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ya... and? it's called being throttled... 10gb in a month, really? how much porn are you downloading lol. anyway, they andother carriers will do this to free up bandwidth for moderate users ....and its still unlimited because you're not being charged any "overage"
10 gigs is a lot of data, especially on a cell phone. I 'm on the web all the time and don't even come close. And I use Slacker a lot as well. THe only thing I don't really do is tether so I guess that could boost your data but still 10 gigs is a lot.
My Comcast has 250gb limit, i don't agree with it but they all do it.
Find yourself a hotspot and enable wifi. Half the time it's faster than 3G anyway.
what are you saying? it's perfect! Other companies let you go past their puny 2-5 GB/month data limit and then charge you huge overages or cut you off completely from data. With T-Mo you don't get charged extra, 10GB is a lot for a month, and when you go over you can still use data, albeit slowly, so you still receive those tweets.
Best company ever, man
I have seen somebody use over 20gb a month on there iPhone and was not sent a message from AT&T or had to pay any overage charger or be forced to have a reduced bandwidth. It's truly unlimited Internet.
Throttling is a common practice with most providers. Tethering though, believe it or not, is actually against your T-mobile terms of use...and if you reached 10gb's of data without tethering you need to go outside lol. So...if you were tethering, you shouldn't be complaining that they put a cap on internet to prevent you from overusing a system illicitly. They could just claim breach of your contract lol...though I've never seen it done before...
when did tethering become"against terms of use "I remember back in the day calling up customer care and they walked me through the tethering process. I had the 3.99tzones hack and was happily using edge to stream internet radio as tmo was and is stil lmy only isp. nowadays netflix streams fine over 3g on the 9.99 web2go...I don't think I've ever been throttled haha! (sounds funny) I don't kno what my data usage is though...
Geez...I tether everyday, and its myself and 2 other individuals who use my connection. Plus normal web browsing and pandora on my HD2 on almost a daily basis and I have never come close to the 10Gig limit.
...the fact is, even thought they throttle you after 10gigs (which is an absurd amount anyhow) you can still access the web from your phone right? So since you still have an active connection that means its still unlimited...they are just not allowing you to continue to download torrents or use your phone as your home ISP replacement for the rest of the month.
Tethering is not against Tmobiles TOS. You can find step by step guides on their forums on how to tether with wimo and blackberry. The only one it doesnt support but isnt against your TOS is android because you have to root your phone which voids the warranty.
Tethering IS against you TOS
Tethering any 3G phone is explicitly against the terms and conditions of you service agreement with T-Mobile. Tethering was never explicitly allowed by the terms and conditions, but it was not actively monitored by T-mobile. Since edge speeds and low data usage were not likely to cause network issues, T-mobile unofficially supported it. This is the same as the way you can call T-mobile tech support for assistance with an unlocked iPhone.
3G tethering is explicitly against the TOS and is actively being shut down, I have had a hand full of customers come in to the store when their tethering was blocked since it began a couple of months back.
Those of you who think that tethering is permitted, had better read your terms of service again...your sorely mistaken:
Here is the current TOS: http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/P...&PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions&print=true
Section 29: Subsection 1: (near the bottom of the page)
1. Permissible and Prohibited Uses
Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, tethering your device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted.
Subsection 2 covers throttling and the fact that if you do tether they can suspend or cancel your account.
So since when has it been against TOS? Since as long as I can remember LOL. And if it wasn't back in the day...it is now.
The TOS should really be stickied so that people don't think it's okay.
Are you seriously complaining about getting throttled after using over 10gb of data??? Grow the eff up and stop using your cellphone as your internet connection to you computer. Tethering was meant for mobile users to have access to the internet while they were away from available WAPs. It wasn't meant for some 40 year old virgin to download porn all day. ******.
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I have to totally agree with you...LOLOLOLOL
+1 there... LOL
While I was at the Tmo store getting a new sim card I happened to ask the guy helping if tethering was allowed. He said it was as long as the phone supported it and you didn't go over the 10gb limit. My wife has been tethering her winmo phone for 2 years now and they have never said anything to us. although she's not downloading porn all day she does use it when she goes over to a friend's house that doesn't have internet. That being said, I don't doubt that it is against TOS but I doubt they will say anything as long as your not over stepping your boundaries.
2. Protective Measures
To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth; if your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change; please periodically check T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. We may also suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, Plan, or service if you use your Data Plan in a manner that interferes with other customers’ service, our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or that otherwise may degrade service quality for other customers.
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So basically it is up to TMOBILE to take (or not to take) actions if you exceed your allowed usage. Kinda went out of the subject matter a lil bit. I remember the title of this page was - !!!Beware!!!!!T-mobile Data Unlimited plan has Limit
I have been tethering using T-Mobile internet options for more than 7 years. Since I am considerate, I don't worry anything negative.
I don't mind people tethering whatsoever. What I mind is when people come onto a site dedicated to helping each other out; complaining that they are getting throttled because they are too inconsiderate to realize they are screwing other people over.
I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .
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I've been tethering for a while now with my phone and I noticed that lately it seems like my internet stops working after a while. Sometimes it will let me download as much as 2GBs then it starts kicking me off minutes after I begin tethering.
Is Sprint able to see if I'm tethering now? I don't care to much either way I'm fine using my phone to download the things I need. It's just sometimes my downloads fail after reaching 100% so I like to use my PC more.
