I have an Cingular 8525 and two of my buddies have another 8525 and a softbank X01HT. Why do my pictures suck in the dark and there's don't. They have the same good quality in the dark while my pictures come out very blurred and dark. I checked the adjustments and they were the same. Me and my friend both have the same rom on the 8525 and everything! I don't get it? Did HTC start shipping different lenses after time? Has anyone else noticed this?
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I have an Cingular 8525 and two of my buddies have another 8525 and a softbank X01HT. Why do my pictures suck in the dark and there's don't. They have the same good quality in the dark while my pictures come out very blurred and dark. I checked the adjustments and they were the same. Me and my friend both have the same rom on the 8525 and everything! I don't get it? Did HTC start shipping different lenses after time? Has anyone else noticed this?
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My Tytn is not good in the dark. I doudt there is anychange in the lens but there may well be a difference in the auto light level increments. Before you ask how you could change that - I don't know. Don't even know if it's possible.
Mike
I dont believe that this is caused by lens. maybe version of Camera program is little bit different or some DLL file (but you said, it is the same). anyway you can compare it or try version from Trinity (it is here somewhere) but this version have not comfortable installation and do not support front camera and light I guess. But if your device is newer like the others, then maybe HTC used different (and perhaps cheaper) CMOS chip - I dont know, it is only speculation, but it is nothing unusually when electronic company uses cheaper components in newer pieces.
Ill try to get a picture so you guys can see the difference and what I mean. Adjusting the settings does nothing, in fact, it makes it worse for mine...
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Ill try to get a picture so you guys can see the difference and what I mean. Adjusting the settings does nothing, in fact, it makes it worse for mine...
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That would be interesting to see. It's not that we don't believe you, just that we don't think it's the lens that is different. My Tytn as I said above is very very poor at night but great for sunny day photos. I think in my older Tytn it is set too low for light exposure. It seems to adjust itself in incremental steps to the light level but in dark conditions it does not give nearly high enough a light exposure level. It is entirely possible in later/different models this hard coding has been adjusted for better results.
Mike
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That would be interesting to see. It's not that we don't believe you, just that we don't think it's the lens that is different. My Tytn as I said above is very very poor at night but great for sunny day photos. I think in my older Tytn it is set too low for light exposure. It seems to adjust itself in incremental steps to the light level but in dark conditions it does not give nearly high enough a light exposure level. It is entirely possible in later/different models this hard coding has been adjusted for better results.
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Ya, I just want you guys to see it. It's not a minor difference. Mine is so bad I don't even try to take photos at night, while my buddies' has unbelievable night photos...damn htc!
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Ya, I just want you guys to see it. It's not a minor difference. Mine is so bad I don't even try to take photos at night, while my buddies' has unbelievable night photos...damn htc!
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I feel your pain, I have this problem with mine (TyTN) too. It takes really bad pictures in dark areas, and most pictures look too dark and blurry even when there is a decent amount of light. I saw many cheaper phones doing a much better job. Really a shame.
My htc tytn also takes crappy night pictures. the front camera takes better ones at night. hell every other cell phone i had in the past and all of my friends phones take better night pictures.
very lame on htcs part.
is there a way to change how the camera detects light in video or still mode. the camera keeps adjusting to much during different contrast of the back ground that is being recorded
with a well lit area. i would like to sample the light of one area and lock its exposer time permanently.
Could it be software related? I mean, i've installed now Black Satin and i have the impression that the photoquality has gone down in the dark compared with the Black Dymond release. Or am i just imagining things?
I have only seen 4 galaxy tab 7.7's so far and I noticed all 4 of them really have bad white levels as compared to my galaxy note, disabled the auto power saving and there is a difference in white levels but its still not even close to the galaxy note at the same brightness level. Even at brightness 25% on the note the vs 100% on the tab 7.7shows 'dimmer'whites. This is not a rant but I'm just asking if the screens are calibrated that way or should I keep looking?
Also I noticed that the mdine engine oon the tab provides oversharpening to a lot of my photos and its so obvious and makes the images look bd, supercurio has the same findings.
It is a pretty big screen so it may be they limited the brightnes to save battery power. While the claim is that OLED takes less power than LCD that is not always true. When displaying white, OLED tech uses like 4X as much power as LCD. The power saving comes in when displaying images with medium to darker colors.
What is the "mdine engine"? Is this something that can be bypassed by using a different picture viewing app?
