Nexus 4 Unusable for VoIP Calls - Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've noticed that the Nexus 4 is unusable for VoIP calls due to no echo cancellation, and no background noise filtering (using the second microphone). This issue occurs for all VoIP calls, no matter the client. Some clients attempt to fix this with software filtering, etc, but none do a very good job.
Please star the following issue on the Android bug tracker to bring this to Google's attention. https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=41626 The following comment provides more details on the issue:
SIP is unusable on the Nexus 4 because the device doesn't provide an AcousticEchoCanceler[1], AutomaticGainControl[2] or NoiseSuppressor[3]. Additionally, the VOICE_COMMUNICATION[4] audio source designed for VoIP applications returns the same audio as if the application asked for raw microphone data, which is completely unusable for VoIP calls.
The reason cell calls sound good is because the cellular phone takes advantage of the second microphone on the device to perform background noise cancellation and presumably has a hardware chip for echo cancellation. Why these necessary items are not exposed via the APIs listed below on Google's flagship phone is a mystery to me.
Also, the reason SIP is still pretty good on the Galaxy Nexus is because it provides implementations for the AcousticEchoCanceler, AutomaticGainControl and NoiseSuppressor. So even though it doesn't have a second microphone, it does some processing on the audio (via hardware or software) to make it usable for a call. The Nexus 4 provides none of this.
[1] http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/audiofx/AcousticEchoCanceler.html
[2] http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/audiofx/AutomaticGainControl.html
[3] http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/audiofx/NoiseSuppressor.html
[4] http://developer.android.com/refere...Recorder.AudioSource.html#VOICE_COMMUNICATION
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Have other people noticed this issue. I've noticed it with the stock SIP client, sipdroid, csipsimple, and Talkatone.

I have only used GrooVe IP, and it works fine with stock settings.

I use sipdroid and it works well. No complaints.
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Try talkatone. Works well most of the time for me.
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While indeed it is an issue, I'm seeing good enough results with sipdroid using gsm codec. Did run into major issues recently because newer cm nightlies changed mcast filtering / ARP. Manually revert that and its fine again. At the least, I've struggled with sip calls with many phones in the past and this is the smoothest experience yet (never had the gnex).
Note I used to use speex for its obvious benefits over gsm but gsm seems to work fine for me and I figure it may be less CPU intensive
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Try making a call outside, or with background noise. When I make a call while walking down the street, or in a windy location, the background noise is quite loud for the other person. I've tried several different clients and configurations, and all of them have this issue. The problem is that the phone is not filtering out background noise using the second microphone, and software can only attempt to make this better.

Slightly old thread here, sorry, but I'm wondering if anyone has tried using the built-in VOIP functionality. I currently have a T989 but am considering Mako, and I always had better results using CM10's built-in VOIP than with GrooveIP (i.e. people would complain a whole lot about static and echo when I used GrooveIP). Can anyone comment on this?

I agree. Tried all voip apps from market: groove, talkatone, spare phone, vonage, Skype. Terrible results. I did find one that is working great though (knock on wood): EverVoice. Tried it over the last few days and haven't had any problems on wifi and T-Mobile 4g.
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sec6 said:
I agree. Tried all voip apps from market: groove, talkatone, spare phone, vonage, Skype. Terrible results. I did find one that is working great though (knock on wood): EverVoice. Tried it over the last few days and haven't had any problems on wifi and T-Mobile 4g.
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Edit: Spoke too soon. EverVoice is unreliable also. Decided to just ditch google voice and add prepaid minutes to tmobile 30 dollar prepaid unlimited plan.

Pandemic187 said:
Slightly old thread here, sorry, but I'm wondering if anyone has tried using the built-in VOIP functionality. I currently have a T989 but am considering Mako, and I always had better results using CM10's built-in VOIP than with GrooveIP (i.e. people would complain a whole lot about static and echo when I used GrooveIP). Can anyone comment on this?
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Built in voip also echos for me on the Nexus 4. I wondering if regular voice calls go through a different chip or something that does echo cancellation. Is it possible that this chip isn't available for voip?

I am using the built in SIP client with Callcentric. I was using SipSorcery, but I had "no audio" issues on HSPA. Callcentric is NYC based (as am I) so the latency is much better, and echo is reduced as well. My only suggestion is find a SIP server with the lowest ping / least hops.
Skype was excellent on my Nexus S, but has a lot of issues on my N4, so I scrapped it.

