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I've been doing lots of research lately to find a tablet for my wife - primarily for work, but also for play. She currently has an old Dell laptop and iPhone 4 for reference. She would be using this new machine to input information as she travels from patient to patient (whether in the car or the office), so portability, battery life, and quick input (aka touch input) are key features.
I've narrowed it down to 3 machines:
HP 2740p (12.1" capacitive screen, windows 7, convertible tablet)
Lenovo X201t (12.1" capacitive screen, windows 7, convertible tablet)
Asus eee pad Transformer 32GB + laptop dock
I know these are quite different machines, basically either a small, but powerful and much more expensive, Windows 7 laptop or a smaller, efficient, relatively powerful (for Android) tablet. I have no problem maintaining / tweaking / hacking both android tablets and Windows 7 tablets and getting them into a more user friendly state for my wife to use, so that's not really an issue.
My question is does anyone have side by side experience with the TF and either the HP or Lenovo? The screens on the windows tablets are matte and do ok outdoors, but how would the TF with a matte screen protector perform outdoors? Is the TF 10.1" screen too small for work? My wife primarily uses the laptop for low complexity word processing and spreadsheets (so a keyboard is crucial), email communications, and internet research, but I am sure how she uses it will change as we explore touch input - so is Android Honeycomb (currently) too limiting? I know my program possibilties are much more capable with a windows machine, but do we really need those. I've read that many have basically replaced their netbook / laptop with the TF, but I think this is based on how one needs to use the machine.
We will also be using this for some personal use (i.e., playing netflix, entertaining the kids, ebook reading, etc.) so that plays into some.
Thanks for any insight one can offer. I'm trying to keep costs out of the decision and get what she needs, but for what it's worth I can get the TF 32GB + keyboard dock for $650 shipped vs a refurbished HP 2740p with an i5 560M for $1,050 + extended slim battery (~10 hrs) for $100 + 1.8" 60GB SSD for $140 = total just under $1,300 and just over 4.5 pounds for somewhat similar battery life and bootup / resume speed as the TF.
Gabes Dad said:
My wife primarily uses the laptop for low complexity word processing and spreadsheets (so a keyboard is crucial), email communications, and internet research, but I am sure how she uses it will change as we explore touch input - so is Android Honeycomb (currently) too limiting?
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YES, Honeycomb is too limiting; the office suits available for it are only good for viewing and small quick edits. Despite having a touch screen, even the smallest word processing task takes too much time. Therefore I wouldn't recommend an Android Tablet for office related tasks.
EDIT : If cost is a factor, then get a 10" netbook, that would be far more efficient than a Transformer with a keyboard.
It should do fine with normal word processing (nothing fancy like graph inserts, etc). I think Quickoffice HD's spreadsheet supports equations and such, haven't tried anything on Excel yet.
Phoenix and frosty, thanks for your input.
Since none of the machines are available locally, I might have her look at the Acer Iconic tab A500, which is in stock locally at Best Big to at least get a feel for Android Honeycomb and the screen size / resolution.
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If I needed it for work I would want to make sure that I was using the same apps that my colleagues used. For me that would be MS Office with full macro and add-in support so would restrict me to a Windows device. Your wife may have similar requirements.
i wanted to get a surface rt, but it wasn't able to play minecraft
What other Windows 8 Tablet do you think i could get for about <$600
Thank You :good:
The only tablets that will run minecraft playably would be those powered by an i5 processor and cost closer to $1000 not 600.
600 will get an Intel atom based tablet and that's it. Slightly better than the version in netbooks but still essentially netbook hardware. I do know 3 people who happily play minecraft on netbooks but they have to use optifine light, tiny render and one of them insists on using a reduced colour depth texture pack (which makes little difference). Even so they only achieve about 20fps, the nether lags unplayably, rain causes lay and TNT is dangerous to their frame rates. They are using 1.3 and 1.6ghz dual cores, these windows 8 tablets get an updated (read faster) version of the atom at 1.8ghz instead so will cope better but don't expect to be installing mods (other than optifine) or hd textures or render distances further than tiny or short.
If your intention is to spend $600 on something to play minecraft on, don't get a tablet. $600 will get a far more powerful laptop or an even more powerful desktop. For the same price as my desktop here in the UK (capable of 140fps minecraft, far render, fancy graphics etc) you can only get atom based tablets. For the same price as my desktop you can get a 15" laptop capable of 50fps on far render.
if you do want an atom based tablet, the standard option is the Asus vivotab smart (me400c I think is the designation, not sure), its a 10" unit, capacitative touch only (no fancy stylus basically) and no keyboard dock although they do offer a wallet style case which features a stand and an area to clip an optional Bluetooth keyboard to. It is probably the cheapest tablet you will find for windows 8, a YouTube user called robaxx has uploaded several reviews for the tablet. All atom based tablets have identical specs apart from whether they offer an active stylus or a keyboard dock.