I have noticed that I've used 50GB this month .
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So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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obsanity said:
So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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actualy they can tell and torrent downloaders are so easy spot, and im pretty sure torrent downloading might be in the fine print somewhere.
Oh also your so cool bro replacing home internet with sprints weak 3g/4g service that does not have any net neatrilty laws lol you will be gone sooner or later
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I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.
Yeah. Eventually when all the unlimited plans are gone at least we'll know why.
Also, sprint can tell your tethering, they're just not actively doing anything about it yet. After all when you are on 3G or 4G you go through their IP gateway and they can control what you see and can tell what you're using to see it. The only way to prevent that would be through vpn and maybe some https but headers still have to go through clean.
P2P is probably the easiest to detect even if encrypted so good luck trying to get your number back after they close your account.
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True, i would hope the systems are able to track it with all the tracking a smartphone is capable of especially just knowing the browser type they should be able to see who's tethering. I'm really curious to see how this plays out over the next year or two with data usage.
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That's BS. Don't throw claims around no one knows are true. I tether and the other sprint 4g phones in my household don't take a hit in bandwidth. The amount of people that tether alot or a small minority compared to people that don't. Blame sprint for not giving you a good connection, not us. Anywho, back to this torrent...
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No definitely you guys
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I read recently sprint was pulling tethering apps from the market so they may be trying to weed out some in addition the recent 5GB cap on hotspot, i'm sure they are fine tuning their system to track data in different manners. Currently they cant even separate hotspot and phone data, that should serve interesting to how they implement overages.
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Actually they can
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Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.
obsanity said:
So its because of people like you I get slow connections whenever I try to open any website on my phone if I can't use a wifi.
Ever heard of cable internet?
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Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.
They may be able to on a backend but sprint.com and their billing system doesn't show the difference. Currently if you call sprint and ask for your hotspots usage they cannot provide an answer.
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Don't believe anyone who says they cannot tell if your tethering. All they have to do is check what the source and destination mac address using a program such as wireshark to sniff the IP of your phone.
Also don't believe anyone who says your phone is affecting their bandwidth. Bandwidth depends on signal strength and how much bandwidth they are using on their 3g 4g frequencies they use. Its different everywhere for every tower and has to do with the type of license they were able to obtain from the fcc for the tower you are using.
As far as your question regarding sprint killing your downloads, you would need to find a way to sniff you phone's 3g/4g connection to find out whats killing the packets. i would guess that its probably an issue with the connection(s) timing out for high ping times. i don't know if there is a way to manually adjust the ttl in android.
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Yes but torenting is easy to spot due the way it downloads parts of bytes from different spots
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Windst said:
Sprint told me to root my phone and tether.
I don't think they check.
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Really????
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dowmace said:
Guess what jackass not everyone has cable availability. I live in the county and I don't have cable, or DSL available. In fact as of this year I can no longer get a phone line to my home. The only options some of us have are satellite internet or tethering.
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There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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obsanity said:
There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?
obsanity said:
There are means to tether when you have no options. I was pointing out the ops ignorant approach to data usage since he clearly has a different internet connection but still chooses to use the phone.
Keep your jackass to yourself.
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I never said I have another internet connection. I said I could simply just download the files with my phone. I preferred to use my PC instead because I can avoid having to transfer files.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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You blamed him for your data speeds. If he is causing low data speeds, then how do the people legitimately tethering not effect your speeds?
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Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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obsanity said:
Sprint would accommodate for that. But because people abuse the otherwise would be fair use type of tether system, soon people such as yourself, who can't have any other access will be either limited to a ridiculous 5GB per month or not have the ability at all.
For people like myself who ocasonally use tether without tether plan (because of root access) to check some emails/web when stranded without wifi access, Sprint may disable that all together and we'll be forced to pay the $30 per month fee for the 1 or 2 times a year of 100-200MB of data used.
That's why I can't stand people abusing it. And for the op... if you truly do not have any other means of getting a wired data line, I hope you are at least paying for it even though it may no longer be unlimited.
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Obsanity, Were I can definitely understand your frustration with sprints slow network (I feel the same way), Sprint advertises unlimited data on smartphones. regardless of him paying for tethering (which he should pay for), data is data, and its all 1's and 0's and therefor is a mute point. People that tether without paying for it are not cause of slow data, however they will be the cause of tiered data plans. Until that happens chill out and relax. If you have a signal , -60db or better, then call sprint and have them take a look at the tower. if they insist its your phone, have them replace it. if they won't look at the tower, thank them for their time and file a complaint with the fcc.
long read.. posted in its entirety to clearly illustrate AT&T's intentions..utterly infuriating... here it is..
Chat InformationPlease wait for a chat representative to respond.
Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Kaethryn Walker'
Kaethryn Walker: Hello, I understand that you just got a text saying high data usage warning. Is that correct?
rick riego: yes
Kaethryn Walker: I am sorry for the problems you are having with your service. I'll be happy to look into this issue for you. Please allow me 2-3 minutes to verify your account. In the meantime; I would like to share some information about the self service features available to you through this online account. Did you know, you can add/remove features; suspend/restore your service; and access in-depth device tutorials at your leisure?