For those of you who want the best quality out of your $30 smartphone plan, I made a 12-part video tutorial showing how to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9DzN1Pu6-Q&list=PLE_de-PBwrTSUMm-Y48aiOOHt_YyT69t0
It's much better than GrooveIP, Vonage, Talkatone, Pbxes.org, and everything else, especially those with the "one big green button" solution.
This method gives you HD Voice (G.722 codec), bettery battery life, and much better options for logging/blocking/recording. You can even set up hold music. Yup, I said hold music.
It used to be difficult to set up until I made it as clear as the nose on your face in the video tutorial (with actual commentary instead of techno music).
Spread the word if you do it and it works out for you. I believe everyone deserves high quality and limitless VoIP WiFi/4g calling.

HowDoIVoIP said:
For those of you who want the best quality out of your $30 smartphone plan, I made a 12-part video tutorial showing how to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9DzN1Pu6-Q&list=PLE_de-PBwrTSUMm-Y48aiOOHt_YyT69t0
It's much better than GrooveIP, Vonage, Talkatone, Pbxes.org, and everything else, especially those with the "one big green button" solution.
This method gives you HD Voice (G.722 codec), bettery battery life, and much better options for logging/blocking/recording. You can even set up hold music. Yup, I said hold music.
It used to be difficult to set up until I made it as clear as the nose on your face in the video tutorial (with actual commentary instead of techno music).
Spread the word if you do it and it works out for you. I believe everyone deserves high quality and limitless VoIP WiFi/4g calling.
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I did this method....works very good except for an echo....
I fixed the echo(over 3g) on the nEXUS 4 doing this:
Csimple has an option to enable software control or volume instead of the android OS/hardware.....enable it...I suspect that fixed it combined with the following:
Echo cancellation(never worked until ti checked the above....works great now) in Csimple.
Faux kernel or something compatible with his software for fixing audio gain.
Faux sounds and Faux speakers app. I chose the quality preset plus my own sleight modifications and also the voice setting for speakers.
Echo was annihilated.....I also tried voice audio detection but I didn't like it...

I posted this in the PIAF thread since I used that method but this will help you guys as well.
Nexus 4 SIP echo fix - It's pretty bad for many users but this solved it 100% for me
It worked for me and I tested numerous different setting and configurations along with measuring my latency to ensure it works. YMMV but it's easy to try. At first I thought it was a Latency issue since echo didn't occur over wifi but with ping times lower than 60ms I still got echo over 3g without this method.
I'm using the silk codec(Silk 24 wifi/Silk 12 or 16 over 3g/4g); YMMV with other codecs.
*Before starting*
Root your phone, flash radio .27 or .33 if your on T-mobile or in Canada: We want to enable Nexus 4g! 3g is usually fine but 4g tends to have significantly lower latency(3G: 50-70ms versus 4g: 20-40ms). Sometimes my 3g speed was fine but latency sucks(100-250+ms)....3g has enough speed for VoIP but any latency issues/spikes/jumps will ruin a call.
This is a good guide to follow: Hippowise"s guide
For the first few steps plus a audio fix some users encountered with the radio downgrade; there are 2 scripts you can run via any terminal emulator app scripter(I used this $Scripter). The actual Script to be run can be found on XDA in the nexus 4 LTE thread(download or save them as txt files). The XML file I suggest editing your self(I just replaced all instances of epc.t-mobile with fast.t-mobile for T-mo users).
If said "scripting...wut?" just follow Hippowise's guide to the tee. Scripting is just faster/easier.
It took a few days for my 4g/LTE to kick in so be patient; It's worth the trouble!
**Now to the guide**
First, get the Faux kernel for Nexus 4 or use another kernel that has applied his patch.
2nd, get his apps from the Play store(they cost money but worth it): Faux Speakers and Faux Sound: Configure them for "voice" and "quality" respectively(you can adjust on your own from there, I upped the gain a bit).
3rd, Use Csipsimple and enable "Software volume control" instead of the default android/os/hardware based volume/gain control. I wonder if this bypasses Faux and puts volume control solely in the hands of Csipsimple. I would do 1-3 steps anyway because it fixes the SQ issues in general with the nexus 4.
4th. Enable Echo cancellation; until I did the previous steps, echo cancelation didn't work at all: YMMV.
I choose Echo mode Webrtc becuase Speex echo cancellation didn't work for me. If your codecs are different the other choices or auto might work better. Experiement.
5th: *Optional*
Noise Cancelation: Worked so-so....didn't need so I turned off
Voice Detection: I didn't like it but experiement.
Compact SIP packets: I use it, optional
STUN: I turned it on, I don't think it will hurt.
Audio troubleshooting in the Csip menu has tons of options to mess with. If all else fails, read some guides and experiment. I didn't need to chance anything here but some of it looks promising and has some fixes for specific models like the galaxy.
7th: Latency
Get Speedtest app from the play store and test your speed. In some areas over 3g I would get decent down/up speeds but godawful latency (300ms+ ). If your 3g latency consistently sucks, do the 4g fix for the nexus; Much better latency and I always get 4g in most places on T-mobile.....rural areas might be screwed on getting 4g although I noticed my 3g speeds increased overall after the fix.
8th
Finished; report back in the thread and tell me if it helped!! And if anybody knows a good I.T. position open for a VoIP office/callcenter; let me know cause I'm quitting mine.