I have acer w500 with Windows 8 pro - works perfectly - I have played Settlers 7, Minecraft and a few of the xbox store games no problem
Not sure what fps I get on it - I have a ps3 and xbox360 which I prefer over pc gaming so Im not too concerned about playing anything heavy duty
The only gripe I have, is the lack of memory - My W500 only has a 32GB ssd, this is nearly all used up with the install size of Windows 8 alone
I have 32gb SD card which I have moved a lot of stuff too and 3 external usb hard drives I carry about with me filled with data but I would appreciate the tablet more if it even had 128GB ssd instead
You can check the fps by pressing f3, gives alot of info on the debug screen. If it is playing nicely then that is good news.
I am personally going for the atom based tablets myself but I already have a powerful desktop for gaming. Playing minecraft or anything else would only be a bonus.
thanks guys for the help!
i was looking at the asus vivo tab smart (me400c) it looks ok
still lookin as to what to settle on
I have two win8 tablets. The first I got was the Samsung Ativ which I really like but it wasn't perfect for work because the size made it difficult to carry around and portrait mode was awkward for note taking. I just got the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 which is a 10.1 inch device with is the perfect size and weight for note taking. So I guess it depends on your needs but for me I like both options. I use the larger device at home and the smaller at work and for travel.
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There is also the Dell Latitude ST, a 10 in. Atom tablet and the only one in the market that have a REMOVABLE battery. Sorry I don't play games so I can't comment on games, but if other Atom tablet can play games then the Dell Latitude ST should be fine.
I dot Vivo Tab TF810c and I am perfectly happy with it. If you got any questions - shoot.
thanks so much! it's so hard to choose
i just wish the microsft surface wasn't "RT" it looks so nice!
and i like the Asus tivo smart (me400c) but it doesn't have a full USB port
With Vivo Tab you can get 2 full USB ports in dock.
And batt. life is amazing - I charge it once a week (just in case, not that it needs it - but I just feel guilty...) and use it every evening.
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I dot Vivo Tab TF810c and I am perfectly happy with it. If you got any questions - shoot.
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looks like but about $300 over my price, i can afford that but i don't know if i wanna spend that much on a tablet
Well, I had the same problem as Vivo Tab is.... pricey...
Right now I do not regret a single penny spend on this device (Is still have iPad 3G and had Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a while).
It is amazing how it is built, and how Atom nice works inside. Always cool, with nice keyboard dock (battery life already mentioned). Thin, light and does everything I need.
It will stay with me for next few years,,,
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Well, I had the same problem as Vivo Tab is.... pricey...
Right now I do not regret a single penny spend on this device (Is still have iPad 3G and had Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 for a while).
It is amazing how it is built, and how Atom nice works inside. Always cool, with nice keyboard dock (battery life already mentioned). Thin, light and does everything I need.
It will stay with me for next few years,,,
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i gotta find a store that sells it cheap here, only one store i can think of is Harvey Norman but they want $1086 That's diffently abit much, for a tablet as my macbook air suits me fine
I paid in Poland 3799 zl this is a bit over $1100 (with 2 yr warranty included).
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I paid in Poland 3799 zl this is a bit over $1100 (with 2 yr warranty included).
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wow, i suppose i could buy one from USA Asus Vivo Tab TF810C $809 I'd assume it'd work in Australia i'd just need a different charger but if its just a normal USB charger thing i got hundreads of them anyway
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wow, i suppose i could buy one from USA Asus Vivo Tab TF810C $809 I'd assume it'd work in Australia i'd just need a different charger but if its just a normal USB charger thing i got hundreads of them anyway
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You get seperate charger + USB cable with "special" plaug for device. This means it can be used with any USB charger.
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You get seperate charger + USB cable with "special" plaug for device. This means it can be used with any USB charger.
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so perfect
how is the app development like is there alot of games etc avalible everyone on youtube complains there isn't anything availble not that i care just curious never used windows 8
I am not sure what you mean - it has normal Windows 8 on board so everything that is working on Win7 & 8 and probably 99% of software from Vista and XP will work on it.
If you are asking about Modern UI apps.. than check MS Store. In general apps for Modern UI are leisure apps - not for work but for relax - Netflix, Hulu Plus, some games, drawing apps, etc... work you do on normal apps in desktop mode.
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I am not sure what you mean - it has normal Windows 8 on board so everything that is working on Win7 & 8 and probably 99% of software from Vista and XP will work on it.
If you are asking about Modern UI apps.. than check MS Store. In general apps for Modern UI are leisure apps - not for work but for relax - Netflix, Hulu Plus, some games, drawing apps, etc... work you do on normal apps in desktop mode.
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yeah i meant the MS store sorry haha and cool
Oh... well. It is not perfect but it is growing daily.
Point is that because you can use normal apps on it even if MS Store lacks something it is not really an issue.
As there is ZERO such apps for XP, Vista and 7 and no one ever complained about it saying - look Windows suck because for iOS you got thousands of apps.
You will definitely find something cool for evening time!