It is amazing how Samsung seems to always add some crappy image "enhancement" like DnIE or such crap. Why can't they just leave our images alone, as we meant them to be? It is freakin' OLED man. You don't need any contrast or sharpness enhancement you knuckleheads! OLED by nature is sharp and has great contrast! Duh!
I don't know. My 7.7 is super bright, sharp and with way warmer colors than my Note.
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It is a pretty big screen so it may be they limited the brightnes to save battery power. While the claim is that OLED takes less power than LCD that is not always true. When displaying white, OLED tech uses like 4X as much power as LCD. The power saving comes in when displaying images with medium to darker colors.
What is the "mdine engine"? Is this something that can be bypassed by using a different picture viewing app?
It is amazing how Samsung seems to always add some crappy image "enhancement" like DnIE or such crap. Why can't they just leave our images alone, as we meant them to be? It is freakin' OLED man. You don't need any contrast or sharpness enhancement you knuckleheads! OLED by nature is sharp and has great contrast! Duh!
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I'm thinking the samr thing that samsung might ne limiting how bright the whites can go duebto the screen size but based on what I've seen on samoleds some screens juat put out better white levels, not really brighter but whiter.
For the mdine its running system wide.
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I don't know. My 7.7 is super bright, sharp and with way warmer colors than my Note.
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The samoled plus tends to have more warmer colors than the samoled, is the whites on your tab 7.7 'whiter' than on the note at the same brightness level?
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For the mdine its running system wide.
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Is there a way to shut it off or bypass it somehow?
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Is there a way to shut it off or bypass it somehow?
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Yes I believe so, Supercurio knows more about that stuff.
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simulated example done in photoshop, anyone with the tab7.7 and better photoshop skills feel free to redo this simulated image
Perhaps one of the other reason that the 7.7's screen isn't quite as bright, apart from the obvious power saving reasons, is an effort to possibly reduce the OLED degradation (burn-in) effect.
Either way, although I certainly noticed out of the box that my 7.7 wasn't as bright as my Note (or even my GS2 for that matter!), I was never really bothered by it because (especially when you use movie mode) the colour reproduction is very accurate, and paired up with the contrast levels, it's still fantastic!
I guess, to me, white doesn't necessarily mean I need to put on a pair of sunglasses while looking at my screen lol!
I just wanted to know if the norm has lower white levels, what bothers me more is added sharpening on some images.
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I just wanted to know if the norm has lower white levels, what bothers me more is added sharpening on some images.
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Have you tried using the movie mode? Settings => Screen => Mode
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Have you tried using the movie mode? Settings => Screen => Mode
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I havent but id imagine thats gonna give a yellowish cast on the entire screen. I didnt get the tab yet as the store units I tried had very obvious screen problems. Gonna wait for a the next batch to arrive.
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I havent but id imagine thats gonna give a yellowish cast on the entire screen. I didnt get the tab yet as the store units I tried had very obvious screen problems. Gonna wait for a the next batch to arrive.
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Yellowish? Not at all! At least not with my unit anyway. Sure it makes the screen generally warmer in colour, but IMO, more than anything, it makes the colours look more accurate and natural.
Give it a try! You never know until you do...
Black Levels.. now White Levels, you are a very picky person EarlZ...
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Black Levels.. now White Levels, you are a very picky person EarlZ...
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Since when was it wrong to ask for more product information on what is the norm, if you've got nothing to contribute stay away instead of starting a flamebait.
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Yellowish? Not at all! At least not with my unit anyway. Sure it makes the screen generally warmer in colour, but IMO, more than anything, it makes the colours look more accurate and natural.
Give it a try! You never know until you do...
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Well ever since the Galaxy S changing the color mode to movie mode gives a yellowish cast, this is probably dependent on the calibration on the screen we get in the first place. I saw a friend's Tab7.7 the other day and his white levels were really brighter than my Galaxy Note. FWIW, its still a luck of the draw when it comes to color calibration on the screen. But thanks for that tip, when I'll purchase the Tab I'll make sure to also check out movie mode and see if it hits my requirements.
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Since when was it wrong to ask for more product information on what is the norm, if you've got nothing to contribute stay away instead of starting a flamebait.
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it was a friendly comment kababayan, you got it wrong
i have mine set to vibrant... rather like it like that.
it's just a shame it's SOOOO darn bright!
i cant use it t night!
even with screenfilter and other apps... no worky on amoled
FernandoMiguel said:
i have mine set to vibrant... rather like it like that.
it's just a shame it's SOOOO darn bright!
i cant use it t night!
even with screenfilter and other apps... no worky on amoled
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Very bright noticed the same with the Note ,
Nexus was somewhat easier on the eyes at night,
But probably like you I like a very dim screen at night.
