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I'm not sure if it has something to do with SMOLED in general, or if it's particular to the Nexus S, but I'm noticing oddities with the screen. Can't be sure if it's software related, or if it's hardware related.
There are two things. One, it sometimes doesn't register presses, even when an icon is clearly pressed; the orange highlight that surrounds an icon is clearly seen but it doesn't launch the app. It requires a second touch. I'm guessing this is mostly software related, but either way, it's disappointing to see Android like this (or, if hardware related, sad to see SMOLED like this).
The 2nd thing is, the screen seems problematic for the complete opposite reason sometimes. Has anyone ever hovered their fingers over the screen without actually touching it? Sometimes it'll register presses this way. I'm guessing this is hardware related? Either way, I have no doubt this causes unintended screen presses, and might go a long way in explaining typos and frequent errors that occur when typing quickly where your fingers glaze over the screen (like I often see double letter hits, like tthis or thiss - very annoying).
Not sure what the deal is, whether it's software or hardware contributing to these two oddities/problems - or a combination of both. Either way, these two things can make the Google Android experience feel second rate.
Additionally, I think this goes a long way in explaining my frustrations with typing on Android. Missed space bar presses are particularly frequent, resulting in words likethis; while other times, double hits occur, per my example above (like tthis or thiss). Again, it detracts from the overall Android experience and can be frustrating when thumbing out long messages.
The first issue might be related to the Launcher you're using. Are you on stock launcher or did you install something else like ADW or Launcher Pro? If you're on a third party, try it back on stock, or dig into the settings for your 3rd party launcher and see if there are tweaks you can turn on/off that might impact it. I know ADW has a "keep in memory" toggle; stuff like that is what I'd play with.
The other problem is something I've seen several people mention in here. I'm not sure I notice it or not, BUT, I just read this interesting article yesterday, which suggests to me that the screen is ultra-sensitive to touch. The article authors are amazed that they can use the back of their fingernail, or even wear gloves and still register touch on the screen. Other phones aren't so sensitive.
It seems they did something to increase the capacitive touch sensitivity, and perhaps a bit too much. Hopefully it can be software fixed.
The NS is such a lovely device, but it's got it's fair share of quirks, both hardware and software that really mar the experience for many. I love the phone, but am still considering returning it when my 30 days is almost up.
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The NS is such a lovely device, but it's got it's fair share of quirks, both hardware and software that really mar the experience for many. I love the phone, but am still considering returning it when my 30 days is almost up.
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I agree.
As for the launcher, I am currently using ADW because there are a slew of glitches and issues with the stock launcher, including the unresponsive issue I wrote about in my OP. ADW Launcher is unquestionably more reliable, smoother, and stable.
It's unfortunate the experience with the Nexus S can be so polarizing: sometimes the screen is not responsive, and other times, too responsive.
And I have to reiterate, the experience typing on this phone (and on Android in general) remains a particular sore spot for me.
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I'm not sure I notice it or not, BUT, I just read this interesting article yesterday, which suggests to me that the screen is ultra-sensitive to touch. The article authors are amazed that they can use the back of their fingernail, or even wear gloves and still register touch on the screen.
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No kidding. I don't have to actually touch the screen at all. Just hovering the tip of the finger 0.5mm over the screen is enough. Which is not really a problem, because it's quite difficult to do that.
I have found the same issue with the screen, it is very sensitive to touch. As for the bad selection and typing errors, I think that is more more likely software related, try a different keyboard?
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Corvidd said:
I have found the same issue with the screen, it is very sensitive to touch. As for the bad selection and typing errors, I think that is more more likely software related, try a different keyboard?
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I'm currently trialing Swiftkey. It is impressive the few times it works to perfection, but this is usually a rare occurrence. More often than not, I'm still having to type out my words, however, perhaps it's still "learning" how I type. For now, I feel like the experience is actually slower than manually thumbing out messages because you're so busy concentrating on picking the correct predicted word. In some ways, it's counter intuitive to messaging quickly. I have until the end of the month before the trial expires, so we'll see if the experience is improved.
