Hey folks I'm wondering about my phone, it's brand new but i read around that there some troubles with the red light of death, so i need to known what's the better strategy for my never turned on battery, could be better of i recharge it completely or could be better of i discharge it and then recharge to 100%?
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No need to discharge it. It's even better never let it drain completely.
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Yeah, the older batteries, you wouldn't want to keep fully charged very long and you'd always want to fully drain but with the new batteries, it doesn't really matter that much. What is recommended is, as Unjustable said, you don't want to fully drain it.
Also don't have a charging routine.
Ex. You never charge your phone til it gets to 15%
You have to change it up a bit.
If your phones at 50% charge it. If its at 10% charge it. If its at 70% charge it. You don't wanna charge it at the same percentage all the time.
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bodom_hc said:
Also don't have a charging routine.
Ex. You never charge your phone til it gets to 15%
You have to change it up a bit.
If your phones at 50% charge it. If its at 10% charge it. If its at 70% charge it. You don't wanna charge it at the same percentage all the time.
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Why is that?
I always used to charge my phone when it reached below 10% and battery stats were perfect. Just recently I started charging WHENEVER I felt like.. be it at 30%.....50% or even 90%. And now since 3 days my phone automatically reaches to 100% charge from..lets say..85% etc. Even after restart it shows 100%.
Moreover, when I unplug and use it for a min, it drops a few percentage and suddenly gets back to 100% and then starts draining.
Dont know whats wrong.
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Also don't have a charging routine.
Ex. You never charge your phone til it gets to 15%
You have to change it up a bit.
If your phones at 50% charge it. If its at 10% charge it. If its at 70% charge it. You don't wanna charge it at the same percentage all the time.
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i've already heard this, this should be good for the battery's elasticity
I fully drain mine every day..(until dies).. Also Google recommendation is drain it after you get your phone....
I've never had an issue doing it this way.
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myturbo1 said:
I fully drain mine every day..(until dies).. Also Google recommendation is drain it after you get your phone....
I've never had an issue doing it this way.
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That you don't have any issues is because of the battery is protected by circuitry that prevents over-charge and deep-discharge.
As i stated before it's better to not fully discharge.
Also Google didn't recommend fully drain it when u get it..
myturbo1 said:
I fully drain mine every day..(until dies).. Also Google recommendation is drain it after you get your phone....
I've never had an issue doing it this way.
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Where you seen it? Are you sure?
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I dont think fully draining the battery is good for its life span. I usually let it discharge until 7% and haven't had any problems.
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battery charged message at 95 or 97%?
defective battery?
Yeah me too. The only way I can get the battery to 100% is by using my spare battery charger. Trying to charge it in the phone always results in it maxxing out at like 96.
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Yep..same here. I get it to charge to 100 by taking it off the charger for just a sec then putting it back on.
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same. Usually 97%
Picked up a new charger, and it goes to 100% and beyond, and the LED light never turns blue!!!
Seems to charge faster, that extra .5A must be helping!
I mostly charge my phone when it's off and I always get 100%
Have you let your phone completely die yet. I had the same issue and really bad battery life (like 5 hours max). It helps to let the battery completely die every few days. Before I let it die the best I got was 97%. Now I get 100% all the time. Also my battery last closer to 10-12 hours, depending on use.
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Yes, mine stopped at 95. I tried charging, turn off phone, put on charger for an hour, then turn on, got to 97. Traded batteries the same.
However, one reading says 100, one says 97 - the batteries have issues is all I can figure out. Might be internal software.
Normal for lithium-ion batteries and modern chargers.
helchez said:
Have you let your phone completely die yet. I had the same issue and really bad battery life (like 5 hours max). It helps to let the battery completely die every few days. Before I let it die the best I got was 97%. Now I get 100% all the time. Also my battery last closer to 10-12 hours, depending on use.
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a few times yes should i let it again?
badasscat said:
Normal for lithium-ion batteries and modern chargers.
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so htc hero and palm pixi arent modern? cuz they dont have this problem
I remember as a kid, when getting new hardware, you need to charge it to the maximum and leave it in for a few hours to kinda work the battery and get the most optimal battery life. So for this phone, what would you need to do when you first get it to get the battery to be the best it can be?
