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My take on the Z1 weak spots.

#1: Camera. I expected a good camera producing decent shots under most conditions. What I got was a camera shooting good photos in certain settings and hands down crappy ones given some other settings. One of the biggest let downs is the poor color reproduction under low light conditions.
#2: Anti shatter film made from a soft material prone to showing tear and wear? Really, Sony? Ive had both Samsung and Apple phones with no protectors on them with minimal wear after many months use. This one month old Z1 already have several scuffs both back and front.
#3: Proximity sensor bugging out; this needs to be fixed asap.
I hope #1 & #3 can be taken care of by a software update, meaning Z1 really is one of the less annoying handsets Ive ever owned.
-KJ
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#1 shame but that's camera phones; i've found low-light performance to be better than i expected at least
#2 i much prefer having a film in place rather than risking my one-and-only panel to protect against scratches
i figure i'll peel the films off when the scuffs get too ugly
#3 i've had this problem too, proximity sensor application is pretty poor in the z1

fjevel said:
#2: Anti shatter film made from a soft material prone to showing tear and wear? Really, Sony? Ive had both Samsung and Apple phones with no protectors on them with minimal wear after many months use. This one month old Z1 already have several scuffs both back and front.
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As per its name, it's an anti-shatter film, not a screen protector (which protects against scratches and such). You can choose to apply a screen protector over the film, or remove the film altogether (and you'll get the same experience as per your Samsung and Apple phones).
This might be informative:

the most annoying thing is lack of developer support
coming from 2 HTC phones, sony feels like a huge let down in this regard.. certainly wont be buying another sony phone unless situation dramatically improves (which i doubt with all the bootloader problems..)
also the anti shatter film layer thing is pretty retarded on such high end phone and degrades it significantly - i now have to remove that ASF and put tempered glass protection on cause ASF is full of scratches and attracts fingerprints like magnet
never had those issues with HTC One X for which i never bought any kind of protection, just a standard pouch to insert it into - glass never got any scratches and was super easy to clean unlike Z1..

Ad for the cleaning part, Xperia Z1 is the easiest. Just wash it & that's all. I bet that you didn't try that out !
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how is washing the phone more convenient than swiping it on your clothes?
i cant wash my phone every hour while i am at work
i usually swipe my phones on my jeans when there are alot of fingerprints on it.. with Z1 it doesnt help
anyways, i already ordered Glass-M tempered glass so I will see if its any better with it..

Furma said:
the most annoying thing is lack of developer support
coming from 2 HTC phones, sony feels like a huge let down in this regard.. certainly wont be buying another sony phone unless situation dramatically improves (which i doubt with all the bootloader problems..)
also the anti shatter film layer thing is pretty retarded on such high end phone and degrades it significantly - i now have to remove that ASF and put tempered glass protection on cause ASF is full of scratches and attracts fingerprints like magnet
never had those issues with HTC One X for which i never bought any kind of protection, just a standard pouch to insert it into - glass never got any scratches and was super easy to clean unlike Z1..
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i suppose you'd rather have your phone feel premium and with a cracked screen then?
no one is forcing you to keep the ASF on, it's there for you own device sake, while sammy and apple whould prefer you breaking your screen and pay 300$ for replace. yeep, retarded sony, i whould never buy from them again!

Furma said:
the most annoying thing is lack of developer support
coming from 2 HTC phones, sony feels like a huge let down in this regard.. certainly wont be buying another sony phone unless situation dramatically improves (which i doubt with all the bootloader problems..)
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This is my concern too - I was hugely excited when this thing was announced and have been watching the developments like a hawk, but nothing doing. Coming from Nexus phones I was hoping to hop ship and get some better media/camera features but it is looking more and more like I'm going to have to stick with nexus.

shteren said:
i suppose you'd rather have your phone feel premium and with a cracked screen then?
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why would my screen crack if i remove ASF? screen is made of dragontrail glass that has almost same properties as gorilla glass
the only difference is, dragontrail glass isnt shatter proof, if i understand correctly and thats why sony is using ASF on top of it
shteren said:
no one is forcing you to keep the ASF on, it's there for you own device sake, while sammy and apple whould prefer you breaking your screen and pay 300$ for replace. yeep, retarded sony, i whould never buy from them again!
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well sony IS forcing me to keep ASF on if i want to keep my warranty..
and how are samsung and apple making their users break their screens? you can also break Z1 screen with ASF if you drop it, it just wont shatter into pieces, but it will still break if using big enough force
i had HTC Desire and HTC One X that used "ordinary" gorilla glass - NEVER had a cracked screen and i never used any protection for my screen
gorilla glass is good enough
sony is really fcking it up with this plastic over glass design which is just making it ALOT easier to scratch the screen and decreasing its sensitivity..its bull**** - paying 600-700$ for a top of the line smartphone that has plastic on both ends
your arguments are pretty much invalid

