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why don't we do the same thing like the guys wil LG Optimus did? they posted questions all over their Facebook site and Twitter.... how about a group effort to do the same?
We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.
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We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.
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Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).
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Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).
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Bought mine too - but it really didn't get anything solved for the 1.5 Hero kernel source - they still released it on their own schedule.
you know im just impressed that this worked for LG and when i even suggest this here everyone just gives the **** up... i mean really? do you think it will hurt our chances to get an update? people are so used to taking **** and just eating it up.
nothing in this world will just coincidently land in your lap.
here's the link... http://www.facebook.com/SamsungGalaxyS
I asked. didn't hurt me to type. then again i actually fought for a lot of stuff in life.
Its not about eating he piles of utter bs they feed us with a snow shovel, its the simple fact that they will release it on their own internal schedule and unless your giving the project manager head under his desk 9-5 then the ammount you ***** about the update matters to them about as much as one of their 8 year old production line workers complaining that they are hungry or just lost a finger in a machine. Complain all you want, they have their cash now and they can do as they please. Now wether or not what they do is a good business decision for keeping and maintaining a happy customer base is a totally different situation. In all actuality the people on this and other SGS boards are in the minority, just audible enough to cause a fuss and make them release a generic statement that all public companies would that won't effect stock prices. The other 70% of customers couldn't give two air ****s what 2.2 is or what the hell kernel or source actually mean othe than popcorn and original copy.
Now as far as it working for LG. You show m where they said "no you can't have it" and then said "ok well you *****ed and threatend law suits enough here it is" I may believe that they actually released it based on consumer pressure and demands, other wise they did the same thing every company does. Develop a product, change their mind 7 times a week, finally get something that is "ok" but in all reality is mediocre because of the politics involved internally, test it, fix it, lather, rinse, repeat as necessary, release to the customer and in the process shut the people up who are *****ing and won't be happy even when its done because someones $15 dollar sub standard blue tooth headset won't pair or an app in the market that used to work fine fcs now.
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Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
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Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
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Ofcourse they do,thats buisness...And the real reason 2.2/2.2.1 didnt come out sooner,work really didnt start till about a month and a half ago,and there is still no real rush.Have you noticed how many EVO commercials are on tv now,and pretty much no more epic commercials.Its because they need to sell as many of those phones as possible for reasons unknown.But there is a big push to sell those phones.Yes they held back on 2.2 to patch some things in 2.2.1,mostly root,but that was like 3 days extra work at most.
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The title pretty much says it all. After a few failed interactions with SamsungJohn; by failed I mean asking legitimate questions and receiving no real answers. Being left with the feeling of corporate glad-handing. I am wondering if anyone has received useful information from him.
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The title pretty much says it all. After a few failed interactions with SamsungJohn; by failed I mean asking legitimate questions and receiving no real answers. Being left with the feeling of corporate glad-handing. I am wondering if anyone has received useful information from him.
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He did his job which is pr related. He came here to calm the storm that was brewing with xda members attacking the social networks for lack of support which boils down to he did nothing for us. A few brief conversations we had I don't think he knew much about development
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It's too late for Samsung... they will lose a huge amount of customers in the upcoming months...
Did you see their Q1 results? It's already happening...
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Xerloq said:
Did you see their Q1 results? It's already happening...
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That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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I agree with badboy on this one, combination of economy and lack of phone releases caused the single quarter drop.
As for my original question, i am trying to be an optimist and am hoping to find at least a few people that SamsungJohn helped.
Probably nobody. The questions they were forcing people to ask were more like, "What is the CEO's favorite pony color?" instead of the meat people were wanting here.
Why is everyone fed up with Samsung? They've given us FroYo and amazing hardware (we were top for quite awhile), only surpassed by dual core processors...
I'm glad with the support I've received and with the devs here no one should be complaining.
All the cool kids are doing it. Besides, if no one slams Samsung every 5 minutes we'd all look pretty stupid standing around holding pitchforks and burning brooms.
Personally I've never had any issue with Samsungs support. Releasing 2.2 within 6 months of release seemed pretty fast to me... and exactly what they said they would do (<6 months into a 24 month expected lifespan IS 'soon'). I have never had any unusual or abnormal deficiencies from the phone in any way.
Samsungs problems aren't with phones right now its the other stuff like LCD tvs. Updates have nothing to do with it even Apple seems to be falling a little(with there giant line of BS) so its probably more economy based
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All the cool kids are doing it. Besides, if no one slams Samsung every 5 minutes we'd all look pretty stupid standing around holding pitchforks and burning brooms.