I have made up my mind that I want to upgrade from my old iPad 2 to an x86 Win8 tablet, but I have been trying to decide which one to get. The Surface Pro 2 looks nice, but the battery life seems a bit lacking from reviews that I have seen, and Bay Trail seems to be reasonably powerful for a cheaper cost and longer life, but I'm still unsure. The main reason I want a Win8 tablet is PC gaming. I know I won't be able to run games anywhere near the highest settings; I just want to run them, period. Would Bay Trail suffice, or do I need an i-series processor to get reasonable gaming capability? Second, I want the tablet to have a digitizer & stylus. I have been totally spoiled by my Galaxy Note 2, and now I use it to take notes in all my classes, but would appreciate the extra screen real estate. As for price, I don't want to spend over a grand for a tablet, as I already have a primary Windows machine. I would like the tablet to get at least 6 hours of battery (The Acer Iconia W700 originally caught my eye thanks to its 8 hours), since I'm used to iPad-length use and would like to have something that can at least manage 3/4ths of that. The Dell Latitude 11 looks promising, but with no confirmation on a US release date nor the cost of options, I'm not sure if it is worth the wait. Opinions?
I have an intel core i3 laptop running at 1.8ghz with the default intel HD4000 graphics. Runs BF3 on minimum *just* and skyrim with a config hack. I doubt baytrail will run either one at all sadly. Surface pro will definitely run both (and thanks to the updated graphics may not require the config hack, if not all you need is notepad to fix skyrim), its more powerful than my laptop is, just lacking in battery department as you say and rather expensive.
I would perhaps look on youtube for when people start posting their own unboxing videos and ask them *nicely* if they could test X program. Youtube user robaxx did a few demos of user requests with his clovertrail device.
If gaming wasnt a requirement baytrail would probably be overqualified immediately. The old atom chips from netbooks were quite happy with office and visual studio etc, VLC even seems capable of decoding 1080p video on my brothers 1.3ghz netbook (however he only has a 1024*600 screen or something so it certainly doesnt play at 1080p, the video file is natively 1080p). However minecraft with the optifine mod still only squeezes 15fps on both tiny and short render (seriously, same on both distances, weird).
I have this one and absolutely love it. It's a little bulkier than the Surface but runs really well. The only minor complaint I have is that the screen prevents you from viewing from multiple angles (basically the screen gets dark when looking at it from the side).
Otherwise, it's fantastic! I use it as a tablet most of the time, but having the option to connect to a keyboard with an extra battery and USB/HDMI ports really comes in handy.
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Hi guys,
I just come across this blog post and felt the need to reply.
Rob Weber's 2014 Predictions for the Mobile Gaming Market
It quickly turned into my own blog post :laugh:
Overview:
The big 3 Console manufactures have stagnated
Mobile hardware and Google Android is advancing rapidly
Convergence of Mobile HW/SW into the desktop domain
Resurgence of the microcomputer (highend Android appliance)
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I used my laptop (rather then turning on the desktop) mainly for simple general things like emails, web browsing, chat and reading/writing documents etc.
After using the MOJO with a full USB keyboard and mouse on the coffee table for the past week my laptop has been made redundant.
As a desktop/laptop replacement, The MOJO has great performance with superb multi-tasking of applications.
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My blog post is here:
http://xpcoin.com/2014/02/08/micro-consoles-or-microcomputers
Feedback welcome
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Hi guys,
I just come across this blog post and felt the need to reply.
Rob Weber's 2014 Predictions for the Mobile Gaming Market
It quickly turned into my own blog post :laugh:
My blog post is here:
http://xpcoin.com/2014/02/08/micro-consoles-or-microcomputers
Feedback welcome
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I agree with you gwald. I think android micro-consoles are just beginning. Since the idea of the Ouya came to light, I couldn't wait to get an android gaming console. Of course, Ouya wasn't exactly what I wanted. I think the perfect android console would use a stock google android experience, great hardware and access to any and every game out there in the android ecosystem. Enter: Madcatz MOJO, this does everything I could dream an android console could do - and more. I really think 6 months from now, or by the end of the year, the MOJO will have the updates it needs and more and more controller compatible games will be released - making the MOJO even better. If you were to put an Xbox One, PS4, and MOJO right in front of me I would still pick the MOJO. Android is the perfect OS for gaming console, and devs out there are truly making some really great games - and they are so cheap!
If any gaming systems are going to phase out sooner than later - I'm betting it's going to be the big three. With Android entering the living room space via micro console, hdmi sticks, set top boxes etc - consumers have many more options to choose from, and don't have to spend $400 or more on a console with games at $60 a pop. Just my thoughts!
ya I agree I show my friends that have consoles and they are surprised on the graphics coming from a small box. and its coming along just hope the suppoert for this is long term
Hey thanks for the feed back guys
It's an interesting landscape for sure:
Microsoft considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone
Sources familiar with Microsoft’s plans tell The Verge that the company is seriously considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone.
While planning is ongoing and it's still early, we’re told that some inside Microsoft favor the idea of simply enabling Android apps inside its Windows and Windows Phone Stores, while others believe it could lead to the death of the Windows platform altogether.
The mixed (and strong) feelings internally highlight that Microsoft will need to be careful with any radical move.
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If MS does provide native support for android apps.. it will make their own native development tools less important.