Furma said:
why would my screen crack if i remove ASF? screen is made of dragontrail glass that has almost same properties as gorilla glass
the only difference is, dragontrail glass isnt shatter proof, if i understand correctly and thats why sony is using ASF on top of it
well sony IS forcing me to keep ASF on if i want to keep my warranty..
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I'm 51% sure that taking off the ASF doesn't void your warranty.

apparently it depends on the country you are from
in some countries it voids the whole phone warranty and in others it "just" voids the display warranty
either way, sony is the only manufacturer i know that puts plastic on top of hardened glass screens and its baffling.. why do that.. if dragontrail glass was so bad it needs ASF why not use gorilla glass? to save money? ok, then put it on cheaper smartphones, not top of the range ones..

Throw a tempered glass protector on it and call it done.
I mean, I get the complaints, but in the grand scheme of the device? Who cares.
Also, coming from a Nexus 5, I'd rather the Sony. The stock firmware does just fine, and is actually an improvement on pure stock AOSP. (for me at least)

Furma said:
why would my screen crack if i remove ASF? screen is made of dragontrail glass that has almost same properties as gorilla glass
the only difference is, dragontrail glass isnt shatter proof, if i understand correctly and thats why sony is using ASF on top of it
well sony IS forcing me to keep ASF on if i want to keep my warranty..
and how are samsung and apple making their users break their screens? you can also break Z1 screen with ASF if you drop it, it just wont shatter into pieces, but it will still break if using big enough force
i had HTC Desire and HTC One X that used "ordinary" gorilla glass - NEVER had a cracked screen and i never used any protection for my screen
gorilla glass is good enough
sony is really fcking it up with this plastic over glass design which is just making it ALOT easier to scratch the screen and decreasing its sensitivity..its bull**** - paying 600-700$ for a top of the line smartphone that has plastic on both ends
your arguments are pretty much invalid
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who told you gorrila glass is shatter proof? most cracked phones i've seen are samsung who uses gorrila, and how said dragontail isn't shatter proof?
either way non of of those galsses are shatter proof, they are scratch proof which makes them even more prones to shattering.. thats basics material engineering... you make something harder it also becomes more fragile... the hardest metals breaks to pieces when bent,
so anyhow sony does not put the ASF there because it uses lower grade glass, it puts it there so it won't break, and didn't you see the drop test the z1 had? it didn't crack it screen after 3 drops, all other phones that phonearena dropped cracked they glass on the third fall, also the glorious note 3 with the "shatter proof" gorrilla.

I think most of us understand why Sony use ASF, but that still does nothing to change the fact that the Z1 gets scratches a lot faster than other brand phones using screens with no ASF.
Also the lack of oleophobic coating on the screen underneath means that you will need to buy something from a third party vendor if you want a better user experience when you remove the ASF.
I feel this is a poor choice by Sony. There might be other reasons why they chose to use the ASF, but I cannot imagine why.
-KJ
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Just a quick update on the issues I brought up in this thread:
After I updated to 4.3, the camera takes much better pictures in low light conditions. It still struggles a bit to focus, but the pictures look a lot better.
Also I have not seen the proximity sensor bug out at all.
That means that #1 and #3 now are gone from the list. Add the Nilkin H+ tempered glass screen protector I bought from Ebay, and I must admit that this is pretty much the best handset I have ever owned.
-KJ
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mostly everything on the z (and i believe the z1) are fixable between root or xposed.
but i hate what sony did to bluetooth. does this happen on the z1?
recieve a picture or file with android beam, i have to wait a sec or 2 (sometimes long enough that beam almost or actually times out) for a confirmation message (tap to confirm incoming file)
what is up with that, nexus, samsung, htc don't screw up beams usefulness but sony did. haven't tried it in the 4.3 leak but i doubt that was dealt with. if it happens with the z1 is there any way to fix it besides an aosp rom?
shteren said:
who told you gorrila glass is shatter proof? most cracked phones i've seen are samsung who uses gorrila, and how said dragontail isn't shatter proof?
either way non of of those galsses are shatter proof, they are scratch proof which makes them even more prones to shattering.. thats basics material engineering... you make something harder it also becomes more fragile... the hardest metals breaks to pieces when bent,
so anyhow sony does not put the ASF there because it uses lower grade glass, it puts it there so it won't break, and didn't you see the drop test the z1 had? it didn't crack it screen after 3 drops, all other phones that phonearena dropped cracked they glass on the third fall, also the glorious note 3 with the "shatter proof" gorrilla.
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thats like saying if your phone drops and hits a corner that it will crack.
a "drop test" is not 100% controlled, and a screen protector (ASF) can help reduce the chance for the screen crack by spreading the force of impact just enough to save the glass.
i got into a motorcycle accident with my nexus 4 (known for cracking easily) phone was in pocket screen out, it was in a thin micro fiber cloth in my pocket. the cloth had burn rubbed marks in it (like the fibers were gouged out) and the phone chrome trim was scratched, but nothing cracked.
dropped the phone plenty of times while recovering in bed, landing screen down on raised tile corners from ear height standing (increased pressure, likelier to crack) phone is good.
drops from thigh height while getting out of car at walmart, landed screen down on a pebble, screen cracks (salute the phone).
there are plenty of xperia z's with cracked screens from drops, and aparently bent z1's that happens mysteriously (could happen from pockets. my razr xt910 bent after a week or 2).
not to mention most drop tests have the z1 not crack, but it dies electronically. if the screen cracks atleast you can normally use it
i've dropped my z lots and i peeled the ASF off, i don't see it magically cracking and i could care less about the glass splintering off if it does crack.
worried about scratches? get a screen protector. it'll more than likely not scratch as easy as the ASF and you don't have to clean residue off the phone when you finally swap it if there was no ASF, but one or two in the box in all countries and oleophobic coating on the screen, everyone wins.

