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what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
ingalaxy said:
what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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$120-149 for the one on pre order DNA will porn be free or 49
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ingalaxy said:
what would be the price trend for HTC One in US?
giving that DNA price dropping like a stone after it released last year.
i played with it in ATT store and i liked it, just not sure if i should wait a little bit
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It depends on how well both the One and SGS4 sell for AT&T. If the One holds its own AT&T will keep it at $199 for as long as they can. LG's having a launch event for the OG Pro on May 1 and AT&T usually carries their high-end devices. An iP5 is supposed to be available in June. There's going to be a lot on the shelves at AT&T this summer. Based on One inventory they've stocked or commited to if it's not making its numbers expect some discounting after 30-60 days. And usually the discounting starts with the VARS; at least that's what happened with the DNA. If you find a cheaper price at a (reputable) VAR AT&T will match it over the phone.
Paleryder said:
$120-149 for the one on pre order DNA will porn be free or 49
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Sigh at least say AFTER 2 year contract. I know on t-mobile the The One is $579 outright. $99 upfront +$20 a month if you choose to pay it off over 24 months.
Looks to me the DNA just had a bad release time... it was in between the other major phones
Element515 said:
Looks to me the DNA just had a bad release time... it was in between the other major phones
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And what do you consider a release at the same time as the S4? Good time?
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And what do you consider a release at the same time as the S4? Good time?
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Along with articles releasing about Samsung having to pay kids to bash HTC? I'd say it's pretty good timing.
Releasing with the S4 isn't awful. That's the competition and people will pick what they want. Both were announced early enough ahead of time we all have discussed and watched every youtube video on them. The DNA if I am right came out in november/december time frame... it's nice, but the One is clearly better... and just 4-5months later? I'd be pissed.. and there, you are screwing your own costomers.
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Along with articles releasing about Samsung having to pay kids to bash HTC? I'd say it's pretty good timing."
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And I'm sure all the claims being made are totally without bias and Samsung will be treated fairly. And the supposed event occurred last year with the SGS3's launch and the "kids" weren't hired by Samsung they were working for a third party marketing company.
"HTC’s operations have weakened, impacting Taiwan’s export figures, resulting in 5 successive months of negative growth and seriously affecting Taiwan’s economic growth. In order to stop the decline, Minister of Economic Affairs Shih Yen-shiang today (the 10th) called for his fellow countrymen to “Affirm and support HTC, starting with loving and using their mobile phones”. This statement prompted backlash on the internet,*PTT*saw countless posts slammed, criticizing HTC for considering themselves to be a mainland Chinese brand and belittling Taiwan, [with netizens] unable to agree with Shih Yen-shiang’s point of view.Shih Yen-shiang revealed that he and the Vice-Economic Minister both use HTC phones, that the government has a close relationship with HTC, provides assistance, and hopes that everyone will unite in supporting domestic companies. Netizens didn’t show any appreciation, wit some people with angrily digging out HTC chairman Cher Wang’s past statements, pointing to her having said “HTC is an indigenous Chinese brand”, so Taiwanese officials now calling for the masses to support a ‘non-Taiwanese brand’ is truly unpersuasive."
http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/stor...ent-calls-on-citizens-to-buy-support-htc.html
Due to relatively high inflation rate I think the trend will no more be so good.
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less than 150. a good price
Edit: Has anyone ordered through AT&T Premier Account?
I found this thread of people having issues from the iPhone 5 launch.
http:// http://forums.att.com/t5/Apple-Community-Discussion/AT-amp-T-Premier-royally-messed-up-iphone-5-order/td-p/3307493
Im hoping my situation turns out better then these people. Im just looking to see if anyone else's order is in my shoes. When I go search for the order using the Order ID its not found,
Has anyone received an email stating that the S4 for AT&T is on back order. I ordered late tuesdsy night (pacific time). I'm on family talk and my cousin sent me an email that he supposedly got stating the S4 was on back order. He is a talented artist with the ability to photoshop something to troll me, (hes an iPhone fanboy go figure)... Any info would be awesome...
From:*[email protected]
Date:*April 18, 2013, 8:32:51 AM MST
To:*#######@gmail.com
Subject:*AT&T Premier Items on Back-order*
Dear ####### #####,
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Thank you for your recent purchase on the AT&T Premier Online Store. We are pleased that you chose AT&T as your wireless service provider.*Unfortunately, items in your order are out of stock and are backordered. We will ship them as soon as they are available, and notify you of the shipment by email. We will ship multiple backordered items when all items are in stock.If your order remains out of stock or backordered for 30 days, your order will be automatically canceled.*You can view the*status of your order*on AT&T Premier Online Store at any time.
