Are ? /surely modern games are better ,than the emulator ones ,that evry1 says to download ?
Depends what you enjoy i guess.
The Snes/Genesis era was fluctuated with an amazing amount of high quality platform games.
Try finding a modern day platform game that is better than Sonic the Hedgehog 1 for example.
Todays platform games are mostly shallow experiences compared to older games.
Older games were simply sold as any other toy, so they had to make the best out of your playing experience in order to make you a repeat customer. That involved using more thought out and complex game mechanics, longer play times and more engaging stories and characters, all allowed by the growing processing power of consoles.
Eventually multimillion dollar teams had to be used for those tasks, which made games not profitable. The adoption of distribution means originally used by pirates (aka the internet) and the huge success of the Wii with the casual gaming population allowed companies to cut costs on both distribution and production: casual gamers demand simple addictive games and they're more ready to fork out cash, so you can both cut the videogame store middleman by distributing on the internet and you can cut production costs because you need less cost intensive games.
Right now the game scene resembles a lot the commercial films scene: it's a dual environment with both independent low cost games whose success is a lottery and big budget games which have more or less a planned demand.
I enjoy emulating SNES and PSX a lot more than modern games. I just think those older games are much much more fun to play. And I really love pixel graphics. I have a PS3 at home which is pretty much unused as I emulate on the phone all of the time.
I play mostly RPG's. They story telling in them can't be matched in todays games in my opinion and the older graphics leaves much for my own imagination of things. I can relate more to older games and the feelings they are trying to convey.
spyro,crash,banjo , medievil , mvc , mk, metal slug, pokemon , zelda ,mario , donkey kong , star fox ,ff are simply too amazing!!! You just cant compare these masterpieces to modern games on Phone!
BUT! i still enjoy both the XPERIA games and the classic games ,and i think i play phone games more than classic games they are differenet , so it depends on how you view them. I bought my phone to play emulators , but the phone games had more quality than i expected, and ending up loving them aswell..
Both are good but emu is best. Most new games dont hold a candle to some older ones in terms of gameplay
You can't go wrong with emulators, some of the best games of all time came out in the 90's (Chrono Trigger, Earth Bound, FFVII VII IX, Mega Man X, Chrono Cross, Suikoden, Crash Bandicoot, Metal Gear Solid, Twisted metal, etc.) Not only that, the roms/emulators for SNES, Genesis, NES, and Gameboy Advanced take up FAR less memory than a modern game. The PS1 games are pretty big files (ranging from 300mb to 800mb per disc), but they're usually long amazing games so it's well worth the memory usage.
Iuno if I'll piss the above replies off with my response... but my days of being nostalgia drunken aren't as potent as they used to be.
Nowadays, I'm coming closer to a time where I absolutely can't stand a lot of the games I grew up on.
I hear a lot of people inferring that challenge is a thing that no longer exists in today's game... but once you remove the nostalgia shades, you see that older games weren't harder, they were just full of technical flaws, poor algorithms, outdated control schemes, laughable physics and archaic collision detection that made a game harder than it needs to be.
With that said, I have pretty much all the good emulators on my Xperia PLAY... and they barely ever get used. There's no way in hell I can go back to playing a game like Doom when I've got Dead Space on my Xperia PLAY. Street Fighter 2 seems like an imbalanced trainwreck of a game now, Final Fantasy's magic system was illogical, the jumping physics in a lot of the platformers makes no sense.
Iuno... I still gotta have my Kirby's Adventure and some of the old-school RPGs... but for the most part,I just don't really care to play some outmoded game that suffers from outdated control schemes, and must be stretched and distorted when I can get something newer that makes use of my Xperia PLAY's big, beautiful 854x480 screen.
Take FPS for example... I have some of my fondest childhood memories of putting SNES FPS on the hardest setting and giving my all to make it through. It was a rush and I loved it... back in the day. Play them nowadays, and first thing you recall is
"OMFG, did we really use L/R to strafe back then?"
"Okay... so if R is strafe, how the **** did I shoot? ...oh... the X button... dis-a-point-ING."