Personally I've never had any issue with Samsungs support. Releasing 2.2 within 6 months of release seemed pretty fast to me... and exactly what they said they would do (<6 months into a 24 month expected lifespan IS 'soon'). I have never had any unusual or abnormal deficiencies from the phone in any way.
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Samsung is only required to support their product for 6 months minimum, which means they didn't even have to release Froyo in the first place. And from my understanding, Samsung isn't the only manufacturer that has problems releasing updates.
Wait. How'd we get so far off topic? I thought we were talking about SamsungJohn, not Samsung.
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All the cool kids are doing it. Besides, if no one slams Samsung every 5 minutes we'd all look pretty stupid standing around holding pitchforks and burning brooms.
Personally I've never had any issue with Samsungs support. Releasing 2.2 within 6 months of release seemed pretty fast to me... and exactly what they said they would do (<6 months into a 24 month expected lifespan IS 'soon'). I have never had any unusual or abnormal deficiencies from the phone in any way.
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I'd appreciated not being lumped in as a "basher". I have a legitimate complaint about not receiving feedback and resolution to my issues.
I purchased my phone back in September, in the almost 7 months I have owned this phone some of the issues have been fixed others have been ignored.
I have sent 3 emails since September to Samsung Customer Service and Technical support, none of them were answered. I called Samsung and was promised a call back that never came. SamsungJohn comes around and asks us for a bugs/issues list. He asked me to upload mine to google docs then never addressed any of the issues. He told me he worked directly with R&D yet could provide no information on upcoming bug fixes, could not even answer questions like "is the R&D team aware of or working on xxxx bug?"
I'm not a "basher", I am asking if anyone has received any help from SamsungJohn.
EDIT: twolostminds: both of my posts were directed at overstews comment about everyone being sore, neither were directed at your post, just to be clear.
Well like I said, I personally don't feel they did anything wrong regarding the updates, it is about typical for any product support. I think somebodies HTC got a super fast update and it got everyones panties in a wad.
If anything were to dissuade me from buying another Samsung, it would be the crappy attitude of the owner community online.... but I would really have to actually read the whine threads a bit more carefully before that ever happened.
Let me chime in here for a minute. I'm disappointed in this as well. What upset me was the fact that SamsungJohn was wanting to build an ongoing "partnership" with the people at XDA. To the best of my knowledge he is no longer around and there is no explanation as to whats going on.
I feel your frustration as I was made promises that never happened. I had received a PM from SamsungJohn asking for my contact information. I never expected to actually hear from him but I did. I was basically told that Samsung wants to help foster the development we are doing here and would like to help in any way they could. I'm sure I'm not the only one he contacted as they were reaching out to the developers in general. I was asked not to discuss the contents of the conversation so I won't. I was told that I could express Samsungs desire to make things right. I was told that if I needed anything to let him know and he would do what he could to get us what we needed in order to keep the development moving forward. I was aloud to say that much. He was supposed to contact me again to possibly set something Autism related up. I never heard back from him. I have made a few attempts to contact him and have not received anything in return.
When I spoke with him he seemed like a really nice guy and I think he really did want to help. I don't think any of this is his fault. I think the powers that be just decided to go in a different direction. I don't know anything other than what I heard directly from him. I never got the sense that he was stringing us along and I know for a fact that he was reading my blog.
My opinion is that things for whatever reason just didn't work out. I don't blame him for that it was probably completely out of his control. It would be nice to hear from someone in the "know" as to the status of the situation. I think it could have been handled better and with more transparency but it is was it is. I don't think anyone is to blame least of all SamsungJohn himself. I still hope to hear from him as I would love to partner with Samsung on some Autism related things.
I do believe that he was being straight up with us and at the end of the day things were out of his control and he has a job to do.
Hope this helps.
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That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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I disagree. The economy, overall, is up from this time last year. But Samsung's profits are down 4% QOQ and 42% YOY. Apple is up, Motorola up, HTC up... Tech everywhere is up.
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Did you see their Q1 results? It's already happening...
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That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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im with zerloq on this one. did anyone see htc's q1 profit? they tripled it from the previous. you cant blame the economy for sammy but htc have record profits.
http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-triples-q1-profits.html
Hey John, if you read this just tell Samsung not to lock down their software and I'm sure you'll have a lot of repeat customers. You can also throw in that their devs aren't worth a damn and may want to consider outsourcing some of their work to a lot of the guys on these boards.