Do we cycle it from 0 to 100, or just charge it to 100 and leave it?
Or does it not matter?
qwahchees said:
I remember as a kid, when getting new hardware, you need to charge it to the maximum and leave it in for a few hours to kinda work the battery and get the most optimal battery life. So for this phone, what would you need to do when you first get it to get the battery to be the best it can be?
Do we cycle it from 0 to 100, or just charge it to 100 and leave it?
Or does it not matter?
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It doesn't matter. While older nickel-cadmium batteries could have issues with charge memory, lithium ion batteries are not affected. Just charge and use your phone as normal. If you want to maximize battery life make sure not to place your phone in extreme heat (eg. inside a locked car in summer time) and avoid leaving your phone at 0% charge for any length of time.
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It doesn't matter. While older nickel-cadmium batteries could have issues with charge memory, lithium ion batteries are not affected. Just charge and use your phone as normal. If you want to maximize battery life make sure not to place your phone in extreme heat (eg. inside a locked car in summer time) and avoid leaving your phone at 0% charge for any length of time.
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But the phone is using Lithium Polymer...
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But the phone is using Lithium Polymer...
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For the purposes of this discussion it is identical.
Well technically it's Lithium-ion Polymer
Same thing. Either way they don't have the memory issues that old rechargeable batteries had..
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Nope.
These new Lithium batteries aren't subject to any of these myths.
Same with the "Take off your device from the charger once it has been fully 100% charged or the battery will stuff up." Nope. The battery just cuts the charge and just runs down. That's why if you look at your charging history, it might go to 99%, 98 or even 97, and go back up to 100% because that's when the phone decides, "Yep, I'll take a bit more charge."
Alright. Thanks to everyone!
I'm getting mine tomorrow ;D
(Aw, outta thanks to give :'( )
It is good with these batteries to run then down to almost empty every week or so, right?
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Richieboy67 said:
It is good with these batteries to run then down to almost empty every week or so, right?
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Another myth. Not true for Lithium batteries
Really? I read this in a battery forum years ago. This was for laptop batteries though..
Not meaning to sound sarcastic, how do you know this? Are you an electronics engineer or something? Just wondering.
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Lithium-ion/lithium-polymer batteries don't have the "memory effect" that older nickel-cadmium and nickel-metalhydride batteries did. So there's no point trying to run your battery down low every now and again to help its life. In fact, it seems that charging it more often is the most helpful thing, i.e. lots of small charges rather than big charges all the time.
Just use it normally and charge it when you need, it'll be fine.
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How about leaving the phone charging after it is fully charged? Like when you charge it overnight.
arcwindz said:
How about leaving the phone charging after it is fully charged? Like when you charge it overnight.
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The phone and charger electronics will lower the rate of charging as it reaches 100% and turn it off when it's done. You don't need to worry about unplugging it right away.
In longer term storage situations where you aren't using the device (i.e. weeks or months) it's optimal to store the battery at a charge level of 60-70% to reduce battery degradation over time. When the Mars rover \Curiosity was en route to mars the batteries were at 60% and were charged upon approaching the planet.
Richieboy67 said:
Really? I read this in a battery forum years ago. This was for laptop batteries though..
Not meaning to sound sarcastic, how do you know this? Are you an electronics engineer or something? Just wondering.
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I am an electrical engineer actually. Li-Ion or Li-Po batteries do not need to be treated any special way. The only thing that degrades them is use and time. And it does not matter how deeply you discharge them (discharging to 50% twice is about the same wear on the battery as discharging to 0% once, within a reasonable degree of error).
What you may have been reading was with regards to calibrating your laptop's battery meter. There is some truth to that, and allowing even your phone to discharge completely (down to 5% or so) once can help make sure your battery percentage is accurate. But it does not affect your battery life at all.
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I remember as a kid...
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I remember as a kid that all the phones had a cable attached and no battery whatsoever...
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I'm following what the manual said!
I was going th carge wherever and start using it, beut then i got the phone and read that it would be good to charge it full first.
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I prefer to follow what google says thank you very much
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raziel.beoulve said:
I was going th carge wherever and start using it, beut then i got the phone and read that it would be good to charge it full first.
