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Yesterday I left my house with around 75% battery left to drive 40 minutes or so using the Google Nav app. I also had it charging using the included data cable and a usb conversion plugin.
I was also listening to Pandora as it was navigating with the screen on low brightness. However, when I got to my destination, the battery was at around 45%. I know the converter piece isn't broke as my ipod charges fairly quickly via usb when plugged into that same piece.
Is the data cable that's included really that bad at providing enough power to run the phone, as well as a mild charging?
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Your car charger may be outputting at .5 Amp rather than 1 Amp; models exist for both. I do not pretend to know if .5 puts out more or less than GPS+Pandora; but your mileage may vary if you changed over to a 1.
I had a very similar issue this weekend. My problem was with overheating.
I left with my battery at about 60%, setup the GPS for travel. After about 20 minutes i noticed the charging light start flashing orange and green, and i noticed my battery was draining pretty quickly. The end result was that the battery was over heating (very hot to touch) and wouldn't charge because it was too hot, i had to remove the phone from the dock and put it in front of the air conditioner before it would continue to charge. This resulted in me holding the phone in front of the AC for about 2 hours because it could only last about 10-20 minutes before it would over heat again.
The dock is basically useless because the phone over heats, i have no idea if this would work differently if you start at 100%, but with anything lower it definitely fights to charge the battery and power GPS usage causing over heating.
Incase it matters i am using the Motorola P513 Car Charger (http://j.mp/cuOqWH) and the official car dock for the Incredible from Verizon.
That's definitely interesting. I wonder why they released something with that obvious of a fault. Major heat can't be good on the life of the battery.
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I had problem with charging while using GPS and listening to Slacker but that was with this cheap charger I had. Once I used a higher quality charger (dont remember amps) it was able to charge and use GPS and Slacker at the same time no problems. It gets to about 115 degrees though. Battery says 140 is too hot so I figure its ok. If it fries....sending back under warranty.
It's definitely important to charge at 1 amp and not .5 or .75. I fried my battery to the point where it wouldn't hold a charge. Its worth the money for the right charger.
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It's definitely important to charge at 1 amp and not .5 or .75. I fried my battery to the point where it wouldn't hold a charge. Its worth the money for the right charger.
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Thanks for the heads up
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When you guys have the phone in the dock with the gps on are you leaving the screen on as well? If so that could be a big killer of the battery expecially if you have your brightness set way up.
I just got back from a long road trip (22 hours each way) and noticed the phone would get warm if i had the screen on so I could see the map but if I shut the screen off it would stay pretty cool while charging. It will still talk and let you know when you need to turn even if your screen is off. Maybe something for you to try?
Just throwing this out there because of the overheating issues but Proclip will be offering the Incredible package soon. Not only can it be positioned right in front of the A/C but it will come with a charging cable that can be ran to a 12v(?) source cable such as an after market stereo's power cable.
Sounds like, for me, I will be able to get a solid stable charge and have it in front of the A/C for cooling if I get that problem.
Again, just throwing out what I'm planning. I emailed proclip and they said early June for a release date!
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It's definitely important to charge at 1 amp and not .5 or .75. I fried my battery to the point where it wouldn't hold a charge. Its worth the money for the right charger.
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Agreed. 9 times out of 10 when using a charger not meant for your device specifically, the charger has the wrong voltage and/or amperage or it doesn't communicate that the battery is full properly.
The wrong charger will either not work at all right away (best case), kill the battery slowly by overcharging it, or cause some immediate overheating issues through overcharging or improper charging (worst case).
tl;dr: buy your chargers from reputable places, specifically for your device! It's worth it!
I am still holding out hope that they will release the same type of car dock that nexus one has. That thing was almost perfect as far as car docks go. At least imo.
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I drove from Mississippi to Florida and never had an issue. In fact, I listened to Pandora without a single interruption the entire way. Thats just awesome that Verizon's network had a data connection through rural parts of Mississippi and Alabama. Most of my trip was off the interstate.
FYI, I was using the rocket fish charger from Best Buy. It didn't have a proper dock, so my phone set in a cup holder. It never over heated but was slightly warm to the touch.
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I had a very similar issue this weekend. My problem was with overheating.
