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Has anyone else noticed the F Stop/Aperature on the i9000.
It's a super low f2.6
As anyone who understands photography, the lower the number the more light is let in and as such means you can work and shoot better in poor/dim lit conditions.
The trade off is a Low Depth of Field.
I have quite a few cameras and at f2 they produce some stunning night photography.
Granted the sensor is not up to the same standards as that found in class camera lens but to have an f2.6 in this camera should still be great for shots that either require a bit of speed or for low lit situations.
Seeing as the i9000 does not have an LED Flash this is certainly going to help.
interesting piece of news thank you. sounds good!
i know quite a bit of photography, and in theory your right.
The only thing is that most phone cams have 'super big aperature', but since the lenses are very small and the sensors are also, it doesn't say anything about the quality.
Also the aperature doesn't say anything about the number of lumens the lens can catch.
it's just a calculation number.
aperature with your zoom factor make your depth of field and actually it stops there.
I have seen 4.5 lensen (on my dSLR) that can make perfect pics with no light at all, but also i've seen 2.8 lensens that suck totaly. simply because if the small lens opening.
On the other hand. Though it's still a calcuating number, it does give a good indication if you compare it to other phone cams.
Thanks for the input... appreciated.
I fully understand and agree in what you are saying.
If we look at the Nokia N97 which although not the best phone camera on the market it is known for taking surprisingly good low light photography.
Apart from the fact it has a dual LED for flash photography it's construction and lens is quite similar.
Taking aside the similarities, if you look at it's F-Stop it is slightly higher at f2.8 against an f2.6 on the i9000.
It's not much different I agree but even if it were one would expect low light or fast shooting to be on par with the N97.
I've seen shots taken with the N97 and was quite impressed at it's low light attitude.
Rarely during the day/night was the flash required.
I'm exceptionally pleased at the i9000's aperture/F-Stop and Focal range.
I for one am now not as concerned it does not have a dedicated Flash.
I'm quite excited about the camera as well. I almost never use the flash on my Omina I because I get much better results by playing around with the camera settings. The only problem is that the camera seems to have trouble focusing in low light/low contrast situations. With flash, the photos look washed out and are still out of focus. Hopefully the manual focus option and "fast auto focus" the gsmarena review mentions mean that it is possible to get good low light photos with the Galaxy S even without flash.
That said, I'm put off by the reports about video recording being choppy/crashing and the camera failing to load.
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That said, I'm put off by the reports about video recording being choppy/crashing and the camera failing to load.
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Same here a bit... I saw videos of the Samsung Wave camera 720p video and they look better than the samples of the Galaxy S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHQs_DpFFoI <-- Samsung Wave.. very very nice especially the plants.
I've seen varying degrees of the purple hue on people's cameras (the 5mp one, not the VGA), including my own. It seems worse when I'm inside. Is this a problem with the camera itself, or a software problem?
the atrix camera is really bad. all reviewers have shown the same quality in their pictures. i am reminded of the nokia e71, they promised they would fix it in software but they couldn't.
my guess is that it's the camera sensor itself, and it may be reduced (but not completely eliminated) with a software patch.
it would be a good idea to post this in the motorola forums. probably many people have done so already
I'm definitely going to be posting in the Moto forums. This is unacceptable. They had the power to have on the best smartphones on the market, but are going to start losing if they keep this up.
Any progress Here
Has anyone seen any movement or heard any news with regard to this issue? The camera is lame with this color issue. I was with a buddy and his Iphone camera beat the pants of this thing. I kind of felt jaded and jealous.
I had the same concerns but after some serious experimentaion I learned a few things...
1: The default camera app is 75% of the problem. The pupleish hue comes from a chronicaly bad auto white balance setting. This can easily be fixed in photoshop. The other solution is to download an app like camera360 which gives you control over white balance. This is not a hardware issue but is just too bad of an implementation to excuse. Camera360 has a free trial which will let you play with white balance so you can see what I mean.
2: the remaining 25% is that this camera is noisy in all situations. Even moderate daylight shots as a bit grainy. Don't expect the camera to get quite to the level of iPhone 4 which uses a higher quality backlit sensor. I have both phones and have compared. Noise issues are greater on the atrix no question. This isn't fixable except in post processing.
That being said. I carry the atrix on a daily basis and don't miss the iPhone 4 camera that much. Basically when you use camera360 or one of the several other very good camera apps you can fix most problems. Make sure you have the maximum lighting the shooting situation allows.