Kaethryn Walker: I am going to look into your issue. Please be patient. I will be back in 3 to 4 minutes.
rick riego: i guarantee i am nowhere near the top 5% data users at barely over 2 gig. the data rates are slow enough and now im being threatened to be throttled when my usage is EXTREMELY low?
rick riego: ok
Kaethryn Walker: Mr Riego, I just checked your account and your usage. You have only used 1.66 GB of data. I can't explain why you got that message & I apologize. The only customers that are supposed to get any sort of Correspondence about Extreme Data Usage are the ones still on the Expired Unlimited Data Plans because these all have a Soft Cap of 5 GB. Even so, the customer will only be notified if they exceed that 5 GB Soft Cap excessively and on a regular basis. In addition, we do not slow down data speed for High Usage customers.
Kaethryn Walker: I am very sorry for the inconvenience and confusion and suggest that you disregard that text but certainly contact us if you continue to receive anymore notices like that.
rick riego: ty for checking. i am worried as i do not trust that the co wont start thgrottling my data rate which btw is not anywhere close to 4g even though i purchased outright a "4g" phone. so yes.. having rcvd this msg in error..i will not be surprised if my data rates drop all the sudden to next to nothing .
rick riego: ok.. i will continue to monitor my usage and data rates as always.. i just hope this is just a fluke. ty for ur time.
Kaethryn Walker: I know people are under the impression that AT&T does throttle back the Data Speed for High Data Users but that is not true. AT&T has no policy in place that reduces Data Speed depending on the amount of data used.
rick riego: there was an official release saying att will begin that practice as of oct 1st..
rick riego: it was an email btw not text..but it explicitly states that att will engage in tht practice..
Kaethryn Walker: We have not been notified of an official policy change concerning AT&T and nothing of that sort of Policy change has been suggested by AT&T at this time.
Kaethryn Walker: There have been several commercials by competitors suggesting this but they are in fact incorrect.
Kaethryn Walker: I would appreciate if you could forward that email to -------------].
rick riego: i juust archived the email and im not sure how to retrieve it or i would copy paste it.. no mistaking. that is what it said. anyway..wait..i found it
rick riego: Like other wireless companies, AT&T is taking steps to manage exploding demand for mobile data. We're responding on many levels, including investing billions in our wireless network this year and working to acquire more network capacity. As mentioned on a previous bill, we're also taking additional, more immediate steps to help address network congestion and improve reliability. One of these steps involves a change for some customers who use extraordinarily large amounts of data in a single billing period - about 12 times more data than the average smartphone user. For the current billing cycle, your data usage indicates you could be affected by this change. Here's how it works: Smartphone customers with unlimited data plans may experience reduced speeds once their usage in a billing cycle reaches the level that puts them among the top 5 percent of heaviest data users. These customers can still use unlimited data and their speeds will be restored with the start of the next billing cycle. We're writing because you are in the top 5 percent of heaviest data users for this billing cycle. Because we recognize that data usage can change from month to month, you will not see reduced speeds this billing cycle. Beginning with your next billing cycle, we'll send you a text message if you are approaching the top 5 percent of heaviest data users. We'll also send you a second text message if you cross into the top 5 percent of heaviest users, at which point you may see reduced speeds for the rest of the month. Customers have several ways to manage extremely high data usage. Wi-Fi offers great speeds and doesn't add to your wireless data usage. Consider using Wi-Fi when possible for applications that use the highest amounts of data, such as streaming video apps, remote web camera apps, large data-file transfers (like video) and some online gaming. You may also consider switching to a tiered data plan if speed is more important to you than having an unlimited data plan. Customers on tiered plans can pay for more data if they need it, and will not see reduced speeds. To estimate how much data different activities use, and find out more about Wi-Fi or tiered data plans, visit [url]https://www.att.com/dataplans[/url] or call Customer Care at 800-331-0500.
Kaethryn Walker: Could you forward that to me so I can see where it came from, please?
rick riego: to an email?
Kaethryn Walker: [email]--------------]
rick riego: ok..
rick riego: sent
Kaethryn Walker: Thank you.
rick riego: ty for ur concern
Kaethryn Walker: You're welcome. I am going to look into your issue. Please be patient. I will be back in 3 to 4 minutes.
rick riego: ty...i will b here
Kaethryn Walker: I did check with a Supervisor about this issue and you are correct. This is because you are one of the customers that are on one the the Expired Unlimited Data Plan (with the Soft Cap). Apparently, they are basing this on the average data use across the country by the top 5% of AT&T Smartphone customers was 2GB per month, as of August 2011.
Kaethryn Walker: To rank among the top 5%, you must use an extraordinary amount of data in a single billing period. It’s not how much time you spend using your device, it’s what you do with it. You can send or receive thousands of e-mails, surf thousands of Web pages and watch hours of streaming video every month and not be in the top 5% of Smartphone Data Users.
rick riego: i understand that... but my usage is rt at 2 gig....thats next to nothing
rick riego: if thats the top 5% then people are averaging like 30 Mb a month... not happening.
Kaethryn Walker: But 2 GB is the average data use across the country by the top 5% of AT&T Smartphone customers, as of August 2011.
rick riego: well..i hope this email was a fluke as mu usage is nowhere near excessive..
rick riego: WAIT..SO AT OR AROUND 2 GB OF USAGE A MONTH I AM IN THE TOP 5% AND THEREFORE WILL BE THROTTLED?...? IS THAT WHAT I AM BEING TOLD?