I left with my battery at about 60%, setup the GPS for travel. After about 20 minutes i noticed the charging light start flashing orange and green, and i noticed my battery was draining pretty quickly. The end result was that the battery was over heating (very hot to touch) and wouldn't charge because it was too hot, i had to remove the phone from the dock and put it in front of the air conditioner before it would continue to charge. This resulted in me holding the phone in front of the AC for about 2 hours because it could only last about 10-20 minutes before it would over heat again.
The dock is basically useless because the phone over heats, i have no idea if this would work differently if you start at 100%, but with anything lower it definitely fights to charge the battery and power GPS usage causing over heating.
Incase it matters i am using the Motorola P513 Car Charger (http://j.mp/cuOqWH) and the official car dock for the Incredible from Verizon.
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gummehbear, I have the same car charger and same problem as you. I tried looking online to see how many amps that charger puts out but I can't tell. So our phone needs a one amp charger?
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gummehbear, I have the same car charger and same problem as you. I tried looking online to see how many amps that charger puts out but I can't tell. So our phone needs a one amp charger?
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sounds like what ever amperage it is, isn't enough. I have a verizon car charger in one car and one I bought at Radio Shack in the other and they both charge while phone is in use fine
As much as i would like to say its just the charger, i do believe it has something to do with the device trying to charge itself.
Yesterday I used the same setup as i did when i had the overheating issue, but this time i didnt have an issue. The difference was that the phone was at about 94% compared to the previous when it was at about 65%.
Yesterday the phone charged up to 100% before the overheating could become a problem.
I will continue to analyse it the more i use it, i am trying to figure out exactly what the factors are. So far from my experience i believe that if your device is charged up enough, you won't encounter this problem. It seems to be the charging event in conjunction with the GPS drain causing the battery to overheat.
I had the same issues on a trip to the Bay Area, up Highway 1 yesterday. The phone actually came up with a warning message that the charger I was using wasn't able to supply an adequate charge + power for GPS.
I purchased the Official car charger directly from Verizon and I have come across this issue. So the problem is within the phone, not the charger.
Sunlight: heat.
Using the device: Heat
Charging the device: heat
Is it hard to understand why its overheating?
I was unable to post in the proper thread (due to lack of posts i suppose).
I had a mostly charged (80%) battery when attempting the RSD of 1.2.6.
After many hours (and me falling asleep at my desk) I awoke to find the installation failed and the battery completely dead.
Of course it wont charge in this state so what can I do?
find another atrix to charge your battery in, or external battery charger, or exchange the battery at AT&T (tell them for some reason it's dead and you don't know why)
The Atrix doesn't charge while flashing, and it can't power itself off standard USB current. That's why it died.
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ghetto rig it lol. Strip a micro usb you don't care about touch live wires to battery electrical tape them in place and wait lol. I've done it not with an Atrix battery but I've done it and it works lol. I know ghetto but hey if it works right lol
thats just my 2 cents
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When I plug in the usb for my Nexus 4, I start to notice my battery started decrease when using simple apps and the phone starts to get hot. I am running on paranoidandroid rom btw
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Don't worry that is a common problem among many android devices.It will eventually cool down.Charging also leads to the phone getting warm or even hot,but it will cool down eventually.
Since USB is not an AC source of power,there will be a very slow charging rate.or it will not charge at all.it happens with me too.
Try not to use your phone while charging. Not only do you affect it's battery health it also gets really hot
Nexus 4 has been reported to get hot easily so try not to use it while charging.
Also, try undervolting to see if that helps your problem. Im sure ParanoidAndroid comes with a custom ROM and root
and you will be able to undervolt
Good luck
Also another thing when I charge, using usb or wireless I make sure to take my case off, I am using the seidio case with is rubber and has a hard plastic wrap around and find that the rubber does not allow the phone to breath when it is charging making it extra hot.
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Also another thing when I charge, using usb or wireless I make sure to take my case off, I am using the seidio case with is rubber and has a hard plastic wrap around and find that the rubber does not allow the phone to breath when it is charging making it extra hot.
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I disagree. I use an X-line hard rubber case and always have the case on when charging. My phone "never" gets hot. It always stays at its usual temperature. And I don't live in a place where the weather is too cold.