Prior to that, I was using either stock keyboard, or Smart Keyboard Pro. Both have their positive and negative issues, but those two offerings are as good as it can be on Android, it seems. Which is to say, it's disappointing. I have many typing woes. I have to say, the typing experience pales in comparison to typing on iPhone/iPod touch devices. I can type far more confidently and smoothly on an iPhone than I can with any Android device I've used so far. I'm hoping, one day, when Blindtype is implemented, this will change.
I didn't like swiftkey, and don't understand its popularity, having to check the scrolling bar for which word i wanted slowed me down. I agree that the typing accuracy on an iPhone is superior to android devices, there are many things I don't like about the iPhone keyboard but the accuracy is very good.
Have you tried Swype? I believe the beta is now open to all to try, google it, as its not in the market. Failing that, apps like Shapewriter (when it becomes available again) and SlideIT keyboard are other similar options. Or if you want to go all-out weird with text input, try 8pen.
i found the same bugs
and my guess it has to do with the Concave design, that throws off the screen calibration.
on the SGS, the touches are 110% accurate
you just hover your finger on top, and the work
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I didn't like swiftkey, and don't understand its popularity, having to check the scrolling bar for which word i wanted slowed me down. I agree that the typing accuracy on an iPhone is superior to android devices, there are many things I don't like about the iPhone keyboard but the accuracy is very good.
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Agreed. However, I'm trying my best to give Swiftkey ample opportunity to grow on me, and as I said, when it actually predicts your words accurately, it's quite intuitive, but this happens rarely. Most of the time it guesses incorrectly and you end up thumbing in almost all the letters to a word anyway. Swiftkey slows me down too and I, ironically, end up taking longer to type out messages. Like you, I'm too busy making sure it's predicting correctly the next words I want to say. In many ways, it's counter-intuitive.
And it's a shame Google didn't set itself apart from Apple's keyboard. They could/should have included custom auto-corrections, etc.
Have you tried Swype? I believe the beta is now open to all to try, google it, as its not in the market. Failing that, apps like Shapewriter (when it becomes available again) and SlideIT keyboard are other similar options. Or if you want to go all-out weird with text input, try 8pen
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Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I forgot to mention I have the Swype Beta. Swype is quite fun and often impressive, but like Swiftkey, I find it cumbersome when I'm trying to type 'personal' words like unique names of places, or uncommon lingo and words, etc. Plus, when you start getting into long words, Swype becomes difficult to track. Perhaps I just need more practice, but ultimately found it slower than thumbing it out. I have tried a few other options, like the one where the keys change sizes depending on predictions, and even 8pen (novel, but no thanks), but nothing seems capable of accurately mimicking the iPhone/iPod Touch typing experience. Anyone who has typed extensively on both platforms will know the difference.
I would just like to be able to thumb out messages minus the odd errors and mis-presses/unregistered presses, or the overly sensitive presses. Smart Keyboard Pro remains the best choice, in my opinion, but even that has hiccups and my aforementioned problems. It's probably a combination of software and hardware that is contributing to my typing woes.
Blindtype, please hurry.
I don't have problems with it not registering presses, but it certainly is sensitive. Depending on conditions, you can register a press by hovering your finger 1-2mm off the screen surface. This has rarely bothered me, but if you keep your fingers very close in while you're typing, yeah, I can see it being really problematic.
EDIT: Actually, Android Central posted a short article and video just this morning about how you can use your Nexus S with certain types of gloves on in the winter cold because of this.
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I don't have problems with it not registering presses, but it certainly is sensitive. Depending on conditions, you can register a press by hovering your finger 1-2mm off the screen surface. This has rarely bothered me, but if you keep your fingers very close in while you're typing, yeah, I can see it being really problematic.
EDIT: Actually, Android Central posted a short article and video just this morning about how you can use your Nexus S with certain types of gloves on in the winter cold because of this.
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Right, you are. I mention about the hovering finger thing in the OP.
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i found the same bugs
and my guess it has to do with the Concave design, that throws off the screen calibration.
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But my understanding is that the actual touch screen itself isn't curved...?
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But my understanding is that the actual touch screen itself isn't curved...?
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Yeah, but what that basically means is there's a different thickness of glass between the touchscreen and your finger at different points on the screen. I don't claim to know much about capacitative touch technology, but that seems likely to make for a much touchier sensitivity calibration than a traditional flat screen.