"...wait... so I had to use a different button to aim on more than one axis?! WHAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN"
I recently also tried to play Killer Instinct and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters (the SNES one, of course) because I remember liking those as a kid too... oh my God... the collision detection was half retarded, and I quickly made that link to figure out balance in fighting games didn't really come 'til the late PlayStation/Dreamcast days.
Newer games like Cordy, Meganoid, INC, Stardash and Pixeline may not have franchise and nostalgia backing it... but they *work* a lot better than old school platformers do.
Same goes for pretty much every genre except RPG... and especially shooters/racers/sports/fighters. Try going back a couple generations in shooters/racers/sports/fighters and you'll be in tears, screaming "Why is this so BAD?!"
People tout the Xperia PLAY is the absolute best option for emulation... but honestly, I'd rather play games that are either made specifically for the Xperia PLAY, or optimized to work with it.
Nothing wrong with old school... but on a general note, a lot of people need to differentiate between genuine goodness, and notice when nostalgia's blinding them from seeing when a game is a pre-mature aberration.
You've given it away: RPG's and adventures, the kind of games one actually may want to play again because they have a plot and can be rediscovered, are still unchallenged. The rest of genres have been either dumbed down where they're not a challenge anymore (Survival Horror games as the most conspicuous example, compare Resident Evil and Silent Hill with Resident Evil 5), or mainly figured out in terms of control, or both (FPS, compare the complex dungeons in Quake vs. the cutscene-laden FPS of today)... but not in the Xperia Play. Compare Battlefield 2 and Minecraft in terms of control and then roll a die to see if you cry, and if so, how hard.
Maybe Street Fighter 2 Turbo is unbalanced and has retarded physics, but people know most characters of its roster. The same cannot be said for games like Bruce Lee.
Maybe Final Fantasy 7 or 8 have ridiculous animations and they are childish to no end, but they say something to people, unlike Eternal Legacy.
Logseman said:
"... but not in the Xperia Play."
"...they say something to people, unlike Eternal Legacy."
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lol, I agree with some things you've said, but let's be honest... it's a low blow (nearing straw man logical fallacy) to use Gameloft's incompetence to evaluate this generation of gaming - even if we're being specific enough to only consider the Xperia PLAY. Not to say you gotta be like me, but I at least used games that were prime at the time because it just make one's own point less respectable if all they can attack are weak opponents.
Gameloft has made some horrid controls (and even more horrid storylines), but the Xperia PLAY's game library has much more than Gameloft.
Dead Space; for example, not only created a standard of perfection for touch-pad controls, but it brought handheld dual-analog gaming to a reality it wouldn't have reached until the Vita was released next year... and with additional OS functions the Vita will likely NEVER have. Mainstream handhelds have consistently been weak with MMORPGs, Xperia PLAY's already got a handful of them... which work over 3G. What the Xperia PLAY's accomplished is very amazing when viewed from that standpoint.
The only thing that's come close to that was the Pandora, and it didn't do it near as well.
..and while Eternal Legacy's storyline hit mediocrity quite often (I'll admit, that forced kiss scene on the mountains almost made me rage) Eternal Legacy is not the cream of the crop. For example, get into Spectral Souls and you'll catch something that has a gameplay system easily able to take on Disgaea, and a storyline that truly develops into something substantial.
EDIT: BTW, i get a error when trying to view the image you posted.
YET ANOTHER EDIT: Even though I cited RPGs as the one genre that I can credit the old school for... removing the nostalgia glasses kinda takes them off the pedestal too. Newer RPGs have better overall design, less generic dungeon structure, characters with vastly better development, battle systems are more variant and allow more options/growth, conversations are more interesting, conversations are to a point in which you get involved input that will change the tide of things, storylines have much more impact, atmosphere actually has a passionate craft behind it... it's not just a "GRAFIX WHORE!" thing... games just improved over time, regardless of the genre.
Honestly, the only thing I really miss how "melodic" music used to be in games, as opposed to that wannabe-theatric bull**** they have now. And I'd even go as far as to admit that's a bias on my behalf too, since what I labeled as "wannabe-theatric bull****" actually has a far greater sense of orchestral composure behind it.