Sorry for my ignorance. But all those SIP methods fix all VoIP calls? (Viber, Facebook Messenger, etc).
I just want to fix the terrible echo I am exporting to others Viber users.
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thesebastian said:
Sorry for my ignorance. But all those SIP methods fix all VoIP calls? (Viber, Facebook Messenger, etc).
I just want to fix the terrible echo I am exporting to others Viber users.
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Seems fixed, at least, from the N4's end.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42978#c16

raz123 said:
Seems fixed, at least, from the N4's end.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42978#c16
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Nope. Tried to use it on fongo but it didn't work.
Update. Fongo released a new beta today and it seems like the echo problem is gone...
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I tried different voip apps including built-in voip client with CM 10.2. Best sound quality and no echos I've got with CSipSimple with echo reduction enabled.

swimma said:
I tried different voip apps including built-in voip client with CM 10.2. Best sound quality and no echos I've got with CSipSimple with echo reduction enabled.
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Which cm 10.2 build are you on

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Make/Rcv Phone Calls Sipdroid including video conferencing

I dont know if you guys already know this but if you are kind of annoyed by switching or waiting around for the firmware to have phone enabled. You can tried this anyway:
1. sign up for google voice if you haven't already, install apk
2. dl sipdroid from the market.
3. create an account and allow it associate with gv.
4. follow this guide
http://ifdefined.com/blog/post/How-...ee-calls-over-the-internet-using-Android.aspx
Note: The guide is only for receiving calls .
when you start the guide you should see GTALK under Trunk, / under inbound, 0 GTalk under outbound. You need this for out going calls.
if ipkalls says you already signed up that means someone already used your ISP ip address.
once you are done you should be able to make and receive calls with 3/4G or wifi...edge is kind of crappy
BTW, you can disable it under settings calls Call Screening and toggle off and confirm...so you dont have to dial 1 anymore just pick up the phone and use you BT headset.
enable 3g in sipdroid settings and now you have a phone
This also works on other tabs as well. I tested it on Galaxy Tab Tmobile(simple mobile), Galaxy Tab Sprint(wifi), Archos 101 (wifi), Zenithink wifi, Haipad wifi, and a Wifi'ed G1 works great.
bluetooth sucks on 3G
jarez said:
bluetooth sucks on 3G
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Actually I use bluetooth and it works just as good on 3g as wifi while driving even. Any problems with call quality are the result of a poor 3g connection, not bluetooth.
Seems like it forks with a2dp
Alternatively, you can use fring once you are done with setup. Go to add ons and add sip info.
You can uninstall gv so you dont have to have so many dailer options
jarez said:
Seems like it forks with a2dp
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Ah, Im not using an A2DP headset at the moment, but a Voyager Pro, which is working great with every phone Ive used it with.
I've tried doing a video call using sipdroid and the image was on its side. Did they update this?
From the Tab.
www.twitter.com/ayman07
The front facing camera seems bounded to portrait. I do not see any options on display it in landscape. I somehow fat fingered and got the other camera to function
BT head set Nokia BH-503 brain farts it has A2DP.
$14 PoS BT earpiece Nokia BH-104 works.
Kenwood DNX-6160 works as well.
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Bounty for Wifi Calling ??