When the brightness is turned all the way down on the 7.7,
is any banding or other issues seen like many report on the Note?
Blacks are black I'm sure but how are greys that are near black.
On the Nexus they were fine, but on the Notes I seen they could have been darker?
Sony, why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OgN7fSbgxU
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/189f/cr44xqo6abt2wy3fg.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8d86/6gc5rrrtr412h2dfg.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x899q50/538/PrHm5r.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x899q50/540/TKHy7h.jpg
May be just a defective model? Tried to replace it?
Sony loves color tint on its camera first purple then red
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May be just a defective model? Tried to replace it?
Sony loves color tint on its camera first purple then red
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This is not my tests. This defect in the software, it does not always correctly defines color balance
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzHhz6rJxH0&list=UUYRkOO_tpXUtlrk4ojpZesA
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This is not my tests. This defect in the software, it does not always correctly defines color balance
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Cant see YouTube wid my college wifi....
Report it to sony mobile forum...they may have a look at it..
I wouldnt say a red tint...
Galaxy Alphas video colours are much warmer and Z3's is more neutral.
Pretty sure the colours can be tweaked.
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I wouldnt say a red tint...
Galaxy Alphas video colours are much warmer and Z3's is more neutral.
Pretty sure the colours can be tweaked.
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I wouldnt agree....redness is seen specially on the steel part of the pic...which should be silver greyish
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I wouldnt say a red tint...
Galaxy Alphas video colours are much warmer and Z3's is more neutral.
Pretty sure the colours can be tweaked.
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Look at the clouds and the wall of the house
I'm not seeing any problems either.
I dont see a problem either. you can choose the white balance and it'll look just like the galaxy alpha if thats what you like. maybe sony should default to that mode because its pleasing to the eye and would get more buyers.. exactly why samsung and apple do it.
also, what with people all uploading 4k recordings at 720p? thats kinda defeating the purpose a bit...
I think it appears only in the video
Photos is very good
Xperia z3 have the same problem
The video is really bad - colours are way off. It's nothing like as noticeable in the photos, with the exception of the ferris wheel. It's pretty obvious on that one.
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The video is really bad - colours are way off. It's nothing like as noticeable in the photos, with the exception of the ferris wheel. It's pretty obvious on that one.
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z3 videos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/white-balance-video-t2889760
same. good photos, but bad videos
hello, 2 days ago i bought a refurbished gs5, right out of the box i felt like there's something wrong with it..
when im looking at the screen (especially on a white background) i can see its yellow-greenish. when i tilt the phone forward and backwards (taking the bottom part of the phone closer to me/further away from me)
the colors are perfect, like my brother's lg g3. what is the deal? is the screen defective? is it normal for this type of screen? the s5's screen is brighter than the lg g3, just for the record.
when i watch youtube videos, everything is greenish, when i tilt it a little bit, it looks almost as good as my dell ultrasharp monitor.
thanks in advance..
No, it is not normal. I might as well return it and get another one. I bought a SH unit and it came with minor burn-in, but that's not as bad as the yellow-greenish tint you're mentioning. Does it happen in download mode too? Or in recovery, if it's rooted with custom recovery. If yes, time to swap it for another refurbished. If not, we'll see.
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No, it is not normal. I might as well return it and get another one. I bought a SH unit and it came with minor burn-in, but that's not as bad as the yellow-greenish tint you're mentioning. Does it happen in download mode too? Or in recovery, if it's rooted with custom recovery. If yes, time to swap it for another refurbished. If not, we'll see.
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thank you for your reply!
the rom is stock. after using the phone a bit, i feel this tint is just normal. its not VERY yellow, but when im watching vids faces look a bit greenish. its not critical, but not very accurate. still, when the screen is dimmed, it has a lot more contrast and looks much better than the washed out lg g3's screen (when its dimmed).
look, it might be just the way the screen looks. compared to the lg g3, is has a lot more contrast, but when im looking at images, the lg looks identical to my dell monitor (im a photographer so its very important to me), are you sure the galaxy is supposed to be accurate? are the white supposed to look as the lg? on the g3 the whites are a bit red, on the galaxy they're a bit yellow-greenish, but when i look at photos i took, the galaxy looks too warm. when i tilt it a bit, the whites turn a bit blueish, but its still better and more accurate than the yellow it normally is. are you completely sure it isnt the general look of this particular screen?
just for the record, its still yellowish in download mode
sorry for the long comment, im just trying to figure out what to do.,
AMOLED is over-saturated because Samsung is Samsung. Check a custom kernel which will be able to let you tweak the colours. I recommend Boeffla Kernel, because it lets you modify: R G B value, saturation, Hue, Display value and Contrast. Play around with all of those settings if you want to fix it using software.