Reference Web Order Number: ##################
*Thank you,
The AT&T Premier Team
Note:*This email message was sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mails. Do not reply to this message.©*2013 AT&T Intellectual Property. All rights reserved. AT&T and AT&T logo are trademarks of AT&T Intellectual Property.
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Has anyone received an email stating that the S4 for AT&T is on back order. I ordered late tuesdsy night (pacific time). I'm on family talk and my cousin sent me an email that he supposedly got stating the S4 was on back order. He is a talented artist with the ability to photoshop something to troll me, (hes an iPhone fanboy go figure)... Any info would be awesome...
From:*[email protected]
Date:*April 18, 2013, 8:32:51 AM MST
To:*#######@gmail.com
Subject:*AT&T Premier Items on Back-order*
Dear ####### #####,
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Thank you for your recent purchase on the AT&T Premier Online Store. We are pleased that you chose AT&T as your wireless service provider.*Unfortunately, items in your order are out of stock and are backordered. We will ship them as soon as they are available, and notify you of the shipment by email. We will ship multiple backordered items when all items are in stock.If your order remains out of stock or backordered for 30 days, your order will be automatically canceled.*You can view the*status of your order*on AT&T Premier Online Store at any time.
Reference Web Order Number: ##################
*Thank you,
The AT&T Premier Team
Note:*This email message was sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mails. Do not reply to this message.©*2013 AT&T Intellectual Property. All rights reserved. AT&T and AT&T logo are trademarks of AT&T Intellectual Property.
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I wouldn't put stock in that - There may be some local shortages, but Samsung is highly unlikely to pull an HTC and not be able to supply phones on time when promised. They're too big a company and too competitive to make that kind of mistake on a large scale!
EDIT: Here's more proof it will be available - http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s4_expected_to_ship_10_million_units_in_first_month-news-5886.php
WA_Bob said:
I wouldn't put stock in that - There may be some local shortages, but Samsung is highly unlikely to pull an HTC and not be able to supply phones on time when promised. They're too big a company and too competitive to make that kind of mistake on a large scale!
EDIT: Here's more proof it will be available - http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_s4_expected_to_ship_10_million_units_in_first_month-news-5886.php
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That's not exactly proof it will be available...first they say its EXPECTED - plus when you think about it...10 million really isn't that much when California's population alone is 38 million (313 million people in tthe US total). Now add the rest of the countries...not that much...
10 million units is only enough to supply to about 3% of the US population...and your telling us that 10 million devices expected to ship first month is proof there isn't a backorder? Now I know not everyone uses smartphones and not everyone that uses smartphones will get the sgs 4...but I'm sure way over 10 million people want to get it when its released - and there is no saying if the 10 million units will all available at the beginning of the month or will be shipped out periodically to avoid over stalking low purchase areas...
But I do hope there isn't...they did say first com first serve....so hopefully I got my preorder in time for me to actually get the April 30th ship date
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That's not exactly proof it will be available...first they say its EXPECTED - plus when you think about it...10 million really isn't that much when California's population alone is 38 million (313 million people in tthe US total). Now add the rest of the countries...not that much...
10 million units is only enough to supply to about 3% of the US population...and your telling us that 10 million devices expected to ship first month is proof there isn't a backorder? Now I know not everyone uses smartphones and not everyone that uses smartphones will get the sgs 4...but I'm sure way over 10 million people want to get it when its released - and there is no saying if the 10 million units will all available at the beginning of the month or will be shipped out periodically to avoid over stalking low purchase areas...
But I do hope there isn't...they did say first com first serve....so hopefully I got my preorder in time for me to actually get the April 30th ship date
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I think you are understating the significance of 10 million devices sold with ONE month. That is an extreme amount of devices and if Samsung believes it will sell that, then they will produce 10 million x 1.xx for that period.
This isn't HTC and the design they are working with doesn't require "200 minutes of CNC'ing" per device. Don't worry. This is going to go smoothly.
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I think you are understating the significance of 10 million devices sold with ONE month. That is an extreme amount of devices and if Samsung believes it will sell that, then they will produce 10 million x 1.xx for that period.
