bootloader.
If you feel you absolutely must relock your bootloader (at your own risk) please boot the phone up to check it works properly before doing this. If you intend flashing roms and kernels or custom recoveries, locking the bootloader is not a good idea
Please also see the below link provided by @efrant
https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6172890?hl=en
This goes into more detail about how google have enhanced device security with 5.1 and some other pitfalls that you may wish to avoid. This is pretty salient information, so do give it a read.
Good advice, i would add to that NEVER LOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER. ???
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ChristianJay said:
Good advice, i would add to that NEVER LOCK YOUR BOOTLOADER.
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And I would add that I completely disagree with this statement. Coming from an infosec standpoint, I keep my bootloader locked, and just suffer the reset when I need to tweak. If you don't, anyone - not just you - can replace your system partition or boot a random IMG which could inject functionality. This may not be the most common mechanism for attack as it requires physical access, but it basically obviates the encryption with a deepfreeze style boot IMG.
Additionally, when you think about this in context of the border crossing exemptions many countries, including the US, have to protections against unwarranted search, I would recommend that anyone with proprietary or sensitive business data who crosses international borders keeps their bootloader locked when not modifying the system. Also, until custom recoveries include security features, I recommend using stock.
Why are we making our phones so insecure just to have root? Not cool.
So just to be clear the correct procedure would be to boot the device after updating enable the setting and then go and lock your bootloader? Or just keep it unlocked overall.
Personally I keep mine unlocked but for those wanting to take full advantage of androids new device protection a locked bootloader would serve a purpose. Preventing someone from just flashing a custom rom and keeping your device.
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I thought I really #$# up
Thank you for posting this...when 5.1 was dropping, I attempted to return to stock...all the way.to be able to take Verizon's OTA...when i locked the boot loader, i was stuck in a boot loop with the android guy and the gear box spinning FOREVER.....its is not easy to get out of the loop, but i managed to boot back up into boot loader mode, and force a stock image using toolkit.
I am now unlocked, running 5.1 on Verizon, have full LTE/VOLTE, can speak and surf at same time...i have not rooted yet...but just glad it was not me....had a heart attack two nights ago...
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Thank you for posting this...when 5.1 was dropping, I attempted to return to stock...all the way.to be able to take Verizon's OTA...when i locked the boot loader, i was stuck in a boot loop with the android guy and the gear box spinning FOREVER.....its is not easy to get out of the loop, but i managed to boot back up into boot loader mode, and force a stock image using toolkit.
I am now unlocked, running 5.1 on Verizon, have full LTE/VOLTE, can speak and surf at same time...i have not rooted yet...but just glad it was not me....had a heart attack two nights ago...
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im so new to this but im rooted with an unlocked bootloader but im running full stock android. i only rooted just so i can chance the provision to get free tethering with my unlimited data. i have the wugfresh nexus tool kit and cant for the life of me figure out how to upgrade my nexus 6 to 5.1. Is there in anyone that can get me a step by step on how to update so i can take advantage of hd calling and silmutaneous voice and data... ive been waiting tooooooooooo long for this update..
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Guys,
We've seen several people have flashed system.img's and OTA's and ended up in a bootloop.. Not the end of the world really, BUT for some reason, before you can unlock your bootloader using fastboot, you must enable OEM unlock in Developer options in Android settings - which you cannot do if you are bootlooping.
If you still have a custom recovery, you'll be fine but if you're 100%, locked bootloader and bootlooping, we haven't found a fix yet so please do not lock your bootloader.
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Hi root,
I saw that thread yesterday ...
I thought this was already covered when the N6 came out, to get the bootloader unlocked you had to do a 1st boot of the device and ENABLE OEM Unlock, then you were good to go to get into fastboot and unlock.
The reason was google put the option there for 5.0, vice all our previous versions which had no toggle for it.
I think it was people jumping the gun and not doing that first boot, but immediately jumping into fastboot and flashing, and that caused it, yes? Because the BL wasn't unlocked, they couldn't flash the OTA and boot img ...
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And I would add that I completely disagree with this statement. Coming from an infosec standpoint, I keep my bootloader locked, and just suffer the reset when I need to tweak. If you don't, anyone - not just you - can replace your system partition or boot a random IMG which could inject functionality. This may not be the most common mechanism for attack as it requires physical access, but it basically obviates the encryption with a deepfreeze style boot IMG.