Kaethryn Walker: These are your options to avoid reduced data speeds:
Kaethryn Walker: You can avoid reduced speeds by setting your smartphone to use Wi-Fi, which does not count against your wireless data usage. AT&T smartphone customers have unlimited access to our entire Wi-Fi network, with more than 27,000 hotspots, at no additional cost. They can also use Wi-Fi at home and in the office. You can visit [url]www.attwifi.com[/url] for Wi-Fi details and locations.
Kaethryn Walker: You can also reduce the amount of data you use when you are not using Wi-Fi. To get an estimate of how much data is used by different activities, check out our data calculator tool at [url]www.att.com/dataplans[/url] .
Kaethryn Walker: We recommend you try to keep your monthly data consumption to 2GB or less to avoid speed slowing.
Kaethryn Walker: Also, if speed is of top importance, you may wish to switch to a tiered usage data plan.
rick riego: speed is not a top priority.. but how much can you throttle somebody when they they are only getting avg 2 Mb download speed on a "4g" phone???
Kaethryn Walker: You’ll see the biggest impact when you try to stream video or upload large files. Speeds will be reduced considerably with those types of data transactions, though you should still be able to check e-mail and browse the Web.
Kaethryn Walker: Unfortunately I can’t provide a specific speed reduction gauge because it will vary based on a number of factors, like the time of day and the number of local customers. But it might be similar to the difference between dial up speeds vs. broadband speeds.
rick riego: throttling is breach of contract.. by engaging in throttling the contract is compromised and therefor
releases the customer from the risk of being charged a cancellation fee... there is plenty of documentation available and i have read it. i will be changing carriers.. both lines... by the end of next week. this is ridiculous.
Kaethryn Walker: I'm very sorry and understand your concern. Yes. Our current Wireless Customer Agreement speaks to data consumption and our terms regarding the various types of data transmission activities.
Kaethryn Walker: If requested: Information can be found at [url]www.att.com/wirelessterms[/url] , section 6.2 What Are the Intended Purposes Of the Wireless Data Service?
Kaethryn Walker: Accordingly, AT&T reserves the right to:
Kaethryn Walker: Deny, disconnect, modify and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited or whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or hinders access to its wireless network, including without limitation, after a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage.
Kaethryn Walker: Otherwise, protect its wireless network from harm, compromised capacity or degradation in performance, which may impact legitimate data flows.
Kaethryn Walker: Most wireless companies have deployed network management tools like this to manage the exploding demand for mobile broadband. The nation is facing a serious wireless spectrum crunch. Each company is managing it slightly different, so I can’t speak to the specifics on what others are doing.
rick riego: quoted.."in any manner prohibited or whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or hinders access to its wireless network"..
Kaethryn Walker: Yes.
rick riego: i am nowhere near excessive use. if that is excessive and i am gouing to be throttled to a slower speed than the dismal rate at which is being delivered..ther my business goes elsewhere.
Kaethryn Walker: I understand but just want you to be aware that it is not just AT&T that has brought on this policy. Most wireless companies have deployed network management tools like this to manage the exploding demand for mobile broadband. The nation is facing a serious wireless spectrum crunch. Each company is managing it slightly different.
rick riego: i understand tht..but to be paying for an unlimited plan and then to be told that at 2Gb usage the carrier considers that excessive and will implement throtling tactics..that is ABSURD. literallt. look at it as a customer. bad business. i understand it is nopt your policy..but nonetheless it is...ridiculous.
rick riego: "your policy
rick riego: by that i mean personally.
Kaethryn Walker: I wish I could say I disagree with you but as a consumer I am also being affected by the same issues. Not just with mobile wireless service but also High Speed Internet and now that Television is promoting usage over the internet it's getting worse and we are the ones that will have our speeds slowed or restricted in order for everything to fit in the bandwith available. Unfortunately, it's not infinite like many people think it is. I can certainly empathize with you
rick riego: well..ty for ur time. i am definietely moving on though.
ten minutes after that convo.. i get the "high data usage alert" text. AT 1.66Gb USAGE WITH A WEEK LEFT IN THE BILLING CYCLE THEY ARE SAYING I AM IN THE TOP 5% OF USERS????? STFU AND GTFO WITH THAT! there must be some course of action we consumers can take.. this is utter bull****. i am completely flabbergasted and enraged at the thought that they can pull this kind of crap..NATIONWIDE...
You might want to edit your message to obfuscate/remove her email. Getting spammed by web crawler email spam bots isn't cool and certainly won't endear her to your cause.
"AT&T Msg: Youve used 65% of your data plan. Any overage bills @ $10/1GB. Tip: Mobile Data is unlimited over Wifi. Learn more at att.com/dataplans"
This is the message I usually get when i'm at 65%. I haven't gotten any yet that said I was being throttled. I don't usually stream anything unless i'm wifi though.
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stewartsoda said:
You might want to edit your message to obfuscate/remove her email. Getting spammed by web crawler email spam bots isn't cool and certainly won't endear her to your cause.
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i had no warning..no anything. AND i've only used 1.66Gb...thats NOTHING. so with the old unlimited plan (which i am on..for now..) it has a 5Gb soft cap where. U are supposed to be advised of high usage and throttled after. I am barely over 2 and I am being notified I have crossed the 5% threshold and am in danger of being throttled. WTF
I got the same email for barely going over 2gb as well... never happened til now...