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I prefer to follow what google says thank you very much
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Actually, it doesn't say to do it "first". It says "its a good idea to fully charge *as soon as you get a chance*."
The wording in the quick start guide you provided doesn't seem to imply that its a critical thing. It seems to me that they are putting that there in case someone takes it out the box, starts playing with/using it, then wonders why the phone is already dead. Then they post to XDA about how the battery life sucks. (Just kidding! )
Hi,
I recently bought an external Battery, and i'm charging my N4 really often, for example as soon as it reaches only 50%. Is it bad for the battery of the N4 ?
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It's actually good for the battery not to go below 20% afaik, meaning this should actually be good for the battery.
Doesn't matter if you recharge at 50% or 1%. The battery will be fine. You will be charging it more often but for less time at 50% so it balances out really. The thing about not letting the charge get too low is a myth, because the 0% on the phone is not really 0% on the physical battery, there's circuitry there to protect it.
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So basically, everything ever said about batteries is a myth, and just use them however you like xD
AutruiP said:
Hi,
I recently bought an external Battery, and i'm charging my N4 really often, for example as soon as it reaches only 50%. Is it bad for the battery of the N4 ?
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no. you dont necessarily need to chaege only when battery is low. you can charge whenever you want. your choice
Thanks a lot for your answers !
Is it possible to ruin my phone's battery due to overcharging? I charge my phone overnight no matter what percentage it is on, I still charge it I know this is bad, but can this ruin the battery? thanks
You should be able to charge as long as you want w no problems as long as you're doing this in a cool or room-temp environment (rather than say leaving it alone in a car charging at high noon w AC off, windows down & no sun shades on the windshield). If you have your phone charging in hi-temp conditions too long\often your battery swells & you get gradual irreparable damage.
HeyyMyNameIs said:
Is it possible to ruin my phone's battery due to overcharging? I charge my phone overnight no matter what percentage it is on, I still charge it I know this is bad, but can this ruin the battery? thanks
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If u make a correct use of your battery it won't get damaged. Extreme overclock, overvolt, etc can ruin your battery, but if u charge it every day because ur battery is empty it's ok, and u won't have any problem.
luiseteyo said:
If u make a correct use of your battery it won't get damaged. Extreme overclock, overvolt, etc can ruin your battery, but if u charge it every day because ur battery is empty it's ok, and u won't have any problem.
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what if I charge it eventhough the battery isnt empty?
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what if I charge it eventhough the battery isnt empty?
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You should be fine. Just look out for power surges!
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You should be fine. Just look out for power surges!
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thanks man =) thanks to the both of you who replied
Normally, when your phone reaches 100 % full battery level, it stops charging and starts discharging. At around 95 % level, it starts charging again. This all takes a toll on the battery, especially over a long period.
If your phone's battery is at or above 50%, leave it alone or turn it off for the night.
I have an external battery pack for use during the day time, just for situations like this.
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Been thinking of asking this for some time. Thanks OP for posting and big thanks to those who replied.
jamesc760 said:
Normally, when your phone reaches 100 % full battery level, it stops charging and starts discharging. At around 95 % level, it starts charging again. This all takes a toll on the battery, especially over a long period.
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I don't think that's correct. It should switch to a trickle charge, which won't harm the battery, not stop charging completely.
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What I spend a lot of time charging the phone through USB? I leave it on charge at work plugged into the computer through USB as there are no free plug sockets. My battery just seems to be getting worse and worse over the last couple of months... Could this be the problem?
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Is it possible to ruin my phone's battery due to overcharging? I charge my phone overnight no matter what percentage it is on, I still charge it I know this is bad, but can this ruin the battery? thanks
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It'll automatically stop charging itself when it's full, it's impossible to overcharge a modern cell phone battery these days. They are a bit more computerized than the old nicad batteries from back in the day. It's actually healthier to give lithium batteries partial charges at a time instead of draining to zero percent and charging to 100 percent.
phil35 said:
What I spend a lot of time charging the phone through USB? I leave it on charge at work plugged into the computer through USB as there are no free plug sockets. My battery just seems to be getting worse and worse over the last couple of months... Could this be the problem?
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I doubt it. Could be a faulty battery, but more likely to be apps draining it in the background. Install BetterBatteryStats and see what is using the battery.