Additionally, when you think about this in context of the border crossing exemptions many countries, including the US, have to protections against unwarranted search, I would recommend that anyone with proprietary or sensitive business data who crosses international borders keeps their bootloader locked when not modifying the system. Also, until custom recoveries include security features, I recommend using stock.
Why are we making our phones so insecure just to have root? Not cool.
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This is nonsense.
You need *physical* access to it in order to carry out such an attack.
If your phone leaves your PHYSICAL access, then you already know not to trust what is on it, whether or not it has an unlocked bootloader.
xander45 said:
Thank you for posting this...when 5.1 was dropping, I attempted to return to stock...all the way.to be able to take Verizon's OTA...when i locked the boot loader, i was stuck in a boot loop with the android guy and the gear box spinning FOREVER.....its is not easy to get out of the loop, but i managed to boot back up into boot loader mode, and force a stock image using toolkit.
I am now unlocked, running 5.1 on Verizon, have full LTE/VOLTE, can speak and surf at same time...i have not rooted yet...but just glad it was not me....had a heart attack two nights ago...
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kng60ft said:
im so new to this but im rooted with an unlocked bootloader but im running full stock android. i only rooted just so i can chance the provision to get free tethering with my unlimited data. i have the wugfresh nexus tool kit and cant for the life of me figure out how to upgrade my nexus 6 to 5.1. Is there in anyone that can get me a step by step on how to update so i can take advantage of hd calling and silmutaneous voice and data... ive been waiting tooooooooooo long for this update..
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There is no need to lock the device to take an OTA. You can keep it unlocked and do an ota
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This is nonsense.
You need *physical* access to it in order to carry out such an attack.
If your phone leaves your PHYSICAL access, then you already know not to trust what is on it, whether or not it has an unlocked bootloader.
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Not nonsense. Yes you need physical access to carry out the attack, but with a locked bootloader and the new precautions against unlocking and fastboot it makes locked bootloaders fairly bulletproof.
I cannot recommend unlocked bootloaders to anyone that works SCIF'd and leaves their phone in a shared box during the day, anyone that crosses international borders, or anyone whose phone might contain IP or trade secrets and could be a target of theft.
This is as much about trusting the phone afterwards as it is about protecting your data on the phone - even when encrypted.
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So just to be clear the correct procedure would be to boot the device after updating enable the setting and then go and lock your bootloader? Or just keep it unlocked overall.
Personally I keep mine unlocked but for those wanting to take full advantage of androids new device detection a locked bootloader would serve a purpose.
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Just keep it unlocked
rootSU said:
Guys,
We've seen several people have flashed system.img's and OTA's and ended up in a bootloop.. Not the end of the world really, BUT for some reason, before you can unlock your bootloader using fastboot, you must enable OEM unlock in Developer options in Android settings - which you cannot do if you are bootlooping.
If you still have a custom recovery, you'll be fine but if you're 100%, locked bootloader and bootlooping, we haven't found a fix yet so please do not lock your bootloader.
If you feel you absolutely must relock your bootloader (at your own risk) please boot the phone up to check it works properly before doing this. If you intend flashing roms and kernels or custom recoveries, locking the bootlaoder is not a good idea
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I had this boot loop also, but clearing Cache and Dalvik seemed to fix the loop for me.
nyteryder79 said:
I had this boot loop also, but clearing Cache and Dalvik seemed to fix the loop for me.
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Thats good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...orial-how-to-flash-factory-images-lg-t2713833
This may help if you got stuck in a bootloop.
is there a fix if my mem shows i own a 32g device when i bought a 64g device, im unlocked/rooted and on custom rom?
darren.wlsn1 said:
is there a fix if my mem shows i own a 32g device when i bought a 64g device, im unlocked/rooted and on custom rom?
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I'd like to know too. I'm unrooted, stock everything, with 64GB Blue, but it shows 23GB total space for the device with 16GB available. Was fine before the 5.1 update.
Marcellus1 said:
I'd like to know too. I'm unrooted, stock everything, with 64GB Blue, but it shows 23GB total space for the device with 16GB available. Was fine before the 5.1 update.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58201783&postcount=106
should help
darren.wlsn1 said:
is there a fix if my mem shows i own a 32g device when i bought a 64g device, im unlocked/rooted and on custom rom?