This isn't HTC and the design they are working with doesn't require "200 minutes of CNC'ing" per device. Don't worry. This is going to go smoothly.
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I'm not saying that 10 million isn't a lot...but that still doesn't mean no chance of back orders...plus as I stated we don't know how they are deploying the devices...if they deploy all 10 million or 10 million through out the first month like maybe supplying 2 million or so a week...plus this is spread out through many countries...so really probably only a few million are going to the US...and this isn't just the att variant if understand, it includes all variants...so att maybe getting a million devices (if that...its probably closer to a few hundred thousand devices for att)- which is still alot - but it still leaves room for back order
-all Im trying to say is that its very possible for a backorder to occur...not saying its going to happen or that its highly likely to happen...just saying that its highly possible
Plus on atts website they did say they are selling them on a first come first serve basis...and that it is possible for delays in shipment based on that - which suggests they also believe in the possibility of a back order
Again I'm not saying 10 mil isn't a lot...but that its possible, especially when you look at the amount of countries/carriers that are going to be selling those 10 mil devices
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Apologies in advance for this shameless bump. I edited my original post and added new information about ATT Premier Accounts. I know its just a phone and I should obsess over it this much, however ive been stuck using an iPhone 4 for like 2 months. I need android back asap.
I ordered mine on the 16th from AT&T Premier over the phone. Its showing processing, not back ordered.
Check my topic in General for more information on this
After reading all the bad news yesterday about HTC (people leaving the company, articles about a "future without HTC", etc): I opened my dutch news app this morning when drinking my coffee and saw this:
http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/3481460/htc-one-vijf-miljoen-keer-verkocht.html
I expected to see an article about the Galaxy S4 being sold 10m times in the first month, but this nice dutch website preffered to focus on what HTC has done. Apparently, HTC has sold 5 million One's in "one month". So it has done 50% of what Samsung has done in the last month. And I guess that doesn't include what HTC has sold in March/April.
The weird thing is, I always read my twitter feed first. I have not seen a single report about this anywhere on Twitter. On the other side, NU.nl is a big and serious website here in the Netherlands.
What do you guys think? I am very happy to see this and it's far above my expectations. If this is true, HTC is not dying anytime soon!
Doesn't seem likely, as they had major production issues until late April.
I'm happy for them and hope they'll get through the rough time they are atm so they can continue making amazing phones!
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Doesn't seem likely, as they had major production issues until late April.
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its reported by the wall street journal quoting an official HTC exec (wsj needs subscription)
the news was just posted by Android Authority
so i would believe it
demanding outstripping supply, why is this so hard to believe?
you missed the fact which stated that it's most likely orders done by the shops and carriers, not to customers themselves. meaning they aren´t real sales yet
However, I do hope they all sell in the end anyway though. HTC deserves this, and beyond this as well. at the end of this month, which means soon enough, their capacity to create Ones will double from the amount right now. (if not already)
hamdir said:
its reported by the wall street journal quoting an official HTC exec (wsj needs subscription)
the news was just posted by Android Authority
so i would believe it
demanding outstripping supply, why is this so hard to believe?
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High demand with nothing to sell is still not a sale though, unless they are also including unfulfilled orders by their carrier partners and local stores~~ The phone has been launched in my country a whole month ago, and not a single store has more than 1 unit for sale at a time, with some stores getting 5 units per 3 days (that's on the high end) >.>
Making my 1-to-1 change for a faulty NFC chip all the more painful, as I'll have to wait 1-2 weeks for HTC to bring in stock ):
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you missed the fact which stated that it's most likely orders done by the shops and carriers, not to customers themselves. meaning they aren´t real sales yet
However, I do hope they all sell in the end anyway though. HTC deserves this, and beyond this as well. at the end of this month, which means soon enough, their capacity to create Ones will double from the amount right now. (if not already)
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I didn't miss it, though I forgot to mention it in the first post. I'm not sure about the 10m from Samsung either, are those sold or orders done by shops/carriers?
Either way, I was expecting this exact message but with a 1 instead of the 5 million. Even if it's just orders done by carriers/shops, it's far above my expectations!
And it's good HTC are doubling their production, it's indeed awfull they often have 1-2 units per store also in the Netherlands.
I think samsung is aiming the same, 10 million orders but not all of them sold; they're still in storage of retailers / carriers.