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Yeah, but what that basically means is there's a different thickness of glass between the touchscreen and your finger at different points on the screen. I don't claim to know much about capacitative touch technology, but that seems likely to make for a much touchier sensitivity calibration than a traditional flat screen.
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Yes, that makes sense.
Not sure if I'm liking what I'm hearing. If the screen is indeed too sensitive and is the cause of my typing woes, I don't suppose there's a way to dial it down via software, is there?
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If the screen is indeed too sensitive and is the cause of my typing woes, I don't suppose there's a way to dial it down via software, is there?
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I don't know enough about how the technology works to answer that authoritatively. I'm curious too, though.
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The 2nd thing is, the screen seems problematic for the complete opposite reason sometimes. Has anyone ever hovered their fingers over the screen without actually touching it? Sometimes it'll register presses this way. I'm guessing this is hardware related?
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I've had this happen to me a couple times. I could see how its annoying, but I'm coming from a nexus 1 where you could mash the screen at times and nothing would happen so its nice to have a sensitive screen.
I don't see that I've mentioned it in this particular thread, but I have in others, so forgive me for repeating myself, but for short messages I really find the best solution is to just use the voice input.
Not to dismiss the need for an accurate, fast, easy to use keyboard, but I think Voice Actions and Voice Input are one of the absolute best features of Android that don't get a lot of attention.
I won't say Voice Actions has changed my life, but it's definitely changed the way I do several things (like to-do lists), and how I interact with my phone.
edit: Another good keyboard is Better Keyboard, it lets you see where you hit the keys to help train yourself on it; not sure it's any more accurate than the others though.
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I don't see that I've mentioned it in this particular thread, but I have in others, so forgive me for repeating myself, but for short messages I really find the best solution is to just use the voice input.
Not to dismiss the need for an accurate, fast, easy to use keyboard, but I think Voice Actions and Voice Input are one of the absolute best features of Android that don't get a lot of attention.
I won't say Voice Actions has changed my life, but it's definitely changed the way I do several things (like to-do lists), and how I interact with my phone.
edit: Another good keyboard is Better Keyboard, it lets you see where you hit the keys to help train yourself on it; not sure it's any more accurate than the others though.
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I agree. Voice input is very good with the S, much better than it was with the N1.
Smart keyboard pro is also a good one.
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I don't see that I've mentioned it in this particular thread, but I have in others, so forgive me for repeating myself, but for short messages I really find the best solution is to just use the voice input.
Not to dismiss the need for an accurate, fast, easy to use keyboard, but I think Voice Actions and Voice Input are one of the absolute best features of Android that don't get a lot of attention.
I won't say Voice Actions has changed my life, but it's definitely changed the way I do several things (like to-do lists), and how I interact with my phone.
edit: Another good keyboard is Better Keyboard, it lets you see where you hit the keys to help train yourself on it; not sure it's any more accurate than the others though.
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Yes, I've attempted to use Voice Actions, especially while driving. Usually it gets what I want to say correct, but unfortunately, it doesn't always get the person I'm trying to send it to correct. In fact, it never does. Same is true for when I'm not driving. So I end up having to cancel the command and type it out anyway.
I bought Better Keyboard long ago. It was one of the first third party keyboards I tried. I found the experience atrocious (at the time, it lacked true multitouch. If you think stock keyboard missed letters... you should try BK!). My understanding is that multitouch is implemented now, so perhaps I'll give it another try.
Edit: Also, Smart Keyboard Pro offers touch points and calibration to help you see where you mistype and to calibrate it to your typing style. These features help, but there's no mistaking that the phone (softward or hardware?) often misfires or misses presses altogether. Problems that appear like tthis or thiss or whenever it misses a space bar press (despite the space bar clearly being highlighted on the keyboard) resulting in words likethis are far too frequent and have nothing to do with pressing accuracy.
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Yeah, but what that basically means is there's a different thickness of glass between the touchscreen and your finger at different points on the screen. I don't claim to know much about capacitative touch technology, but that seems likely to make for a much touchier sensitivity calibration than a traditional flat screen.
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exactly... too much empty space in between, that's why the areas around the edge at the bottom are harder to register
Keyboard feedback...
