[Q] Custom ROM with 3g only feature - Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I'd like to use tasker to automatically switch between 2g only and 3g only, so I'm looking for a cm based ROM that could allow this.
Can anyone advice me Roms I can choose from?
Thank you!

Gia90 said:
I'd like to use tasker to automatically switch between 2g only and 3g only, so I'm looking for a cm based ROM that could allow this.
Can anyone advice me Roms I can choose from?
Thank you!
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Last time I checked roms do not have such a feature.
Come here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2121627&highlight=3g+only

I'm quite sure that feature is present in CM 10.1 as confirmed by the attached screenshot i found here on xda
but I'd like to know if there are other roms I can try besides CyanogenMod...

Gia90 said:
I'm quite sure that feature is present in CM 10.1 as confirmed by this screenshot i found here on xda
but I'd like to know if there are other roms I can try besides CyanogenMod...
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Broken link

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Broken link
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It doesn't look broken to me (Are you using tapatalk?)
Anyway I attached it.

Gia90 said:
I'm quite sure that feature is present in CM 10.1 as confirmed by the attached screenshot i found here on xda
but I'd like to know if there are other roms I can try besides CyanogenMod...
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I was just going to suggest that some custom ROMs have customizable toggles that let you switch between 2G/3G etc. If you want to try other ROMs, take a look at the many listed in the Original Development or the Development threads and try the more customization-friendly ones From personal experience I know that CarbonROM, as well as XenonHD has such a toggle. I think Xylon might also have this, but I can't remember...

amartolos said:
I was just going to suggest that some custom ROMs have customizable toggles that let you switch between 2G/3G etc. If you want to try other ROMs, take a look at the many listed in the Original Development or the Development threads and try the more customization-friendly ones From personal experience I know that CarbonROM, as well as XenonHD has such a toggle. I think Xylon might also have this, but I can't remember...
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Thank you for sharing your experience
Can you confirm they also allow "3g only" and not just "2g/3g" auto mode?
Btw I just found the perfect solution here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739530
It should work on any CyanogenMod based ROM, so I should be able to use it with almost any custom ROM :victory:
I will try it as soon as you can
THANK YOU XDA :good:

Gia90 said:
Thank you for sharing your experience
Can you confirm they also allow "3g only" and not just "2g/3g" auto mode?
THANK YOU XDA :good:
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I can confirm 100% that on CarbonROM the 2G toggle is ONLY 2G mode. So when you turn 2G mode on, 3G is off. I use a HSPA+ provider so when I go 2G my service ends. I'd expect XenonHD to have the same thing, because I remember those toggle settings to be quite similar on both those ROMs. I'd expect Xylon to be the same thing too, but I haven't been on Xylon recently so i can't say for certain.

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[ROM][CWM][2.3.5 JVS][9/20] Iluence 1.1