...luckily, KEMCO has been on a non-stop RPG churning spree for people just like me who want old-school-style RPGs on Android without them actually being the games I've already played ages ago.
It is not a strawman to compare successful games by successful companies. Whether we like it or not, Gameloft is the most successful videogame company of our days. Besides, EA hasn't published any RPG's on the Play (not that I'd mind snatching some Dragon Age goodness...) and the only offers are Gamevil's and Kemco's which appear to be made with RPGMaker.
The Xperia Play means undoubtedly a breakthrough, even if it's been mostly a commercial flop (let's assume it, it was marketed wrongly and it was too expensive at first). People pay cash for its games quite gladly, unlike most other Android handsets where people buy more ad-supported games or pirate them. It hosts some good games, and it's proven that touch screen gaming can not substitute for buttons and sticks.
However, it lacks device-sellers, or games which make a dent on the public. Right now it has a price where bundling it with a game could drive further sales, but it's really hard to find a device-seller like what FFVII did for the PSX. Spectral Souls is nice, but it didn't hit in the PSP where it came from, so it's hard to imagine it would do on the Play, particularly with its high price.
A game I'd LOVE to see ported is Battle for Wesnoth. It's a turn-based strategy game, probably the flagship of open-source games, and it has an iPhone port... but no Android one.
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It is not a strawman to compare successful games by successful companies. Whether we like it or not, Gameloft is the most successful videogame company of our days.
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Gameloft certainly has been successful, but I don't know how much weight I'd put in that since their success relies on using low prices to dodge the flak they'd catch for so many poorly-tested low-quality releases. Comparing their 'kind' of success to something like Sonic the Hedgehog just isn't level to me.
When I said your comment was near being a straw-man, it's because we - the Xperia PLAY gamers - have already witnessed Gameloft incompetence, know they consistently screw things up... and we know not to expect much out of them. Why attack such an easy target? If you wanna make a point, it'd be much more effective to attack games of higher accomplishments.
I'll agree with the part about device sellers. Or at least half-agree... there's definitely games on Xperia PLAY that make it worth the purchase, but they aren't being marketed very well. Like you said, it's commercial success isn't quite where it should be...shame, because the Kristen Schaal ads were quite amazing (easily better than what Sony used for PS3/PSP) and they could've definitely pushed some units if they were aired in America. As far as I know though, Xperia PLAY only got a half-assed mention at a superbowl commercial a year back, and again in a back to school Verizon ad.
Another thing worth mentioning on that note is that things were also made quite a bit complicated when it comes to buying new Xperia PLAY games. Gameloft and EA's games, in particular, revolve around completely separate app stores and there's even some stuff that's inaccessible unless you're on the Rogers/Fido network. Not quite a big burden, but still one nonetheless.
Spectral Souls did flop on PSP, but it was also marred with issues that made it unplayable... issues that have been resolved in the Android version. At the same time though, that's still on it's reputation.
A game I'd LOVE to see ported is Battle for Wesnoth. It's a turn-based strategy game, probably the flagship of open-source games, and it has an iPhone port... but no Android one.
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Hm? I could've sworn Battle for Wesnoth was on Android. Did you mean to say you wished there was an Xperia PLAY Optimzed version?
Yep... Wesnoth is definitely on Droid.
TLRtheory said:
Iuno if I'll piss the above replies off with my response... but my days of being nostalgia drunken aren't as potent as they used to be.
Nowadays, I'm coming closer to a time where I absolutely can't stand a lot of the games I grew up on.
I hear a lot of people inferring that challenge is a thing that no longer exists in today's game... but once you remove the nostalgia shades, you see that older games weren't harder, they were just full of technical flaws, poor algorithms, outdated control schemes, laughable physics and archaic collision detection that made a game harder than it needs to be.
With that said, I have pretty much all the good emulators on my Xperia PLAY... and they barely ever get used. There's no way in hell I can go back to playing a game like Doom when I've got Dead Space on my Xperia PLAY. Street Fighter 2 seems like an imbalanced trainwreck of a game now, Final Fantasy's magic system was illogical, the jumping physics in a lot of the platformers makes no sense.