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Marcellus1 said:
I'd like to know too. I'm unrooted, stock everything, with 64GB Blue, but it shows 23GB total space for the device with 16GB available. Was fine before the 5.1 update.
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Factory reset?
Not really the thread to ask this though.
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Factory reset?
Not really the thread to ask this though.
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Thanks, and sorry
Good Afternoon All,
Do you think it may be possible that we can get root access without unlocking the bootloader - I'm a little reluctant to unlock the bootloader because of the QFuse blowing.
The QFuse does not blow when you unlock or relock the bootloader. Many reviews and Android news sites spouted that nonsense without having tried it. There are many screenshots of Google CSRs saying that they don't know what the QFuse is for, but unlocking the bootloader/rooting/alterring software is fine as long as it's not so bricked you can't reflash stock images before sending it in to them.
Link to a thread discussing this issue.
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The QFuse does not blow when you unlock or relock the bootloader. Many reviews and Android news sites spouted that nonsense without having tried it. There are many screenshots of Google CSRs saying that they don't know what the QFuse is for, but unlocking the bootloader/rooting/alterring software is fine as long as it's not so bricked you can't reflash stock images before sending it in to them.
Link to a thread discussing this issue.
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+1 the QFuse status didn't change when unlocking the bootloader. The media exaggerated about the qfuse and nothing has happened. Everything about the phone still works properly.
Thanks very much, I wasn't aware of this, I should read more. Awesome news.
But to answer the first question.
Very few people put in effort to root a phone with an unlocked bootloader, not matter what fuses are blown.
A phone with an unlocked bootloader has root by default.
Swatto86 said:
Good Afternoon All,
Do you think it may be possible that we can get root access without unlocking the bootloader - I'm a little reluctant to unlock the bootloader because of the QFuse blowing.
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last i read you have to flash a kernel in order to root the phone therefore you need to unlock the bootloader to do so, i would like to just root myself but i don't know if you can.
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
Why people are afraid to unlock the bootloader? Nexus devices don't lose the warranty when you unlock it, you can also lock it again.
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PetrichorXFi said:
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
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No
PetrichorXFi said:
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
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The answer is no.
To do what you want, someone would need to develop and exploit.
There is no motivation to do that when all one has to do is unlock the bootloader.
On phones where a bootloader unlock exists, root methods require unlocking the bootloader.
This is to install a custom recovery so yiou can flash SU.
Unlocked bootloader = root, no matter what.
You will need to invest the time and backup your device.
@TS, did you read the unlock/root guide in general section? It clearly states you need an unlocked bootloader + custom recovery to root your device..
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I think this should be possible now with Quadrooter vulnerabilities?
sushah23 said:
I think this should be possible now with Quadrooter vulnerabilities?
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DOA.
But nobody is going to put in time and effort.
What is the point? Unlock the bootloader and flash. It does not void the warranty.
There is even a defined method to get the monthly security update.
With the exploit, it will only work until the next OTA patches it.
I was hoping to root without unlocking the boot loader also. I am definitely not willing to do this since I believe that is what wrecked my previous 6P. It was fine until I used Nexus Root toolkit. I unlocked the boot loader, installed TWRP and rooted then minutes after this the phone locked up, rebooted and was stuck in a permanent boot loop. I couldn't get into recovery or even install any recovery. That phone is currently at the Huawei repair center in Texas and they are sending me a new device. They believe the internal ROM failed and I have suspicions of everything I did with the Toolkit did this. I am afraid to try it on my current 6P that I got from a friend. I have no root now and the phone is massively stable. 400+ hours uptime with no reboot and no slowdowns. But if I were able to root with no unlocking of the boot loader or installing any custom recovery I probably would do it. I hate that I am scared to do all that again with this other phone haha. Sorry for sounding paranoid but ****, see where am I coming from?