Also when i went for accessory shopping, I was told everytime that they didn't have any since they got such few phones (1 - 5 maybe a day). saying it was not worth it yet buying accessories for such a scarce phone. it affects a whole deal.
5 million since launch, not just the last month:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/23/4358378/htc-one-5-million-smartphone-sales
Very respectable number to be honest, sure Samsung has double that in less time but people wanted another S3 and well, thats basically what they got.
Learned people got the One and now word of how good it is, is spreading.
But HTC, why did you release the HTC First? /sigh
5 million Seems like a stretch actually... Supply is still a serious issue..... The unlocked versions in US have been in backorder status for the entire month.... HTC ONE launch has been delayed by over 1 month in most Asia countries....
If they are counting confirmed orders then 5 million may be accurate... But it's highly unlikely that 5 million have been sold already....
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amazing to see htc do so well after all the production delays!
i think this is the first time im hearing them declare how much they sold.
go htc go!!! brilliant stuff
When executives start BS'ing you know your company has issues.
mnshzz said:
If they are counting confirmed orders then 5 million may be accurate... But it's highly unlikely that 5 million have been sold already....
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Well Samsung counts confirmed orders, and brags about those numbers. HTC would likely want to do the same in this case.
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i think if supplies are enough,it will surpass S4 sales.here in riyadh,One were sold out in two days in all carriers/online stores here..and we are not so lucky to get one..they told us stocks will be avail in 2 to 7 days ..just sayin
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When executives start BS'ing you know your company has issues.
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And how do you know they're BS'ing? Do you have your own sources within HTC, or are you just pulling stuff from the place where the sun don't shine?
For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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HTC One is selling good in Turkey aswell. I saw many people who doesn't even know HTC but after seeing review unit they are amazed by quality.
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For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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Exactly. HTC sells to the carriers so those are their sales numbers. They have already made their money.The carriers and other suppliers sell to us, and their numbers reflect that.
ataft said:
Well Samsung counts confirmed orders, and brags about those numbers. HTC would likely want to do the same in this case.
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Samsung and the general industry counts what they have pushed through to their sales channels... That number may or may not sell but that is what gets reported... Which is why at times manufacturers take a hit on unsold inventory at a later point....remember blackberry tab?
It's possible that HTC managed to send 5 million devices through their sales channels as the article suggests... but looking at the acute supply issues that still exist this means that there are approx 5 million devices out in the wild in the hands of customers..... That appears unlikely as apart from UK and US its really not available easily anywhere....
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bnbasarir said:
For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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You are completely right. I would add thought that more of those 5 million units are in consumers hands then the 10 million from Samsung. HTC is pushing this phone out fast. Last one I got was made 6 days before it came into my hands. I would imagine there is a decent stockpile of S4 in some places where I do not think that is true of the ONE.
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Samsung and the general industry counts what they have pushed through to their sales channels... That number may or may not sell but that is what gets reported... Which is why at times manufacturers take a hit on unsold inventory at a later point....remember blackberry tab?
It's possible that HTC managed to send 5 million devices through their sales channels as the article suggests... but looking at the acute supply issues that still exist this means that there are approx 5 million devices out in the wild in the hands of customers..... That appears unlikely as apart from UK and US its really not available easily anywhere....
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So then where are these units. What warehouse are they hiding in? Why did some guy pay $800 on ebay for my ONE? No one has stock of the HTC ONE. There is no surplus anywhere that I have heard. I have only heard their are not enough to go around.
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/7/30/4570490/htc-q3-2013-guidance-first-loss-on-record
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such threads are not needed, we have been seeing them for years now
besides the verge always adds drama on top here is the proper press release
http://www.htc.com/www/about/newsroom/2013/2013-07-30-htc-reports-2013-second-quarter-results/
Taipei, Taiwan – July 30, 2013 – HTC Corporation (the Company, TWSE: 2498), a global leader in mobile innovation and design, today announced consolidated results for the Company and its subsidiaries for the second quarter of 2013.
2Q 2013 Results
HTC posted quarterly revenue of NT$70.7 billion, with gross margin of 23.2 % and operating margin of 1.5%. Net profit and EPS were NT$1.25 billion and NT$1.50, respectively.
“My leadership team continues to focus on execution,” said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. “We are seeing expected results as we fill the channels and meet demand for the new HTC One. As we broaden our focus to include a new member of the HTC One family, the recently announced One mini, we are looking forward to delivering great products and results in 2H.”