I like having the ASF on. I have a contract now for 2 years. If the display ends up scratched to he'll I can remove the film on the front and back and good as new. Also when you come to sell your phone when you upgrade alot of people are put off by scratches. Yes I know you can use screen protectors but surely that is the same as the ASF. Either way just my opinion. If you don't like it for what ever reason you can always remove it.
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"Both Gorilla Glass 3 AND Dragontrail X are used for Z3C's display"

I've received an answer from official Sony support staff over at the Sony Mobile support forums, on a thread regarding which type of glass is used for the Z3C. It turns out that for the display, both Gorilla Glass 3 AND Dragontrail X are used. Unfortunately, no info on the rear glass:
"For the display glass we use both Gorilla 3 and Dragontrail X but i'm afraid i don't have any detailed information about the rear glass."
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...ss-is-on-Xperia-Z3-Compact/m-p/838927#U838927

Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.

LastQuark said:
Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
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That's what I'm curious about as well.

my guess that it may boil down to a matter of availability.

LastQuark said:
Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.
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If this is true I think I may have gotten the Dragontrail version because I have been pretty careful with the phone os far and already have a small scratch on the upper right. I think I would choose scratch protection over drop protection in the end because scratches are drive me ****ing nuts.

So if yours is a Dragontrail, use PET film. If Gorilla glass, use tempered glass. Problem solved!
Just need to know about the backside. To date, no one makes a tempered glass for the backside.

Why PET for Dragontrail?

For those with true balls, give us a scratch test, attempt to scratch your device and post it on you tube LOL

Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.

LastQuark said:
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break!
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Was that sarkasm or did you just make that up? Is there any valid source to back up this claim? Imo many people talking on the interwebs just have uneducated opinions.
/e: that sounded more aggressive than it was meant to, I didn't mean your opinion is uneducated =)

maven1975 said:
Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.
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That's completely normal.

Agreed. I am going to have a Case anyway if I
get a Z3 C and would prefer Corning GG 3 or GG2 as a known performer versus Dragontrail
which has a cool name but what is it ?
Godzilla Glass and Dragontrail sound good but give me GG3. Corning Gorilla Glass.
And give me a gel case with outer shell and I will add glass screen protectors front and back.
The Manager at Sony Store Miami which does not have Z3 or Z3 C yet mentioned " Tempered Glass " for the back as what Sony calls it.
Thanks for posting your experiences .

They use Both but you won't know Which is on your phone, like the z1c had Both jdi display and another lowcost brand so by chance you could get a superbright display or a not-so-good one.

Or they use none of both and Sony support just has no clue whatsoever

After 5 days I have absolutely no microscratches. I still put it in my pocket with other things (not keys though). In addition GG 3 also gets scratched by harder materials like sand, glass, concrete. If you have sand in your pocket or mineral dust it will be scratched if it's not made of sapphire glass (which would be scratched by diamond)...