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i'm using app called full battery & theft alarm. i always charge my phone during sleep, and this app will wake me up to disconnect the charger if the battery is full.
i hope this will prolong the battery life
How do you know your battery is getting worse if it's always charging?
My personal experience is the less you charge it, the better it will perform. However, when you DO charge it, make sure you are less than 30% battery and charge it to 100% before removing it.
For me it's easy, I basically charge my phone at night when I go to bed and that's it. I easily get through an entire day on this phone, though I admit I usually only have about 2-1/2 hours screen on time (I mostly use my tablet when I am at home)
So excited about getting my new phone today but have a question prior to opening just to be prepared. What is the best process to ensure the battery health when first opening device? Do I charge the device fully prior to turning it on for the first time or do I let the battery drain fully before I put it on the charger? I know this is an age old discussion but not sure with these new phones how to best handle it.
Thanks in advance.
I honestly used it took it died, then I charged it all the way to 100 (never leave overnight) then I let it die all the way, then charge again.. So far good battery life
That was after my first full charge[emoji4]
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RidinNerdy said:
I honestly used it took it died, then I charged it all the way to 100 (never leave overnight) then I let it die all the way, then charge again.. So far good battery life
That was after my first full charge[emoji4]
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Thanks. Ill do that. I love the battery stats you getting and that's what I want!!
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I honestly used it took it died, then I charged it all the way to 100 (never leave overnight) then I let it die all the way, then charge again.. So far good battery life
That was after my first full charge[emoji4]
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That is the worst thing you can do. These aren't NiCads. LiIon batteries do not like to be fully discharged.
You'll likely find that the battery will be charged to roughly 40%. This is considered the ideal amount of charge for long-term storage. People often still worry about memory effects of batteries, harping back to the days of older battery types such as Ni-Cad and some Ni-Mh batteries but the same isn't true for Li-ion or Li-Pol batteries.
The one thing to absolutely try to avoid is letting the battery run down to flat. Li-ion batteries will degrade quicker over time if discharged fully, which is also why devices have a built-in "buffer" amount when you run the battery down to avoid damaging them.
Honestly, the main issue for your battery is heat, and large drops or knocks. Try and keep it cool and never let it die on you!
You don't need to do anything special, just use it. One thing you should definitely not do is completely discharge the battery though. You should also refrain from keeping the device connected to a charger once it's reached full charge, keeping the battery at peak voltage decreases the long-term battery life. Here's a couple of really helpful articles:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
Just a point of info: Phone batteries don't LET you completely discharge. Once your phone shuts down (afer running "out" of battery, the battery still has some level of charge left.
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Just a point of info: Phone batteries don't LET you completely discharge. Once your phone shuts down (afer running "out" of battery, the battery still has some level of charge left.
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That is right, but if you continue to power the device on in order to drain it more you'll cause problems. It's virtually impossible to completely drain one of these batteries, it actually powers down at something like 50% of its true capacity, because if it gets much lower than this it can cause irreparable damage. If you do somehow manage to drain one of these batteries past that magical point (by the methods I described above), it will simply not power on again because there's a minimum amount of voltage required.
Interesting. I normally charge my devices while I sleep so when I wake up they are fully charged. Once I'm up I'm ready to go and have a full charge not wake up to charge the device and wait for it to reach capacity idk. I haven't had any issues in any phone I've had while charging it while I sleep at night
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Cleva1 said:
Interesting. I normally charge my devices while I sleep so when I wake up they are fully charged. Once I'm up I'm ready to go and have a full charge not wake up to charge the device and wait for it to reach capacity idk. I haven't had any issues in any phone I've had while charging it while I sleep at night
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It just basically reduces the capacity of the battery over time. I charge in the evening before bed, it only drops a couple of percent overnight thanks to doze.
Heisenberg said:
It just basically reduces the capacity of the battery over time. I charge in the evening before bed, it only drops a couple of percent overnight thanks to doze.
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With my Nexus like now I'm in bed with 77% battery, I'm usually on my device until I fall asleep, my BlackBerry has great standby time. With doze, I don't lose much battery if any and since the phone recharges so fast. I'm rarely "dead" enough to warrant me charging it while I sleep like say my note four etc. But this is food for thought in regards to charging
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