I am not responsible for any damage to your phone from flashing this ROM
Iluence 1.0 my first shot at making ROMs, hope you like it
1.1 Changelog
Removed video call from dialer (Only dialer, couldn't do phone yet)
9 scrollable toggles in quickpanel ( thanks to jkay )
Overscroll Glow ( thanks to dhiru )
Percentage battery
KH3 Samsung Music and Sound Player
Hacked Camera
Epic 4g Touch TW4 ( thanks to zohawkish )
Initial Release
Stock look
Deodexed/Zipaligned
Root/Busybox
Debloated
DarkCore 4.0 JVS Kernel
KC1 Modem
U.S.A.S Tweaks
APN List
Ad Blocking
SQLite 3
Home Haptic Feedback
CRT OFF
Extended Power Menu
6 Toggle Quickpanel including Data
To do:
Add more lockscreens
Add Long press to skip on Samsung Music Player
Known Issues:
Phone.apk may FC one time on first boot but then it's ok
Apn info may need a reboot to work
REMEMBER TO BE ON GB BOOTLOADERS
Download Link 1.0: Iluence 1.0 (Wipe)
Download Link 1.1: Iluence 1.1 (No Wipe)
Special thanks to watsa for all his help developing this.
Nice! I'll try it tonight!
awesome. U r the man.
all the best bro
Looking forward to giving it a shot tonight. Always happy to see a new dev on the playing field. Thanks for the hard work!
Always nice to see new devs and roms. I will try it once the link is available for download. One question though, since I didn't see any screenie, pull down menu includes "vibrate" toggle or "flight mode"?
enaybee said:
Always nice to see new devs and roms. I will try it once the link is available for download. One question though, since I didn't see any screenie, pull down menu includes "vibrate" toggle or "flight mode"?
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I am sure it is sound. Flight mode only comes in I897 ROMs
I'm looking forward to this ROM
Screenshots?
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b-eock said:
Screenshots?
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stock look???
watsa said:
stock look???
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Ohh yahh sorry!
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Welcome
watsa said:
stock look???
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it seem you gave him help you shoudl have told him about the credits .
CRT for instance is dhiru 's
im sure theres more and of course its ok to forget ppl , just sayin
DAGr8 said:
Welcome
it seem you gave him help you shoudl have told him about the credits .
CRT for instance is dhiru 's
im sure theres more and of course its ok to forget ppl , just sayin
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We all learn from mistakes, don't we
I am sure his OP is incomplete yet and he has to update it, even download link is stuck at 49 mins
Seeing as how we are waiting anyway, I figure I stray off topic and post a question to watsa...
How do you do it? I mean, honestly... You are even in other people's roms threads, being as generous as if they were your own...
Hats off. My wife would kill me if I were a third as dedicated as you are.
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watsa said:
We all learn from mistakes, don't we
I am sure his OP is incomplete yet and he has to update it, even download link is stuck at 49 mins
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of course , and theres no harm in not knowing .. we all wonder what rom looks like , you said stock , it was more like a 'wink at you' ( since you helped him you must know how it looks )
btw stay in more then 2 minutes next itme
DAGr8 said:
of course , and theres no harm in not knowing .. we all wonder what rom looks like , you said stock , it was more like a 'wink at you' ( since you helped him you must know how it looks )
btw stay in more then 2 minutes next itme
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lol I have tried coming thrice now and I see no activity so i logoff
Theodor911 said:
Seeing as how we are waiting anyway, I figure I stray off topic and post a question to watsa...
How do you do it? I mean, honestly... You are even in other people's roms threads, being as generous as if they were your own...
Hats off. My wife would kill me if I were a third as dedicated as you are.
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I have nothing else to do lol
Theodor911 said:
Seeing as how we are waiting anyway, I figure I stray off topic and post a question to watsa...
How do you do it? I mean, honestly... You are even in other people's roms threads, being as generous as if they were your own...
Hats off. My wife would kill me if I were a third as dedicated as you are.
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rofl believe me we are all on the edge of divorce for workin our ass off
Sorry guys i had to go to work before the upload was done, ill update the post with the link and proper thanks when i get home
watsa said:
lol I have tried coming thrice now and I see no activity so i logoff
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I'm a slow typer, I had "hey wat" written and you quit lol
iluretar said:
Sorry guys i had to go to work before the upload was done, ill update the post with the link and proper thanks when i get home
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iluretar, fantastic work. Every since I flashed Watsa's version of JVS (the completely stock version) I have been in love with that ROM. So smooth and so stable. GPS works great on my Captivate and TouchWiz 3.0 is very smooth in this ROM. Not to mention faster data rates...
LOSTLOGIC's Epic ROM does a good job to make the ROM more captivate friendly, but I honestly am a big fan of the stock GB icons. So your ROM (on paper) fits the bill exactly.
Thank you far sharing with the community and I look forward to flashing your ROM. I'll report my experience with it.
You mention Sony Ericsson launcher is added, is TouchWiz still there too? If so, did you figure out how to set the homepage index. I tried every trick in the book (including editting the default.prop) with no success.
Thanks Watsa for sharing your knowledge. I plan on bouncing some ideas off you too once I do some basic research on ROM creation. Also DaGr8, I know you have contributed to the Rogers Captivate community in terms of ROMs and support. Props/thanks to you as well.