I've had my phone for 7 days now and I checked under the bright lights at work and I have a bunch of micro scratches on the back, very disappointing. My phone is carried in my pocket by itself, or set on my desk so I have no idea where such scratches could come from. It's only on the back though, the front looks fine, so maybe they're using some inferior glass for the rear.

I think gorilla glass 2/3 or dragon tail doesn't really make that much difference....
I read somewhere the key is the strength retention after the glass has been scratched. I think Gorilla 3 perform better to retain that strength. All of the glass has very similar spec.
http://www.evolutivelabs.com/blogs/news/11840361-gorilla-glass-2-vs-3

Don't know if this deserved a separate thread but will post here as well.
Today I woke up and realized that my screen is broken. One think line. My guess that is happened yesterday cause phone touch was acting up in the evening but it's hard to see without much light.
My phone is in case, has a stock screen protector and was never dropped or impacted.
My guess that this is low quality from zony's side. Reminds me the crack that reviewers had on their back plate in one of the first review videos.

How is the front glass oleophobic coating?

2dorr said:
How is the front glass oleophobic coating?
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It's a smudge magnet. But my finger glides very smoothly on it and it's easy to clean. Usually it "cleans itself" in my pocket so when I take it out after having a walked around for a while, the screen is usually relatively clean.

Are you using a case on your Xperia Z3?

Case or no case?

Never been for the case. I would always opt for a 9H tempered glass. I've bought both the front and back Nilkin 9H tempered glass and it's been working pretty well for these two months. I recently dropped my z3 on the floor. No damage but the tempered glass did crack. If you don't mind taking away from the beauty of the phone, I would definitely recommend a case. I bought the Ringke clear case at first but it just made the phone look bulkier.

I have a Ringke, but like to use my phone bare, also have front/back glass protectors.
However in corner impacts the glass protectors will be useless as one person already found out, though he did it on purpose to show off .

I have a tempered glass 9H screen protector on the front and when I don't use the phone it lives in a slip case with a pull tab. When I do use it it takes all of a second or two to get it out and it's naked in my hands. I can't stand an ugly case that wraps around a phone. Why would anybody obscure the beautiful design of an item with a case? It makes no sense... Although like I say my compromise is a slip case.
My phone is in absolute mint condition with not a single fine scratch on the back yet so I reckon my system works pretty well for me.
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No case here either. I just use a lanyard ring. It helps with holding/using the phone with 1 hand. Will probably get some cheap screen protector though because the phone is so slippery.
The phone design is too sexy, why cover it up?

Just a belt case when at work

I don't use a case, but I didn't vote because I don't think it's tough enough. I just don't like cases, they add bulk and ruin the design.
I do use a lanyard/strap though because the entire phone is slippery. I put a Xtremeguard back protector to make it less slippery, but the sides are still slippery as hell. I'm really considering using Plasti Dip on the sides.

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Jokes aside, I agree with Shilent. No case or front screen protectors for me--it ruins the design and full experience of the phone. The only thing I would add is a protective sticker on the back so it doesn't slide on the table.

I voted no case, but don't think it would survive a drop....
Lol, Hanime.
Case really does ruin the phone, I only use the Ringke outside, that too occasionaly. After seeing Gorilla Glass 4 adverts by Corning showing 2x increase in impact resistance, espescially rough surfaces. I wish it had released in time for this phone.

Mine is naked now. My cruzerlite case lasted 3 days.
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hanime said:
I use this method:
Jokes aside, I agree with Shilent. No case or front screen protectors for me--it ruins the design and full experience of the phone. The only thing I would add is a protective sticker on the back so it doesn't slide on the table.
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You should consider a tempered glass screen protector if you hate stickers. It's incomparable to the old idea of a plastic film protector.
It's 100% invisible and makes the screen look unbelievably beautiful while offering great protection if u should drop it.
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Johann_London said:
You should consider a tempered glass screen protector if you hate stickers. It's incomparable to the old idea of a plastic film protector.
It's 100% invisible and makes the screen look unbelievably beautiful while offering great protection if u should drop it.
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How does something invisible make something look beautiful?
It won't add much protection to dropping your phone either, especially if it lands on the side of the device.

Carrying it naked absolutely out of the question for me.
I sell my phones every 2 months. Resale value is paramount, so I wont risk a small scratch or dent.
Yes the phone's design is sexy. However IMHO, using casemate tough case somehow adds to its beauty while adding more grip to it.

i'm using case right now, but a super thin 0.33mm clear TPU one . just for that extra safety feel

No case, because I know what the phone looks like, and I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks it looks like, and I want some protection against both drops and scratching from being in a pocket/general wear and tear over the 2 or 3 years I'm going to have it.