How can we get this badboy working with wifi calling, im well aware of tmobiles IMS service and how difficult it will be ( nothings impossible with XDA ) to get Tmobiles wifi calling working on this phone .. but im sure that some people like myself really depend on it !! Socal area sucks Id be willing to put 30$ towards the bounty to get this started .. anyone else interested ?
Try putting it in 2g mode for better signal
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ac3theone said:
Try putting it in 2g mode for better signal
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It doesnt make a difference, and its a known issue in this area that all the carriers suck
alleyezondisromo said:
It doesnt make a difference, and its a known issue in this area that all the carriers suck
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I too would be willing to donate to this cause. However, I've been testing with GrooveIP over Wifi, and it works extremely well. Call quality is excellent and you can use it for incoming and outgoing calls without using your plan minutes. I'm using the $5 pro version which integrates with the native dialer, so you makes calls just like you would normally. I know this isn't the same thing as T-Mobile's Wifi calling, but it's a good solution nonetheless.
Best chances of it happening will be when opitmus g with JB is released by T-Mobile. Need system dump with rils, maybe some libs and maybe an apk will be in there. That's what we had to do with the G2 and many older devices when ICS came out. But might be a few months before u see anything. I heard rumors T-Mobile are setting up SIP support but its just rumors
I second the endorsement of GrooVe IP. I don't have my N4 yet (caught in Play Store limbo, like so many others), but in anticipation I've been testing GrooVe IP lightly on my LG G2x and have found it to be very good, with audio quality noticeably better than wifi calling.
sipdroid with a free pbxes account. disable all codecs except speex. excellent.
I really wish google would improve the native sip client...
i'm in for $30 for nexus 4 wifi calling. a lack of wifi calling is only thing holding me back from getting a nexus 4. I have zero tmobile signal inside my house.. (okay, a little at one corner, but not where my home office is.. )
I'd love to get a nexus 4.. but only if it has wifi calling.. even if it is a terrible cm7/gb2.3 hack to get it working.. Obviously, IMS calling would be best.. but as long as it works..
I use groove Ip for my wifi calling. I fwd all my calls to my phone anyway since google voice is my main number, when I get home and connect wifi, groove IP takes over and I receive calls on my phone anyway.
I haven't had any issues using this method on the nexus 4.
dellenrules said:
I use groove Ip for my wifi calling. I fwd all my calls to my phone anyway since google voice is my main number, when I get home and connect wifi, groove IP takes over and I receive calls on my phone anyway.
I haven't had any issues using this method on the nexus 4.
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Using your Nexus 4 for wifi calling with Groove ip do the people ever mention echo or dropped words? I ask that because using my tablet for such calls I can hear a little of both. I have fixed some of it via settings for Groove ip but it is still there some and I was wondering if it worked better with the phone?
It might be possible if the T-Mobile version of the LG Optimus phones with the same hardware have it. Assuming someone can hack it together, and the differences in OS aren't a show stopper.
donec said:
Using your Nexus 4 for wifi calling with Groove ip do the people ever mention echo or dropped words? I ask that because using my tablet for such calls I can hear a little of both. I have fixed some of it via settings for Groove ip but it is still there some and I was wondering if it worked better with the phone?
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My testing has mostly been by calling my other voicemail line and listening to the recording, so it's only been short segments, but I haven't detected any echoes or dropouts so far.
I've made hour long calls to landline and mobiles with absolutely no drops or issues. In fact the quality is better than what I experienced on vzw. I would say it is on par with my FiOS landline phone. It will of course depend on the quality of your WiFi connection, particularly jitter and latency.
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arvonn said:
i'm in for $30 for nexus 4 wifi calling. a lack of wifi calling is only thing holding me back from getting a nexus 4. I have zero tmobile signal inside my house.. (okay, a little at one corner, but not where my home office is.. )
I'd love to get a nexus 4.. but only if it has wifi calling.. even if it is a terrible cm7/gb2.3 hack to get it working.. Obviously, IMS calling would be best.. but as long as it works..
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try giving T-mobile a call, they might give you a cell booster
donec said:
Using your Nexus 4 for wifi calling with Groove ip do the people ever mention echo or dropped words? I ask that because using my tablet for such calls I can hear a little of both. I have fixed some of it via settings for Groove ip but it is still there some and I was wondering if it worked better with the phone?
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I had echoing when I first used it, but solved it by enabling the basic echo canceller. It send a beep when the call connects then auto magically adjust the device for echoes.
Haven't had a problem since.
dellenrules said:
I had echoing when I first used it, but solved it by enabling the basic echo canceller. It send a beep when the call connects then auto magically adjust the device for echoes.
Haven't had a problem since.
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Yes, I forgot to mention that I had enabled the basic echo canceling as well. Seems to work fine in my testing.
wmm said:
Yes, I forgot to mention that I had enabled the basic echo canceling as well. Seems to work fine in my testing.
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I didn't realize google voice costs $20 to port my number to them. PLus the $5 for GrooVe IP, I'm going to be into this for $25, but at least I should be able to use my phone in my house again.
Has anyone tried Bobsled for this?
u are not alone in this hunt... good news is... 2013 is a good year for voip.
so first off all let me just tell u, ive been hunting for a good FREE VOIP, 4 wayyy to frigging long.
but i have finally got the perfect COMBO of apps that get the job done, and might i add quite well too!
first go set up ur google voice account and get u a free number....
download google voice.... pray ur phone has had service at one point or another....and google acceepts ur phone to allow u to use google voice (google voice is a pain in the ass to get it to register sometimes)...for some reason they want only people with active service to use their service... which makes no sense at all.....but... sometimes those free texting apps that give u 10 FREE minutes calling will do it....
then go download gv+ or mo+ (same friggin thing_ same devoloper) - seems like when one is acting up i can uninstall it and download the other and it will work perfectly for about 2 months then i gota switch back to the other again... its odd...
but i can call anywhere in america for free.... no questions asked... as long as i download voice and install it also. idk
i actually use voice for all my texting and then when i wana call sum1 then i use the mo+ app. and it works flawlessly. no weird numbers, no grainy calls, no echo... its wonderful!