MIUI Officially released for the SGSII

http://www.facebook.com/miuiromchina
http://miuiandroid.com/roms/miui-development-roms/
Downloading now!
What is so special about it ? Is it better than Cyanogen, Darky or CriskeloROM which I want to install ?
Tnx
so is this miui suppose to have no bugs at all i expect or ?? like all other miui something is missing video codecs, players, wifi, data or something something.. so whats good about this?? please specify so i can use it if its 100% otherwise id stick to original android.
omg awesome
Try it. You will be blown away. Videos On youtube do it no justice.
Latest version, and official ROM is so good. Why don't you guys try it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-9T44Bt7M
Shouldn't this be in the general forum if you're not actually developing it?
Yeah Im just posting the news. Never been to the general forum part sorry and I didnt know.
Just wanted to fill people in!
So yes it should be moved to the SGS2 General forum
The link to the ROM you posted was from July 9th...
Anyways, moving this to General.
The link is to the miuiandroid build, from the 21st, and that is not official?? I don't believe they are releasing the official until another 2 hours or so?
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I will try this great ROM.
djbill2005 said:
I will try this great ROM.
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You'll have to wait 15mins for the official version... The one in this thread is not it and an old version
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Sorry but what's so special about this MIUI then, is it better than Stock ROM's?
why choose it over standard Android?
THUDUK said:
Sorry but what's so special about this MIUI then, is it better than Stock ROM's?
why choose it over standard Android?
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It provides a totally different experience, visually...
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where is v1.10.28 link ???
pleaseeee
THUDUK said:
Sorry but what's so special about this MIUI then, is it better than Stock ROM's?
why choose it over standard Android?
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I used to wonder the same myself. To me it just looked like Android with an iPhone interface.
However I tried it and found things like...
toggles in the notification screen (configurable)
battery stats that go into a LOT of detail (configurable)
full skinning that allows you to mix and match theme elements on the fly (configurable)
built in call/sms firewall (configurable)
built in application security w/password (configurable)
They're just off the top of my head. There's so much more that it does above and beyond regular Android. Other than the configurable toggles in the notification screen (swipe left/right from notifications to get to a full screen of toggles) I've not seen anything that you can't do with apps, but it's all there and all works together.
Also, in my opinion it has the best browser available for Android.
There's more, but I guess you're getting that it's very configurable
agabey_42 said:
where is v1.10.28 link ???
pleaseeee
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http://www.miui.com/development.html
this is the link to the download. but MIUI said on their fb they are uploading one by one and as of now the rom for s2 is still not up... =) fortunately i know a bit of chinese.
its been there since coupla weeks if am not wrong. and yeah they have weekly releases.
as far the MIUI port and builds out for SGS2 , I have tried a few and the general thing is battery life is not as good as sammy ROMs, battery stats are totally wrong (its a known issue). FM and Bluetooth work now.
netcitizen said:
its been there since coupla weeks if am not wrong. and yeah they have weekly releases.
as far the MIUI port and builds out for SGS2 , I have tried a few and the general thing is battery life is not as good as sammy ROMs, battery stats are totally wrong (its a known issue). FM and Bluetooth work now.
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You just got thanked! (accidentally)
The official rom is being released as we speak on the Chinese miui website... But that's in Chinese so we will all have to wait a day or 2 until miuiandroid translate it into english... But yes this is official support, and hopefully fixes alot compared to the .21 release...
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The webiste is showing the S2 development rom for download. Only problem is, it doesnt give any info on installing this rom!
Does it have to be flashed via Odin?
ZIP placed on SD and Installed via CWM?
Do we Wipe any of the cache's?
Is data stored or everything deleted?
Anybody got the answer to these questions?
netcitizen said:
its been there since coupla weeks if am not wrong. and yeah they have weekly releases.
as far the MIUI port and builds out for SGS2 , I have tried a few and the general thing is battery life is not as good as sammy ROMs, battery stats are totally wrong (its a known issue). FM and Bluetooth work now.
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This alone puts me off straight away

[ROM][ICS][P7300/P7310] ► AOKP M6Slim ♪ [discontinued]