I noticed today that I was going a little crazy with my phone with the gingerbread keyboard and upbruptly the feedback sort of died. It was like that until I restarted the phone. I remember on my vibrant that you could adjust the vibration intensity and I would set it lower but haven't seen such a setting on this phone. Has anyone else experienced their feedback dying on them? I was actually scared that i might have broken it but it came back normal after restarting. A bug maybe?
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[Q] Keyboard Issues
Has anyone been noticing any issues with the keyboard on the Nexus S? At times I cannot type anything onto the screen or a the "Force Close" dialog box will appear.
Yeah.. I had this problem the other day. I posted a thread about it and didn't get any replies.. lol. It happened to me when I tried to use the voice action for the first time on the keyboard.
anyone else have keyboard issues
As im texting or typing into the keyboard on the net etc sometimes its just not responsive. Like some letters just wont click.
Im using stock 2.3.1.
Ditto. This is one of the most disappointing things. It's a shame Google's stock Android keyboard doesn't offer any deep features for custom text and custom auto texts like Smart Keyboard Pro does. They have an opportunity to really deviate and advance from the iPhone's keyboard, but Google seems content in just copying Apple in respect to the keyboard functions and lack thereof of more features, which I don't understand.
Unfortunately, even Smart Keyboard Pro has hiccups and miss-presses (especially with the space bar; you often get words likethis. Very frustrating).
Hopefully the keyboard will get better with future updates. Gingerbread, in general, is chalk full of hiccups. It is not lag free as most reviews claim.
I have the same issue. It doesn't happen all of the time but when it does it is annoying. It's weird because letters around the one I am trying to push work sometimes.
I just have to delete the letter before it and keep trying to enter it again
I didn't have any problems with the Gingerbread keyboard when I installed the APK on my Vibrant. Weird.
never had this problem.
Only problem I have with the Gingerbread keyboard is that I wish the space bar were just a bit longer and taller because I often hit the "B" key rather than space.
But no, none of the issues you've reported on CM7 Alpha2
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Only problem I have with the Gingerbread keyboard is that I wish the space bar were just a bit longer and taller because I often hit the "B" key rather than space.
But no, none of the issues you've reported on CM7 Alpha2
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I was just thinking that. The length doesn't bother me so much, but I feel like I have to shove my finger into the very bottom of the screen to hit space. I've taken to just using the word suggestion bar to auto-space instead.
But to address the OP, no, haven't noticed any issues with responsiveness yet.
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Only problem I have with the Gingerbread keyboard is that I wish the space bar were just a bit longer and taller because I often hit the "B" key rather than space.
But no, none of the issues you've reported on CM7 Alpha2
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This is why I don't really like most android keyboards, the space bar is wayy too small. I've been alternative between the "iPhone Keyboard Emulator" and Swype.
I can type on an iphone (or even an ipod) more confidently than I can on any Android device. The Android keyboard on Gingerbread is without question improved over previous iterations, but still a far cry from the accuracy and responsiveness of iphones/ipods. It's also unfortunate Google doesn't take their keyboard past Apple's in terms of customization and ability to add auto correct and other features. For example, I don't understand why we still can't long press to get every alternative symbol.
I like the Gingerbread keyboard fine, space bar aside. I liked Swype better, but unless I'm mistaken, that can't be downloaded from the Market. Not willing to pay to try SlideIT, now that we're down to fifteen-minute trials.
I have been nothing but in love with the stock keyboard
I use Smart Keyboard Pro, best keyboard imo and I've tried them all.
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I use Smart Keyboard Pro, best keyboard imo and I've tried them all.
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SKP is amazing. The customization and features are robust and fantastic. However, don't you find it often misses space bar presses on the NS? Very often you'll get words likethis. It's so bad I reverted back to using stock Android keyboard.
When is Google going to implement Blindtype, which they recently bought back in October? I'm excited for the potential of this, because as is, the Android keyboard is poor when typing fast - it's error prone, it misses keys (particularly the space bar), the auto-correct is not as smart as it claims it is, there's virtually no customization (a cue unwisely taken from Apple), it sometimes doubles up on letters like sso, and etc.
I'm not attempting to start any immature wars, as I know this can happen anytime someone mentions the iPhone, but has anyone here actually typed on an iPhone, or even an iPod? If there's one thing that the iPhone commands respect in, its the keyboard. If you get a chance, try it sometime. The responsiveness is perfect. I truly wish I can say the same about Android's keyboard. Those who have tried both will understand the difference.