No case here! Just using a glass protector on the front and naked on the back because I couldn't find any.
I just hate the fact that my glass protector has cut outs for the sensors, doesn't fully cover around the speakers and has a cut out for the NOTIFICATION LIGHT. Seriously, wtf

Ok, now I just have a glass screen protector on the back and nothing on the front. I've been getting some scratches on back, so I need something on it.
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xxquicksh0txx said:
How does something invisible make something look beautiful?
It won't add much protection to dropping your phone either, especially if it lands on the side of the device.
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God what a stupid reply. Firstly, because it's just another layer of glass it's pretty much invisible - but because it's glossy and of a high quality it compliments the resolution of the screen and makes it look really good.
Just look up some videos on YouTube where they are reviewed or something.
Also it protects the screen against drops - in almost every drop the screen protector shatters leaving the screen in mint condition. There are even a few videos where they are hit with a hammer and it's the screen protector that shatters, not the screen.
Erica Griffin did the same test. But for now, look at this:
Tempered glass screen protector drop test #2 (off…: http://youtu.be/Ld8ISx4IL8Q
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Johann_London said:
God what a stupid reply. Firstly, because it's just another layer of glass it's pretty much invisible - but because it's glossy and of a high quality it compliments the resolution of the screen and makes it look really good.
Just look up some videos on YouTube where they are reviewed or something.
Also it protects the screen against drops - in almost every drop the screen protector shatters leaving the screen in mint condition. There are even a few videos where they are hit with a hammer and it's the screen protector that shatters, not the screen.
Erica Griffin did the same test. But for now, look at this:
Tempered glass screen protector drop test #2 (off…: http://youtu.be/Ld8ISx4IL8Q
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I'm sorry, I was unware the glass on the front of our screen wasn't glossy and of high quality to begin with. Silly me.
I'm going to go buy a glass screen protector now so I can have beautiful display now.
Never did I say the glass screen protectors were nice, I use them myself.
If you read my post carefully I specifically said it's not going to protect it from a side impact, which it's not.
I swear, people get more retarded everyday.

dedei said:
No case here! Just using a glass protector on the front and naked on the back because I couldn't find any.
I just hate the fact that my glass protector has cut outs for the sensors, doesn't fully cover around the speakers and has a cut out for the NOTIFICATION LIGHT. Seriously, wtf
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I have an Ultimate Shield glass protector and it has only three cut outs... The two speakers (onbiously) and the sensor just to the left of the Sony logo. Everything else including camera and notification light works through the protector. This one is 9H hardness. Which one do you have then?
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Screen scratches easily!

few days and there is a noticeable scratch. I am very careful with the screen but have no screen protectors. What kind of glass Samsung used. I’m not even sure this screen is real glass, maybe it sort of plastic.

funfun99999 said:
few days and there is a noticeable scratch. I am very careful with the screen but have no screen protectors. What kind of glass Samsung used. I’m not even sure this screen is real glass, maybe it sort of plastic.
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Lol really. You no nothing then.
It's glass and very strong glass at that.
I had mines without a protector for 2wks and didn't get a single scratch on mine.
So some how you got something on it and it got scratch. The in thing that scratches screen the worse is sand

Have had mine for over a month. No screen protector, no scratches. In and out of my pockets all day.
I did laugh when I read some sort of plastic lol.
Btw this is the glass on the note edge.
http://youtu.be/r_40sBbpBVg .

xile6 said:
Lol really. You no nothing then.
It's glass and very strong glass at that.
I had mines without a protector for 2wks and didn't get a single scratch on mine.
So some how you got something on it and it got scratch. The in thing that scratches screen the worse is sand
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Just look at it in the sunlight at an angle and see if it has some scratch.
And there is no info in samsung what type glass it used
The same thing happens with note 4

Note 4 use Gorilla Glass 4
Note Edge use Gorilla Glass 3

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Note 4 use Gorilla Glass 4
Note Edge use Gorilla Glass 3
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Where you found about Note Edge. No info at Corning's own website or Samsung
Only reviews saying that it has Gorilla Glass 3 but does not mean it has.

It's gorilla glass 3.
My girl has drop her phone from waist high and landed face frist on the kitchen floor and didn't have one sratch on it.
So either your got a cheap copy or you where way to ruff with the phone.
As said o went 2 weeks without a protector and don't have any sratch at all. Not a one. Then I put a protector on it.

funfun99999 said:
Where you found about Note Edge. No info at Corning's own website or Samsung
Only reviews saying that it has Gorilla Glass 3 but does not mean it has.
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Come on man, do a Google Search. All the review sites are very reputable tech sites. But to appease you here is a snapshot of a chat I just had with Samsung notice the website name.
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Now stop your complaining and own up that you made a mistake and happen to scratch your screen. Crap happens. Btw I've turned my phone every which way in the sun no scratches.