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You might want to edit your message to obfuscate/remove her email. Getting spammed by web crawler email spam bots isn't cool and certainly won't endear her to your cause.
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thx...done.
I average 2gb a month, and have never gotten a message or email about over usage or anything.
A month or so i got a message saying I was being throttled for the rest of the billing cycle due to using 18gigs of data that month. There were 2 or 3 days left in my cycle. I'm usually around 4-5 most of the time and haven't gotten a notice since..
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wow, that's nuts. I ran into a similar problem around the same time they ended their unlimited data plans, I had a nokia n97 and when i took it in to get activated they placed me on an unlimited plan. then i got the dell streak 5 and was placed on the 2gb plan. when i called and asked why was i switched, they told me that they didn't consider the n97 a smartphone, therefore they had placed me on a regular unlimited data plan. after many many phone calls i gave up trying to get switched back to unlimited. I am at the 2gb cap still and although there are other companies, i'll be sticking with att for the time being until something better comes along. I was going to go to sprint, but my father in law received a letter in the mail saying that their "everything unlimited" plan would be ending this year also. So the market for unlimited is disappearing. =/
I usually stay around 1.4 GB each month even though I have unlimited, but if I do go over and end up having my data speeds throttled, that's fine. I live in an area that has nothing but EDGE, so it doesn't get much slower for me.
I do think that this is a little excessive, though. I'm not surprised that AT$T would do this.
I remember when data was unlimited on all the carriers and they were beginning to talk about implementing throttling while assuring everyone that it was just to target the top 5% of the heaviest users. I got flamed on PS for being a paranoid idiot by telling everyone that they are just making excuses and will ultimately limit data and throttle anyone going over preset data limits....Here we are with limited data on all carriers and reduced speeds if and when you go over your plan limit....
In regards to the current state of things, I don't know how At&t decides when to send the warning text messages. I have never gone over 5GB but I have gone over 4GB several times and it's only on two occasions that I got the warning text, one warning came after I went past 4.5GB and the other after just 2.5GB. I'm wondering what triggers the At&t watchdog to a certain subscribers account activity. It seems they focus on prolonged data sessions in one location/tower? I'm guessing they are getting all the bugs worked out on their monitoring end but it seems very inconsistent.
yeah, it would be interesting to find out how they go about determining the "top 5%"
7gb per month average and no warning.
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I don't understand how I haven't gotten notified by At&t when I've used 10+gb since June and some of you got hit at 2GB. S**t dont make sense..
I'm starting to think this is nothing more than AT&T fishing.
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I use my phone a lot and have never even come close to these ridiculously high amounts of data usage. You have to be tethering or using nearly constant streaming or downloading and frankly, you're hogging bandwidth. The rest of us NOT on unlimited plans shouldn't have to subsidize the excess use of a few users.
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I'm averaging about 5gb/month and haven't received the message yet.
Doug. I do that with a handful of Netflix movies and some occasionally YouTube, with the normalbrowsing and apps. I don't have wifi during the day, and only part of the day in 3g areas. It realty doesn't take much to hit 5gb with video of any kind.
I got a message over the weekend that indicated my usage this month so far has put me in the top 5% of my area. Which is in-or-around 10 gbs. I've been streaming a lot of movies thru Subsonic just to test my unlimited.
Starting next month I will be throttled if I hit the 5% again ,this was just a *warning* message.
BTW I live in Eastern MA.
yeah throttle seems to be in full effect now, was warned after being just short of 4GB and now after going over 4gb (4,5 days later) I guy a text saying my speeds were to be reduced. 3-5 gb is my average I would say, mostly steaming music from google, streaming some vids and daily Web browsing .
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Anyone have experience using AT&T Straight Talk? I'm planning to jump to the $45 unlimited plan, but I've heard some terrible things about their data policy being overly strict with what you can do with it (like no streaming from Youtube). I am a fairly mild data user only averaging about 300-500mb per month. I will only rarely stream from Youtube and don't want my data service suspended just for the occasional streaming.
Anyone with experience with this provider please leave a comment about their opinion about the data service and speeds and coverage. Only AT&T ST, not T-Mobile ST.
Thanks in advance!
vx117 said:
Anyone have experience using AT&T Straight Talk? I'm planning to jump to the $45 unlimited plan, but I've heard some terrible things about their data policy being overly strict with what you can do with it (like no streaming from Youtube). I am a fairly mild data user only averaging about 300-500mb per month. I will only rarely stream from Youtube and don't want my data service suspended just for the occasional streaming.
Anyone with experience with this provider please leave a comment about their opinion about the data service and speeds and coverage. Only AT&T ST, not T-Mobile ST.
Thanks in advance!
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You'll be fine. You can do whatever you want with the data if you take the proxy server off your APN settings.
I'm about the same as you for data usage. I've never gone over 300 MB in a month before. It certainly is nice to have the freedom to download whatever you want without worrying though.
Some have gotten away with 5 GB of data a month while some have gotten kicked off for 1 GB. It really depends on where you use the service. Overloading a single tower is a horrible idea, AT&T or T-Mobile can request that you be kicked off if you do such a thing. If you're streaming in your car or something, you can probably get away with a lot of data usage (since this spreads data over numerous towers). If you download with 3G from your house instead of wifi, then you're going to get the boot if you download more than 2 GB a month.