Other than that photoshop helps. Even my high end cameras (lumix LX3 and canon 5d) get the photoshop treatment. it offers white balance correction and serviceable noise reduction.
Picnova - you the man
That makes a huge difference. thanks for the recommendation
seriously this is a phone camera with two little led's for 'flash' and lights; clearly the cameras white balance settings are off; it appears to me that they are easily fooled (yet very sensitive to) differences in color temperatures, especially around MVL/fluorescent lamps. that is normally where your hue issue comes up. try it under some halogen lights and it does just fine. i think the AWB programming could benefit from a tweak; actually it is very sensitive to changes in color temperature, it just exaggerates the difference versus what your brain processes from your eyes; we automatically make a 'white' object appear 'white' in our minds; with any sensor/camera it is all software and it is not as dynamic and not intelligent. this indicates that the hardware is capable, but the software is lacking. for me the video mode is more useful really; i am loathe to drag around an video SLR or one of my HD cameras on random nights out etc. i would LOVE a hack/mod/app that let one manipulate the AWB settings, focus settings, and ISO settings manually for video. i dont use this camera other than for random stuff like friends or goings out without a real camera, which is very VERY rare. i own a media studio; i almost ALWAYS have at least a MagicLantern hacked T2i kit or XF305 in my trunk.
the sensor itself is tiny and not very good in the noise reduction department. if your lighting is good, the pictures will be good. 99% of people test and complain about low light situations when technically the real problem is they do not understand how to expose properly for the environment they are in. this is where camera360 helps, but could be improved with shutter speed and direct iso control. yes the iphone 4 has a backlit sensor, but still suffers from CMOS jello badly too. for what it is its fine.
day to day i work in a studio shooting a web series or tele adverts; i have 10 halogen fresnels and spots, diffused and direct lighting, aimed on set at any given time, and i guarantee you 99% of people that visit take HORRID shots by NOT knowing how or what they are doing, or how the camera works. a lot of this has to do with metering, which again the phone/camera system does not easily allow access to and i have found no apps to work with this.
but as a person intimately involved in the photo/video field, i must say for the price and the capabilities the camera is ok. actually i would like to see an android phone with an optical 1.2x zoom (for lens and sensor size this would be best for minimal distortion and maximum sharpness)/digital 2x (still technically at 720P resolution that way), 1080P backlit CMOS 1/16 single chip sensor with a glass 28mm-35mm equivalent perspective lens which is NOT coverage area (with a damn lens cover!), and image processing by nikon canon etc with some manual controls over basic functions; replace the useless point and shoot!
i would HAPPILY pay $1000 USD for such a device; double the thickness, double the weight, whatever. just give me the same image quality of a circa 2004 nikon D50 or canon digital rebel; the technology exists. the market exists. the software exists and now the hardware is MORE than capable of processing it properly. i have no point and shoot cameras; i have 7 digital SLR's (5 with HD video recording) and 4 1/3" 3CCD as well as 2 1/3" CMOS HD camcorders that i am used to full manual controls. I would leave the SLRs at home if there was any decent alternative in a mobile device.
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I had the same concerns but after some serious experimentaion I learned a few things...
1: The default camera app is 75% of the problem. The pupleish hue comes from a chronicaly bad auto white balance setting. This can easily be fixed in photoshop. The other solution is to download an app like camera360 which gives you control over white balance. This is not a hardware issue but is just too bad of an implementation to excuse. Camera360 has a free trial which will let you play with white balance so you can see what I mean.
2: the remaining 25% is that this camera is noisy in all situations. Even moderate daylight shots as a bit grainy. Don't expect the camera to get quite to the level of iPhone 4 which uses a higher quality backlit sensor. I have both phones and have compared. Noise issues are greater on the atrix no question. This isn't fixable except in post processing.
That being said. I carry the atrix on a daily basis and don't miss the iPhone 4 camera that much. Basically when you use camera360 or one of the several other very good camera apps you can fix most problems. Make sure you have the maximum lighting the shooting situation allows.
Other than that photoshop helps. Even my high end cameras (lumix LX3 and canon 5d) get the photoshop treatment. it offers white balance correction and serviceable noise reduction.
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Great info regarding Camera360...totally makes a world of difference (so far - just compared a couple of pics indoors between default camera app and camera 360).
What other options does the paid version add?
Surprisingly, I haven't seen any camera comparisons between the One and One X.