The Note 10.1 as a phone... not quite

My Note 2 stopped working on Friday night and wouldn't turn on. A bit of searching on here and I appear to have got me Sudden Death Syndrome - I thought that was a thing of the past. So, it's going to the service centre later but this weekend I got the chance to try my 10.1 as my only mobile device.
This is something I had given thought to anyway and I thought it would be fine. This wasn't to be the case. I found that wondering around doing normal day-to-day activities was not conducive to having a tablet with me at all times. I don't always carry a bag so a pocketable device is still important.
I gave in and bought a "disposable" £30 phone on Sunday while passing CPW (a Samsung, coincidentally, as the equiv Nokia was £10 more).
It was an interesting way to find out two devices will be required
Thanks for the blog post.
I read it and thoroughly enjoyed it.
It makes me think that you have potential in running a social blogging network, and perhaps be the boss of a profitable blogging enterprise.
Perhaps you can float on an exchange one day and we can all invest in your company.
I'm using GV (which lets me have one outgoing number on all my Telephony-capable devices) and will sometimes just use the phone (usually in Speaker mode) when I need to make a quick call. Works fine. Get a BT headset and you could get away with not having a "real" phone for a while.
try TextPlus
I downloaded it when my phone died. Worked great as a temp phone.
Same here been using gv for a while now and haven't used my phone since.. I'm thinking about getting it turned off permanently since I'm Always around wifi or a hotspot..plus I don't talk on the phone.. Just text and internet 90% of the time
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Forget the bt headset, go the bt stylus for that extra geeky look... I should know, I have one...
Hey guys. Im confused. I use gv number as my regular number. How would I use it on my 10.1? From my understanding of gv, it needs to be routed to another number or your gmail address (which I have obitalk for landline using this feature) Is there a way to use the gv app to specifically make calls via wifi on 10.1? Im using talkatone for that but its glitchy. Thanks.
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WRichieX said:
Is there a way to use the gv app to specifically make calls via wifi on 10.1?
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I couldn't tell ya- I have an 8000, which has a GSM radio in it and can get/make phone calls (and texts), so when I make an outgoing GV call, it uses the phone built into the Note (and it shows up as my GV number vs. the random number the SIM I use in it has).
I have no idea how Internet calling is done via GV (but I know some people do it).
WRichieX said:
Hey guys. Im confused. I use gv number as my regular number. How would I use it on my 10.1? From my understanding of gv, it needs to be routed to another number or your gmail address (which I have obitalk for landline using this feature) Is there a way to use the gv app to specifically make calls via wifi on 10.1? Im using talkatone for that but its glitchy. Thanks.
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The simplest option is groove ip, the progran registers to your gv account. The developer bought a note and worked diligently to address a bug created in the JB update and the program works flawlessly now. Here's a link to the thread where the developer posted a link to the updated app. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2107867&page=5
WRichieX said:
Hey guys. Im confused. I use gv number as my regular number. How would I use it on my 10.1? From my understanding of gv, it needs to be routed to another number or your gmail address (which I have obitalk for landline using this feature) Is there a way to use the gv app to specifically make calls via wifi on 10.1? Im using talkatone for that but its glitchy. Thanks.
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Use google voice app too.. It allows text messaging unlike groove ip...
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.googlevoice
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I have google voice account set up to use my cell phone number on my tablet... THen have Grove IP tou use my google voice accounts phone number.. so my cell phone number is not given out but calls are routed thru that number .. Makes call quality better.. Considering getting rid of my home phone and using google voice via grove ip for home phone service..
Anyone know a Good Internet faxing app or site that keeps my stuff MY STUFF and does not spam the fax numbers you send too.. ??
Good luck all
Workaround for UK users
If you are in the UK and are a BT customer with a landline you can use their app BT SmartTalk:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bt.voiceapps.homeaway
I have been using this on my Samsung Galaxy Camera to make calls and it works surprisingly well as long as you are in a WiFi hotspot somewhere. It's limited to outgoing calls only but it's a workaround if your mobile phone dies in some way.