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Come on man, do a Google Search. All the review sites are very reputable tech sites. But to appease you here is a snapshot of a chat I just had with Samsung notice the website name.
Now stop your complaining and own up that you made a mistake and happen to scratch your screen. Crap happens. Btw I've turned my phone every which way in the sun no scratches.
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I often use gsmarena to check out specs on phone. Not perfect but generally a good resource.
As you reported: Corning Gorilla Glass 3
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_edge-6631.php
EDIT: Also, according to gsmarena, Note 4 uses Corning Gorilla Glass 4.

mscion said:
I often use gsmarena to check out specs on phone. Not perfect but generally a good resource.
As you reported: Corning Gorilla Glass 3
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_edge-6631.php
EDIT: Also, according to gsmarena, Note 4 uses Corning Gorilla Glass 4.
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Ok let us say it Gorilla Glass. This means Gorilla Glass is not that resistance to scratch. Since the first day I have my phone in a case.

I also have have about 3 minor scratches on my Note Edge and I haven't had mine a month yet.. it is EXTREMELY annoying and I am trying to find a way to rid my screen of these scratches, I am OCD about my phones and not sure how it happened. Even been thinking about calling Samsung to see if there is anything that can be done.. so don't feel bad @funfun99999 you're not alone.

funfun99999 said:
Ok let us say it Gorilla Glass. This means Gorilla Glass is not that resistance to scratch. Since the first day I have my phone in a case.
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I just Googled "hardness of gorilla glass" and quickly found this.
http://en.miui.com/thread-40353-1-1.html
Basically, if a material is harder than the Gorilla Glass is can scratch it.
For example, something with a hardness of sand will scratch Gorilla glass so be careful at your local sand box or beach!
Perhaps, your screen was accidentally exposed to a harder material and you just didn't notice it at the time. Who knows, it
happens to the best of us.
EDIT:You know, it is always possible that some substandard Gorilla Glass was used. The problem here is who wants to volunteer using their Edge screen to test this! Also, unlikely Samsung or Corning would admit any wrong doing...

funfun99999 said:
Ok let us say it Gorilla Glass. This means Gorilla Glass is not that resistance to scratch. Since the first day I have my phone in a case.
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When I read the first post I was like wow this guy is ignorant, read this post and now I'm fairly convinced you don't have the slightest idea as to how Gorilla Glass works.
Fortified glass such as Gorilla Glass is not resistant to scratches, heck even diamond isn't shatter proof nor scratch proof (given the right material).
They are obviously harder to scratch than your standard glass but something will eventually scratch it if it's hard enough.
Do you want to know what the easiest thing to scratch your phone screen on is? Sand, it's abundant, you probably have a whole pile of it in your pockets.
Sand has hardness that is greater than glass and even Gorilla Glass which means when your screen comes in contact with sand it has the ability to scratch your screen.
Please don't go off blaming the product when you don't even know sufficient information about how the technology behind it all works.
"Since the first day I have my phone in a case" (lolwut?) Putting your phone in a case doesn't guarantee that you won't get scratches.
If you're that worried invest in a screen protector. I've had this phone for 2 months with no case or screen protector and still not a single scratch on the screen.
Maybe you should start washing your pants more often with the pockets inside out as well.
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iCUE220 said:
I also have have about 3 minor scratches on my Note Edge and I haven't had mine a month yet.. it is EXTREMELY annoying and I am trying to find a way to rid my screen of these scratches, I am OCD about my phones and not sure how it happened. Even been thinking about calling Samsung to see if there is anything that can be done.. so don't feel bad @funfun99999 you're not alone.
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There's no real method of getting scratches off Gorilla Glass haha
Just get over it, it happens, nothing in this world can be perfect and resistant to everything.
Move on with your life, that scratch on your phone is not worth your time.
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Speedin07si said:
Come on man, do a Google Search. All the review sites are very reputable tech sites. But to appease you here is a snapshot of a chat I just had with Samsung notice the website name.
Now stop your complaining and own up that you made a mistake and happen to scratch your screen. Crap happens. Btw I've turned my phone every which way in the sun no scratches.
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Gotta love it when people can't own up to their own mistakes or do adequate research eh?

I can safely say these two things do not scratch the screen with a light swipe. I'm sure if I put a great deal of force I could.