As of today, October 18th, I no longer have this tablet, so support for this ROM is now discontinued. Thanks for all your support!
First off congrats and that was quick! Second, its the smartest move EVER to put a file manager in the build......about to flash, see ya in 15.....
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StarkCity said:
First off congrats and that was quick! Second, its the smartest move EVER to put a file manager in the build......about to flash, see ya in 15.....
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Customized it as a fall-back ROM in case something fails in an experimental build. I hope the community likes it.
nirogu325 said:
Customized it as a fall-back ROM in case something fails in an experimental build. I hope the community likes it.
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I'm working on a boot animation where the Cyanogen Mod dude rides in on an AOKP pink unicorn.... watch out.....
Kidding.....almost done booting
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(Don't hate)
Good job!
EDIT:
Have Tried this rom Out It's Great Thanks !
StarkCity said:
I'm working on a boot animation where the Cyanogen Mod dude rides in on an AOKP pink unicorn.... watch out.....
Kidding.....almost done booting
Sent from my 4S iBeast™
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Pfffft
Thanks for the feedback guys! :good: Here's a little gem I also found useful from user apooonet: MiFileExplorer. I like how it categorizes your files so if you downloaded something you don't have to navigate through folders.
Wanna try your rom, but just a little question before :
Running CM9 at the moment, and there's a bug. When Tab is plugged to charge, it power off every time. (kernel bug ?)
Is there the same problem with this release ?
Thx
luminouche said:
Wanna try your rom, but just a little question before :
Running CM9 at the moment, and there's a bug. When Tab is plugged to charge, it power off every time. (kernel bug ?)
Is there the same problem with this release ?
Thx
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No. That little bug is CM-driven. This one is based on AOKP, so yes, all good.
Thanks for answer !
Gonna flash tomorrow !
luminouche said:
Thanks for answer !
Gonna flash tomorrow !
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Thanks, let me know how it went.
I've just flashed your rom But seems 3G version don't have 3G function....
LeoNg628 said:
I've just flashed your rom But seems 3G version don't have 3G function....
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I never touched the kernel in that one. Did you flash something else? Did you fully wipe? Any other 7300 user experiencing the same?
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LeoNg628 said:
I've just flashed your rom But seems 3G version don't have 3G function....
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nirogu325 said:
I never touched the kernel in that one. Did you flash something else? Did you fully wipe? Any other 7300 user experiencing the same?
Remember when I pulled the 7310 and it showed you that only one download for the 7300 had happened? Not that we have something switched up, but when you asked me if I was sure I had downloaded the right build I had a little flashback of a 7300-7310 mix up earlier in the month. Are we positive we don't have a link situation?
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GTP7310
nirogu325 said:
I never touched the kernel in that one. Did you flash something else? Did you fully wipe? Any other 7300 user experiencing the same?
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Hi nirogu325,
NO, I've already wipe data/factory reset using "Clockwork_Recovery_6.0.0.8_GT-P7300". also I've wipe the system.
Did I press or download something wrong~?
Thanks!
LeoNg628 said:
Hi nirogu325,
NO, I've already wipe data/factory reset using "Clockwork_Recovery_6.0.0.8_GT-P7300". also I've wipe the system.
Did I press or download something wrong~?
Thanks!
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No worries, I will double check. I think I have a clue where the problem might lie. Any other 7300 user that has the problem?
Edit: LeoNg628, I sent you a PM. Please check.
Just wanted to say I really like this slim rom - thank you very much! It's also much snappier than anything I've ever tested, ranging from stock to aosp and aokp roms, cm9 included. I'm not quite satisfied with the "density" (or how to you call that?) of the font, it's a bit too less crisp and clear for my taste. I know I could flash ics, but the font itself is more beautiful than the ics one.
What I miss:
- not being able to customize the unlock-icon
- choosing an app to unlock to results in having a very fugly icon (pixelated) displayed in lockscreen
- the sound is so much better than anything I've ever heard coming out of my tab (most of the roms were WAY too quiet/weak),
but it's still far from "punchy" and I dont mean "oooomph bass bass bass" at all
I know it's not exactly desired to give feedback but I supposed I'd add my two cents anyway
Maybe I'll add a few more things as I'm spending time with my beloved 8.9
Robpollard said:
Just wanted to say I really like this slim rom - thank you very much! It's also much snappier than anything I've ever tested, ranging from stock to aosp and aokp roms, cm9 included. I'm not quite satisfied with the "density" (or how to you call that?) of the font, it's a bit too less crisp and clear for my taste. I know I could flash ics, but the font itself is more beautiful than the ics one.
What I miss:
- not being able to customize the unlock-icon
- choosing an app to unlock to results in having a very fugly icon (pixelated) displayed in lockscreen
- the sound is so much better than anything I've ever heard coming out of my tab (most of the roms were WAY too quiet/weak),
but it's still far from "punchy" and I dont mean "oooomph bass bass bass" at all
I know it's not exactly desired to give feedback but I supposed I'd add my two cents anyway
Maybe I'll add a few more things as I'm spending time with my beloved 8.9
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Ah yes, it's a tough decision (JB font looks more elegant, although thinner). You can always flash the ICS font included at the OP, but I get your point. About what you miss, that's...well...out of my control, but you can choose your desired icon when customizing it (a chore looking for icons, I know, but we do have that alternative). About the sound, I also use the app Equalizer to further customize the sound. Also yes, feedback is indeed truly appreciated ! I'm glad to be of service, and even more glad this ROM is useful to someone! :good:
nirogu325 said:
No worries, I will double check. I think I have a clue where the problem might lie. Any other 7300 user that has the problem?
Edit: LeoNg628, I sent you a PM. Please check.
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Thanks your help! It works NOW! I can use my SIM as usual~!:laugh::good::good:
LeoNg628 said:
Thanks your help! It works NOW! I can use my SIM as usual~!:laugh::good::good:
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Thanks a lot for your feedback. Very appreciated and glad the fix worked.

[Q] With so many awesome ROMs avialable is there anything missing?