Personally I am not only disappointed and frustrated with both SamsungJohn and Samsung, but I feel used. He asked us as a community to help by creating list of issues and concerns. Many of us created very well thought out, detailed lists that included tremendous amounts of information including methods of recreating the issues. In exchange for our help they made vague promises of helping our community. SamsungJohn & Samsung took our hard work and information and promptly ignored us. I feel used.
well... at least you know now. I didnt really know what to think of it, but was hopeful. Oh well... corporations arent human... never will be.
The HTC One is very much looking like the next phone for me long term, but all this talk about how poor HTC is doing is making me wonder is it worth the risk if they go bust, then I guess the software would stop getting updates, warranty wouldn't be covered if things go wrong, no sell on value as well.
What are peoples' thoughts?
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The HTC One is very much looking like the next phone for me long term, but all this talk about how poor HTC is doing is making me wonder is it worth the risk if they go bust, then I guess the software would stop getting updates, warranty wouldn't be covered if things go wrong, no sell on value as well.
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1) Here in the uk warranty wouldnt be an issue as the contract is with the company you purchased the phone from and not the manufacturer. I dunno how it works in other countries but we are safe this side of the pond.
2) If the development community is thriving then I wouldnt worry about updates (i plan on jumping straight to cyanogenmod if it is ever supported).
3) Sell on value would naturally be effected but thats the risk you take with anything you buy these days.
Personally I cant see HTC going under and if they do, ah well, not like im spending thousands.
You could play the Titanic theme as you toss your One off the back of a ship?
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You could play the Titanic theme as you toss your One off the back of a ship?
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i lol'd in the office
i really cant see htc going bust anytime soon.
They are still making money , and that without the launch of the htc one which should boost them up for a bit.
Dont forget they are still the 4th largest manufactor of phones in the world.
That thought did cross my mind too but I do not think they would go bust or do a blackberry and mess things up totally.
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The HTC One is very much looking like the next phone for me long term, but all this talk about how poor HTC is doing is making me wonder is it worth the risk if they go bust, then I guess the software would stop getting updates, warranty wouldn't be covered if things go wrong, no sell on value as well.
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HTC isn't going busted. They are not in bankrupcy they only have lesser sales but still they earn a gross of million dollars per quarter. It's just it is low compared to other phone companies. Don't be a paranoid, the smartphone manufacturing sector is one of the most lively business today there's no way any company would go bankrupt from it. There's far too many other OEMs which has lower sales than HTC infact HTC has even higher sales compared to blackberry and LG.
GRRR .. how do you remove a thanks !! ... Fat fingers and a touchpad don't mix !!!
Of course HTC isn't going bust .. what a daft idea. Their sales have slowed per quarter year on year when the crazy economy nowadays expects constant growth. If HTC comes a respecatble third behind Samsung and Apple that will satisfy the company goals as long as they take back some more market share.
Remeber that the percentage of market share figures being shown around are dependent on the size of the market. Samsung has done an enormous job (and spent an enormous amount of money) expanding the overall market. 10% of the market 5 years ago is nowhere near as good as 5% of the current market, and that's mainly thanks to the marketing divisions of Samsung and Apple competing to take over the world ...
On the other hand, HTC has always produce a 'disruptive' product every couple of years, one which stretches the envelope in some way or another. They innovate, the others market ... There will always be a relatively small but extremely comfortable place for HTC top-end phones ... and don't forget ... they made white-box phones for other companies and carriers for years before 'coming out' ... there's still a market there too.
Worry more for Nokia, Blackberry and a few others. The likes of Samsung and LG are appliance manufacturers and Apple are computer manufacturers so they have safe business to fall back on. Once the Cellphone market starts to approach saturation they'll ease off .. but right now the race is for a decent slice of China, South America and India ... Let's see how HTC acceptance is in those regions before we start to ring any funeral bells
yes this post pisses me off as well
HTC has so far been profitable, ie: they are not yet sustaining operational losses
yes yes sales are down, but the latest numbers are just media FUD, with a new supreme SINGLE flagship almost released no one would buy their old flagships
the recent news is that they are at their lowest pre android level, surprising how they've survived and grew back then if its a near death experience
besides even if they cross into "loss", companies can survive this state for years as well
What everyone else said, plus: Absolute WORST CASE scenario, they get bought. A company with as much valuable talent, branding, IP and carrier/manufacturing partnerships as HTC doesn't "go bust". Who would buy them? Well, ASUS is a Taiwanese company that desperately wants to transition successfully into the phone market..