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AMOLED is over-saturated because Samsung is Samsung. Check a custom kernel which will be able to let you tweak the colours. I recommend Boeffla Kernel, because it lets you modify: R G B value, saturation, Hue, Display value and Contrast. Play around with all of those settings if you want to fix it using software.
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thank you my friend. just for clarification, when you view a white background at "cinema" mode (which is the most color accurate) are the whites yellowish? when viewing in "Standard" mode, the whites are pretty good, but colors are SO SATURATED. and again, thank you my friend!
To my eye, the colours look washed-out, but that is because I am used to the oversaturation of the AMOLED. And yes, the white is yellow-ish.
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To my eye, the colours look washed-out, but that is because I am used to the oversaturation of the AMOLED. And yes, the white is yellow-ish.
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just tell me if this is normal. the phone above is lg g3, gs5 below..
http://i.imgur.com/WdTdYWp.jpg
i cant seem to get the image to show here, i hope you dont mind. if you do, ill try in a different site.
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just tell me if this is normal. the phone above is lg g3, gs5 below..
http://i.imgur.com/WdTdYWp.jpg
i cant seem to get the image to show here, i hope you dont mind. if you do, ill try in a different site.
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How can I put it, uh, the S5 seems to be fine. The G3 is more vibrant, to be honest, but there is nothing wrong with the S5 in my opinion. Again, this is through my eyes, which are very different (and slanted), because 1/2 Jap, the colours on the AMOLED are better than on the LCD. Do you have both phones at the same brightness, and the colours are set nearly the same? Because that can sometimes make the difference. Send me that image, i'll load it on my Galaxy S5 and take a picture to show you how my screen fares.
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How can I put it, uh, the S5 seems to be fine. The G3 is more vibrant, to be honest, but there is nothing wrong with the S5 in my opinion. Again, this is through my eyes, which are very different (and slanted), because 1/2 Jap, the colours on the AMOLED are better than on the LCD. Do you have both phones at the same brightness, and the colours are set nearly the same? Because that can sometimes make the difference. Send me that image, i'll load it on my Galaxy S5 and take a picture to show you how my screen fares.
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the gs5 colors arent better, they're too warm :\.. in the photo the colors arent accurate, because the screens are too bright, but the lg g3 is identical to my dell monitor, the galaxy s5 is very warm and causes images to look almost orange. i shot the image of the gs5 and the lg g3 with my dslr, so it will look different than if you shot your gs5 with a phone camera. anyway, look at the image, tell me what you see at "standard" mode, tell me if the colors of the image look warm, and if looking at a bit of an angle changes the warmth of the colors to be colder (and much more accurate). thank you mate for the help.
for the record, the lg g3 look less greenish in real life, and the gs5 looks a tiny bit less warm. the photo (of the 2 phones) isnt accurate, but its close.
http://i.imgur.com/rKso7q3.jpg
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the gs5 colors arent better, they're too warm :\.. in the photo the colors arent accurate, because the screens are too bright, but the lg g3 is identical to my dell monitor, the galaxy s5 is very warm and causes images to look almost orange. i shot the image of the gs5 and the lg g3 with my dslr, so it will look different than if you shot your gs5 with a phone camera. anyway, look at the image, tell me what you see at "standard" mode, tell me if the colors of the image look warm, and if looking at a bit of an angle changes the warmth of the colors to be colder (and much more accurate). thank you mate for the help.
for the record, the lg g3 look less greenish in real life, and the gs5 looks a tiny bit less warm. the photo (of the 2 phones) isnt accurate, but its close.
http://i.imgur.com/rKso7q3.jpg
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I see what you did there. I loaded the image on my S5 and, to sum it up, at least on my phone, with my eyes, comparing it with my 17" Samsung Syncmaster monitor, the colours on my screen look the same as in the G3 in your picture. I have my screen on Adapt Display. And in cinema mode, the colours are ~1:1 when putting my S5 next to your G3 in the picture, so yeah, your S5's screen is miscalibrated i suppose.
