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I want to root my S4, and thankfully it's still on MDL. I've been reading that the MF3 update has been forced upon some. My question is, what would be the best way to root without the update being forced upon me at reboot?
I plan on using the CASUAL root tool, which says that as well as root, it installs TWRP onto the device. I'm assuming that TWRP for our device has the loki patcher built in? That's the main thing that Confuses me is when that necessary to be used.
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EggosEvo said:
I want to root my S4, and thankfully it's still on MDL. I've been reading that the MF3 update has been forced upon some. My question is, what would be the best way to root without the update being forced upon me at reboot?
I plan on using the CASUAL root tool, which says that as well as root, it installs TWRP onto the device. I'm assuming that TWRP for our device has the loki patcher built in? That's the main thing that Confuses me is when that necessary to be used.
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Turn off mobile date and wifi to avoid the update. Run CASUAL. Once you have run, install titanium backup. There is an apk you can freeze to block the update. Search the forums for which to freeze.
Or preferably flash a custom ROM. They remove the updater stuff : )
Edit: Freeze these
If you want to avoid the update, you should root your phone and freeze the following three apps using titanium backup or some similar app.
1. AT&T Software update Vxx_x_xxxx_x_x
2. FWUpgrade x.x.x
3. LocalFOTA vx_xxxx_x_x
As per: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2301762
Just thought people might like to know if you unroot via motoroot or pwnmymoto and then install the OTA, the entitlement hack sticks through the update. I only rooted for that reason and now that it stuck I don't need to re-root!
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ssgtob1 said:
Just thought people might like to know if you unroot via motoroot or pwnmymoto and then install the OTA, the entitlement hack sticks through the update. I only rooted for that reason and now that it stuck I don't need to re-root!
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Yes you are correct it was this way on the droid razr throughout all the updates that I did. Anyways you can still have the joy in testing and go ahead and root it you can always hide root after rooting.
ssgtob1 said:
Just thought people might like to know if you unroot via motoroot or pwnmymoto and then install the OTA, the entitlement hack sticks through the update. I only rooted for that reason and now that it stuck I don't need to re-root!
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Okay, this is exactly what I would like to do to my Maxx. Don't really use root except for the wireless tether hack. What is the entire process you did if you don't mind me asking? I am currently rooted using pwnmymoto. Does it go something like this:
1. Download update.
2. Place file in correct location.
3. Unroot using pwnmymoto
4. Install update.
5. Enjoy Droid Maxx with tether and newest OTA Update.
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ssgtob1 said:
Just thought people might like to know if you unroot via motoroot or pwnmymoto and then install the OTA, the entitlement hack sticks through the update. I only rooted for that reason and now that it stuck I don't need to re-root!
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Can you tell us more about your setup? do you have a custom recovery? Are there any other system modifications? I am rooted with root my moto, & I have the entitlement hack, but I do not have a custom recovery. Were you pushed ota or did you download it from another source? the information is appreciated.
No customs recovery....I clicked unroot from the menu in motoroot and flashed the update zip from stock recovery. No other system mods.
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DroidJoe said:
Cool! Thats great news. Im going to do it and post results since i, and many otyhers are in the same boat. But, for us noobs out there, can you list the steps with a little more detail? Basically, start with pre-reqs, file download info, correct folder location, etc. I'll do it if you want?
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I'm impatient: here we go.....this is what I did, it worked for me. As always, I'm not responsible for bricked phones...yada, yada, yada, proceeded at your own risk.
Prereqs: Maxx with original 4.2.2, MotoRoot 1.1 by Jcase, entitlement hack optional for free hotspot, no mod recovery, safestrap or non-stock bootloader installed. (If you do, follow instructions posted by AndrewC 2 posts below. Cheers!)
1. Download update. ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2513563). Thanks Kickbut101.
2. Place file in correct location. (Copied from download file to sdcard file using esfile explorer while rooted)
3. Unroot using motoroot 1.1 (reboots phone, once powered up, you need to power down again).
4. Install update. (First, while holding *down* volume key, then press and hold power 5 seconds. Boots to recovery. Go down one to "recovery" and hit volume up to select. May be tricky. Find sdcard ota update file and hit power to select. Should install. Sit back and enjoy your fav beverage for about 2 or 3 minutes.