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yes this post pisses me off as well
HTC has so far been profitable, ie: they are not yet sustaining operational losses
yes yes sales are down, but the latest numbers are just media FUD, with a new supreme SINGLE flagship almost released no one would buy their old flagships
the recent news is that they are at their lowest pre android level, surprising how they've survived and grew back then if its a near death experience
besides even if they cross into "losses", companies can survive this state for years as well
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A bit OT but I have a feeling they will release more phones than just "ONE" over this year but I really hope they don't as it's just easier to maintain and support 1 phone a year rather than 6 or more.
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You could play the Titanic theme as you toss your One off the back of a ship?
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you are so funny, man.:laugh:
While it's true that HTC's revenue and profits have been depleting for about 18 months, the company is actually doing quite well when compared to Sony, Motorola, Nokia, BlackBerry and a few others. All of those companies have been operating at a loss for quite some time, yet they have managed to stay alive.
The fact that HTC is changing its approach with the One is actually a very good sign. The company will be able to focus its software development efforts on fewer devices and throw its entire marketing budget behind one device. We will see other HTC devices launch in the coming months, but a handful of HTC execs have stated that a number of phones were killed off so that the company could make the HTC One a priority.
If things go really bad with the HTC One this year and can't find a way to reverse its downward trend, HTC will still be around for at least 2-3 years before they would need to file for bankruptcy.
Imagine if HTC did go bust...we'd have to buy plasticy toy looking phones that make toilet noises.
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Revenue $9.449 billion USD
Operating income $1.496 billion USD
I think they will be ok ....
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yes this post pisses me off as well
HTC has so far been profitable, ie: they are not yet sustaining operational losses
yes yes sales are down, but the latest numbers are just media FUD, with a new supreme SINGLE flagship almost released no one would buy their old flagships
the recent news is that they are at their lowest pre android level, surprising how they've survived and grew back then if its a near death experience
besides even if they cross into "losses", companies can survive this state for years as well
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I could not agree more. HTC made less PROFIT this quarter making it their lowest performing quarter since the nexus one days.
Remember winmo? This site used to be all HTC, their stock was rising based on decisions like branding on their own etc. The One will be the largest rollout since the Touch pro 2. They are still more profitable now since then. HTC isn't going anywhere.
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I think HTC is unlikely to go bust. They took everything they learned from the Sensation line and gave us the One X. As they realized various issues, HTC rapidly adapted their phones to fix issues of the past. Things like the WiFi antenna issue will never happen again. Sense 5 is much more in line with AOSP and Holo, with much better functional addition. They brought back the aluminum unibody. They innovated new features, brought a truly good camera to the table rather than better optics and a good camera app. They added new sound hardware and truly delivered on their promise to give great sound instead of just an equalizer. The list just keeps going on.
HTC has shown that they rapidly adapt to fix their weaknesses and give customers what they want. I think that is what will ensure their survival.
The only phone company going bust this year is Blackberry
There is no chance at all but in case Google or Samsung are the potential buyer they will take care of all things
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Imagine if HTC did go bust...we'd have to buy plasticy toy looking phones that make toilet noises.
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just awesome
by the way HTC just closed a 10 year deal with apple, a 3 year sponsorship with UEFA and has been on a hiring spree, so yea it's safe to say they are not going anywhere
don't let media FUD get to you
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A bit OT but I have a feeling they will release more phones than just "ONE" over this year but I really hope they don't as it's just easier to maintain and support 1 phone a year rather than 6 or more.
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the strategy is for one supreme flagaship, no other devices for at least half a year, and with a very high chance of a One + mid year
there will definitely be other mid to low range devices, a phablet + tablet maybe
considering that even Apple is about to release two iPhones (and two ipads, ipod etc) you can't really expect a phone specific company like HTC to just go for one device, actually no body releases one device...stop dreaming
but they did fix their biggest mistake which was release three competing flagships last year (One S, X, XL)
a mid year refresh will not hurt, in fact it will persuade those considering the One mid year but tempted with newer devices specifications, all their previous mid year refresh were basically the same device with a slight speed+battery boost/ refinement to the finish/red accents! so no matter how the minority of XDA memebers like to cry about those minor refresh releases, ITS STILL THE SAME DEVICE
yesterday i saw the One X+ with someone and i asked him if i can see it, i just couldn't stop myself from laughing all those who freaked out when it was announced, its 99% the One X, HTC have the same team for what basically is the same firmware on both, in fact im all for it, refreshing the same device actually entices HTC to keep the updates flowing
I always like more and more competition since its better for the consumer. Just that the idea of buying the HTC One scares me regarding future support (updates / warranty / resale value) :-/
I loved my nexus one... but I'm sure we can all agree that HTC has been in a rough stretch sales wise. Less sales starts the bad spiral of less money -> less marketing -> less customers -> less pull with carriers -> less R&D -> less user base -> less accessories -> less support etc.