Making Android demographic's more important then iOS.
It can't be a stock google experience, not until google bakes in a 10' experience based launcher. Using a controller or air mouse to move a cursor on a screen is just terrible ux.
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It can't be a stock google experience, not until google bakes in a 10' experience based launcher. Using a controller or air mouse to move a cursor on a screen is just terrible ux.
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Thats the reason I love it. Stock Google Android. I wouldn't want some launcher skinned over the top. I like the interface, plus I already know how to use it. After owning my MOJO for over a month, I know the CTRLR like the back of my hand. It's really easy to use. What's more, you can hook up any wired, wireless, or bluetooth device such as a mouse and keyboard to make it more PC like if you want to navigate that way.
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Hey thanks for the feed back guys
It's an interesting landscape for sure:
Microsoft considering allowing Android apps to run on both Windows and Windows Phone
If MS does provide native support for android apps.. it will make their own native development tools less important.
Making Android demographic's more important then iOS.
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I think MS implementing android app compatibility is about as likely as Apple producing an android phone. I think MS's next big move is integrating their PC/Tablet/Phone OS's rolled into one. I've read a few articles over the last few months that points this. I think it'd be a cool idea and bring something a little fresher out there for windows users. I really don't see MS pulling out of the phone market anytime soon, but then again, I really don't see them on par with android or apple. I think we still have a few more years to go for MS to stop throwing money at the OS and saying the heck with it. I personally enjoy their mobile OS. Back when the ZuneHD came out, I loved it. Had always thought they were on to something with that user interface - then that turned in to Windows phone pretty much. I know their mobile products aren't the most popular, but it sure is a pretty OS and does the job quite well.
I love my mojo, and the ctrl controller is one of the best I've ever owned.
IMMENSE
The future and the evolution of android consoles and mobile devices is going to be litteraly immense,all pc's and console will likely be made completely redundant within 10 yrs tops i should imagine,as all development and so forth will eventually be producable on an android device or android pc of some description,with the fact the devices use little power then i cannot see why a pc will be the slightest bit necissary unless it has android as a primary os.
The consoles are just begining and it looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away why fork out 430 GBP for a xbox one or what ever is top trumps as a standard console when the K1 arrives?
The mad catz m.o.j.o i own yes isn't a console in terms of the power of a 360 ps3 or xbox one or a ps4,but with prices of energy bills rising,the fact that games for android are rapidly needing more power from gpu's and the fact they now are actually starting to look amazing on tegra 4,then consoles and windows/apple systems are going to be hard pressed to make ends meet in a shrinking market once the big boy chips arrive for android devices eg.K1 (keplar 1).
I am a computer repair technician and even i can see what is happening,although i may find it eventually bypasses the need for a pc or laptop,it's cheaper to buy hardware and software,and because there are no real mechanical components in android devices as such eg.hdd's ram chips,psu's and so forth and because they are so cheap to replace on average,then people will see other systems as irrelivent and expensive to repair and switch over given time,and the simple fact eg. a mad catz m.o.j.o runs 4.26 to 24v so i here then why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games? It seems win win for android and loose loose for pc's.
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The future and the evolution of android consoles and mobile devices is going to be litteraly immense,all pc's and console will likely be made completely redundant within 10 yrs tops i should imagine,as all development and so forth will eventually be producable on an android device or android pc of some description,with the fact the devices use little power then i cannot see why a pc will be the slightest bit necissary unless it has android as a primary os.
The consoles are just begining and it looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away why fork out 430 GBP for a xbox one or what ever is top trumps as a standard console when the K1 arrives?
The mad catz m.o.j.o i own yes isn't a console in terms of the power of a 360 ps3 or xbox one or a ps4,but with prices of energy bills rising,the fact that games for android are rapidly needing more power from gpu's and the fact they now are actually starting to look amazing on tegra 4,then consoles and windows/apple systems are going to be hard pressed to make ends meet in a shrinking market once the big boy chips arrive for android devices eg.K1 (keplar 1).
I am a computer repair technician and even i can see what is happening,although i may find it eventually bypasses the need for a pc or laptop,it's cheaper to buy hardware and software,and because there are no real mechanical components in android devices as such eg.hdd's ram chips,psu's and so forth and because they are so cheap to replace on average,then people will see other systems as irrelivent and expensive to repair and switch over given time,and the simple fact eg. a mad catz m.o.j.o runs 4.26 to 24v so i here then why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games? It seems win win for android and loose loose for pc's.
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looks like the K1 soc chip will blow the consoles away
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Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
why pay all the electric cost for 500w pc's and higher to play games
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I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Yes your right about that.
And that the reason i do not use Cloud servers for photos or music, only for Apps or Firmwares and such, and thats also the reason i do not use
Facebook or twitter.
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Your kidding right?
Because the Tegra 4 has 72 Cores, and the Tegra K1 192 Cores, and thats allot less then what the Playstation 4 have, that one has a AMD Radeon GPU with 1152 Cores, and the Xbox One GPU is also a AMD Radeon with 768 Cores.
And thats a LOT MORE then the Tegra K1 with only 192 Cores.