5. Enjoy Droid Maxx with tether and newest OTA Update.
I was told that I do not need to unroot if I am rooted via motoroot. Is that true?
If I do have to unroot before the ota, can I reroot afterwards using Motoroot?
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Piaband said:
I was told that I do not need to unroot if I am rooted via motoroot. Is that true?
If I do have to unroot before the ota, can I reroot afterwards using Motoroot?
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You have to unroot if you want your phone to not bootloop once you take the OTA. Afterwards you can use RockMyMoto to root again.
Unroot using House of Moto
Root after OTA update using RockMyMoto
Check here to download the OTA
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You have to unroot if you want your phone to not bootloop once you take the OTA. Afterwards you can use RockMyMoto to root again.
Unroot using House of Moto
Root after OTA update using RockMyMoto
Check here to download the OTA
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I'm sorry. I don't understand a few things.
Why cant I just unroot using the Motoroot app that I rooted with? Are you sure Motoroot'ed phones need to be unrooted. This was the early root provided by jCase, it doesnt have anything to do with safestrap, the bootloader, or the recovery.
I'm getting some conflicting info here and I don't want to cause myself any headaches when I accept the OTA. I really appreciate the help.
I really wish jCase or someone would go over all of the root methods and how to OTA update with each one. I just feel like there has been a lot of different root methods that have come out.
Piaband said:
I'm sorry. I don't understand a few things.
Why cant I just unroot using the Motoroot app that I rooted with? Are you sure Motoroot'ed phones need to be unrooted. This was the early root provided by jCase, it doesnt have anything to do with safestrap, the bootloader, or the recovery.
I'm getting some conflicting info here and I don't want to cause myself any headaches when I accept the OTA. I really appreciate the help.
I really wish jCase or someone would go over all of the root methods and how to OTA update with each one. I just feel like there has been a lot of different root methods that have come out.
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If you want to be able to update to the latest OTA then you will have to follow the steps provided in the links to get back to a stock system. There are no if, and, or buts about it. When you used the MotoRoot/PwnMyMoto exploit you wiped out your stock recovery. No recovery=bootloop. The only root methods available are PwnMyMoto and RockMyMoto (will work with new OTA) both by jcase.
Again, not responsible for a bricked phone, but all I had to do was use the motoroot app by Jcase to unroot after putting the ota file on my sdcard. The unroot option reboots to non-root. I powered down and booted into recovery and applied the ota zip file. That was it. No boot loops. I had no system or framework changes, and no moded recovery. Just the entitlement hack. Worked no problem. House of moto is a safe precautionary step to take but it was unnecessary in my case. YMMV.
For some reason I am unable to unroot. I have tried multiple times. I have launched the unroot option from motoroot and rebooted over and over again. I also downloaded pwnmymoto to try there but no luck.
Any one know another way to unroot? I just want to keep the entitlement hack if possible. Worst thing about all this is my phone downloaded the update so I keep getting a message to install it.
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Nathanjb7 said:
For some reason I am unable to unroot. I have tried multiple times. I have launched the unroot option from motoroot and rebooted over and over again. I also downloaded pwnmymoto to try there but no luck.
Any one know another way to unroot? I just want to keep the entitlement hack if possible. Worst thing about all this is my phone downloaded the update so I keep getting a message to install it.
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That's weird. It has worked for me multiple times.
I think you're best option is probably to fxz with saved data. That takes you back to stock. So I don't think it will keep the mobile hotspot.
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I just want to post for those of you that rooted via Motoroot v1.1. This was the original root solution provided by Jcase.
I have updated my Maxx without removing root and it worked just fine.
I was rooted via Motoroot v1.1, I have the mobile hotspot hack running, and some apps that use root. No other changes were made to my device.
The update installed perfectly, my device still has root access and the mobile hotspot hack intact.
***warning*** Motoroot is different than the root solutions jCase provided later on that changed the recovery/hboot partitions. If you don't know what you're doing, you might be better off to FXZ to unrooted device before installing the update.