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I was hoping to root without unlocking the boot loader also. I am definitely not willing to do this since I believe that is what wrecked my previous 6P. It was fine until I used Nexus Root toolkit. I unlocked the boot loader, installed TWRP and rooted then minutes after this the phone locked up, rebooted and was stuck in a permanent boot loop. I couldn't get into recovery or even install any recovery. That phone is currently at the Huawei repair center in Texas and they are sending me a new device. They believe the internal ROM failed and I have suspicions of everything I did with the Toolkit did this. I am afraid to try it on my current 6P that I got from a friend. I have no root now and the phone is massively stable. 400+ hours uptime with no reboot and no slowdowns. But if I were able to root with no unlocking of the boot loader or installing any custom recovery I probably would do it. I hate that I am scared to do all that again with this other phone haha. Sorry for sounding paranoid but ****, see where am I coming from?
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As good as toolkits are, put in the extra time and avoid using them because you are never in full control of what is being done to your device. Take a little extra time and learn adb and fastboot. It's actually really simple and you can get so much done without the need for using a toolkit.
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As good as toolkits are, put in the extra time and avoid using them because you are never in full control of what is being done to your device. Take a little extra time and learn adb and fastboot. It's actually really simple and you can get so much done without the need for using a toolkit.
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I have tried that only a few times. I understand what you're saying. I guess convenience can be more destructive. :/
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I have tried that only a few times. I understand what you're saying. I guess convenience can be more destructive. :/
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In all honesty it's not even more convenient. Once you've used the command line you'll never go back to a toolkit. It's actually easier, much faster and you have way more control over what you do.
PetrichorXFi said:
No answer?
I would like to get Root on my Nexus 6p but currently do not want to invest the time for full bootloader unlock/fresh install.
So... I will ask again, is it possible to get Root access on Nexus 6P with stock kernel and leaving bootloader in factory locked state? If yes... are there any guides to do this?
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Use Helium app for individual apps backup. Worked great to backup a few apps/data when I changed from one Nexus 6P to another. Might be a bit buggy to get working to get the backup, but after that everything is fine.
you can do it with KINGROOT
Hi There,
My colleague complained that he had an OTA update on his Nexus 6P and the after the update it was stuck in a boot loop where the Google logo keep on displaying.
When he bought back, he had showed it a shop already which they said they couldn't fix. However, the phone was later given to me for help and I have somehow manage to connect the device on fastboot and adb. Tried all the possible options such as unlocking the bootloader, loading .img's one by one... sideloading... etc.
No matter what I do, it keeps on doing the same boot loop. And when I leave the bootloader unlocked, it gives an error at first, then again goes back to the same.
Not sure whether what I am doing wrong or whether am I choosing the wrong build or so... would anyone care to advise?
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Hi There,
My colleague complained that he had an OTA update on his Nexus 6P and the after the update it was stuck in a boot loop where the Google logo keep on displaying.
When he bought back, he had showed it a shop already which they said they couldn't fix. However, the phone was later given to me for help and I have somehow manage to connect the device on fastboot and adb. Tried all the possible options such as unlocking the bootloader, loading .img's one by one... sideloading... etc.
No matter what I do, it keeps on doing the same boot loop. And when I leave the bootloader unlocked, it gives an error at first, then again goes back to the same.
Not sure whether what I am doing wrong or whether am I choosing the wrong build or so... would anyone care to advise?
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So the bootloader is unlocked? Exactly which build have you attempted to flash with fastboot? Have you tried flashing one of the full OTA zips with the stock recovery?
PS. Whatever you do don't lock the bootloader. And don't worry about the warning you get with the bootloader unlocked, that's normal.
Heisenberg said:
So the bootloader is unlocked? Exactly which build have you attempted to flash with fastboot? Have you tried flashing one of the full OTA zips with the stock recovery?
PS. Whatever you do don't lock the bootloader. And don't worry about the warning you get with the bootloader unlocked, that's normal.
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Thank you for the reply.. I have only locked the bootloader when I'm done with flashing... etc as it was giving me error. Regardless of the bootloader state, it kept on going through the bootloop like it didn't care.
I tried to flashing the factory image which is MTC19T and also tried the OTA which is MTC19V as said in here.
Still there's not luck!
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Thank you for the reply.. I have only locked the bootloader when I'm done with flashing... etc as it was giving me error. Regardless of the bootloader state, it kept on going through the bootloop like it didn't care.
I tried to flashing the factory image which is MTC19T and also tried the OTA which is MTC19V as said in here.
Still there's not luck!