You can use it on more than one device but you can only attach it to your one BT account. It's very easy to setup.
Kind of a strange thread. This is what OP originally said that started the discussion.
"...this weekend I got the chance to try my 10.1 as my only mobile device."
Assuming OP has a N8000 it is a phone. And the dialer is a multiview app so you can use the phone feature while still doing other things on the Note like jotting down notes or referencing a document without toggling between apps. Obviously, due to the Note's size, you're not going to hold it up to your ear. You can use it as a speaker phone or with a BT headset including the HM5100 BT S Pen. Used that way it's as valid as any other device as a phone and S Voice over BT is incredibly helpful. I'll sometimes forward calls and MMS from my phone to my Note so I only have to carry one device. Unlike OP, I tend to take my Note pretty much everywhere and the Book Cover case adds very little size or weight and functions well as a stand or prop for using the on-screen keyboard. I probably could use the Note as dedicated phone but a phone is a phone and a tablet is a tablet and each have strengths and weaknesses.
As for VoIP calling, the Note's no different than any other Wi-Fi enabled mobile device and all can be used with a variety of apps for voice calls and MMS. The only difference, as noted above, the Note's form factor makes it less than ideal as a primary communication device.
One advantage of the Note either in 3G form or using VoIP is its battery life compared to a phone that typically has a battery 2/3 smaller. That and the two forward facing speakers make it a great speaker phone. So in the end it all comes down to people's view on carrying something as large as the Note around to use as a communication device. Functionally it’s as good as anything else out there.
just pack a bigger purse and bluetooth .
BarryH_GEG said:
Kind of a strange thread. This is what OP originally said that started the discussion.
"...this weekend I got the chance to try my 10.1 as my only mobile device."
Assuming OP has a N8000 it is a phone. And the dialer is a multiview app so you can use the phone feature while still doing other things on the Note like jotting down notes or referencing a document without toggling between apps. Obviously, due to the Note's size, you're not going to hold it up to your ear. You can use it as a speaker phone or with a BT headset including the HM5100 BT S Pen. Used that way it's as valid as any other device as a phone and S Voice over BT is incredibly helpful. I'll sometimes forward calls and MMS from my phone to my Note so I only have to carry one device. Unlike OP, I tend to take my Note pretty much everywhere and the Book Cover case adds very little size or weight and functions well as a stand or prop for using the on-screen keyboard. I probably could use the Note as dedicated phone but a phone is a phone and a tablet is a tablet and each have strengths and weaknesses.
As for VoIP calling, the Note's no different than any other Wi-Fi enabled mobile device and all can be used with a variety of apps for voice calls and MMS. The only difference, as noted above, the Note's form factor makes it less than ideal as a primary communication device.
One advantage of the Note either in 3G form or using VoIP is its battery life compared to a phone that typically has a battery 2/3 smaller. That and the two forward facing speakers make it a great speaker phone. So in the end it all comes down to people's view on carrying something as large as the Note around to use as a communication device. Functionally it’s as good as anything else out there.
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This is so true.. use a bluetooth device and keep the tablet in my Purse.. is how i use my nexus 7 and could do the same with 10 in just pack a slightly bigger purse ..
That was sort of my point. When the N8000 is my tablet and my phone is in my pocket I don't notice. When I have to, effectively, carry the tablet everywhere not having a pocketable phone it imposes limitations on me that I wasn't aware of. Bluetooth range is well and good - I had my old Jawbone and the car handsfree kits too - but if you are just quickly popping out of the house or you want to just wander off with no baggage, literally, then the 10.1 is just too big.
90% of the time I have both devices within reach but it's that 10% that showed me that my lifestyle (for want of a better word) doesn't quite allow me to use only the 10.1 as my sole mobile device.
I am waiting for the HM-5100 to be an official UK device so the price drops and it will be cute, but my original plan to stop using the phone and use just the tablet got a very sudden reality check (for me - you are all different, of course).
Peter Galbavy said:
When I have to ... carry the tablet everywhere ...
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Wait- there's people who don't?! :cyclops:

30 dollar TMO plan - Results? Best VOIP solutions?

So, I'm sorry to add to the collection of posts concerning these two subjects, but I've read for hours and hours and not quite seen the consistent results I want.
My SIM card is on the way in the mail from TMO, and I intend to go on the 30/month unlimited text/5GB 4g data/100 minutes, and, like everyone else, want to find a way around the 100 minutes.
I've thought about: Skype, where the quality is great, but I can't get the integration. If I went this route, I'd like to have my Gvoice be the same # as my skype, so I could send/receive calls, and texts on the same number. While this might be possible, the equation goes all wrong @ MMS.
Sipdroid: I've got this all setup, but I am an IT service professional, and where I setup connections, this thing can never make it through the firewall. I don't want to go around opening up ports either. But I love the integration, and choice of codec. How is this solution overall, with Gvoice/pbxes?
GrooVe: While this was crazy easy setup (haven't purchased full version), calls are still sometimes failing to send, or occasional cut-outs even over wifi. Success here?
Basically, I'm looking for optimal reliability AND integration of setup. I'd like to send/receive calls, texts, and MMS all on the same number, and would like to have this be A.) Reliable, B.) on the 30/month plan.
Is it possible? Or am I better off going with a third party like Straight Talk, having my bandwidth policies be Unclear at best, and pay the extra 15?
Thanks, sorry for rambling.
Ok so I did the groove route and it works okay. Like you said it's not very good though. So I use this as a last resort if I'm low on minutes (rarely) and within WiFi range, but not at home.
So when at home, which is where I make most phone calls at, is use this device below. It logs into Google voice and uses the gmail calling like grove ip, except it doesn't sound like crap like groove. No one has complained like I had frequently got when I used groove. You just plug any regular home phone into it after setup and it just works.
OBi100 VoIP Telephone Adapter and Voice Service Bridge
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004LO098O/ref=cm_sw_r_an_am_ap_am_us?ie=UTF8
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You could try straight talk or use something like sip droid to avoid the minute cap.
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I went the amazon pbiaf way with the silk codec. Everything working perfectly.
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Callcentric using the stock dialer works pretty good for me. Its not completely free (2c/min) but good enough for me and I like being able integrate it into the stock dialer
PBIAF
Warbuff said:
I went the amazon pbiaf way with the silk codec. Everything working perfectly.
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How has this worked over the mobile network?
on 3g? Edge possible?
I started to do the Amazon PBIAF method, but got mixed up at the terminal step and cancelled. Was kind of in a hurry and didn't sit down with it long.
My biggest issue was that today, traveling outside of my major city (Grand Rapids, MI), I roamed for nearly a half hour. Where I get no data. Even PBIAF is down the toilet there. Starting to look into other options. May have been too good to be true.
Did you know the Nexus 4 has a built in SIP client? I have been using it since the Nexus S was on 2.3.1 and it works great on WiFi. It has the least echo, native dialer, working bluetooth, screen unlock to answer. I have never had to open any ports on my firewall (DD-WRT) for it to work. I use it with SIP Sorcery connected to Sipgate and Google Voice. Just open dialer > settings and at the bottom "internet Call Settings"
Only issue is no audio on T-Mobile
I rarely leave nyc. So my experience in low areas is limited. Is been great using the silk codec everything is clear. The problem is with the mic on the Nexus 4. It's too sensitive making calls for the recipient sound terrible. To solve this I just use headphones with a built in mic.
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How has this worked over the mobile network?
on 3g? Edge possible?
I started to do the Amazon PBIAF method, but got mixed up at the terminal step and cancelled. Was kind of in a hurry and didn't sit down with it long.
My biggest issue was that today, traveling outside of my major city (Grand Rapids, MI), I roamed for nearly a half hour. Where I get no data. Even PBIAF is down the toilet there. Starting to look into other options. May have been too good to be true.
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Did you know the Nexus 4 has a built in SIP client? I have been using it since the Nexus S was on 2.3.1 and it works great on WiFi. It has the least echo, native dialer, working bluetooth, screen unlock to answer. I have never had to open any ports on my firewall (DD-WRT) for it to work. I use it with SIP Sorcery connected to Sipgate and Google Voice. Just open dialer > settings and at the bottom "internet Call Settings"
Only issue is no audio on T-Mobile
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Umm any ideas what codecs that supports?
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Fixed verizon call quality