Before anyone go crazy, it's most likely my fault. Since the battery is superglued to the phone I had to bend it pretty hard when I replaced the screen. And it was probably damaged
Anyway 6 month later my battery expanded and broke the glass back. There is a very visible bulge on the back (~1/16" thick), on a flat surface the phone wobble. I don't know when or how it happened, at some point I got the phone out of my pocket and it was broke.
I have a strong suspicion it happened while using a 2.4A/12V car charger at -25°C.
My real question (TL;DR) : Is there a risk using a 2.4A/12V car charger ? (my previous one was a 1A and it was barely charging the phone)
Doesnt matter what the current output of the charger is. The device has current limiting technology. It will max out at 1A so if your using a 2A charger your fine.
Also the car puts out 12VDC but it gets stepped down to 5V at the micro usb port. Thats the industry standard.
Now when you bent your battery you started the process of damaging it. Li-Ion batteries have a very thin sheet with paste on it and that is wound up with many layers. By bending it you probably flexed the thin sheet and that soft spot eventually broke and when that happens a chemical process begins to break down the battery. The bulging you are seeing is a buildup of gasses inside the sealed battery its self. When a battery begins to bulge its going bad. This can also happen prematurely if you expose it to over heating repeatedly OR for a long period of time, OR if you allow the battery voltage to drop to low for to long. Li-Ion just doesnt like heat or low voltage.
I concur with IAmSixNine you need to either replace the battery or get a new phone. And be sure to dispose of it properly. I had the same problem years and years ago with an old HTC touch diamond. The battery started bulging and I eventually had to remove the cover and use tape to hold it in. After a couple weeks it burst and it wasn't a pretty site... Pretty dangerous carrying around a battery that could explode in your pocket at any time.
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Thanks, good to know that the charger can't damage the battery, I have purchased a new battery lets just hope this one does not explode in the mean time
Ive replaced the battery, the first charge took 8hour to 90% and now it wont charger over 50% is there a way to reset the battery limit ?
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let it cycle a few times to correct the battery information.
That means let it die down completely, then charge it completely. Do that a few times and if it still causing issues its possibly a bad battery.
I think I also have a faulty charging port, only the wireless charging is working now, when I plug into any usb there is the lightning icon but it says not charging. I'll switch the daughter board with the one from my other broken nexus 4 to see if it fix the issue.
As much as I like my Nexus 4, I'm not impressed by reliability. In under 2 year, I've had 2 broken screen, 1 broken bake cover, 1 expanded battery and now possibly the charging port. My nexus S and Galaxy nexus with a million drop each are still working as new
One of my friends got one and broke his before the 2 month mark. He was ribbing me about getting a case for it and making it more bulky. I was not the better man...
I am having problems with my Nexus 4.
History, replaced screen after phone was knocked out of my hand, probably damaged battery while trying to remove it, but everything worked once it was back together.
Screen broke again, and while working on that, I noticed the battery had swollen so ordered a replacement of eBay.
All back together now, but.
1 Phone does not state "charging" when connected to AC or USB charging, although the battery icon has the lightning bolt in it and the %charge does not drop while messing with the phone.
2 Phone does charge using wireless, but slowly, and status swaps back and forth between charging and not charging and the % will move from e.g. 40% to 35% as it says charging or not charging.
3 USB works for connection to PC.
I charged the new battery overnight, wirelessly. It got to about 90%, so slow charging, but seems to work. Phone is usable, everything seems to work. I connected it to PC and was able to use Nexus Root Toolkit to backup, the reset the phone, no change in charging behavior.
Booting into safe mode made no difference either. So it seems it is not software/firmware/apps that are causing the problem?
I guess next step is to open it up again and remove and remake all connections and check contact posts? Should I order a third battery? Or a new motherboard?
I searched here, but could not find anyone with the same problem.
Any and all help appreciated. Thanks in advance, guys.
Opening and rechecking connections and coating with contact cleaner has made no difference.
Phone typically needs Volume Down and Power button pressed to get it to start, then Power Button to select start option, then seems to run okay.
Battery still not reaching 100% charged, generally 70-80% after a full night off, using wireless (my Nexus 5 charges happily on same charger).