I subjected my note edge screen to the following and I didn't find a single scratch...

tospace2006 said:
When I read the first post I was like wow this guy is ignorant, read this post and now I'm fairly convinced you don't have the slightest idea as to how Gorilla Glass works.
Fortified glass such as Gorilla Glass is not resistant to scratches, heck even diamond isn't shatter proof nor scratch proof (given the right material).
They are obviously harder to scratch than your standard glass but something will eventually scratch it if it's hard enough.
Do you want to know what the easiest thing to scratch your phone screen on is? Sand, it's abundant, you probably have a whole pile of it in your pockets.
Sand has hardness that is greater than glass and even Gorilla Glass which means when your screen comes in contact with sand it has the ability to scratch your screen.
Please don't go off blaming the product when you don't even know sufficient information about how the technology behind it all works.
"Since the first day I have my phone in a case" (lolwut?) Putting your phone in a case doesn't guarantee that you won't get scratches.
If you're that worried invest in a screen protector. I've had this phone for 2 months with no case or screen protector and still not a single scratch on the screen.
Maybe you should start washing your pants more often with the pockets inside out as well.
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There's no real method of getting scratches off Gorilla Glass haha
Just get over it, it happens, nothing in this world can be perfect and resistant to everything.
Move on with your life, that scratch on your phone is not worth your time.
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Gotta love it when people can't own up to their own mistakes or do adequate research eh?
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yep knowledge is power, he must of been an iphone user lol...
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I can safely say these two things do not scratch the screen with a light swipe. I'm sure if I put a great deal of force I could.
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yep believe it or not those are softer metal then the glass. The same thing with keys there softer.
They did a test before. use knives, keys, metal rings etc... and they didnt do anything.
But a small part of 1000 grit sand paper wipe out the screen. Sand is pretty hard and hell thats whats glass is made off.

tospace2006 said:
When I read the first post I was like wow this guy is ignorant, read this post and now I'm fairly convinced you don't have the slightest idea as to how Gorilla Glass works.
Fortified glass such as Gorilla Glass is not resistant to scratches, heck even diamond isn't shatter proof nor scratch proof (given the right material).
They are obviously harder to scratch than your standard glass but something will eventually scratch it if it's hard enough.
Do you want to know what the easiest thing to scratch your phone screen on is? Sand, it's abundant, you probably have a whole pile of it in your pockets.
Sand has hardness that is greater than glass and even Gorilla Glass which means when your screen comes in contact with sand it has the ability to scratch your screen.
Please don't go off blaming the product when you don't even know sufficient information about how the technology behind it all works.
"Since the first day I have my phone in a case" (lolwut?) Putting your phone in a case doesn't guarantee that you won't get scratches.
If you're that worried invest in a screen protector. I've had this phone for 2 months with no case or screen protector and still not a single scratch on the screen.
Maybe you should start washing your pants more often with the pockets inside out as well.
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I see you just Defending Corning and Samsung. I believe you have scratches at your phone just look in sunlight at angle and you will see minor scratches at the screen.

I have my Note Edge 5 weeks scratch free
I purchased mine on Jan 9th first day of Verizon release. I have an Incipio case on it. I have dropped my phone more than once and on the face, it remains scratch free. The case has several scars and marks and a crack. I'm happy with the durability of my phone. Sorry to hear of the unhappy results with yours.

funfun99999 said:
I see you just Defending Corning and Samsung. I believe you have scratches at your phone just look in sunlight at angle and you will see minor scratches at the screen.
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And so the ignorance continues... I am in no way defending Corning. How did Samsung even come into play? I never even mentioned Samsung once.
We were talking specifically about the technology that makes our modern day phones relatively scratch resistant when used correctly.
I mentioned that Corning's gorilla glass and other fortified glass is not completely scratch resistant. This is not my opinion. This is not me defending Corning. This is a fact....
I know for a fact that my phone will eventually collect scratches since I'm a user who doesn't use a screen protector,
but please don't state that you know my device better than I do when you can't even grasp the simple concept that nothing can be completely scratch proof.
When those scratches do finally appear I won't go on the internet and complain that these companies are making false claims and making inferior products to what they advertise.
Without their technology, the simple act of putting your phone in and pulling it out of a pocket could probably put many scratches on your device.
Have the dignity to just admit maybe you ran into some element in your pocket, on a desk or even on your finger that could have put the scratch there.
Cause at the end of the day a scratch doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere on any material, you clearly came in contact with some sort of element that you are not aware of.
Do your damn research, get learnt, knowledge is power and maybe next time you won't make such a big fool out of yourself on the internet.
I'm trying to be as informative as possible so you can understand where these scratches come from, no need to get so defensive man.