I have a High end Game PC (Intel Core i7 980 + Geforce GTX 680OC + 6 GB RAM 1866MHz) and i can play ALL games on Very High and 1920x1080, and my system uses MAX 320w when i play high end games, have a Energy measurer.
And the newer GPU,s like Geforce GTX 7** and Intel CPU's use even less power then my system, only when you use 2 GPU's you are using
500+ watts, and there are not allot of people with does systems, and i know, because i make PC systems.
But yes 300w +/- is allot more then 5w, but the games still looks and sounds 10 times better then any Android game.
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Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
Besides the point is "apparently" either way you cut it the world of android gaming will be changed forever when the K1 hit's high street stores and every other system i'm guessing will be extortionately more expensive in comparrison and therefore irrelevant once it progreses further.Why bother with big bulky systems when 1 fits all solutions half or a 3rd the price come of age and compete at least with gaming rigs in some way shape or form.The other thing is watts the power consumption of gaming rigs is miles above that of android tv box's yet they seem to process data at astonishing rates,i had a fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 and ssd drive and i'd say my tegra 4 mad catz mojo is knocking close-ish to that so why bother if i pay 179.95 gbp for that yeah games aren't as good but they feel different in a unique and good way,but keplar is supposedly going to add pc level graphics when that comes so maybe i'll upgrade then?
Bu basically pc gpu's have to be continually upgraded but android devices last far longer before the need so i'd rather pay the couple or few hundred quid on a whole android console than i would for a pc gpu every yr or so just to play the games,whereas i would be getting a whole android console for that price and not need to do so for 3 years at a guess saving half the money and staying in the trend with android gaming apposed to pc gaming,which is all about fps these days now any way,i got bored of it all being uniform.Pc games are great at times but they arebecoming a bit tedious these days in my personal opinion.
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Sure, now, but the future is not in PC's. PC's will be redundant, as he stated. PC's will soon be the "niche" market. Micro consoles, wearable tech, mobile, cloud, internet of things, is the future. Tech will get smaller and more powerful and everything will "connect". Cloud servers will also be doing a lot of the processing and storage, meaning less need for powerful hardware from the user. Of course, these things will bring up privacy and security issues, but that's a different topic for a different day I suppose.
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Absolutely right,couldn't say it better.Privacy issues are the only reason from reading posts online that the current businesses have not yet switched to android as the main os of favour.
But all that is really needed is companies to adopt the use of vpn's and the security issues are sliced down to almost nothing or at the very least dramatically cut down.
There are some android touch screen pc's coming to the market soon unless the us and japan etc has them now?Once this happens i can see companies adopting them any way.No more extra cost on parts and no more waiting times as such in software,it's just better and in fact it's safer to use than windows ,cloud storage systems are a good idea but i'd still back my systems up to an external hard drive and not to a cloud thus narrowing down the chances of data theft.
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Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
Besides the point is "apparently" either way you cut it the world of android gaming will be changed forever when the K1 hit's high street stores and every other system i'm guessing will be extortionately more expensive in comparrison and therefore irrelevant once it progreses further.Why bother with big bulky systems when 1 fits all solutions half or a 3rd the price come of age and compete at least with gaming rigs in some way shape or form.The other thing is watts the power consumption of gaming rigs is miles above that of android tv box's yet they seem to process data at astonishing rates,i had a fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 and ssd drive and i'd say my tegra 4 mad catz mojo is knocking close-ish to that so why bother if i pay 179.95 gbp for that yeah games aren't as good but they feel different in a unique and good way,but keplar is supposedly going to add pc level graphics when that comes so maybe i'll upgrade then?
Bu basically pc gpu's have to be continually upgraded but android devices last far longer before the need so i'd rather pay the couple or few hundred quid on a whole android console than i would for a pc gpu every yr or so just to play the games,whereas i would be getting a whole android console for that price and not need to do so for 3 years at a guess saving half the money and staying in the trend with android gaming apposed to pc gaming,which is all about fps these days now any way,i got bored of it all being uniform.Pc games are great at times but they arebecoming a bit tedious these days in my personal opinion.
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Absolutely right,couldn't say it better.Privacy issues are the only reason from reading posts online that the current businesses have not yet switched to android as the main os of favour.
But all that is really needed is companies to adopt the use of vpn's and the security issues are sliced down to almost nothing or at the very least dramatically cut down.
There are some android touch screen pc's coming to the market soon unless the us and japan etc has them now?Once this happens i can see companies adopting them any way.No more extra cost on parts and no more waiting times as such in software,it's just better and in fact it's safer to use than windows ,cloud storage systems are a good idea but i'd still back my systems up to an external hard drive and not to a cloud thus narrowing down the chances of data theft.
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Sorry to say but the fm2 quad 3.6ghz 8gb ddr3 is MUCH faster then your Mad Catz M.O.J.O., you can't even compare the two of them, but you forget one thing Windows uses a lot of power, put Linux on your computer and he will blow Windows away.
And sorry to say but MOST people buy a different Phone or in your case Android TV Box every year.