HTC announced key appointments, including Jack Yang to president of South Asia, Sirpa Ikola to senior director of marketing for South Asia, and Lorain Wong to vice president of global PR.
As manufacturing ramped up, the US saw sequential growth in 2Q, as well as expansion in retail channels. EMEA saw renewed strength in major Western European markets and emerging countries.
Progress was observed across Asia. HTC gained market share in Taiwan, showing an improved presence in Hong Kong and warm reception of its products by consumers in Japan. In China, sales of HTC’s high-end models improved, while competition at the mid-tier and affordable intensified. In South Asia, the improvement of key operator relationships provides optimism about the region.
3Q 2013 Outlook
The Company’s outlook for the second quarter of 2013 is as follows:
- 3Q revenue is expected to be in the range of NT$50bn to NT$60bn
- Gross profit margin is expected to be in the range of 18% to 21%
- Operating margin is expected to be in the range of 0% to -8%
The new HTC One has performed well in the market, better than that of our hero products for the same period last year. We aim to extend the momentum as we enter into the second half of 2013. The new HTC One has also helped the company establish strong brand awareness and received numerous accolades as the world’s best smart phone. With the help of HTC One, we have regained superphone market share across major markets including China.
We also have plans underway to launch a range of innovative and competitive mid-tier products in the coming months. We hope to regain momentum and market share in these segments in Q4. This will address our challenge of mid-tier products competiveness
Our overall gross margin has been impacted by the relatively higher cost structure, lack of economy of scale and certain provisions needed to facilitate the clearance of aging products in the channel. Actions have been taken and we expect to see improvement in Q4
We are also optimizing our organization, including the improvement of management efficiency and effectiveness.
People, innovations, and technology are the core assets of HTC. We will continue to invest in innovations and technology, as well as retaining and rewarding our best talents. We look forward to a brighter future for HTC and continue to delight our customers with the best and most exciting products
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you can see clearly that they state, the One is getting them more revenue then last year flagships, but they fall short on the low end side of sales, also they have extra expenses for this quarter causing the predicted loss waste of profit
- 3Q revenue is expected to be in the range of NT$50bn to NT$60bn
- Gross profit margin is expected to be in the range of 18% to 21%
- Operating margin is expected to be in the range of 0% to -8%
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That's a pretty optimistic viewpoint you posted @hamdir. Almost makes it seem like HTC has turned the corner and poised for a rebound (which we all know is far from the truth). Here's Reuters not so optimistic perspective.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/30/us-htc-guidance-idUSBRE96T0B920130730
jlevy73 said:
That's a pretty optimistic viewpoint you posted @hamdir. Almost makes it seem like HTC has turned the corner and poised for a rebound (which we all know is far from the truth). Here's Reuters not so optimistic perspective.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/30/us-htc-guidance-idUSBRE96T0B920130730
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what view? i posted HTC's own press release, they explain pretty clearly that their old inventory and lack of mid / low range competition will cause the predict lack of gross margins, tons of positive in the press release as well such as the HTC One performance and their improvements in Asian markets
meanwhile HTC is hard at work for the next flagship while you guys are busy with their profit or losses
does anyone still follows how much Nokia or Sony are loosing? or when they rebound?
Financial up and downs is normal for any company in my opinion and as far as im concerned it's non of my business, i have an amazing smartphone thanks to them and i don't need to contemplate their finance
here is something interesting from your own link
"Even a hero product can't save them," he said, adding that a partnership with another firm - a possibility CEO Peter Chou has said he would look at - was one of the few strong options open to HTC.
Although HTC is expected to soon launch the HTC One Mini, Samsung and Apple are also likely to announce their own new offerings later this year. A planned marketing blitz, which includes enlisting Robert Downey Jr. for a reported $12 million to star in its ad campaigns, is expected to weigh on profit margins.
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more details here
http://focustaiwan.tw/search/201307300029.aspx?q=htc
HTC said its overall gross margin has been impacted by the relatively higher cost structure, lack of economy of scale and certain provisions needed to facilitate the clearance of aging products in the channel.
Peter Chou, chief executive officer of HTC, said the company is taking action to reduce the cost of some key components used in its products, such as displays and mechanical parts, and that the improvements will be apparent in the fourth quarter.
In addition, HTC plans to launch a new range of mid-tier phones in the late third quarter or early fourth quarter to increase its economy of scale and leverage its product portfolio, Chou said.