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Don't worry about the warning and definitely don't lock the bootloader because if it gets stuck locked you'll really be screwed. Go to my guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928
Follow the instructions in section 10 (use the latest MTC19X build). Skip the part at the beginning about performing a factory reset because you can't actually get the phone to boot to do that. Make sure you include the "fastboot format userdata" command at the end (this will erase all data on the device). Leave the bootloader unlocked.
Heisenberg said:
Don't worry about the warning and definitely don't lock the bootloader because if it gets stuck locked you'll really be screwed. Go to my guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928
Follow the instructions in section 10 (use the latest MTC19X build). Skip the part at the beginning about performing a factory reset because you can't actually get the phone to boot to do that. Make sure you include the "fastboot format userdata" command at the end (this will erase all data on the device). Leave the bootloader unlocked.
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I have actually tried doing what section 10 says but with a different stock build.. Does that effect as well? However, let me give another shot with your said build and post back.
.G33K said:
I have actually tried doing what section 10 says but with a different stock build.. Does that effect as well? However, let me give another shot with your said build and post back.
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Did you format userdata? It's worth a try.
Heisenberg said:
Did you format userdata? It's worth a try.
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Yes, sire! I did all the possible things I could do without harming or bricking the device... Read each and every instruction carefully to do... but turned with no luck... however, I'm due to try the method and build you have suggested, I shall try that and get back to you!
.G33K said:
Yes, sire! I did all the possible things I could do without harming or bricking the device... Read each and every instruction carefully to do... but turned with no luck... however, I'm due to try the method and build you have suggested, I shall try that and get back to you!
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It probably won't work, any build should work, but it's worth a try. If that fails I can only suggest flashing TWRP recovery and trying to flash a custom ROM to see if that works.
So long as you have the bootloader.img and radio.img files, you can try to format boot as well, however Heisenberg may yell at me for even typing that
I had a similar issue - bootloop, but it was getting to the boot animation for about 3 seconds, then rebooting. When I formatted all the areas before flashing them from the stock image, it allowed me to boot up as normal. Stable ever since.
Hi There,
Coming back to the issue, I have just downloaded the build that was suggested by "Heisenberg" and tried it. It was still the same, as in the Google logo keep on flashing but the android bot just appeared once with the logo. But still there not luck as the device stays with Google logo but does nothing.
However, I'm able to see the device on fastboot. Nevertheless, I cannot seem to use adb command.. it doesn't even list on devices. Does that mean the adb isn't working?
Meanwhile, all my fastboot commands are working with no issues at all.
EDIT: When I tried the TWRP recovery, I can flash the recover, but I can seem to go to the recovery window at all as the device keep on showing "The device software can't be checked for corruption". When I pass that also the same boot loop.
I too am having the bootloop issue on my stock Nexus 6P. Is there a way to unlock the device from the bootloader? I'm unable to carry out step one on Heisenberg's guide because I'm unable to actually boot up my phone past the Google logo. Am I pretty much screwed?
bcjk8210 said:
I too am having the bootloop issue on my stock Nexus 6P. Is there a way to unlock the device from the bootloader? I'm unable to carry out step one on Heisenberg's guide because I'm unable to actually boot up my phone past the Google logo. Am I pretty much screwed?
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Unfortunately yes. Unless you enabled OEM Unlocking in the developers menu before your phone went sideways you probably have a hard bricked phone. Is it under warranty?
I went through this in November with a completely stock Nexus 6P. I was 3 days past my one year warranty! Google would not send me a new phone. It was completely bricked by the OTA update I received! I was put in touch with Huawei. I had to send the bricked phone to them. 10 days later I received a working model back. Unacceptable that an OTA update trashes a one year old $650 phone. Luckily I had my OnePlus One still, and was able to use that while I waited. I was even able to update that to 7.1.1 since it was rooted. Obviously there is some sort of issue that we are not being told of regarding the dangers of accepting OTA updates on a stock/bootlocked phone.
TemplesOfSyrinx said:
I went through this in November with a completely stock Nexus 6P. I was 3 days past my one year warranty! Google would not send me a new phone. It was completely bricked by the OTA update I received! I was put in touch with Huawei. I had to send the bricked phone to them. 10 days later I received a working model back. Unacceptable that an OTA update trashes a one year old $650 phone. Luckily I had my OnePlus One still, and was able to use that while I waited. I was even able to update that to 7.1.1 since it was rooted. Obviously there is some sort of issue that we are not being told of regarding the dangers of accepting OTA updates on a stock/bootlocked phone.