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Sorry, completely missed that section. Thanks for the move
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You'll be fine. You can do whatever you want with the data if you take the proxy server off your APN settings.
I'm about the same as you for data usage. I've never gone over 300 MB in a month before. It certainly is nice to have the freedom to download whatever you want without worrying though.
Some have gotten away with 5 GB of data a month while some have gotten kicked off for 1 GB. It really depends on where you use the service. Overloading a single tower is a horrible idea, AT&T or T-Mobile can request that you be kicked off if you do such a thing. If you're streaming in your car or something, you can probably get away with a lot of data usage (since this spreads data over numerous towers). If you download with 3G from your house instead of wifi, then you're going to get the boot if you download more than 2 GB a month.
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I got my SIM the other day, but I'm waiting to order a phone (since I'm coming from Sprint and I'll need a GSM phone). Which is the proxy server I should remove in order to keep data working? I normally use 2GB or less a month, but I don't stream at all and I can definitely make myself use less.
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I got my SIM the other day, but I'm waiting to order a phone (since I'm coming from Sprint and I'll need a GSM phone). Which is the proxy server I should remove in order to keep data working? I normally use 2GB or less a month, but I don't stream at all and I can definitely make myself use less.
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They'll make you input a proxy under the proxy field in your APN settings (proxy.mvno.tracfone.com). Don't put that it in, all it does is restrict you from streaming videos and test download speeds. The service works fine without it.
so without it you can stream netflix?
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You'll be fine. You can do whatever you want with the data if you take the proxy server off your APN settings.
I'm about the same as you for data usage. I've never gone over 300 MB in a month before. It certainly is nice to have the freedom to download whatever you want without worrying though.
Some have gotten away with 5 GB of data a month while some have gotten kicked off for 1 GB. It really depends on where you use the service. Overloading a single tower is a horrible idea, AT&T or T-Mobile can request that you be kicked off if you do such a thing. If you're streaming in your car or something, you can probably get away with a lot of data usage (since this spreads data over numerous towers). If you download with 3G from your house instead of wifi, then you're going to get the boot if you download more than 2 GB a month.
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I have the proxy servers activated although under name input I have Straight Talk.
Because I have input "Straight Talk" I am unable to send pictures.
But I have no notice of data usage being to high, my theory is that if I change the name to
"straightalk" I will gain the ability to send pictures but I will also be notified of high data usage.
Sound theisable?
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You'll be fine. You can do whatever you want with the data if you take the proxy server off your APN settings.
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I removed the proxy partly due to you partly due to ad away. I Speed has increased signal has boosted up when it used to bog down.
Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
It has come to our attention over the past few days – thanks to a couple of our readers – that T-Mobile has changed the fine print to its unlimited 4G LTE Simple Choice plans. Head on over to the individual plans or family plans page on T-Mobile’s website and you’ll see the following short line added at the bottom of the page:
“*Unlimited 4G LTE customers who use more than 21 GB of data in a bill cycle will have their data usage de-prioritized compared to other customers for that bill cycle at locations and times when competing network demands occur, resulting in relatively slower speeds.”
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http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month.
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What and how much are you downloading?
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Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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A fight it is, lol. But seriously is not about how much data someone's uses but if this is true then it's the fact that John goes around bashing AT&T and Verizon but then pulls this $hit. How much data you use is non of my business but have you ever watch a 5 min YouTube video in 1080 or 1440? There goes about half a Gb.
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Not trying to pick a fight, but I'd like to hear how you consistently use that much data on your phone. I'd consider myself a heavy user, and I do break the tethering rules a few times a week, and I don't think I've ever passed 20GB in a month.
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Breaking 30 - 40 GB is easy depending where you are. Last year I took a family vacation to Disney World and forgot to bring my laptop to store each days videos and pictures. At the time I had a G3 and wife had a Note 3.
At the end of the day our phones would be out of storage when recording videos in 4K and taking pictures in max resolution. Our only two options for making storage space available was to either buy storage for our phones or to upload everything to google drive, dropbox, youtube, box .... Having the unlimited dataplan, why not use it and just upload everything each night so we can clear our phones the next day. Doing this over five days four nights we used over 80 GB of data combined (all videos ended up on youtube while phones were saved in the cloud.
We are going to Disney and Universal in a couple weeks and I plan on doing this again. Outside of special occasions like this, I think we used between 6 and 10 GB combined a month.
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Breaking 30 - 40 GB is easy depending where you are. Last year I took a family vacation to Disney World and forgot to bring my laptop to store each days videos and pictures. At the time I had a G3 and wife had a Note 3.
At the end of the day our phones would be out of storage when recording videos in 4K and taking pictures in max resolution. Our only two options for making storage space available was to either buy storage for our phones or to upload everything to google drive, dropbox, youtube, box .... Having the unlimited dataplan, why not use it and just upload everything each night so we can clear our phones the next day. Doing this over five days four nights we used over 80 GB of data combined (all videos ended up on youtube while phones were saved in the cloud.
We are going to Disney and Universal in a couple weeks and I plan on doing this again. Outside of special occasions like this, I think we used between 6 and 10 GB combined a month.
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Yup.
With a rooted phone and having xposed. My youtube is set to play 1440P as long as it's available.
I also upload my 4k videos that I record at car events.
Photos that you take are about 5mb each (16mp).