I guess I'm the only one that's worried to buy from a company that seems to be on its last hope
Of course the loyalists will flame me because they are protective of HTC's image and that's ok (because I can appreciate being a fan). But is there anyone else out there that has had this worry about buying the One as well? I'd like to hear your thoughts even if they are negative
http://mobile.pcmag.com/?ref=299983&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcmag.com%2Farticle2%2F0%2C2817%2C2406787%2C00.asp
HTC said its profits dropped by more than half this past quarter - July 2012
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HTC doesn’t seem to be doing too well lately, even after the big launch of the One series, and the much praised HTC One X smartphone. Yesterday they said that their sales fell by 45% in the month of July compared to the same month last year, from T$45.11 billion to T$25 billion ($834 million). The sales were also down compared the previous month by T$5 billion. - August 2012
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http://www.talkandroid.com/150068-htc-reports-january-sales-down-6-percent-year-on-year/
Who said Android manufacturers didn’t deliver on their word? OK, maybe not always on software updates but HTC is living up to its promise of crappy sales. Earlier this week the Taiwanese giant announced it expected this quarter’s sales numbers to be down as much as 17% over the first quarter of 2012. - February 2013
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March and April shipment numbers for Taiwan’s star-crossed smartphone champion may be gruesome indeed and it is possible that the HTC One won’t ship more than 300,000 units globally even during April. HTC can only hope that consumer interest will remain high even as the Xperia Z price drifts down, the Galaxy S4 debuts and the summer iPhone buzz starts peaking. - March 2013
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HTC isn't going anywhere, and in the most extreme case they would merely be purchased off
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Re: Buying the HTC One seems dangerous
As a proud owner of an HTC rezound (htc's long lost orphan child) r&d couldn't have been better. With our small community of talented devs this phone has countless roms, cm, pac, ported sense 4.x you name it...
R&D won't be a problem on the one, which will sell way more than the rezound.
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HTC isn't going anywhere, and in the most extreme case they would merely be purchased off
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I can agree with being purchase off eventually. But in the meantime, like a bleeding wounded animal, they would cut spending at various key departments in order to stave off having to be bought out... which cuts into the HTC One marketing and customer base, limiting the resale demand and market share for that phone.
Also if they are bought out / merged is there any thing guaranteeing a past 1 year, out of warranty repair could be given if needed? Say your 1 day out of warranty and your battery completely dies.
You're at risk buying coffee at starbucks in the morning. Some one might accidently pour some rat poison in it....another useless...well, do I even need to say it...
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You're at risk buying coffee at starbucks in the morning. Some one might accidently pour some rat poison in it...
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Being maliciously poisoned by someone or any other random car accident/plane crash type example is different than trying to make a calculated decision about an electronics purchase.
That would be like telling someone who is weighing the risks versus benefits of buying a particular stock "Ah who cares? you might get poisoned at Starbucks anyways."
I have used no smartphones BUT htc since the ppc6700 and I won't be buying the one. First and foremost I'm just pissed at the game htc pays with source code being released right before or after a version becomes replaced. Going with s4 if the fabled mastodon nexus 5 doesn't come to fruition in short order. I think the one is pretty much a one x with stuff removed (a button here, an sd card there) in that respect it's aptly named although it becomes a bit confusing. One x s v and now just one?
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I have used no smartphones BUT htc since the ppc6700 and I won't be buying the one. First and foremost I'm just pissed at the game htc pays with source code being released right before or after a version becomes replaced. Going with s4 if the fabled mastodon nexus 5 doesn't come to fruition in short order. I think the one is pretty much a one x with stuff removed (a button here, an sd card there) in that respect it's aptly named although it becomes a bit confusing. One x s v and now just one?
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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HTC is declining for sure, but I don't think ut will be dead anytime in 3 years. HTC still holds cash on hand(earned before 2012). Their problem is going less and less profitable, not fighting for last breath.
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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I think you can be confident that this phone's lifespan will last at least as long as HTC will...part of that's unfortunately because HTC doesn't exactly have a fantastic history of supporting their own devices, but developers certainly do, and I have a feeling the One will be at least as popular with the dev community as the One XL was - and I think the XL still has a good, long life ahead of it.