Piaband said:
I just want to post for those of you that rooted via Motoroot v1.1. This was the original root solution provided by Jcase.
I have updated my Maxx without removing root and it worked just fine.
I was rooted via Motoroot v1.1, I have the mobile hotspot hack running, and some apps that use root. No other changes were made to my device.
The update installed perfectly, my device still has root access and the mobile hotspot hack intact.
***warning*** Motoroot is different than the root solutions jCase provided later on that changed the recovery/hboot partitions. If you don't know what you're doing, you might be better off to FXZ to unrooted device before installing the update.
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i am in the same situation, rooted with just motoroot and i can confirm that i just ran the ota and it went through with no issues and was able to retain root.
Andrew C said:
If you want to be able to update to the latest OTA then you will have to follow the steps provided in the links to get back to a stock system. There are no if, and, or buts about it. When you used the MotoRoot/PwnMyMoto exploit you wiped out your stock recovery. No recovery=bootloop. The only root methods available are PwnMyMoto and RockMyMoto (will work with new OTA) both by jcase.
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That's not correct: MotoRoot DOES NOT replace the stock recovery - PwmMyMoto DOES.
If you were rooted with MotoRoot - you dont need to do anything to take the update. You can take it even while rooted.
If you were rooted with PwnMyMoto - then yes, you need to unroot and flash the stock recovery.
Anyone have this working on Maxx with 4.4 update, I am unable to locate the entitlement check location.
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Anyone have this working on Maxx with 4.4 update, I am unable to locate the entitlement check location.
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Thank baby jesus and buy me a beer.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=48680232#post48680232
CrazyRussianXDA said:
That's not correct: MotoRoot DOES NOT replace the stock recovery - PwmMyMoto DOES.
If you were rooted with MotoRoot - you dont need to do anything to take the update. You can take it even while rooted.
If you were rooted with PwnMyMoto - then yes, you need to unroot and flash the stock recovery.
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Has anyone taken the 4.4 update with motoroot yet? results? I took the camera update with motoroot and still rooted. I like it cause my /system is still write protected and i can still 1 click unroot if need be.
Today I had to restart my phone because it dropped data connection, the moment I restarted it said my phone was being updated and I should wait, it wasted my time and it shoved 10o update down my throat.
If I had recovery installed, this could have been disastrous, no?
Not only for recovery related problems, but this may also prevent people from being able to install certain things, or even one day in the future with a different update just block root?
How do we uninstall then disable OTA updates on an unrooted phone? When I disabled and cancelled notifications for Software Update app, I thought it was fixed, but it probably made it worse, it just installed without any notification or prompt.
I was planning to root and install twrp this weekend, now with all the horror stories I've been reading, I don't want to do it. :crying:
How is AT&T even allowed to push it without explicit permit to install on device.
hydeah said:
Today I had to restart my phone because it dropped data connection, the moment I restarted it said my phone was being updated and I should wait, it wasted my time and it shoved 10o update down my throat.
If I had recovery installed, this could have been disastrous, no?
Not only for recovery related problems, but this may also prevent people from being able to install certain things, or even one day in the future with a different update just block root?
How do we uninstall then disable OTA updates on an unrooted phone? When I disabled and cancelled notifications for Software Update app, I thought it was fixed, but it probably made it worse, it just installed without any notification or prompt.
I was planning to root and install twrp this weekend, now with all the horror stories I've been reading, I don't want to do it. :crying:
How is AT&T even allowed to push it without explicit permit to install on device.
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Pull down the notification bar and tap and hold on the notification. App info will pop up and tap it and scroll all the way to the bottom and uncheck show notification.
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oldpreowner said:
Pull down the notification bar and tap and hold on the notification. App info will pop up and tap it and scroll all the way to the bottom and uncheck show notification.
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I did that when I first got the notification. Notification disappeared. 2 days later I restarted my phone for the first time in over a week, and bam, it installed without any notification at all. So disabling notification won't stop it from installing, it seems..
I know this doesn't directly help your situation since you're not rooted but this should help someone who is.