Has anyone heard any news regarding implementing Blindtype? Improvements are sorely needed. For those who need a refresh of what Blindtype is, check out the video demo: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/10/google-acquires-blindtype-to-improve.html
Maybe it's because of how I type, but I don't think my old iPod had much on my new Nexus S in terms of its keyboard. It could just be because Android has had the benefit of a year of improvements since my iPod was functional, though.
Bump.
Anyone notice when trying to type "I'm" (letter i then m) really fast, it often spells out "km" instead? And even when you clearly hit the letter i, as you're moving toward the letter m, it hits the k inadvertently, and results in "km"? Anyone else? It's quite frustrating.
Not sure if this has been mentioned (I didn't read through every response), but the first NS I got seemed to have a grounding issue with its screen, making a portion of the keyboard unusable at times. Holding it differently or using my other hand to press the keys would work.
I was able to confirm that it was an issue with the screen rather than the keyboard by using one of the Multitouch test apps and setting the new Nexus Live Wallpaper as my background to test those portions of the screen when it was acting up.
Best Buy gave me no trouble exchanging it (just a long line).
On my second Nexus S I have noticed what seems to be a similar issue. My troubled area seems to be the L M key region. Ill give it a few more days to make sure it's not just me and if need be I'll exchange it.
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I had update EeePad to Honeycomb 3.2,
and test some issues in 3.1.
Every thing is so fast now.
I can sure some bugs had been fixed :
1. 90 and 180 degree in home screen is such smooth now
2. Music beta idle when screen off does not appear
3. Stock browser does not show white block when scrolling
4. Youtube plugin works well in stock browser (just testing 720P ...)
5. WEBSTORAGE UI update
6. Some apps are out of screen when scaling up
7. Stock weather widget shows the last update time (but it is real ugly ...)
8. Browser input lag is STILL there ~
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After charging the battery to FULL in office, I went home.
Until now, my EeePad walked through two states :
1. Suspend mode -> 2 hrs 30min (just screen off)
battery : 100% -> 100%
2. Crazy running -> 2 hrs 20min (web, youtube, music, MV, drama, RSS, FB, ...)
battery : 100% -> 83%
Both these two states are with wifi on.
Seems that 8 hrs continue working is possible for 3.2.
VaderChen said:
I had update EeePad to Honeycomb 3.2,
and test some issues in 3.1.
Every thing is so fast now.
I can sure some bugs had been fixed :
1. 90 and 180 degree in home screen is such smooth now
2. Music beta idle when screen off does not appear
3. Stock browser does not show white block when scrolling
4. Youtube plugin is work well in stock browser (just testing 720P ...)
5. WEBSTORAGE UI update
6. Some apps are out of screen when scaling up
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You got the OTA update tonight? Is that what I am reading? What is your location? Thanks!
VaderChen said:
I had update EeePad to Honeycomb 3.2,
and test some issues in 3.1.
Every thing is so fast now.
I can sure some bugs had been fixed :
1. 90 and 180 degree in home screen is such smooth now
2. Music beta idle when screen off does not appear
3. Stock browser does not show white block when scrolling
4. Youtube plugin is work well in stock browser (just testing 720P ...)
5. WEBSTORAGE UI update
6. Some apps are out of screen when scaling up
7. Stock weather widget shows the last update time (but it is real ugly ...)
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Could you test the browser speed vs opera moblie ( load time, scrolling and typing lag)? Also did the update splash top to the HD verison? Thanks
I am in Taiwan. And now is a SUNNY day here ...
I can not test some thing yet, cause I am working in my office ...
Taiwan
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edit: He beat me to it, lol.
I'd love to know the Splashtop (MyCloud) and PressReader versions. Also is the text selection bug in the stock browser resolved? And are the physical SD and MicroSD cards still writeable?
the splashtop is running the same old version unfortunatey, 1.00.something
one more different thing is the mouse cursor is now a circe instead of the pointer,
and you can do scroll and pinch to zoom using the trackpad now,
its not quite smooth as i like it to be tho
sometimes the machine confuses the two action so becomes a big more laggy
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the splashtop is running the same old version unfortunatey, 1.00.something
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The exact version number is quite important. Asus' Splashtop builds don't match the version numbering of the retail builds. They've made significant changes in past Asus releases with very modest version number changes.