So, even if HTC vanishes from the face of the Earth, devs will keep it alive :good:
Being someone who bit the bullet with Palm/HP webOS, I think that threads like these are ridiculous. If you like the phone, why does it matter? I received a number of replacement Palm Pres through my carrier even after Palm was bought out. If there is an issue with the One it will likely be handled the same way. As for resale value... If it lasts you two years you have effectively paid about 25 bucks a month assuming it costs 600 bucks. I think the One will probably be worth that to me, and that is assuming you won't get a penny in resale value.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but the phone you use every day has to be worth something to you, and maybe if the One isn't worth 25 bucks a month for two years, you could return it and get a GS4 or wait for something else instead of worrying about what it will be worth when you're done with it.
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This isn't a thread to be mad at HTC and say all the reasons your are pissed at them and why you are not buying a One. The topic of this thread is simply talking about being uncertain/worried about buying a One due to risks of HTC's future. Please don't hijack the thread over other topics. Thank you :good:
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My apologies. As a die hard htc customer, I thought that my opinion might be reflective of the mistakes they might be making that you seem concerned about. That said, they are still one of the top (2?) manufacturers and are far from tanking. Support shouldn't be an issue. If you like that phone, I see absolutely no reason for concern.
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The amount of negativity on here is ridiculous.
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"Being MALICIOUSLY poisoned by someone"
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coupetastic-droid said:
"Some one might ACCIDENTLY pour some rat poison in it...."
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Thanx for reading...
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Actually HTC has great update track record. I think only Asus is better. I would be more scared of buying Sony or Samsung. Especially for all the rumors that Samsung is leaving Android in favor of their own OS.
And don't forget that HTC decided to only have 1 flagship device they will update faster.
And HTC must have a lot of money left because in Germany their commercials are everywhere. And they are major UEFA sponsor. Only biggest company's can afford that.
And as it looks HTC One is selling like crazy right now. Not at all strange as almost all reviewers love it and praise it.
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I always like more and more competition since its better for the consumer. Just that the idea of buying the HTC One scares me regarding future support (updates / warranty / resale value) :-/
I loved my nexus one... but I'm sure we can all agree that HTC has been in a rough stretch sales wise. Less sales starts the bad spiral of less money -> less marketing -> less customers -> less pull with carriers -> less R&D -> less user base -> less accessories -> less support etc.
I guess I'm the only one that's worried to buy from a company that seems to be on its last hope
Of course the loyalists will flame me because they are protective of HTC's image and that's ok (because I can appreciate being a fan). But is there anyone else out there that has had this worry about buying the One as well? I'd like to hear your thoughts even if they are negative
http://mobile.pcmag.com/?ref=299983&url=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406787,00.asp
http://m.androidauthority.com/htcs-sales-down-45-in-july-compared-to-a-year-ago-106036/
http://www.talkandroid.com/150068-htc-reports-january-sales-down-6-percent-year-on-year/
http://bgr.com/2013/03/26/htc-one-l.../?utm_source=b-yahoo-orig_pub&utm_medium=feed
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Yep. I also worry about future support. HTC is notorious for slow updates
coupetastic-droid said:
You're at risk buying coffee at starbucks in the morning. Some one might accidently pour some rat poison in it....another useless...well, do I even need to say it...
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You get the award for the worst analogy ever
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Like I said before HTC is not in a state where they are losing their business. They're just having lesser profit(income) compared to the past years. Now if anybody here thinks that $36million income in a quarter of a year is small then give me $1million on my paypal account right now lol!
And yeah having lower profit on the 1st quarter is expected by HTC.
1. They haven't released new phones.
2. They made budgets for the release of their HTC One(Where do you think they would get their budget for it?)
3. Obviously their past phones did really not sell out.
Now with the HTC One coming I'm pretty sure their profit would surge out this 2nd quarter. To think their stocks now jumped in by +9.65% they are obviously earning big time on the HTC One right now even considering it's not yet widely released and lack of availability.
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Being someone who bit the bullet with Palm/HP webOS, I think that threads like these are ridiculous. If you like the phone, why does it matter? I received a number of replacement Palm Pres through my carrier even after Palm was bought out. If there is an issue with the One it will likely be handled the same way. As for resale value... If it lasts you two years you have effectively paid about 25 bucks a month assuming it costs 600 bucks. I think the One will probably be worth that to me, and that is assuming you won't get a penny in resale value.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but the phone you use every day has to be worth something to you, and maybe if the One isn't worth 25 bucks a month for two years, you could return it and get a GS4 or wait for something else instead of worrying about what it will be worth when you're done with it.
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This is one of the most sensible things I've read on xda. Ever.