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"We are bearish on the company in the longer term as it continues to struggle in the premium smartphone segment despite having a good product, while it remains uncompetitive in the low-end segment," Cheng said, who set a price target of NT$145 on the stock.
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Sony and HTC merge and we're gonna have a good time.
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Sony and HTC merge and we're gonna have a good time.
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My dream
It's alot of over analyzing but it sure makes me worry. They can't even seem to pump put timely updates at this point... Even to their developer and GE editions. Can't blame the carriers holding up the updates on those...
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hamdir said:
Meanwhile HTC is hard at work for the next flagship while you guys are busy wit their profit or losses
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There's nothing in anything that's been posted that's even remotely uplifting regarding HTC's future.
The One's without question the best phone HTC's ever made yet revenue, profit, and market share are down.
Their guidance for Q3 is projected to be down 30% YOY and Q3 includes their projected revenue for the Mini, Max, and any other devices launching during the quarter.
HTC's cost base is f'd because of their loss of scale. They weren't a "tier one" supplier even with the One's idealistic sales goals which means they pay more than their competitors for the same components and aren't given preference when parts are in scarce supply.
Samsung's monolithic and LG/Sony have deep pocketed parent companies with diverse product lines. Motorola's owned by Google. HTC's too small to compete with those companies as well as the Chinese with their low cost base and priority in the Chinese market.
For the eighth quarter in a row we've discussed HTC's "come back" and for the eighth quarter they've posted continually crappy results with their forward guidance showing no relief. The HTC brand may continue through an acquisition but the company itself is pretty much dead. And that's not my opinion, it's the analyst's which, after these results, all have "sell" ratings on the stock.
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such threads are not needed, we have been seeing them for years now
besides the verge always adds drama on top here is the proper press release
http://www.htc.com/www/about/newsroom/2013/2013-07-30-htc-reports-2013-second-quarter-results/
you can see clearly that they state, the One is getting them more revenue then last year flagships, but they fall short on the low end side of sales, also they have extra expenses for this quarter causing the predicted loss waste of profit
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Than.
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HTC is definitely in trouble. The One is an insanely great device and yet they just had their worst quarter. That sounds pretty bad. And again, with the 5s, budget iphone, note 3 and others I don't know how htc can turn this around.
Like Barry said htc is too small of a company at the end of the day. Sony, apple, LG, Samsung are huge companies that have more resources and you need deep pockets to compete. A merge with another company is almost certain at this point.
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Not to be redundant, but this one from Engadget has a positive tone to it.
HTC: the One is selling better than last year's hero products, but next quarter may see a loss
the previous Q2 profit results were good (reported last month)
and these are Q3 projections, considering the stated reasons
i never discussed a come back, all i said companies for a long time can survive with such up and down, we have tons of examples
come to think of it, Asus and HTC merge makes perfect Sense
Same country, Asus sucks in branding and worldwide distribution of it's products, their smartphone side isn't doing so great but they rock in pc and tablets, while HTC is specializes in smartphones exclusively
Asus only sucks in availability of their mobile stuff though. All their PC parts are available every part of the world. If they applied the same resources with the same enthusiasm + a HTC merger, it would be awesomely awesome beyond awesomeness.
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the previous Q2 profit results were good (reported last month)
and these are Q3 projections, considering the stated reasons
i never discussed a come back, all i said companies for a long time can survive with such up and down, we have tons of examples
come to think of it, Asus and HTC merge makes perfect Sense
Same country, Asus sucks in branding and worldwide distribution of it's products, their smartphone side isn't doing so great but they rock in pc and tablets, while HTC is specializes in smartphones exclusively
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Q2 was awful compared to last year's Q2 which is the most relevant comparison. Q-2-Q comparisons don't take in to account seasonality and other trends. And aging inventory is corporate speak for we overestimated demand and/or the competition is eating our lunch. Microsoft writing down $1B because of the Surface's lackluster sales is a good example. What's going to change for HTC? The One's not helping much and the Max and Mini launch is factored in to their Q3 quidance which projects a loss. Their previous focus on the high-end has made them a late comer in emerging markets. Even there their lack of scale makes an identically spec'd HTC phone more expensive to build than their competitors phones. So the high-end (the One) didn't save them and with limited distribution, higher component prices, and no brand loyalty in the price-focused lower tiers it's hard to envision them making much headway there. All the drivel about a bright future is coming from Peter Chou who's decisions and direction got HTC in to the mess they are currently in. His words kind of remind me of "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow for two hamburgers today." And the impact of their financial condition is already being felt by their customers; ask a One S owner.