And i buy a new GFX Card every 3 a 4 years, and MB i do even longer with, my X58 is already 4 years old, and the same for CPU, updated my
Intel CPU from Quad to 6-Core, almost 2 years ago.
And the world of android gaming will NOT be changed forever with the the Tegra K1, because when it cames out there will be GPU's and
CPU's that are as fast as that one, or even faster, same with Tegra 4.
The Tegra 4 is nothing special, the GPU that is in the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 (the Adreno 330) is as fast (and sometimes faster) as the
Tegra 4.
And with the Tegra K1 we will NOT get PC or Playstation 4 or Xbox One graphics, that still is going to be allot of years, or do you think
Sony and Microsoft are stupit if Android devices are as good looking (graphics) as them in only a view years?
And Android devices also have to be upgraded ever time, to play all games 100%.
PHYSC-1 said:
Keplar is high end gaming graphics architecture is it not from what online info dictates?
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Yes it is, but not compared to latest PC/console tech.
Keplar is being compared to PS3/XBox360 and it will be a lot better then those... but these systems are over 6 years old and I would say the T4 is very close or better, ie the reflections the T4 does looks better then anything I've seen on those consoles.
NVidia is taking a huge gamble not focusing mobile phone hardware and moving more into TV boxes, tablets, android laptops... android desktops
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Yes it is, but not compared to latest PC/console tech.
Keplar is being compared to PS3/XBox360 and it will be a lot better then those... but these systems are over 6 years old and I would say the T4 is very close or better, ie the reflections the T4 does looks better then anything I've seen on those consoles.
NVidia is taking a huge gamble not focusing mobile phone hardware and moving more into TV boxes, tablets, android laptops... android desktops
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It's the parker chip being compared to the xbox 360 and ps3 mate not the K1 the K1 can run unreal engine 4 and has been demoed doing so at E3,i think that unreal engine 4 is leaps and bounds above ps3 and 360 capabilities i imagine it is any way?
The point i am making in general without trying to get on the wrong side of pc rig owners is this: It's innevitable that android will basically take most of the market for contempary tech,it will progress and it will overtake all but the equipment used to create it's software on in all likelyhood maybe not overnight or in a year or 3 but in time it will or something new will take off where it left off but likely android will be long lasting and evolve rapidly year by year,but even the tech (pc's) used to make android os in time be made via android computers as apposed to a windows build pc's with an android software on it.But people aren't these days looking for gaming rigs like they used to do as they are extremely expensive and android sits in a sort of middle ground somewhere between being a computer and a games console,but why buy one or the other if you can have both rolled in one?That's the perspective of the majority of end users and the younger tech oriented society today i woul imagine and it's a simple cold hard fact that it is what it is and will be what it will be.Just look at things like hud motorcycle helmets and golden-i with the police pro app and fire fighting app,it will become commercialy used given little time as a business os android will become the go to software.It's cheap it's easy and it doesn't "yet" harbour the kinds of difficulties of use or protection requirements of pc based computers as it's a mobile os.
Looking at the guy with the rig your talkin 1000 pounds plus for that system how many android gaming devices and wearable tech items could that buy you nowdays with cash like that.
It's absolutely no wonder using an i7 system you wouldn't need to buy anything else for a while,i love pc's i fix them buought a number of them for gaming amd builds but none the less the point there is pay loads of money and you get great pc's pay 180 quid on a mad catz m.o.j.o or similar and you get technically a pc and android gaming console with controller and shed loads left over to spend on thenext newest units.The other factor is your energy bills would be sky rocket in comparrisons as well.So android makes sense in todays climate and has the potential to give gaming rigs a run for their money given enough time to evolve.
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It's the parker chip being compared to the xbox 360 and ps3 mate not the K1 the K1 can run unreal engine 4 and has been demoed doing so at E3,i think that unreal engine 4 is leaps and bounds above ps3 and 360 capabilities i imagine it is any way?
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You can make almost any engine run on a Android system, just put detail VERY low and all the rest and whalla he will run on the slow Android
CPU/GPU, i mean compared to PC and newer Consoles.
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The point i am making in general without trying to get on the wrong side of pc rig owners is this: It's innevitable that android will basically take most of the market for contempary tech,it will progress and it will overtake all but the equipment used to create it's software on in all likelyhood maybe not overnight or in a year or 3 but in time it will or something new will take off where it left off but likely android will be long lasting and evolve rapidly year by year,but even the tech (pc's) used to make android os in time be made via android computers as apposed to a windows build pc's with an android software on it.But people aren't these days looking for gaming rigs like they used to do as they are extremely expensive and android sits in a sort of middle ground somewhere between being a computer and a games console,but why buy one or the other if you can have both rolled in one?That's the perspective of the majority of end users and the younger tech oriented society today i woul imagine and it's a simple cold hard fact that it is what it is and will be what it will be.Just look at things like hud motorcycle helmets and golden-i with the police pro app and fire fighting app,it will become commercialy used given little time as a business os android will become the go to software.It's cheap it's easy and it doesn't "yet" harbour the kinds of difficulties of use or protection requirements of pc based computers as it's a mobile os.