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Bootloop issues are common on the 6P even with custom ROMs--it just happens to be much more likely you can recover with the custom ROMs installed since the bootloader is unlocked. I think it's a hardware issue with the 6P rather than an OTA issue. It's probably not an accident that Huawei didn't make the Pixels.
Doesn't seem right that I have to "void" my warranty and install a custom ROM on an unlocked, rooted phone in order to recover from a hardware defect. That's BS pure and simple. I want to use the latest software, that's why I bought a Nexus. I want to use all the conveniences like Android Pay. That's why I don't unlock or root anymore. I rooted every Android phone I ever had until now, starting with the original Motorola Droid. Now that security is so important to Google, and you can't use all the Android features with an unlocked bootloader, they need to step up to fix these problems.
This happened to my wife's phone, sent back to Bell. Will see what happens.
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Doesn't seem right that I have to "void" my warranty and install a custom ROM on an unlocked, rooted phone in order to recover from a hardware defect. That's BS pure and simple. I want to use the latest software, that's why I bought a Nexus. I want to use all the conveniences like Android Pay. That's why I don't unlock or root anymore. I rooted every Android phone I ever had until now, starting with the original Motorola Droid. Now that security is so important to Google, and you can't use all the Android features with an unlocked bootloader, they need to step up to fix these problems.
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Unlocking the bootloader doesn't void the warranty on the Nexus 6P. If you are under warranty then just RMA the phone if an OTA bootloops your phone. It's your choice whether to keep the bootloader locked or not but if you keep the bootloader locked it's probably impossible to recover from a bootloop. Google keeps factory images for Nexus and Pixel phones on its website but you can't flash those images with a locked bootloader. Why would they provide the images if using them voided your warranty?
You are missing my point. If I unlock my bootloader so I can recover from a boot loop that may happen, I will no longer be able to use a huge feature of the phone. Android Pay will no longer function. In days passed the rumour was your warranty was void if you unlock. I assume that was started to keep people from doing it. All I know is I paid good money for a phone that is a disaster waiting to happen it seems.
If having an unlocked bootloader is so important to recover from a bricked phone, why do they lock it in the first place? And why won't Android Pay work with it unlocked? The answer is that you no longer have a secure phone if you unlock the bootloader.
bcjk8210 said:
I too am having the bootloop issue on my stock Nexus 6P. Is there a way to unlock the device from the bootloader? I'm unable to carry out step one on Heisenberg's guide because I'm unable to actually boot up my phone past the Google logo. Am I pretty much screwed?
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What Android version you had on your phone? What's your emmc name and ram name in bootloader? What's the manufacturing date in bootloader?
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You are missing my point. If I unlock my bootloader so I can recover from a boot loop that may happen, I will no longer be able to use a huge feature of the phone. Android Pay will no longer function. In days passed the rumour was your warranty was void if you unlock. I assume that was started to keep people from doing it. All I know is I paid good money for a phone that is a disaster waiting to happen it seems.
If having an unlocked bootloader is so important to recover from a bricked phone, why do they lock it in the first place? And why won't Android Pay work with it unlocked? The answer is that you no longer have a secure phone if you unlock the bootloader.
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I think you bought the wrong phone. Nexus devices were never available commercially through carriers and were made for developers and people who like to flash things with their phones. There are ways to use Android Pay with an unlocked bootloader if you are so inclined. You are right that an unlocked bootloader is considered less secure but if you only install apps from Google Play or another trusted source you shouldn't have problems. You can also simply enable allow Oem Unlock in the developer menu. This doesn't actually unlock your bootloader but makes it possible for you to unlock it via fastboot if you get bootlooped and need to flash a factory image to restore. This way you can unlock the bootloader in an emergency but your phone is still secure. I think this should be enabled by default when the phones are shipped. Too many people with locked bootloaders end up with hard bricked phones where the Nexus 6P is concerned. Honestly, you would probably be better off selling your Nexus and getting something else that's more stable and made for people who have no Interest in flashing anything.
Hi there! I've always been a Samsung user and I'm familiar with chainfire rooting method, Odin, the damn knox and all the tools that people need to achieve the beloved full control of our phones.