Can you please confirm is the version number still v1.0.0.10-4 r8520? That's the build supplied with the latest OTA patch two weeks ago.
just updated to TW 3.2 and wanted to share for all dock owners
Theres a new "pointer" feature when using the trackpad; basically a circle pointer is on the screen instead of the arrow cursor
Basically it functions the same but gives more area to click?
Also when scrolling webpages with the trackpad, they inverted the direction so moving 2 fingers down now scrolls up and 2 fingers up scrolls down; which ANNOYS me so much, hope they revert it back.
EDIT: PINCH TO ZOOM added on trackpad
However its hard to scroll the pad when the trackpad keeps thinking you want to pinch to zoom
EDIT 2: Scrolling on trackpad better if you use two fingers as close to each other, further apart would make the trackpad recognize as pinch to zoom
that sucks
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Also when scrolling webpages with the trackpad, they inverted the direction so moving 2 fingers down now scrolls up and 2 fingers up scrolls down; which ANNOYS me so much, hope they revert it back.
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Gah why can't they just make these things user-configurable? I can 100% guarantee I will not be able to get my head around that, because it is the exact opposite of my laptop touchpad.
youtube app search box bug while playing video still exists, i.e pressing space while in search box while in video playing menu highlights the the other featured videos instead
Hey there,
what about "Battery usage data" in "about tablet"? Is it still not available?
Thanks for info about OTA, will be waiting patiently
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Gah why can't they just make these things user-configurable? I can 100% guarantee I will not be able to get my head around that, because it is the exact opposite of my laptop touchpad.
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To be honest, i think it is more intuitive now because now it scrolls in the same way you would scroll on the tablet screen. But then, i didn't own a laptop to confuse me Just wanted to say i can see why they did revert it.
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Hey there,
what about "Battery usage data" in "about tablet"? Is it still not available?
Thanks for info about OTA, will be waiting patiently
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Is available for me, on 3.1. Guess the "mystery update" caused so.
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To be honest, i think it is more intuitive now because now it scrolls in the same way you would scroll on the tablet screen. But then, i didn't own a laptop to confuse me Just wanted to say i can see why they did revert it.
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Yeah, I can certainly understand that some folks prefer it that way. As I said a couple of months back, it's a bit like mouse look in gaming, though. It's something you can't relearn. I started off in gaming with flight simulation, and I learned that forward on the yoke means descend, backwards means climb. I've tried over and over for years to play first person shooters with the opposite directions, but I just can't do it -- the flight sims built something in my brain that expects inverted look.
And that is why Asus shouldn't be forcing a decision like this on us. Some folks will want the scrolling one way, some the other, and for most, they'll never be able to learn to change. Asus needs to make this a user option, and let the user decide what works, because otherwise they're going to have a significant proportion of their users unable to scroll with the touchpad, and feeling like they've been let down.
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Is available for me, on 3.1. Guess the "mystery update" caused so.
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It's not available for anybody else, so I don't think it's available for you either. My guess is you're not aware what folks are talking about.
We're not talking about the screen where you get an indication of battery consumption alongside hardware status (battery charging, gps use, wifi use, etc.)
On the screen *before* that one, you should get an indication of battery life alongside which individual apps were running, so you can see which apps are using the battery life up.
That works on other tablets. It doesn't (and never has) on the Transformer.
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Yeah, I can certainly understand that some folks prefer it that way. As I said a couple of months back, it's a bit like mouse look in gaming, though. It's something you can't relearn. I started off in gaming with flight simulation, and I learned that forward on the yoke means descend, backwards means climb. I've tried over and over for years to play first person shooters with the opposite directions, but I just can't do it -- the flight sims built something in my brain that expects inverted look.
And that is why Asus shouldn't be forcing a decision like this on us. Some folks will want the scrolling one way, some the other, and for most, they'll never be able to learn to change. Asus needs to make this a user option, and let the user decide what works, because otherwise they're going to have a significant proportion of their users unable to scroll with the touchpad, and feeling like they've been let down.
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Exactly. Even iCompany gave an option to revert trackpad behavior to "less natural"...