Looking at the guy with the rig your talkin 1000 pounds plus for that system how many android gaming devices and wearable tech items could that buy you nowdays with cash like that.
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HAHA, sorry to say but you are right about the future, but we are still not there, that will take many years still, and sorry to say but there are as many
people (even more) now as there was 5 years ago that buy a PC Game system that cost 1000 Pounds or more, the LAN-parties are only getting bigger
and bigger, so no there are not less people with a Game PC's, a Game Laptop is also a Game PC, but then portable.
And the Game consoles, Like the Playstation 3 and 4 and Xbox One are the middle ground, and NOT Android TV Boxes, i know no one that uses or
have a Android TV Box, only the ones i have given one myself.
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It's absolutely no wonder using an i7 system you wouldn't need to buy anything else for a while,i love pc's i fix them buought a number of them for gaming amd builds but none the less the point there is pay loads of money and you get great pc's pay 180 quid on a mad catz m.o.j.o or similar and you get technically a pc and android gaming console with controller and shed loads left over to spend on thenext newest units.The other factor is your energy bills would be sky rocket in comparrisons as well.So android makes sense in todays climate and has the potential to give gaming rigs a run for their money given enough time to evolve.
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But still it's NOTHING like a Game PC, and thats the point i am trying to make you see a long time now, people still do not buy Android TV BOXES, they
buy a Laptop PC Or Game PC or Playstation 4 and Xbox One to play games on or look at movies and download with and Internet with.
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As i said before it is what it is and it will be what it will be,the android gaming era is about to make a massive shift sooner rather than later.And where there is a consumer market with far less money to burn,then i am afraid it is just pure and simple calculation and common sense to think that people will go for the cheaper option in such hard times.And as it stands to get unreal engine 4 capable graphics then people are going to think i would rather pay a couple or few hundred quid not a grand.
Agreed
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You can make almost any engine run on a Android system, just put detail VERY low and all the rest and whalla he will run on the slow Android
CPU/GPU, i mean compared to PC and newer Consoles.
HAHA, sorry to say but you are right about the future, but we are still not there, that will take many years still, and sorry to say but there are as many
people (even more) now as there was 5 years ago that buy a PC Game system that cost 1000 Pounds or more, the LAN-parties are only getting bigger
and bigger, so no there are not less people with a Game PC's, a Game Laptop is also a Game PC, but then portable.
And the Game consoles, Like the Playstation 3 and 4 and Xbox One are the middle ground, and NOT Android TV Boxes, i know no one that uses or
have a Android TV Box, only the ones i have given one myself.
But still it's NOTHING like a Game PC, and thats the point i am trying to make you see a long time now, people still do not buy Android TV BOXES, they
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I agree with you it's nothing like pc games 'yet' on android meaning those style games will come as hardware capability evolves with k1 ushering in that start point for change graphically on android units, but pc games are now a little uniform and tbh a little bit tedious, android offers fresh ideas in play style very often, it's sort of a break from the mundane if you like.Not that all pc games are mundane but lets face it tonnes of the releases are an upgrade to predated games or a repetitive style of game that got an update/upgrade or hd rewrite.The production of new pc games seems to be falling where android software and app production seems to be continually and very quickly rising.
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The production of new pc games seems to be falling where android software and app production seems to be continually and very quickly rising.
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Yeah I agree, it reminds me of gaming on PC back in windows 3 days.
Not as popular as consoles gaming.. but it did got there...
The same is happening with Android.... it just needs one 'doom' like game or TV app
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Yeah I agree, it reminds me of gaming on PC back in windows 3 days.
Not as popular as consoles gaming.. but it did got there...
The same is happening with Android.... it just needs one 'doom' like game or TV app
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tbh i do have the sneeking suspision that epic working with nvidia on android software = either gears of war or a new game that bares some form of resembelance to it or makes the same kind of impact on android as it did for the 360 once this keplar chip comes of ag, you may find that title is being kept under tight wraps and will make a debut when k1 hits stores as the flagship game of choice and favor or at the least one of them.
It's got to be a team effort and must be why they are working in parallel at present in regards to this keplar k1 chip software for it's games.Apparently borderlands was supposed to hit the current tegra 4 but i think that may be a title for keplar k1 as well,in fact borderlands has even got a trailer forget the exact title but it's hanging about on youtube right now,it only seems to be video and not ingame footage though unfortunately.So maybe that is because it takes keplar to run it on?They will probably bang out a more vast selection of games on release day this time,because it would definately appear some serious game making firms are in cahoots with nvidia in relation to android gaming as of late.And my money would be on the bet that keplar is the main reason for this sudden interest,as it's going to be yet another console platform for companies to work with.
well my budget allows me to buy this device all though im still considering buying the TF701T i already have an android tablet that fulfils my needs (an xperia Z1 tablet) im a student and can use a computer as a substitute to a notebook
my uses are studies of course i travel a lot on trains so a fluent web browser and 1080p movie playback would be great too and very very light gaming i saw that the T100 runs some late 2012-2013 gaming on low settings its enough to pass a train ride for me
so what do you suggest guys? im in a big dilemma over here
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well my budget allows me to buy this device all though im still considering buying the TF701T i already have an android tablet that fulfils my needs (an xperia Z1 tablet) im a student and can use a computer as a substitute to a notebook
my uses are studies of course i travel a lot on trains so a fluent web browser and 1080p movie playback would be great too and very very light gaming i saw that the T100 runs some late 2012-2013 gaming on low settings its enough to pass a train ride for me
so what do you suggest guys? im in a big dilemma over here
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My personal suggestion would be the T100.... What I like about it is the full version windows, so you have much more flexibility in terms of software... Specially having the office suite make it a good choice for study concerns... I have a dell venue pro and i just love the versatility of windows 8...