Ordered a cheap battery from China, not really expecting that to be the problem, but no other clues or suggestions for now.
Any update?
My battery is ****e now, lasts 3-4 hours and I need to turn off the phone and charge. It takes 4+ hours to charge when switched on. Charging via the PC you can forget it, it drains the battery if anything!
I'm thinking of buying the battery on eBay and doing my research on how to fix myself.
Phone not switching on and Battery issues
Hi,
I have been facing quick drainage of my Nexus 4 battery since past few months. Recently I had been keeping it on charge almost the whole day, and a full charge would last only 2-3 hours! Further, the charging was taking a lot of time too.
Today, my phone had already switched off due to low battery when I put it on charger. After the white charging icon appeared for a few seconds, the phone wasn't charging at all. I have tried 4 different chargers, but to no avail.
Can someone help me? Is there a guide on how to change the battery?
Any help and urgent help appreciated!
Zany!
Cooldood2012 said:
II guess next step is to open it up again and remove and remake all connections and check contact posts? Should I order a third battery? Or a new motherboard?
I searched here, but could not find anyone with the same problem.
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It's possible some hardware was damaged when you took apart and put back together your phone. The USB board is a possibility, as is the back cover itself. These parts are pretty inexpensive, if you want to try buying a replacement, but that's just a shot in the dark.
uncle_buckman said:
Any update?
My battery is ****e now, lasts 3-4 hours and I need to turn off the phone and charge. It takes 4+ hours to charge when switched on. Charging via the PC you can forget it, it drains the battery if anything!
I'm thinking of buying the battery on eBay and doing my research on how to fix myself.
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Buy a new battery. Li-ion batteries are only good for a few hundred cycles or so (~500 cycles is the expected lifetime), and the N4 isn't exactly the best in battery life, so you can reach the point where your battery turns to crap within a year or so (or less).
Go to ifixit.com and look at the teardown. All you need to replace the battery is a T5 TORX driver (for the screws at the bottom), something thin and plastic (like a guitar pick or a plastic knife - they do make professional tools for this) to pry the back cover off, a tiny phillips screwdriver (like for eyeglasses) for the battery screws, and something to pry the old battery off of the adhesive holding it in. Double sided cellophane tape works fine for keeping the new battery in. When prying the cover off, go slowly. A little at a time, don't rush or force things. Or you might flex too much and crack the back glass. Don't forget to take out the SIM tray first.
zanyguy said:
Hi,
I have been facing quick drainage of my Nexus 4 battery since past few months. Recently I had been keeping it on charge almost the whole day, and a full charge would last only 2-3 hours! Further, the charging was taking a lot of time too.
Today, my phone had already switched off due to low battery when I put it on charger. After the white charging icon appeared for a few seconds, the phone wasn't charging at all. I have tried 4 different chargers, but to no avail.
Can someone help me? Is there a guide on how to change the battery?
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Time for a new battery. See above.
My battery have started to swollen up a bit but not alot (around 1mm or less, but it is noticeable when not in a case, it can wiggle a bit from side to side but not alot at all).
I have already ordered a new battery if it is expanding more, but yet battery life is pretty good in standby but not getting more then 3hours of SOT. but since im mostly using the N4 for email's and texting its not a problem for me to get through a full day.
I'm having the exact same issue but I've never taken the phone apart. In the 20 minutes its been off charger it's dropped 11% screen off in my pocket. It also gets hot and shuts off.
apocolypsecow said:
I'm having the exact same issue but I've never taken the phone apart. In the 20 minutes its been off charger it's dropped 11% screen off in my pocket. It also gets hot and shuts off.
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That could be software/ROM related. It sounds like somethings keeping your phone going full blast instead of letting it idle.
Yup, trying going back to full stock (should always be first step if possible), and then you can go from there. If it doesn't happen, than it was a software issue, and if it still does than it is definitely a hardware issue. Best of luck.
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With a swollen battery I strongly recommend you stop actively using the device. Swollen batteries can explode and that would not be good at all. I advise you to please not use the device anymore.
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Third battery (original, suspect replacement, now China sourced replacement) has been working well, phone back together and preforming as new for the last few months