Just streaming music and video daily will easily eat 21 GB in less than two weeks. I have a feeling this might get repealed or changed to 31. At least that's a gig a day. It's kinda hypocritical like people have said. There's some interesting comments on tmonews under the article. This will really screw the commuters in big cities plus those who listen to music or videos via headphones at work etc. I guess we really need to see how it goes because there are a few unanswered questions here like what are the peak times and if this changes from tower to tower after depriorization. We'll have to just see how this affects people.
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Just streaming music and video daily will easily eat 21 GB in less than two weeks. I have a feeling this might get repealed or changed to 31. At least that's a gig a day. It's kinda hypocritical like people have said. There's some interesting comments on tmonews under the article. This will really screw the commuters in big cities plus those who listen to music or videos via headphones at work etc. I guess we really need to see how it goes because there are a few unanswered questions here like what are the peak times and if this changes from tower to tower after depriorization. We'll have to just see how this affects people.
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I still like to know what the deprioritize speed is.. for example, if you hit 21gb. And your in a congested area, what speed are you capped at? 1mbps? 5mbps? 10mbps?
Also, does it mean that if we jump from one network to another network, the prioritizing stops? What happens if we go back to the original network, does it start again?
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I still like to know what the deprioritize speed is.. for example, if you hit 21gb. And your in a congested area, what speed are you capped at? 1mbps? 5mbps? 10mbps?
Also, does it mean that if we jump from one network to another network, the prioritizing stops? What happens if we go back to the original network, does it start again?
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Exactly... Not sure. Some people in the comments on tmonews are clarifying some of those concerns. But really it just seems like speculation so far. I guess we'll see... Not really happy about this myself.
I wouldn't get too upset about it. A good network always has a QOS system in place.
Note that the statement says 'de-prioritized', not throttled. Instead of assigning your account to a lower bandwidth speed, you could be placed in a lower tier in a packet queuing scheduler. This doesn't necessarily limit your bandwidth, it just lets other user's packets go first. When an area is 100% congested, your 'share' of the bandwidth will be less than others. Once there is free network capacity your bandwidth would go back to normal as there would be enough free resources to do so. Realize that network saturation changes by the second, so unless a congested area is constantly overloaded at 100% capacity, you shouldn't experience much speed reduction.
This is completely within the new FCC rules, and is actually a good network management practice.
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I wouldn't get too upset about it. A good network always has a QOS system in place.
Note that the statement says 'de-prioritized', not throttled. Instead of assigning your account to a lower bandwidth speed, you could be placed in a lower tier in a packet queuing scheduler. This doesn't necessarily limit your bandwidth, it just lets other user's packets go first. When an area is 100% congested, your 'share' of the bandwidth will be less than others. Once there is free network capacity your bandwidth would go back to normal as there would be enough free resources to do so. Realize that network saturation changes by the second, so unless a congested area is constantly overloaded at 100% capacity, you shouldn't experience much speed reduction.
This is completely within the new FCC rules, and is actually a good network management practice.
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Yeah it's good in theory (compared to plain throttling) but we haven't really seen it in practical application so far. I live in medium sized city (300 thousand city/1 million metro) and don't have much to worry about really. I have WiFi at work/home and no real excuse to use 60GB a month like I do. Just bad habits. I just have to remember to leave WiFi on lol! No biggie for me. The folks I feel bad for is those who work outside or have no WiFi in office (other than work purposes. Strick company policy a holes etc) and/or commuters that have to ride the subway. I don't really feel sorry for those (and I have a few friends like this) that are too cheap to buy broadband Internet at home. This isn't meant to be a replacement for home Internet unless you have a Hotspot device or whatever they call it these days. I get that. I guess we'll have to see. This plan has been in place a few weeks now. We'll have to see how much it affects people. Hopefully not too much. Good reply though! Clarification is always welcome here:good:
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Yeah it's good in theory (compared to plain throttling) but we haven't really seen it in practical application so far.
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Well, until we get some technical info or some really good test results, we won't know exactly what they are using. Though priority queuing and class based queuing are common in today's networks. I can guarantee they are already using hierarchical fair service curves as it is pretty much required for the HD voice feature to be reliable.
If this system is already in place, then they probably are not using regular throttling tiers, as I am well past the soft cap and am still putting down 80/20 speed. Though I am most likely in an un-congested area. I am wondering just how weighted the de-prioritization scale is for users above the cap.
I use alot of data (70gb) one month that was the most extreme. I download alot of movies and torrents while i sleep. Theres know doubt in my mind that they mess with my speeds especially during peak hours. I with search and get lte then 5 seconds later it drops down. I will search and get it again and the same thing will happen. Meanwhile my wifes phone stays on lte. I also noticed at times ill be on lte but will only be downloading at 100 or 200 kbs where im normally at 1 mbs. But like i said it's usually only at peak hours and lasts for 30min to a hour
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Looks like John Legere just said, "hahaha sucka.. you've been baited to our unlimited data cap"
http://www.tmonews.com/2015/06/21gb...mobiles-unlimited-4g-lte-simple-choice-plans/
What are you thoughts?
I avg 35-45gb a month. But how do we know if our area is congested?
Legere has been bashing other companies about their throttle, but yet he's doing the same thing.
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Wait, this is just now making news? That's been in their fine print for almost a year now ever since they started their unlimited data campaign.
I average about 150-200GBs a month on my line alone. I really heavily on my phones data for everything I do while I'm not at home. Sometimes even when I'm home I'll use data just for the heck of it.