Let's go straight to the point: I need to buy a new phone for a friend of mine and the P9 Lite seems the most complete and suitable but I've read that if you unlock the bootloader and root it you obviously loose your warranty. The phone is unrootable by flashing a fresh OS image, but the bootloader will stay unlocked, tripping the useful warraty.
Is there any damn way to revert everything to stock in case there should be the need to send the phone to the customer service?
Thanks for the infos!
exnokiafan said:
Hi there! I've always been a Samsung user and I'm familiar with chainfire rooting method, Odin, the damn knox and all the tools that people need to achieve the beloved full control of our phones.
Let's go straight to the point: I need to buy a new phone for a friend of mine and the P9 Lite seems the most complete and suitable but I've read that if you unlock the bootloader and root it you obviously loose your warranty. The phone is unrootable by flashing a fresh OS image, but the bootloader will stay unlocked, tripping the useful warraty.
Is there any damn way to revert everything to stock in case there should be the need to send the phone to the customer service?
Thanks for the infos!
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You can relock the bootloader if you reinstall a stock rom and revert to stock recovery, just fyi... Also there have been reports that the warranty is not void if the issue was not caused by a faulty software. Also if you are new to Huawei, be careful. And READ! A lot of people don't read, and mess up their phone...
Instead of making a new thread about the same issues I'll pitch in here too. What is the safest way to root and unroot in case of warranty? LIke the OP I came from the Samsung ecosystem too but I get the feeling if I don't at least ask about Huawei's one I'll probably **** something up.
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You can relock the bootloader if you reinstall a stock rom and revert to stock recovery, just fyi... Also there have been reports that the warranty is not void if the issue was not caused by a faulty software. Also if you are new to Huawei, be careful. And READ! A lot of people don't read, and mess up their phone...
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Simply flashing stock rom will lock bootloader but Huawei have your data of unlocking bootloader.
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Simply flashing stock rom will lock bootloader but Huawei have your data of unlocking bootloader.
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That way you could say that when i get the code, i void my warranty without actually unlocking the bootloader...
dariomrk said:
That way you could say that when i get the code, i void my warranty without actually unlocking the bootloader...
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Huawei says they "could" apply fee on unlocked phones. Maybe relocking it restores warranty? I tried to ask them but damn Chinese they don't reply.
They could, but the chance of that happening is really low, especially if your device is 100% bricked, and it needs a motherboard swap
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They could, but the chance of that happening is really low, especially if your device is 100% bricked, and it needs a motherboard swap
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If it's hardbricked and bootloader is unlocked and the problem is not related to bootloader or a process you made that requires unlocked bootloader, I think they won't fee you because it has nothing to do with bootloader. But of course a company will always choose cheaper way. If a phone goes download mode or fastboot mode it's already saved anyway.
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If it's hardbricked and bootloader is unlocked and the problem is not related to bootloader or a process you made that requires unlocked bootloader, I think they won't charge you
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Exactly
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If a phone goes download mode or fastboot mode it's already saved anyway.
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I wish... I can't seem to be able to save mine, even though it shows up on fastboot on the pc. The phone itself won't turn on at all. I can't seem to lock the bootloader either, anything I flash now seems to have no effect. I just hope the Huawei service fixes it.
Makishima said:
I wish... I can't seem to be able to save mine, even though it shows up on fastboot on the pc. The phone itself won't turn on at all. I can't seem to lock the bootloader either, anything I flash now seems to have no effect. I just hope the Huawei service fixes it.
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If you have access to fastboot mode, you can flash anything. You dont have to flash an img permenantly if you want to save your phone. Use
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fastboot boot boot.img
you can boot your recovery without rooting your phone. You can even open your custom recovery and flash your system.img or stock boot.img.
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If you have access to fastboot mode, you can flash anything. You dont have to flash an img permenantly if you want to save your phone. Use
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fastboot boot boot.img
you can boot your recovery without rooting your phone. You can even open your custom recovery and flash your system.img or stock boot.img.
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I tried fastboot flash boot boot.img (and similarly, recovery.img, system.img, any partition I could flash, multiple times with multiple files) but the phone did not boot at all. Not even into the bootloader nor recovery. It was completely unresponsive. Now the phone is not in my hands so any suggestion is too late...