xile6 said:
yep knowledge is power, he must of been an iphone user lol...
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+1 to this

Screen scratches within only 2 weeks

I have owned the phone for 2 weeks and have some really horrible scratches on the screen already. I really don't feel the screen should scratch this easily as I have never experienced this with a phone before.
The phone has been in a case since day 1 that elevates it if placed face down. Additionally I have not dropped the phone at all. The phone always goes straight to my pocket by itself facing my leg. I checked for dirt in my pockets and there is none that I can ever feel. I really don't understand how this is happening. The scratches are extremely noticeable in direct light and do not resemble microscratches, but thick scratches. I feel as if this glass is defective or something with how quickly and seemingly easily it has scratched.
Is there anything I can do to exchange the phone, buff the scratches, or get rid of them?

Here are some photos of the scratches, granted the camera doesnt really capture it as well.
https://imgur.com/gallery/OtuAt

Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.

Tristan1302 said:
Yes it is not normal at all, did you put the phone in the sand or something like that, because i don't know if Samsung cover this damage. If it was on the phone at the opening of the box, the warranty can be used i think.
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It was not on the phone when opening the box and no it has not shown any signs of sand on it. Just scratches appearing.

The scratches cannot appears like that, something has scratched your phone, I have it for 1 month and there is ont a single scratch on the screen, it's really strange...

2 weeks, as new.
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You're not alone. I found several lower left side. Frustrating to say the least!
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I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
I always got the latest flagship phone from Samsung, Apple, and Google. I am not using any screen protector, just a very thin back cases at 0.35mm. Micro scratches are present in all devices all around the screen but barely noticeable even in bright lighting like on mornings outdoor. Only visible at certain lighting and when you really looked for those scratches. If you do not want those micro scratches or glass scratches, then use a screen protector. Phone screens are mostly glass and not pure sapphires to not be scratched (except using diamonds). There is no way for phones with glass screens to be at 100% smoothness for a long time without using a screen protector unless you are not using it. Also, you won't use your phone forever anyway. You'll eventually upgrade after let's say 2 years maybe so why not just use it as it is.
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I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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theprfct10 said:
I think the original posters comment was meant to supplement several other posters on this forum to suggest that for some reason the glass on this particular flagship phone seems to be more susceptible to scratches than previous models
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Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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theprfct10 said:
We can agree to disagree. I also don't think you should judge anybody on this forum just by nature of their post - I'm sure he and I are just as careful as you are but that doesn't mean we are in any way negligent for the scratches that seem to have appeared on our phones versus you
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What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
What i was saying is that, it's not that we are not careful or it's not that the phone is bad. It's just the way it is. Use a screen protector and your phone screen will be smooth. Don't use a screen protector and your phone screen will eventually have scratches. Not because you are not careful but that's just how it is. It's not made to be scratch proof, just scratch resistant.
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That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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theprfct10 said:
That I completely agree with you although I must tell you several screen protectors especially for the curved glass are nowhere near as smooth as the original glass on the phone itself and you can include the film protectors for sure - thank you for keeping it civil.
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There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
There is actually, the official screen protector from samsung. Not a tempered glass, but a curved film that will fit up to the edges of the phone. It does not involve wet aplplication btw, just apply as normal screen protector. Also, i have seen one film screen protector that sticks up to the back of the phone (not the whole back) and it's definitely not gonna peel off as the screen protector does not end on the edges, but on the back which is quite clever i think so that the protector will really be protected up to its edges and it will not peel off at the same time. It's a very thin film so cases will still fit.
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Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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theprfct10 said:
Cool, do you remember the brand of that one?
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The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.

MarkerBeanXDA said:
The one i saw was from ScreenSecure i think but many stalls are doing it in malls for about $4.
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Thanks!
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MarkerBeanXDA said:
Well i don't think so. I have used almost all flagships from apple, samsung, and nexus phones as my daily driver and It all got micro scratches after 2-3days of using it without a screen protector. I am careful with using my phone and not putting it on my bag without a towel or soft cloth covering the phone and when putting it on my pocket sometimes, i am making sure it's clean and nothing on it, just the phone.
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I´ve never had a scratch with iphones before, for years, obviously not counting when my iphone 5s fell to the floor

It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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BarryH_GEG said:
It scratches at level 6 on the hardness scale which is pretty typical of high-end smartphones. Saying "my previous phones never scratched" is like saying "I never had an accident in my previous cars" after having an accident in your current one and then blaming the manufacturer. .
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Dude he's just making a comparison that's all.
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