Can anyone else confirm that Battery usage statistics are working? Because on my stock EU TF101 they're broken since first 3.1 OTA. :/ TIA!
Hong Kong already got the updated Android 3.2 with full screen and smooth HD video.
VaderChen said:
I had update EeePad to Honeycomb 3.2,
and test some issues in 3.1.
Every thing is so fast now.
I can sure some bugs had been fixed :
1. 90 and 180 degree in home screen is such smooth now
2. Music beta idle when screen off does not appear
3. Stock browser does not show white block when scrolling
4. Youtube plugin works well in stock browser (just testing 720P ...)
5. WEBSTORAGE UI update
6. Some apps are out of screen when scaling up
7. Stock weather widget shows the last update time (but it is real ugly ...)
8. Browser input lag is STILL there ~
so on...
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Fantastic. Thanks for that.
Has anyone found out whether it's fixed the the problem with apostrophes showing as HTML entities in the email client?
When I got my transformer I immediately felt that browsing on it was a little uncomfortable when compared to the control I have on a desktop computer. I've noticed one poorly executed function was the PC equivalent of a "mouseover" or "hover" function. It made opening hover menus in a browser or controlling a flash video player a bit awkward, although still functional.
I've recently stumbled upon on 2010 article on why a Flash developer believes that flash would not work on the iPad, but many of the points that he makes are very valid given the implementation of flash that we have on our transformers.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/02/20/an-adobe-flash-developer-on-why-the-ipad-cant-use-flash/
I was just wondering if this was something you've all noticed and perhaps if you have your own ideas as to how a mouseover functionality could have been better implemented in android.
Also, I've once tried to bring this up in another topic which ended up getting closed, so let's try to keep that from happening.
Thoughts?
Multitouch. Tap with 2 fingers to "hover".
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I think that a double tap would be a good solution for something like bringing up flash player controls without pausing the video.
What about scrubbing the video? For instance, with youtube you can use your mouse and move it (without clicking) along the progress bar while being shown the exact time in the video that you are currently pointing at. This obviously makes rewinding and fast forwarding much easier on a computer. I suppose on a tablet you would double tap and then drag your finger, as per this implementation?
EDIT: Wow, I'm sorry I totally misunderstood. You actually mean't using two fingers as opposed to double tapping with one.
LeoBloom. said:
When I got my transformer I immediately felt that browsing on it was a little uncomfortable when compared to the control I have on a desktop computer.
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I'll be brutally honest. You've got what I like to call not-used-to-something-that-is-new syndrome.
I'm sure when the personal computer first came out, people were crying left and right that typing on the computer was uncomfortable compared to the typewriter. In fact, if you go back long enough, I'm sure people were whining left and right that the page turning book format was uncomfortable to read compared to the scrolls. Heck, why stop there? I'm sure writing with ink was really awkward and uncomfortable to those who were used to the chisel and hammer.
The fact of the matter is every time a new technology came up, there would undoubtedly be resistance to the change. I have no doubt that there were arguments against Gutenberg's invention (the printing press).
I say the advantages of the tablet far outweighs the disadvantages. And please don't start arguing that the tablet could never replace your pc. No one is making such claim.
That was unnecessary.
The question here is how to make the "hover" functionality more intuitive.
i think a multitouch or swipe gesture would be the best option.
for example with the mousover menus, if u could quickly swipe across said menu to have it show the options.
not sure if its viable but who knows
or even a double tap. tap once to open the menu, tap again to select an entry or go to the main link
The problem is that a multitouch would register as a zoom function, not a hover function.. Computer analyses aren't good enough to tell the difference between two points of contact with relatively stable distance between them vs two points of contact moving away (because it's sensitive right now..?).
im using an external mouse really like it looking forward to ics for no more keyboard lag
i hope at least
also i would like a scrolling in facebook chat and pictures so you can see comments
p.s typing from it right now
I am using Logitech bluetooth keyboard with touchpad [designed for PS3]. For now it's the best solution for me.
o1d8oy said:
I am using Logitech bluetooth keyboard with touchpad [designed for PS3]. For now it's the best solution for me.
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are you havin keyboard lag?
i mean if like on facebook it doesnt respon as fast a computer
just checkin if the keyboard is problem or honeycomb
All I have to complain about is XKCD in Google Reader (app), and there's probably an app or greasemonkey script for this already.