HTC would survive just like BlackBerry. Would take a very long time to get back on track. I hope mini and ultra boost up their prifits
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Will be rooting for this underdog!
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BarryH_GEG said:
Q2 was awful compared to last year's Q2 which is the most relevant comparison. Q-2-Q comparisons don't take in to account seasonality and other trends. And aging inventory is corporate speak for we overestimated demand and/or the competition is eating our lunch. Microsoft writing down $1B because of the Surface's lackluster sales is a good example. What's going to change for HTC? The One's not helping much and the Max and Mini launch is factored in to their Q3 quidance which projects a loss. Their previous focus on the high-end has made them a late comer in emerging markets. Even there their lack of scale makes an identically spec'd HTC phone more expensive to build than their competitors phones. So the high-end (the One) didn't save them and with limited distribution, higher component prices, and no brand loyalty in the price-focused lower tiers it's hard to envision them making much headway there. All the drivel about a bright future is coming from Peter Chou who's decisions and direction got HTC in to the mess they are currently in. His words kind of remind me of "I'll gladly pay you tomorrow for two hamburgers today." And the impact of their financial condition is already being felt by their customers; ask a One S owner.
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mateeeeeee the One S is well documented already, the reason for the update drop is that Qualcomm stopped supporting snapdragon 3 and hence didn't provide the drivers for 4.2.2
the One S s4 will most likely receive it, as football said the work restarted on the OTA
also this story was confirmed by shen
I'm done here, it was my mistake to enter the financial discussions again
peace
Blackberry would be the one to fall before HTC. HTC, will come back around..
Sammy and Apple love the attention. Ads Ads Ads Ads. It sinks into peoples heads, that these phones are the latest a and greatest that other phones are garbage to them. All in marketing control.. That's why you see more 15 yr old girls with iPhone more and more everyday. Its all about how you advertise. More advertisement the more you will get out of it. $$$
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Trouble Trouble
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Seriously, it's releasing in 2 days and no pricing or availability details??
This is ridiculous.
Has a company ever announced a product and simply never released it?
Others are noticing this too:
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/9/22/4759120/wheres-the-samsung-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition
Probably the tablet won't release in 2 days...
Guich said:
Probably the tablet won't release in 2 days...
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Frakking liars.
September 25, pshh.
I thought Samsung said October release... at least for the USA .
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I thought Samsung said October release... at least for the USA .
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Yes, but Sept 25 for over 100 countries. If there was such a massive launch scheduled within 2 days, don’t you think we’d hear something about it? Pricing, which European stores were going to carry it, unboxing videos, hands-on reviews with retail units, etc.
But nothing!
So this makes me think that those countries aren’t getting it soon. And if they are delayed, then you better believe we will be, too.
This blows.
In italy nobody have notice about the new Note...
I did a quick search for Samsung's IFA 2013 announcement's and The Verge noted the GN10.1 2014 Edition was slated for an October release with no specific date provided. Just figures.
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Yes, but Sept 25 for over 100 countries. If there was such a massive launch scheduled within 2 days, don’t you think we’d hear something about it? Pricing, which European stores were going to carry it, unboxing videos, hands-on reviews with retail units, etc.
But nothing!
So this makes me think that those countries aren’t getting it soon. And if they are delayed, then you better believe we will be, too.
This blows.
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I have seen no official release date from Samsung for anywhere. I have seen speculation all over the place including Sept 24, Sept 25 and Oct 4. Nut all of those dates have come from blogs and rss news, nothing official.
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According to this article it won't be available in Canada until November.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/122...5-great-items-to-its-galaxy-family-of-devices
According to Samsung Switzerland (on Facebook) we'll be getting it 'mid-october', the LTE version 'end of october'.
For a device that's supposed to be available in three weeks, I find this lack of information very strange.
I don't get why so many tech companies don't get this. This is why Apple is as successful as it is, they don't pull this kind of thing.
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According to Samsung Switzerland (on Facebook) we'll be getting it 'mid-october', the LTE version 'end of october'.
For a device that's supposed to be available in three weeks, I find this lack of information very strange.
I don't get why so many tech companies don't get this. This is why Apple is as successful as it is, they don't pull this kind of thing.