T-Mobile is throttling but not as rampant as the other carriers. T-Mobile's throttling depends on network congestion. Other carriers just throttle once you hit a certain number.
There really isn't a way to tell though if your area is heavily congested unless it's a major city; i.e Denver Metro, Manhattan, LA, etc etc.
I am very torn by this as I live in a congested neighborhood that this cap is designed to manage. The tower that serves my neighborhood is oversold. I routinely suffer from slow network speeds on the best of days and I personally have never used enough data to hit the cap. So on one hand, I certainly want my fellow users capped if they are data hogs as bandwidth is very constrained in my local neck of the woods. On the other hand, because my tower is so congested, if I did hit the cap and was de-prioritized, I would immediately hit 2G speeds because there is so much traffic to compete with. So T-Mobile has essentially told me that I have a 21GB data plan as in my neighborhood I will never get more.
With that figure in mind, I have to say that a 15GB plan from Verizon that actually would give me decent speed now seems not so far off from my 21GB "unlimited" plan. T-Mobile is supposed to be adding bandwidth in my neighborhood, but it is no longer a comparison of XGB vs unlimited, but XGB vs 21GB. Verizon and for that matter, Sprint (yes, I know) are offering competitive packages to 21GB and it is possible that even Sprint may give me faster speeds. I am not so sure that I may not make the jump to someone if they can deliver better speeds. For those that live in non-congested neighborhoods, that 21GB cap may never be seen. But in my area, that is a wall.
They are doing what Verizon started doing. Throttling only on congested towers to the top data people. I use to get throttled by Verizon when the Detroit Lions or the Tigers were playing since I work downtown Detroit. Once the games were done I would get better data speeds.
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Using over 80gb a month is taking advantage of a good thing. People who consistently abuse the data limits are the same people who screwed this for everyone. These are the people who feel entitled to abuse every inch they can. Hotels have wifi, there are other ways. I have the unlimited data package fir years, never abused the privilege. Whenever at home I use my wifi even though I have sick DL speeds at home. I will never abuse a situation, just the way I am.
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So sorry that us heavy users misunderstood what unlimited means. Dangit I knew I should have paid more attention in vocabulary class.
Now I just need to remember not to buy that nice car I want because that would taking advantage of a good thing as others aren't buying it.
Not to step on anyone posting, but I believe that T-Mobile is at fault here. Notwithstanding the individuals that break the rules and tether more than the rules allow, T-Mobile sold me an unlimited plan. I have not exceeded the 21GB limit. My data, according to T-Mobile, is at 11GB. But when I subscribed to the unlimited plan, I asked what that meant and I gave some far out there examples (streaming videos 24 hours a day, etc.). I was told by the T-Mobile customer rep, unlimited means unlimited. No sweat.
The problem is that T-Mobile wanted to attract more business and they used and still use unlimited data plans to attract that business and their network wasn't really ready for that level of activity. I read comments to an article as much as 6 months ago that had users saying that T-Mobile's network was, unlike the other carrier's networks, impervious to slowdowns from added traffic which is simply not true.
But I believe T-Mobile has helped build that impression with the selling all of these unlimited data packages. TMONews had an article a couple of weeks ago asking if unlimited data packages are going away and they quoted John Legere saying that unlimited data packages are only guaranteed for 2 more years. (http://www.tmonews.com/2015/05/is-unlimited-data-going-to-disappear/) Then shortly after they announced this cap. The article's point is that unlimited packages are unsustainable. But T-Mobile keeps selling the idea. All carrier's need to sell what they can provide and not promise more than they can deliver. Perhaps they should say no to a new customer that lives in a neighborhood that is oversold. But they won't.
I love T-Mobile, but I experience very slow speeds due to a wildly oversold network. I would have been much better off if T-Mobile only promised what they can deliver. They can't really deliver unlimited to me. What they told me last week is that unlimited is actually 21GB, if you could get 21GB at the slow download speeds they are currently delivering. For the fellow that got 80GB, if he followed the rules, he is paying for an unlimited plan. In my neighborhood, except for DSL that is unusably slow, I have no other options except wireless. No cable, nothing. I am willing to pay for my data needs. But I want and need the data at reasonably fast speeds. It is not clear that in my neighborhood that T-Mobile can deliver. But now that the cap is in place, T-Mobile has made the comparison clearer. Who can deliver 21GB faster, cheaper and more reliably than anyone else. Because in my oversold neighborhood, 21GB is all that I will get. YMMV.
Good luck finding another carrier that will only delay your packets after 21gb when there is congestion instead of crippling access all together. Your situation is unique and the result should be expected. There is nothing a carrier can do if your area is under serviced when it comes to internet access. xanmato completely gets the concept here. This is not a cap, even calling it a soft cap is a bit much. This is Quality of Service (QOS) at its best and T-Mobile shouldnt be slammed for doing this. Just because its unlimited doesn't mean you can go ahead and use it as your sole internet source for everything you ever do. That was never its intended purpose. If everyone used 80gb a month it would cripple any cellular network unless the heavy users had some kind of consequence and maybe make them use their wifi for once. Maybe in the future the cell network or whatever comes after that will be robust enough to handle everyone using large amounts of bandwidth at once but until then we have to respect the fact that a cellular carrier is not the same thing as an ISP