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Flash the KRAKD Rom no more keyboard lag
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You will find that as more web developers and designers switch to HTML5 and CSS3 (which the stock android browser already supports btw) it will be much more of an experience like a desktop computer. In fact, hover effects implementing CSS3 currently support mouseovers on our transformer. the hover transitions work pretty dang well actually
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All I have to complain about is XKCD in Google Reader (app), and there's probably an app or greasemonkey script for this already.
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Yep: https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwxLDEsIm5ldC5ieXR0ZW4ueGtjZHZpZXdlciJd
Click the title of the item in google reader and it opens in xkcd viewer, and there you can click on the cartoon to get the hover-over.
Yeah its clearly not good, I also frequently miss a keyboard with cursor keys to move around in an input field.
daners85glacier said:
You will find that as more web developers and designers switch to HTML5 and CSS3 (which the stock android browser already supports btw) it will be much more of an experience like a desktop computer. In fact, hover effects implementing CSS3 currently support mouseovers on our transformer. the hover transitions work pretty dang well actually
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How exactly is the "hover" functionality implemented on the transformer with HTML5 and CSS3, in terms of how the user is able to call on the function?
Yeah, I'm trying to encourage someone who's a developer on a web software I use quite often to add the clickhover property to the default theme instead of pure hover. Not only does that enhance browsing on tablets, but it also supports a11y.
yes, mouse-over or the lack of it is a real pain in the ***. I use Opera Mobile and browsing websites that use mouse-over navigation without the dock is really annoying.
is there a fix/workaround/touch-combination to get the mouse-over effect working?
The problem is that a multitouch would register as a zoom function, not a hover function.. Computer analyses aren't good enough to tell the difference between two points of contact with relatively stable distance between them vs two points of contact moving away (because it's sensitive right now..?).
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This is false. There's nothing magical going on here, a touch UI is only as good as how it's programmed.
Two points of contact with stable distance CAN be discerned from two points moving away. For example a naive method to do this would be to store the last N number of touched coordinates per some time slice in the form of a recency list and then perform some minor arithmetic operations on them to determine the delta and make a reasonable assumption as to whether movement is occurring. It might be harder to discern movements where the quantity is similar to each other but where one quantity is essentially zero movement and the other is any movement, this is not so difficult to do.
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yes, mouse-over or the lack of it is a real pain in the ***. I use Opera Mobile and browsing websites that use mouse-over navigation without the dock is really annoying.
is there a fix/workaround/touch-combination to get the mouse-over effect working?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21270831&postcount=30
refer to point number 3
I just got a Nexus 10 and I'm considering returning it because of all the crashes. (At least twice a day since I got it.) But I'm even having trouble finding a good browser. Does anyone else find they have these problems, or is it just me? Opera was my favorite browser on A100, but its unusable now.
In chrome mobile if you click anywhere near the X button (on a tab), the page will close. Chrome also causes tablet crashes. (Chrome is the stock browser on my tab.)
Boat takes up high battery
Dolphin - clicking on a tab closes the tab
Opera buttons/menus are so tiny it can't be used.
Firefox (regular And beta) - parts of or the whole screen goes black sometimes. (Resizing the page fixes it.) Requires effort to scroll fast. Some images don't ever load, like on Google images (middle of page). No speed dial or even a way to organize bookmarks. Previous session tabs don't reload automatically.
Maxthon - maxthon tablet - sometimes no links work, tab fonts too large
I'm using Firefox mostly, but don't like it for above reasons.
Not a browser but, my favorite keyboard on my a100, Thumb keyboard - if i click near the top edge of the comma key, I get an apostrophe. (Rt. Side) also, it becomes erratic sometimes, like cursor jumping to the wrong places.
Do you have these issues, or did I get a bad Nexus? Thanks.
I still would like to hear if anyone is having these troubles on the Nexus 10, but I think I found happiness with Ocean Browser. I'm already familiar with it because it came pre-installed on my Acer A100, but I don't think they ever gave the name. It was re-branded or something. Glad I found it again. About the only thing it's lacking is the ability to rearrange bookmarks on the screen. But you can use folders. I think I found the winner.
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