I had to freeze "Software Update 2.3.0.5" using titanium backup for it to stop. Not sure of a way to do it without root or without the pro version of titanium.
hydeah said:
I did that when I first got the notification. Notification disappeared. 2 days later I restarted my phone for the first time in over a week, and bam, it installed without any notification at all. So disabling notification won't stop it from installing, it seems..
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If you have the ota, you could use root explorer or browser to go into the Cache folder and delete it(ota) then try to install it will fail or do nothing then hit cancel
How can I downgrade?
I don't mind paying for titanium to freeze the app. This is nonsense, enjoyment just update by itself, lucky I didn't install recovery.
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nybmx said:
I know this doesn't directly help your situation since you're not rooted but this should help someone who is.
I had to freeze "Software Update 2.3.0.5" using titanium backup for it to stop. Not sure of a way to do it without root or without the pro version of titanium.
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What version of the G2 do you have? I'm on Sprint and I don't have "Software Update", I have "Update Device 4.5.1.10" which I just froze.
Does anyone know if I install the update can I still flash TWRP to my device? I'm not sure if I should install TWRP now and use the flashable ota zip or install it after I update it.
nybmx said:
I know this doesn't directly help your situation since you're not rooted but this should help someone who is.
I had to freeze "Software Update 2.3.0.5" using titanium backup for it to stop. Not sure of a way to do it without root or without the pro version of titanium.
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I don't have tibu pro.. I went in to system/app and deleted LGDMSClient.apk.
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I'm asking the same question OP is asking, is there a way to disable the update on non-rooted phones? And from experience with several other Android phones... I know it's pretty much impossible to downgrade unless you start flashing, but I'm gonna ask anyways. Is there a way to downgrade the upgrade that was forced down OP's throat and my own throat? For me it actually updated in my sleep, I woke up and it said my phone was updated. OP and I are on AT&T's D800 variant.
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I don't have tibu pro.. I went in to system/app and deleted LGDMSClient.apk.
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On Verizon it is called MobileUpdateClient.apk. I changed the file extension to .old and then moved it to a new folder called old so I would know what I had changed.
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On Verizon it is called MobileUpdateClient.apk. I changed the file extension to .old and then moved it to a new folder called old so I would know what I had changed.
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Does anyone know the name of the file for T-Mobile? I can't find any of the names listed in this thread.
Thanks
What do I disable on Sprint?
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On Verizon it is called MobileUpdateClient.apk. I changed the file extension to .old and then moved it to a new folder called old so I would know what I had changed.
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Looks like this worked for me also of my Verizon phone. It seems to have also remove the manual check option in the About phone section in settings.
nybmx said:
I know this doesn't directly help your situation since you're not rooted but this should help someone who is.
I had to freeze "Software Update 2.3.0.5" using titanium backup for it to stop. Not sure of a way to do it without root or without the pro version of titanium.
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Well, it would still help to avoid further OTA's from being applied if we are rooted and do not use custom rom, there is always a risk of getting OTA and messing everything up, therefore if freezing above app worked for you, it should be all we need. Is Software Update the actual app which checks for version and receives pushes from AT&T when a new OTA is available, or if there are other apps/modules that does this. The problem is, if it is incorporated into android system like some of the other stuff AT&T incorporated, it would be impossible to completely eliminate it without running a custom rom.
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If you have the ota, you could use root explorer or browser to go into the Cache folder and delete it(ota) then try to install it will fail or do nothing then hit cancel
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Awesome the above instructions worked great! Thank you very much brother
disable ota on at&t
Did you totally remove the apk, or rename it? Also, if removed, will it cause other problems?
I only ask cause i had a g2 that was pushed an ota and bricked my g2. Had to get a new one, now trying ti disable the ota's from doing that again..
Then when kitkat is released, am i not able to update it, then root again?
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I don't have tibu pro.. I went in to system/app and deleted LGDMSClient.apk.
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I have Lg G2 (Att) & hours b4 I have reflash'd back 2 stock and applied root about an hour later i got OTA so I click'd 2 recieve OTA it came back sayin Cant download OTA on rooted device if that helps and thatt was almost 24\hrs ago n still runnin smoothly but file was only like 16MB
So will a bigger OTA push current root'd stock rom out n brick my fone¿
this seems to work for G Flex users.. worth a shot on G2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50454408&postcount=3
hydeah said:
How can I downgrade?