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As this thread doesn't discuss features of the device but is rather discussing HTC alleged financial situation its now closed before it really becomes a fanboy battleground..
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4...ures-disastrous-first-and-production-problems
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It will be sad to see them go, downsizing is never pretty. I really hope we'll see a phone running sense in the future generations.. I think the one should have been much more popular than it is.
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Its overdue!!
When a company goes down that fast, major changes are a must!!
Just sack the CEO and let someone else bought the company.
This is very very sad news, also the launch of the One in my country is a disaster.... Not enough unit to sale, only units for pre-ordered customers, delayed 3-4 times. I really hope the doubled manufacture rate of the One will help them get out of this situation...
Google - please buy HTC!!
yes but consider this
if the US staff if being changed or they are leaving on their own, the motherbase is still in Taiwan, if anything those leaving are those who failed HTC so far
Let's not forget the One X main failure was the US market
Slashgear's take on the news
HTC sees more top execs disappear as Facebook fouls First launch
and little less drama
Nonetheless, HTC’s future is about more than just a few high-profile staff looking elsewhere for their next challenge. The company has apparently pushed through its HTC One production issues, with output said to double this month alone, and the unaudited sales figures from April indicated that demand for the flagship was certainly there. HTC has been pushing ahead with cost-cutting, too, axing little-used services like HTC Watch in less popular locations.
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and did the press consider that Eirc is just a guy who left his job and bad mouthing the place
Leigh @jetleigh 9h
Proud to say I work for @HTC. #hatersgonnahate
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https://twitter.com/jetleigh/status/337036907546570752
Leigh @jetleigh 8h
@verge you guys are missing a big piece to this, creates a misleading story. *sigh.*
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Executive hemorrhage continues : http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/22/4355290/htc-asia-ceo-lennard-hoornik-leaves-company
i dont think this will affect anything at all..they are always people who can do a better job than those who have left
They just might bring in new people that can get HTC out of this disaster, you never know, HTC might be better off without them.
Ps. Can somebody rename this thread? There are threads created every minute about the same topic.
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For everyone worried that HTC will no longer exist, just remember that Nokia, Yahoo, AOL, MySpace, and many others still exist even though they have not been relevant for a whole lot longer
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Slashgear's take on the news
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This from that article would be an absolute disaster.
A reshuffle in how HTC makes its strategy decisions could be part of the reason behind the shake-up, it’s suggested, with the company shifting product planning to the Taipei HQ and potentially leaving the Seattle office out of the loop.Asian companies don't know how to market toward Western audiences and HTC's been historically bad. Controlling it all out of Taiwan would just make things worse. And if you look at where the people went most are in better jobs with bigger and growing companies so "house cleaning" doesn't seem like what's behind their departure. People on the inside have a more accurate view of the present and future and mass exodus is never a good sign.
Here's what Forbes said...
Once an undeniable power in the U.S. smartphone market (second only to Apple ’s iPhone in 2011), the Taiwan-based HTC Corp. is suffering the latest bump in what has been a slow, drawn-out stumble.
The company’s chief product officer, Kouji Kodera, has left the company, according to a report by The Verge. Kodera’s departure is one of a number of recent HTC fence-jumpers, which includes vice president of global communications Jason Gordon, global retail marketing manager Rebecca Rowland, director of digital marketing John Starkweather, and product strategy manager Eric Lin, according to the report. HTC Asia’s CEO Lennard Hoornik has also chosen to leave the company following two months of leave time.
This exodus of talent only worsens a grim outlook for the company in 2013. The HTC One – the company’s latest iPhone-esque smartphone – has not been the game-changer the company needed to bounce back from poor sales in 2012. Investors have taken notice, as they tend to do (eventually) and HTC’s share prices have fallen to $288 from $432 [the One X/S/V launch] this time last year on the Taiwan exchange.http://www.forbes.com/sites/karsten...retreating-in-the-face-of-iphone-and-samsung/
The thing with Eric Lin is that even when he first "introduced" himself to the community at large for I believe it was pocketnow he came off as a very abrasive and quite negative representative for HTC (and that was in 2009). In terms of PR he was a bad move by the company...In that it doesn't shock me in the least that he is a very outspoken critic of HTC America.
Even speaking with him at some of the live events he's still extremely abrasive...he's a really bad spokesperson for even a company performing well
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They just might bring in new people that can get HTC out of this disaster, you never know, HTC might be better off without them.
Ps. Can somebody rename this thread? There are threads created every minute about the same topic.
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Good idea. Done.