I'm just curious to see what people think, is there anything missing? Any type of ROM or particular feature that people are looking for that we don't have yet?
It would seem PA and CM10 are the most popular, is there much call for more AOSP style ROMs?
Please let me know what you all think...
CdTDroiD said:
I'm just curious to see what people think, is there anything missing? Any type of ROM or particular feature that people are looking for that we don't have yet?
It would seem PA and CM10 are the most popular, is there much call for more AOSP style ROMs?
Please let me know what you all think...
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As of now and to be true we are very much satisfied with the hell lot of features various ROMs are providing.
Still thanks for what you thought. :good:

The Peoples ROM: Suggest Features

Hello I am working on the first ROM for our wonderful MOTO G. this for the time will be based off 4.3. please comment features from other ROMS or Devices that you would like included in the ROM.
Update:
List of projected features.
Over/Under clocking (WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN FIRST VERSION)
Active Display
Boot Logo Animation Editing Tool
Halo and Pie
Xposed Framework
OpenPDroid
Multiwindow Feature (hopefuly)
White status bar writing and google experience launcher (when we get KitKat)
Dark UI
XDA:DevDB Information
The Peoples ROM, a ROM for the Moto G
Contributors
lamaboy99
ROM OS Version: 4.3.x Jellybean
Based On: AOSP
Version Information
Status: Testing
Created 2013-12-02
Last Updated 2013-12-02
MIUI v5 maybe?
Omni rom :b
Blablabla Tapatalk 4 blablabla Desire C
Carbon ROMs, cm and aokp all in one ?
Edit: most of the features, but I guess most important, change toggles, nav bar color, redimension, notification settings, battery icons, etc
Like I said booth cm and aokp features ?
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RestlessScreams said:
Omni rom :b
Blablabla Tapatalk 4 blablabla Desire C
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helinhof said:
MIUI v5 maybe?
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im asking for features from the ROM not the ROM
it would be nice to see "always on" from Moto X
Why not port the full rom instead of individual features?
senk1gsc said:
it would be nice to see "always on" from Moto X
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working on that first thing i started working on haha
helinhof said:
Why not port the full rom instead of individual features?
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because then you have one rom with all the features
lamaboy99 said:
working on that first thing i started working on haha
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I'm eagerly awaiting the ROM then :good:
lamaboy99 said:
working on that first thing i started working on haha
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It will burn through battery since the G doesn't have a dedicated low power chip. Even with its great battery life.
helinhof said:
It will burn through battery since the G doesn't have a dedicated low power chip. Even with its great battery life.
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Working on a fix right now not sure if it will work or not maybe two versions of the ROM one with and one without
helinhof said:
It will burn through battery since the G doesn't have a dedicated low power chip. Even with its great battery life.
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not necessarily, i had utter (which is similar) on my RAZR and the battery life was only about a hour shorter
lamaboy99 said:
Working on a fix right now not sure if it will work or not maybe two versions of the ROM one with and one without
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If we have CWM you can simply make a flashable zip of this "always listening" feature one of the best things on android. The possibilities.
This ROMs will be available for both single and dual SIM versions? I'm afraid that we can't get CyanogenMod for the dual sim version of Moto G.
Honestly, unless you have something to show for it, this sort of thread belongs in general discussion and not development.
Did you read the thread that is stickied to this forum? It clearly says:
Placeholder threads posted in the development section will be removed or moved.
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I'd like a solid device build profile so that AOSP based roms can be compiled before even thinking about miscellaneous features.
marcuzvolk said:
This ROMs will be available for both single and dual SIM versions? I'm afraid that we can't get CyanogenMod for the dual sim version of Moto G.
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It is going to be based off of the stock rom so hopefully yes it will be able to run on both
I'm not an expert but probably to optimize the always listening feature should be useful modifying the kernel? I mean..it only one of the four cores is used for this function while the other three sleeps, probably the battery drain would be less aggressive? Sorry it I said something wrong. Anyway this device can become GREAT with some developing so happy
gigsaw said:
I'm not an expert but probably to optimize the always listening feature should be useful modifying the kernel? I mean..it only one of the four cores is used for this function while the other three sleeps, probably the battery drain would be less aggressive? Sorry it I said something wrong. Anyway this device can become GREAT with some developing so happy
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We won't see any sort of kernel modifications until Motorola release source.
mystichobo said:
Honestly, unless you have something to show for it, this sort of thread belongs in general discussion and not development.
Did you read the thread that is stickied to this forum? It clearly says:
I'd like a solid device build profile so that AOSP based roms can be compiled before even thinking about miscellaneous features.
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It isn't aosp it is based off of stick which has already been posted. And I can ask for features I'm not toting a rom I'm asking for ideas that rule is inapplicable

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