Seeing how many of us are upgrading FROM a One X, I'd love to see some comparison shots. To me, the camera is a huge deciding factor.
Anyone have a a link to such a comparison?
huh? there are already so many. i have seen many comparison in pocketnow, , technobuffalo, engadget, the verge, etc. the one seem to perform well against other android devices, even with iphone BUT, honestly, all the results shows that it still loses to the lumia 920.
I just rechecked those reviews and didn't see a single photo comparison between the One and One X.
use your eyes dude. technobuffalo has a whole article for it(compared with the latest phones), pocketnow even has it on its main page(against droid dna), scroll down for the against lumia 920 one.
TechnoBuffalo shows to me that Lumia 920 lost. Daytime detail is functionally identical, while low light noise is noticeably worse than the One.
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use your eyes dude. technobuffalo has a whole article for it(compared with the latest phones), pocketnow even has it on its main page(against droid dna), scroll down for the against lumia 920 one.
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I can clearly see that there are some comparition betw mobilephones, but i can't find HTC One X in the list. Where do You see it?
There are no comparisons between the two yet, I'm sure someone here will do one as soon as they get their hands on the phone though.
You have to consider that review sites aren't likely to compare an old generation phone to a new one from the same company. They're interested in comparing the phones that are current, that are considered the best shooters and that people are most likely to buy. I can't see many people, if any buying a One X over the One once the One is out.....Hence review site's wont see the need to compare the two.
very good question but no one compared them for some reason, there is an evident full size quality loss coming from the One X but otherwise the camera improves on everything else
and i just posted this
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can't wait to try this camera with reduced sharpness
i freaking love it
to be honest i feel they now completed what they started with the One X camera, the camera is no complete (the bold green lines are the new improved abilities, bold red are compromised features)
- Super Fast shutter, much reduced motion blur
- Super fast focus
- Best HDR in class
- Smart Metering Flash light
- Stunning daylight image enhancements
- Stunning daylight detail from One X reduced on the new ultrapixel camera
- Optical OIS reducing motion blur further
- Excellent noiseless low light
- Excellent macro focus
These leaves only tweaknesses, the color balance is currently too much on the warm side and over exposing bright areas (due to the light loving sensor) which can all be tweaked in software
HTC have rewritten the One X camera app from scratch for the JB update which dramatically enhanced the view finder speed, they also improved many of the focus, white balance and low light issues
i have no doubt they will do the same for the new camera
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check my collective post here ultrapixel camera samples
I'm posting up a new camera review/comparison from ZDNet in the camera thread.
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I'm posting up a new camera review/comparison from ZDNet in the camera thread.
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Thx. Were do I find the "camera thread"?
I've come from the One X which I thought had an outstanding camera, better than anything else on the market. I have two mates with SG3's and they were seriously impressed.
Now I have the one I'm equally impressed. The photos look amazing. I'm not blowing them up to examine pixel quality, as I really dont care but on the phone, facebook, printed out, the quality is great.
Indoor and low light blows my socks off. It's seriously impressive what they've done here. You still get detailed shots without the glare of a flash. Seriously impressive
Hi all
The 4k camera of the Note 3 seems to be quite impressive. I'm actually thinking about buying the Sony RX100 II camera for travelling, but I'm unsure whether it is worth it. Since compact digital cameras don't support 4k yet I would just buy yesterday's technology.
What do you guys think, does it make sense to buy a compact digital camera at the moment despite of already owning a Note 3? Or is it better to wait for 4k digital cameras?
Thanks in advance for all inputs.
Depends on the price. The Note 3 camera is downright horrible in low-light, fluorescent light and with motion.
I'm a Canon-person (Technically I'm a DSLR user), so I can't say how good that Sony camera is. But the Note 3 camera is only good in bright sunlight, so it's probably a good idea to buy an additional camera anyway if you travel a lot.
As for 4K, that's only VIDEOS. You'd be hard pressed to find a digital compact camera these days with a resolution that low. For photographs, 4K is low: 3840 × 2160, 8.3MP. Anything above 8.3MP is a higher resolution than 4K, but only on STILL SHOTS.
I have both (as well as Canon dslrs) and the Sony blows away the GN3 for image quality.
I have both as well and the Sony RX100ii blows the Note 3 away especially in low lighting. I basically use to take spur of the moment pics. If at an event, party, or on a trip I would definitley use the RX100ii instead.