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I see what you did there. I loaded the image on my S5 and, to sum it up, at least on my phone, with my eyes, comparing it with my 17" Samsung Syncmaster monitor, the colours on my screen look the same as in the G3 in your picture. I have my screen on Adapt Display. And in cinema mode, the colours are ~1:1 when putting my S5 next to your G3 in the picture, so yeah, your S5's screen is miscalibrated i suppose.
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thank you so much my friend. ill go to the store and get a replacement. cheers!
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thank you so much my friend. ill go to the store and get a replacement. cheers!
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If the replacement also has these problems, just quote me back. Or just quote me back and keep me updated. When I will go to one of friends' place, where they have really professional monitors, i might as well compare the colours.
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If the replacement also has these problems, just quote me back. Or just quote me back and keep me updated. When I will go to one of friends' place, where they have really professional monitors, i might as well compare the colours.
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ok i will, and just for the record, when you tilt your phone a bit, do the colors get colder ? or is it the same as when you look straight at it?
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ok i will, and just for the record, when you tilt your phone a bit, do the colors get colder ? or is it the same as when you look straight at it?
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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thank you. now i know for sure my screen is bad
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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look at this mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVrm73sAnUs
im experiencing the same thing. when tilting like that the screen gets colder, just like in the video. are you completely sure its not normal? i feel like its just the way the screen is. but if you're telling me it doesnt look like in the video, im returning it.
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look at this mate
im experiencing the same thing. when tilting like that the screen gets colder, just like in the video. are you completely sure its not normal? i feel like its just the way the screen is. but if you're telling me it doesnt look like in the video, im returning it.
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Now with an actual example, i can confirm to you that on the white google background the screen gets colder when you tilt it like in the video. And it also has some green tinting on the bottom. Again, our eyes are different, and this is my retina, my phone and my brain.
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Now with an actual example, i can confirm to you that on the white google background the screen gets colder when you tilt it like in the video. And it also has some green tinting on the bottom. Again, our eyes are different, and this is my retina, my phone and my brain.
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true.. one last thing, i have stock 6.0.1, when i change the display mode to "cinema" from "standard", the colors are accurate, but the whites are yellowish, when i change it to "standard", the whites are white, but the colors are over saturated and unrealistic. do you experience the same thing?
when i change to "dynamic", colors and whites on the internet, photos, video and such, look amazing and almost identical to my dell, but in games it looks just like standard mode, over saturated and too bright. im frustrated!
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true.. one last thing, i have stock 6.0.1, when i change the display mode to "cinema" from "standard", the colors are accurate, but the whites are yellowish, when i change it to "standard", the whites are white, but the colors are over saturated and unrealistic. do you experience the same thing?
when i change to "dynamic", colors and whites on the internet, photos, video and such, look amazing and almost identical to my dell, but in games it looks just like standard mode, over saturated and too bright. im frustrated!
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In dynamic, it changes according to what android thinks its on screen, or rather said, what colour profiles Samsung defined for games, internet, pictures, movies and so on. Unfortunately, with the properties of OLED, cinema mode tends to have rubbish whites. That's because the panel is OLED and your DELL is LCD, no matter if its TN, VA or IPS. The difference in technology is the base of your "issue". I keep my S5 on Adapt Display and forget about colour accuracy because AMOLEDs are natively over-saturated.
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In dynamic, it changes according to what android thinks its on screen, or rather said, what colour profiles Samsung defined for games, internet, pictures, movies and so on. Unfortunately, with the properties of OLED, cinema mode tends to have rubbish whites. That's because the panel is OLED and your DELL is LCD, no matter if its TN, VA or IPS. The difference in technology is the base of your "issue". I keep my S5 on Adapt Display and forget about colour accuracy because AMOLEDs are natively over-saturated.
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yeah then i think my gs5 is perfectly "normal" lol. ill just keep it at adaptive, its the most accurate for photos. by the way, my friend's gs6 looks a lot better. in cinema mode the whites are actually white, and the colors are better than the s5. i guess samsung improved it over the s5. i only paid 220$ for the phone (its considered cheap in my country, prices are horrible here) and i have a one year warranty. ill just keep it, its better than the lg g3 in sunlight, and when i dim the galaxy to 40%, its brighter and nicer to look at than the lg g3 at 60%. weird. well, thank you for the help, i guess im done here haha