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he came off as a very abrasive and quite negative representative for HTC (and that was in 2009).
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So either he was really good at his job and HTC decided to overlook his personality traits or, since he was at HTC for four years, HTC's incompetent for allowing such a key position to be filled with someone not up to the task.
Forbes iPhone esk quote is ridiculous as well as measuring the one success so pre maturely
I give up with American media
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Forbes iPhone esk quote is ridiculous as well as measuring the one success so pre maturely
I give up with American media
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Their basing their conclusion on HTC's guidance for Q2 2013 which is below (by 21%) what they actually achieved in Q2 2012 with the X/S/V and that at this point last year their stock price is 33% lower with the One on the market than when the X/S/V were on the market for the same amount of time. I was hoping for HTC's sake that today's big Verizon announcment was that they'd be carrying the One. It turned out to be a partnership with Jennifer Lopez aimed at the U.S. Latin market.
Here's HTC projected performance along with their historical performance (as provided by them).
Off to enjoy my HTC One
Enjoy the stock exchange Barry I share no interest
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By the way, isn't it odd that you only contribute to death stories around this specific forum and nothing to do with the device it self?
At least Baron took a bold step
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2157153&page=612
You really don't like HTC at all Barry, do you? Never see you saying anything good about them and always praising Samsung like they have no faults at all and any problems that they do have, you seem to brush them under the carpet like they are non-issues i.e. the screen issues yet when it comes to HTC and a minor problem, it is just an outrage and that this will severely hurt the company according to you......
Regarding this "shake up", just because people have left the company doesn't neccasrily mean that the company is going down, as posted by one of them and an article, it sounds like they weren't happy working at HTC....... how that relates to "the end of HTC", please explain......... besides, it might be a good thing as posted, their marketing is crap (much better this year but still not good enough to match Samsung) and this is one of the most important areas as to if a product will do well combined with sales commissions, Samsung know fine well how it important it is, otherwise they wouldn't be throwing such a stupid amount of money at that department let alone increasing it substantially each year, that is largely why they are so popular and sell so many units as has been proven even if a product gets better reviews and is better overall and is preferred by the majority of users across forums/polls etc. Looking at both devices the other day, HTC one shoved with all the other devices where as the galaxy s4 has its very own stand and the device isn't clamped down anywhere as much and you even have a wee display notice beside the phone saying something like "call for assistance to demonstrate the features" and everywhere you look, you just see GS 4 posters.... this is where HTC and other companies fail big time and is what cost them their sales, X company could have the very best product by miles, however, what is the point if you have Y company that has a device, which isn't as good but are paying/bribing the shops more in order (more than other companies) to push their devices onto the customers?? In that situation, what do you think is going to appeal to the average joe customer more....
Plus HTC need to branch out to more market areas in order to create more brand presence as at the minute, average joes probably view HTC like what we view ZTE etc.
The GS 4 is not the best selling phone purely because of the SD slot and/or removable battery and/or its software gimmicks/features (maybe it is for the likes of most of the people on this forum but not for the mass consumer i.e. average joes and you can quite clearly see this isn't the case as apple aren't having problems with their iphones and sales.....) or/and because it is free of faults (how many note II and GS 3 devices died last year from the sudden death issue?? Surely that would leave a bad taste??? Not to mention when it took Samsung so long to admit that there was a problem let alone fix it.....EDIT: Oh and their awful repair service too! Blaming it on water damage......), GS 4 has more serious issues compared to the one currently i.e. over heating, poor performance in real world usage, screen issues (be it pink/purple tint, red pixels, screen glass or/and AMOLED breaking/cracking with slight pressure), audio issues etc. The one's issues are mainly cosmetic and some aren't even "issues" i.e. that tiny tiny gap at the top/bottom which doesn't even measure in at 1mm can hardly be consider an issue since it normal as the speaker covers aren't part of the zero gap body, if that is consider an issue then every single phone has that issue especially the GS 4, check the camera lens area and back cover parts:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05710-1366741454.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05555.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05553.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05538.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/04/dsc05492.jpg
Heck Samsung could have just released the exact same phone as the GS 3 but with that 1080P screen and they would have still have sold the same amount as what they currently have with the GS 4.
It is just like everything these days especially the game and film industry, you hype and market the **** out of the stuff, they sell millions, however, be bloody awful, you then have your GOTY and film of the year that doesn't sell as well due to the lack of marketing.
/rant
Anyway, back on topic, as I was saying, this could be a good thing, getting new and better people in to carry out those jobs and get some fresh ideas.
Sounds like the CEO needs to go as well......