Iuno... I still gotta have my Kirby's Adventure and some of the old-school RPGs... but for the most part,I just don't really care to play some outmoded game that suffers from outdated control schemes, and must be stretched and distorted when I can get something newer that makes use of my Xperia PLAY's big, beautiful 854x480 screen.
Take FPS for example... I have some of my fondest childhood memories of putting SNES FPS on the hardest setting and giving my all to make it through. It was a rush and I loved it... back in the day. Play them nowadays, and first thing you recall is
"OMFG, did we really use L/R to strafe back then?"
"Okay... so if R is strafe, how the **** did I shoot? ...oh... the X button... dis-a-point-ING."
"...wait... so I had to use a different button to aim on more than one axis?! WHAT IS THIS I DONT EVEN"
I recently also tried to play Killer Instinct and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters (the SNES one, of course) because I remember liking those as a kid too... oh my God... the collision detection was half retarded, and I quickly made that link to figure out balance in fighting games didn't really come 'til the late PlayStation/Dreamcast days.
Newer games like Cordy, Meganoid, INC, Stardash and Pixeline may not have franchise and nostalgia backing it... but they *work* a lot better than old school platformers do.
Same goes for pretty much every genre except RPG... and especially shooters/racers/sports/fighters. Try going back a couple generations in shooters/racers/sports/fighters and you'll be in tears, screaming "Why is this so BAD?!"
People tout the Xperia PLAY is the absolute best option for emulation... but honestly, I'd rather play games that are either made specifically for the Xperia PLAY, or optimized to work with it.
Nothing wrong with old school... but on a general note, a lot of people need to differentiate between genuine goodness, and notice when nostalgia's blinding them from seeing when a game is a pre-mature aberration.
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QFT. I found myself when we discovered PSXperia I emulated a few games, played them for a week, and then went back to the new games I had. I tried to play through Crash Bandicoot again and found it needlessly frustrating. And in the past I've emulated on my computer everything from old arcade games I played through Genesis games and more. Every time I found myself playing for a few hours and then forgetting about it.
Not sure if it was just because it was a different time, a different place, or our expectations have just been pushed so high its hard to go back down. I could echo everything you say about bugs, and hit detection etc.
I think the other thing is, we (or at least I), don't have the time to sit down and play for long cycles like many of these games require. The Xperia Emulator partially helps this with the built in save feature but still not all emulators have that. Much of my game playing on my Xplay these days is at around midnight for a half hour or so before I go to sleep (which makes Dead Space even more awesome).
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Gameloft certainly has been successful, but I don't know how much weight I'd put in that since their success relies on using low prices to dodge the flak they'd catch for so many poorly-tested low-quality releases. Comparing their 'kind' of success to something like Sonic the Hedgehog just isn't level to me.
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Regarding Gameloft, I think I put up with a lot more with them for the fact I haven't paid more than a buck for any game of theirs that I own. If I paid $50 for their games I would have likely burned down their offices by now. That said if you look at some games from the past they were almost as buggy (especially PC games but at least those could be updated!) and we DID pay $50 for them and liked it. I still have sitting in a storage box a copy of Battlecruiser 3000AD, if you want to see a buggy game look that one up, it was actually unplayable out of the box!
The port was published in September. I didn't have news of it... At any rate, AWWWW YEAHHHHHH!!!
While I agree with some of what you and Rogue Leader are saying about certain games being out dated and whatnot, there were a ton of older games, especially renowned RPG's, that I missed in my youth. The fact that I get to finally play them **on my phone** whenever and wherever I want, AND with a game pad, is pretty astounding to me.
Yeah, some classic games show their age, but there are many gems out there that most the new games can't touch. Super mario series, Final fantasy series, Zelda series..the new games just lack the level designs, the perfect level of polish, and the emotion of these games. I dunno, maybe developers just tried harder then because these games originally sold for upwards of $70, rather than upwards of $7
However, one new game series has seemed to have captured the magic of the past, the Bit Trip series. I would kill to have Runner on my phone, but I know it will never happen.