I have fixed the issue after numerous calls to LG and Verizon wireless. I am so disappointed with both companies. The vocoder software is faulty. from dialpad press ##PROGRAM980 and SEND to place call, the service code is 000000 then you goto Voice SO select each tab and change from Wild Card to 13 QCELP. Restart phone and its fixed
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I have fixed the issue after numerous calls to LG and Verizon wireless. I am so disappointed with both companies. The vocoder software is faulty. from dialpad press ##PROGRAM980 and SEND to place call, the service code is 000000 then you goto Voice SO select each tab and change from Wild Card to 13 QCELP. Restart phone and its fixed
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Just did this and work perfectly now! It was the only thing bothering me about this phone. Thank you!
Cool. What exactly does this fix? I haven't noticed call issues. I changed it anyway. Does this improve call quality or what?
What is voice so?
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Cool. What exactly does this fix? I haven't noticed call issues. I changed it anyway. Does this improve call quality or what?
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according to my gf i sound as thou i'm sick. others have told me too. apperantly my gnex had way better sound quality cus i never that before switching to the G2.
Just tried this. Anxious to see if this makes a difference.
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Just tried this. Anxious to see if this makes a difference.
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Same here
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Wildcard lets it switch between voice codecs. QCELP 13 is the old 13Kbs voice codec replaced with EVRC which was replaced with SMV inn turn replaced with CDMA2000 for 4G networks(4GV successor of 3GGP2 type[Qcelp-SMV] codecs). 4GV is dynamically prioritized per network. EVRC-B is half and quartet speed. We do not have any later options, just QCELP and EVRC. QCELP is uncompressed 13Kbs, EVRC 8 is compressed with but with higher quality codec at 8Kbs. Default is EVRC8 home and roaming, page is wildcard to auto select best for the particular network. The only thing it may fix is using a tower that is overloaded with bad compression. Note that forcing the specification can cause more overload to the 3G signal, in turn, just making things worse for everyone. If I'm not mistaken, the way towers and plans are set up, a 4GV codec would cause using voice com to eat into data plan. I do not think most carriers are set up to sniff the data type to determine if it is indeed voice data, hence we don't have awesome voice quality that we are more than capable of having. Hope this helps.
I dont have Voice So in my menu.
It says Verizon Hidden menu
Field Tests
Device Security
W2bi testing
CMAS test message
Am I looking somewhere wrong?
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I dont have Voice So in my menu.
It says Verizon Hidden menu
Field Tests
Device Security
W2bi testing
CMAS test message
Am I looking somewhere wrong?
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Select Field Tests....Voice SO is under there.
Does it still work when on 3g connection?
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It will. We have no 4G codecs. Unless you have problem with the default codec on your towers, this will not help, only hinder quality. I have no issues with default codec or quality at and around my location. Baltimore to D.C..
When I tried this the settings didn't survive a reboot.
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Mine stuck even after a reboot
I tried this on mine (Malladus) and wife's (stock), both (..phones) are fine after reboots and all.
Just can't yet confirm any differences.
QCELP-13 worked perfectly
EVRC 8k gave me some of the digital clipping type noise
EVRC-B works good and has minimal clipping
So the QCELP seemed to worked best over all.
Also, no issues with the settings surviving a reboot.
I'm test-driving this, too. Somebody at Android Central forum reported a possible impact on battery life. Anybody seeing anything like that?
this worked for me. The call quality still isn't the best but I am not getting that annoying noise anymore.
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I'm test-driving this, too. Somebody at Android Central forum reported a possible impact on battery life. Anybody seeing anything like that?
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I definitely have seen a sizable increase in nlpWakelock since I made this change but I didn't think it could be related... Could it be?
Just tried this on my Verizon device, sound is much improved.
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