>Asus T100 Worth it?
Probably not. It'll be outdated within the month, when new Bay Trail lines come out for back-to-school shopping. The new stuff will be cheaper, and won't have problems of the previous gen, like 32-bit UEFI. Buy T100 if it's a good deal, say half off, but that won't happen until Oct/Nov when last-gen stuff hit bargain bin.
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>Asus T100 Worth it?
Probably not. It'll be outdated within the month, when new Bay Trail lines come out for back-to-school shopping. The new stuff will be cheaper, and won't have problems of the previous gen, like 32-bit UEFI. Buy T100 if it's a good deal, say half off, but that won't happen until Oct/Nov when last-gen stuff hit bargain bin.
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im not looking for some high-end laptop every thing will be eventually outdated its just a matter of months because technology is in non stop full throttle evolving.
i think ill buy the t100 with the 500GB expansion on the dock which is kinda choking in budget terms but its probably worth it.
another question does the 500GB HDD drain massive battery? i mean its an HDD it must be draining battery but the real question is how much it drains.
and for 1080P were talking MKV'S right? im not using streaming of some sort even though i'd like to see DLNA on this tablet (does it have DLNA?)
thanks for the answers guys
I am answering you from my T100, I got it on march and it's awesome. I study electrical engeneering and the software needs are perfectly covered by the tablet in terms of simulations with Origin, Maple or any kind until now. The office suite is a full version and works great, some guy who went with me had a Mac and he had a bunch of problems in terms of compatibility and even an inferior performance(it was a 2012, I think).
Related to your question, the HDD drain is horrible, it's getting better with every update but it a bad performance. You can't go to sleep and leave it on because on the morning it will have died. In my opinion it's the only thing the iPad has better than the asus, the resting battery drain is bad, if I'm not going to use it in 1 hour I shut it down, it boots in 10 seconds so you don't really lose time and the performance difference worth it.
I hope I helped you, good luck.
The hard drive does shut down when it's idle, which helps minimise any power drain. If you knew you weren't using the hard drive, but wanted to be sure it didn't cause any drain, you can also "eject" it (using the "safely remove hardware" icon at bottom right on taskbar). (Annoyingly sometimes Windows says it can't, but undocking and redocking fixes it...)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Transformer-Book-T100TA-C1-GR-Convertible.106219.0.html says their website-surfing test showed 9h16m for with hard drive, 10h47m without. So a significant difference, but OTOH, I decided that over 9 hours was still very good, especially compared to laptops.
All Windows PCs can be DLNA servers as standard (via Windows Media Player), and many Windows 8 apps support playing to DLNA devices too. Playing from other DLNA devices should be no problem. I don't think DLNA requires any special hardware support, it's just done through standard Wifi.
I've found the T100 to be a great choice for an ultra-portable laptop, the low price and being able to double up as a tablet is a bonus. It's much more functional than Android tablets. If you already have an Android tablet, you'll get the best of both worlds (I have a Nexus 7; each platform has its own strengths). It's not as powerful as full laptops, but those are bigger and/or heavier, and the T100 is still fast enough for most purposes. It's way faster than older Atom netbooks (not just CPU; the SSD means much smoother performance than the crappy slow hard drives many netbooks used to have - even the hard drive in the dock is much faster than my old netbook's drive).
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You can't go to sleep and leave it on because on the morning it will have died. In my opinion it's the only thing the iPad has better than the asus, the resting battery drain is bad
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Well, there's a version of the T100 without hard drive, as well as plenty of other Windows tablets without hard drives.
Though I don't know if that is the reason - there really shouldn't be any significant drain on a T100 in sleep (even with hard drive - it should be shut down when sleeping). But some people have had problems on battery drain, which could be various reasons. I had terrible drain overnight, but this was fixed by updating to the latest BIOS driver. It's something that is more likely to be problematic on x86 Windows due to its heritage, compared to ARM mobile OSes like Android, but still, things are way better than what many laptops can do (e.g., being able to play music whilst on sleep).
BTW, for those in the market, T100 refurb (32GB flash) is hitting bargain bin at NewEgg. Good until 7/5.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231730
$260 - $50 rebate (cash card) = $210
Decent deal for a last-gen refurb. Worth it if you need one right now, but new (BETTER! SHINIER!) toys are imminent. I expect the T100 successor with same above config will be $250-300. Less problems, better support.