I don't mind paying for titanium to freeze the app. This is nonsense, enjoyment just update by itself, lucky I didn't install recovery.
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you have to flash the old version by using LG Flash Tool, like I did.
So, I have a question for you guys. I got my phone yesterday and I'm on 10o. I installed the CWM recovery for 10o via Flashify, and now I'm concerned about OTAs - I disabled it via the Hidden Menu, but if there's an OTA to update the phone to 4.3 or 4.4, I'd like to receive it and not worry about bricking my phone.
I don't plan on doing a lot of custom ROM flashing, I really just wanted to root and install Xposed. Do I need to flash a stock ROM and go back to stock recovery, so I don't have to worry about OTAs? Or should I be good with CWM and the stock ROM that I rooted?
i have a sprint Samsung gs4 on mk2 that i have just rooted and the hotspot mod on. the update symbol is in the notification bar and says tap to install. my question is can i install it being rooted or what do i do ? sorry for the noob questions.
13jkilgo said:
i have a sprint Samsung gs4 on mk2 that i have just rooted and the hotspot mod on. the update symbol is in the notification bar and says tap to install. my question is can i install it being rooted or what do i do ? sorry for the noob questions.
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You have to unroot. Follow this guide to get the ball rolling: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509605
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i have a sprint Samsung gs4 on mk2 that i have just rooted and the hotspot mod on. the update symbol is in the notification bar and says tap to install. my question is can i install it being rooted or what do i do ? sorry for the noob questions.
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Or go download a NAE rom and install it, or there is a thread that people have posted their Nandroid backups of the full rom to keep your root.
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You have to unroot. Follow this guide to get the ball rolling: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509605
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Not quite true. You CAN install an OTA if you are rooted, though you WILL lose root and so have to re-root afterwards. Yes, the OTA MAY fail, that's true, but that's usually only the case if you're running an older version of SuperSU that had an issue that's since been fixed.
The trick that messes people up and will cause a failure (though almost definitely not a bricked phone) is you can't have actually made any changes to system files in any way. That obviously means you can't have edited any system files, used any tweaks or mods, etc. It ALSO means you can't have disabled apps using something like Titantium... if you can't disable an app via the standard system app manager but you do through Titantium then that will cause the OTA to fail.
I know this all because I've installed the last three OTAs with root with no issues, but I'm very careful about all of the above because I was burned a few times in the past until I learned
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Not quite true. You CAN install an OTA if you are rooted, though you WILL lose root and so have to re-root afterwards. Yes, the OTA MAY fail, that's true, but that's usually only the case if you're running an older version of SuperSU that had an issue that's since been fixed.
The trick that messes people up and will cause a failure (though almost definitely not a bricked phone) is you can't have actually made any changes to system files in any way. That obviously means you can't have edited any system files, used any tweaks or mods, etc. It ALSO means you can't have disabled apps using something like Titantium... if you can't disable an app via the standard system app manager but you do through Titantium then that will cause the OTA to fail.
I know this all because I've installed the last three OTAs with root with no issues, but I'm very careful about all of the above because I was burned a few times in the past until I learned
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so saying that i could update just by hitting install because i left the original files i the framework and just made them a bak file which i can go back and remove the mod files and delete the .bak and i should be able to hit install correct? and is there already root and hotspot mod avaliable for kitkat?
Well I unrooted through supersu n then updated n I put the nae hotspot mod into the framework n backed up the old file by .bak n restarted n the wifi nor the hotshot work ?? N I undid the mod n put the stock back n they still don't work so I unrooted again n they both still don't work
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Yes it is go to the development section and look.
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Basically now that Towelroot is out I am thinking it's time for me to OTA to the newest firmware. BUT currently I'm on 4.3 and I have "turned off" a few apps and even .baked a few. What needs to be done to ensure a successful OTA? Restore all original file extensions? Turn on all apps again? Anything at all or just go for it? Thanks.
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