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rx100ii is amazing, but it won't pair with the note 3, so it's slickest feature of using the phone as a remote viewfinder won't work
Have you tried the Sony software? Works great on my Note 10.1
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Depends on the price. The Note 3 camera is downright horrible in low-light, fluorescent light and with motion.
I'm a Canon-person (Technically I'm a DSLR user), so I can't say how good that Sony camera is. But the Note 3 camera is only good in bright sunlight, so it's probably a good idea to buy an additional camera anyway if you travel a lot.
As for 4K, that's only VIDEOS. You'd be hard pressed to find a digital compact camera these days with a resolution that low. For photographs, 4K is low: 3840 × 2160, 8.3MP. Anything above 8.3MP is a higher resolution than 4K, but only on STILL SHOTS.
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If I understood him right, he's talking about video recording. A FHD is only 2K (not quite but very close), the 4K video on Note 3 is double that and there's no compacts able to record 4K video as of yet. Excluding a GoPro Black edition (which is around $400 +/- now) that records 4K @ 15fps, 4K camcorders start from around couple of thousand $$$.
4K video is a new tech and not standardized yet, so hold your horses - the video industry may decide to go another way, like it happened in a battle between BD and HD-DVD. Besides there aren't many TVs yet supporting anything higher than a FHD plus they're expensive.
Wait for this tech to mature a bit and it will also get cheaper. In the main time the 4K video on Note 3 will do the job (stock on microSD cards!)
If OP's question was whether to get a compact for stills - they the answer is yes - no phone can compete with a good compact camera and RX100 II is more than a good compact.
I'm a Sony shooter but I don't own the RX100 MkII, I DO, however, have a Canon shooter friend that owns the RX100 (1st version) and he absolutely LOVES his RX100. If you want something pocket-able then, you will NOT regret the purchase... but if you don't mind something slightly bigger, I highly recommend the NEX-5T... it literally does better in high ISOs than a lot of DSLRs out there (and the amazing thing is, while it's pretty compact, it sports an APS-C sensor!!)
I was curious which had better video. My GoPro hero3 Black or my shiny new Note 4. So I attached them to a board and took some side by side video. I feel like the GoPro still wins but it is close and the Note 4 does a lot of things better, Especially OIS. Anyway, what do you guys think. Sorry I don't have the Hero 4 black yet.
http://youtu.be/LdLsR_VbB8E
http://youtu.be/PN2iuNgMbBw
Great thread! The images are definitely sharper on the Note. It seems the GoPro has a higher exposure and a wider lens. Slow motion, the Note appears much slower but GoPro, again, has more to see around the subject. I think if we go 4k, there won't be a challenge lol A real technical comparison would be great.
Actually after watching these videos again. I think the image stabilization on the Note 4 makes for a better video over all. I'm tempted to buy one of these, http://www.amazon.com/Magollc-TM-Waterproof-Shockproof-Crashproof/dp/B00NOO74VM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1414165936&sr=8-2&keywords=waterproof+note+4+case for when I'm goofing off around water and don't want to bring my GoPro. Add in the fact that the GoPro doesn't have a camera that can do 4k in 30fps and has a view finder, really makes the Note 4 the better camera. If someone has the Hero4 Black, I would love to see a side by side 1080p in 120 fps and 4k.
I tried a head to head shooting 4k. It isn't a fair comparison cause my GoPro only shoots 4k at 15fps, but it shows just how much better 4k shooting has gotten.
http://youtu.be/2IIlEYf76V4
http://youtu.be/6yCD6c-s11s
Sony and others big corp. with big R&D cant keep up and outsell GoPro. Why?
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Sony and others big corp. with big R&D cant keep up and outsell GoPro. Why?
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GoPro does one thing and they do it well that's why.
I wish Samsung would widen the field of view on their cameras. That is the only complaint that I have had about their smartphone cameras since the Galaxy s II. It is surprising that we have a smaller FOV on our phone than competitors with smaller camera footprints. Namely, iphone, htc m8, z3. Look at the rear camera module on those devices and the lens isn't as big as ours, yet they all have a larger FOV. I think Samsung should reduce the amount of space around the camera modules as I see no benefit to it.
**** Go Pro. Might as well strap a **** to you head and run around. No one cares about your nature hike hippie.
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**** Go Pro. Might as well strap a **** to you head and run around. No one cares about your nature hike hippie.
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ROTFLMAO!