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Galaxy Note 3 (deservedly) Galaxy Gear (not so deservedly) is taking all the attention it appears. However, they could throw us a bone here and there. I know that they don't expect a lot of sales but still, as I said in another thread, if you want to gain loyal customers, you don't pull this kind of stuff.
Pull what kind of stuff?
They showed a upcoming product, never announced a release date, and have yet to do so (likely because they don't have one yet). I'm not sure what the alternative is other than to just make one up and then miss it?
Personally I'd rather them wait to announce anything until it's a sure bet and I respect them for that.
Nothing pisses me off more than having a release date and it gets missed or there is a shortage.
I really don't understand the current hysteria lol...
Looks like this may shed some light on when it's coming....
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/09/23/s...-and-galaxy-s4-mini-to-canada-on-october-4th/
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I'm selling my current note and moving on to the surface pro or either the Lenovo yoga 11s. I was going to get the new note but I need more power.
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It's impossible
I don't want buy the tablet at November, i need this before.
Guich said:
It's impossible
I don't want buy the tablet at November, i need this before.
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My Prediction based on the roll out of roms for the Wifi & WIFI+3G Variants
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457074
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457071
That these variants will be released as rumored before end of September early October. ( which seems promising for Middle east, Africa & European countries )
The LTE 4G version seems to be released on a later stage - probably November. ( For North America )
lsherif said:
My Prediction based on the roll out of roms for the Wifi & WIFI+3G Variants
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457074
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457071
That these variants will be released as rumored before end of September early October. ( which seems promising for Middle east, Africa & European countries )
The LTE 4G version seems to be released on a later stage - probably November. ( For North America )
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I will buy the 4G edition...
Will see, samsung fail atm!
Screw this. If they keep us in the dark, I'll just go with IPad 5.
Bring on the flamers, I don't care.
codeman05 said:
Pull what kind of stuff?
They showed a upcoming product, never announced a release date, and have yet to do so (likely because they don't have one yet). I'm not sure what the alternative is other than to just make one up and then miss it?
Personally I'd rather them wait to announce anything until it's a sure bet and I respect them for that.
Nothing pisses me off more than having a release date and it gets missed or there is a shortage.
I really don't understand the current hysteria lol...
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I agree, a release date that is announced but then not honored is also very annoying.
What I mean is that they announce a device, with some kind of release date (at least an approximate one; at least in some areas) but yet there is very little information (for example the price) out there fore interested customers.
In my opinion, if you announce a device you need to be able to present a release schedule and reccommended retail pricing. Otherwise people are going to get excited about your device at the announcement but then get frustrated during the wait of indeterminate length.
This is the example that I experienced: The Note is announced at the end of august. Weeks later, online stores (where I live) still didn't have it in their catalogue and asking customer support, they said they had no info about it, be it price, release date or even if they will have it, because they were not informed by samsung. When the new iPhones were announced the stores had them in their catalogues on the same day, pricing, release date and all. Today you can buy the new iPhones, which were announced two weeks after the Note, of which there is still no sight.
From a marketing point of view it just doesn't make sense to me. You spend a lot of money and effort announcing your device, trying to get people excited over it. But because people can not act on their excitement (for a long time) all that energy just dissipates, instead of it going into pre-orders/sales.
well you can play with the firmware already ;] i uploaded it to my server for fast dl http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457067 njoy
The_Maverick said:
I agree, a release date that is announced but then not honored is also very annoying.
What I mean is that they announce a device, with some kind of release date (at least an approximate one; at least in some areas) but yet there is very little information (for example the price) out there fore interested customers.
In my opinion, if you announce a device you need to be able to present a release schedule and reccommended retail pricing. Otherwise people are going to get excited about your device at the announcement but then get frustrated during the wait of indeterminate length.
This is the example that I experienced: The Note is announced at the end of august. Weeks later, online stores (where I live) still didn't have it in their catalogue and asking customer support, they said they had no info about it, be it price, release date or even if they will have it, because they were not informed by samsung. When the new iPhones were announced the stores had them in their catalogues on the same day, pricing, release date and all. Today you can buy the new iPhones, which were announced two weeks after the Note, of which there is still no sight.
From a marketing point of view it just doesn't make sense to me. You spend a lot of money and effort announcing your device, trying to get people excited over it. But because people can not act on their excitement (for a long time) all that energy just dissipates, instead of it going into pre-orders/sales.
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Bravo!