Many of us are eagerly awaiting to get their new HTC One and are excited about how HTC's beefiest phone ever will perform. Still in love with my faithful companion, my HD2, this finally is the phone that seems a proper successor. Connecting current gen phones to the TV to enjoy video, images and casual games on a big screen is a nice feature and certainly not missing on the new One. However, since implementations of how phones connect to TVs do vary between phone vendors, it is generally hard to find comprehensive information about that. So I walked the extra mile and tried to figure out where the new HTC One stands and what TV screen performance we can expect from that shiny device. As you can see in the pictures below, it seems that the HTC One does not really stand out from the crowd when it comes to MHL because it appears that it still uses the (older) first generation MHL chip by Silicon Image which caps it to 30Hz refresh rates and lower charging current. I thought (read: I was hoping) that HTC announced that the One will have MHL 2.0. Sammy's plastic brick #4 will have it.
The best image I could find so far (second attachment) shows the Silicon Image MHL transmitter chip at the One's logic board. (Image courtesy by ChipWorks http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recentteardowns/2013/03/28/inside-the-htc-one/)
Unfortunately the imprint is not clear and there is some glue left on it that makes it hard to read. To me, it reads as:
8244B0
PW?433B
OL2242
(Red represents clearly readable characters)
If you take that information (SiI*2*4) and compare it with the ICs that Silicon Image lists on its website, the only chip that matches the recognized characters is "SiI9244 - MHL 1.0 transmitter with HDMI input". That chip was already used in the HTC One X a year ago (see bottom picture), so no innovations here.
SiI9022 HDMI 1.4a transmitter with 24-bit RGB input
SiI9024 HDMI 1.4a transmitter with 24-bit RGB input and integrated HDCP support
SiI8558 MHL 2.0 transmitter with integrated 4-to-1 multi-media switch
SiI8246 MHL 2.0 Transmitter
SiI8240 MHL 2.0 transmitter with HDMI input
SiI9232 MHL 1.0 transmitter with RGB input and integrated HDCP support
SiI9244 MHL 1.0 transmitter with HDMI input
SiI8332 MHL 1.0 transmitter with MIPI DSI input, integrated HDCP support, and integrated switch
SiI8334 MHL 1.0 transmitter with HDMI input and integrated switch
SiI8336 MHL 1.0 transmitter with MIPI DSI input and integrated switch
SiI8338 MHL 1.0 transmitter with digital RGB input and integrated switch
SiI8352 MHL 1.0 transmitter with integrated HD scaler and digital RGB input
SiI8356 MHL 1.0 transmitter with integrated HD scaler and MIPI DSI input
(Source: http://www.siliconimage.com/solutions/mobile/)
For comparison, the same MHL transmitter chip in the HTC One X is shown in the attached picture #1.
(Image courtesy by Tech Republic, http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-one-x/6363151?seq=53&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto)
If you look up the chip's specs, you will find out that it supports:
HDMI 1.3
MHL output resolution support - from 25 MHz – 75 MHz, up to [email protected] 24/30 Hz
Silicon Image announced the second generation MHL chips SiI8240, SiI8246 and SiI8558 back in May 2012. Their new features include faster charging (up to 900mA to 500mA on the MHL 1.0 chips), doubled output framerate, which is 60Hz @ 1080p and 3D formats. At least the former two would have been great to have on the new HTC One since it should have enough oomph to provide a full 1080p60 experience. With the older generation chip we are pretty much limited to 30Hz. Most TV sets may fall back to 24Hz or recognize it as 1080i mode. This will probably make things get slightly choppy and laggy if viewed on a TV screen. Bummer to me but not a deal breaker per say. I am curious how others think about that!
What is your experience with MHL? Want to share your experiences using 24/30Hz MHL on your previous MHL 1.0-enabled devices?
Some resources on this topic:
http://www.siliconimage.com/solutions/mobile/
http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...-d71de927a716/SIMG_News_2012_5_15_General.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2204218
very informative & detailed.
Thanks a lot for the clear cut info.
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I just wanted to post this information and link so people are clear about the A500's specifications, in case there are any questions. It's silly that Acer doesn't include this somewhere on their product information page - it's buried in their support documents for now.
Hope you find it useful.
http://bit.ly/kn9QRv
What's in blue is directly from Acer's support website, sourced at the link above and directly copied from the pdf manual, also sourced on Acer's website.
Following are the specifications for the Acer ICONIA Tab A500 series.
Specifications are subject to change without notice or obligation.
Feature Specification
Form Factor 10.1" Tablet
CPU Tegra 250 Dual cortex A9, 1GHz
Ultra Low Power GeForce® GPU
Memory RAM: LP DDR2 1GB
eMMC: 16GB or 32GB (varies by model)
LCM 10.1” WXGA , 262K LCM (1280*800 AUO)
Wide view angle
LVDS interface
Network 3G (with GPS/AGPS) (on select models)
802.11 b/g/n WiFi (802.11n 2.4GHz only)
GPS / A-GPS GPS is supported on WiFi and 3G models
A-GPS is supported only on 3G models
Camera Main camera: 5M Camera with Auto focus
with flash lights ( single LED)
Second camera : 2M FF
Connectivity Bluetooth® 2.1+EDR
Micro USB 2.0 type B for Client
USB 2.0 Host
Input Capacitive Multi-Touch Screen (Real 4 touch , up to 10)
Function buttons
Side (mechanical key):
Volume Up, Volume Down, screen lock
Power :with back light-white/orange
Sensors
G-Sensor
E-Compass
L Sensor
Gyro-meter
Output HDMI D-type (support Dual Display)
Audio Dual analog Microphone (Beam-forming, Noise /echo cancellation )
Dual Speaker
3.5mm Audio Jack 4ring ( with Mic)
Dolby mobile
Operating System Android Honeycomb
Dimensions 260 (L) x 177 (W) x 13.3 (H) mm
Weight WIFI SKU <765g
3G SKU <777g
Expansion Slot MicroSD memory card up to 32G (SDHC 2.0 compatible)
Battery Rechargeable Lithium-ion polymer battery
Capacity: 24.1W (3260mAh cell , 2S1P)
AC Adapter Voltage range/frequency: 100 ~ 240V AC, 50/60 Hz
DC output: 12V and 1.5 A, 18W
Green Requirements Rohs compliance
WEEE compliance
Hologen free, at least PVC free
SMT Green process
Optional Accessory Micro SD Card
HDMI Cable
Pouch
Dock with IR remote control
Audio recording AAC-LC, AMR-WB
Audio playback AAC-LC, AAC, AAC+ (Not raw AAC), AMR-NB, AMR-WB, MP3,
OGG Vorbis, WAV
Video recording H.264 BP, MPEG-4 SP, H.263
Video playback H.264 BP, H.264 MP, H.264 HP, MPEG-4 SP, H.263
I'll keep adding tidbits to this thread with info I notice people asking about.
Gorilla glass?
jcaf77 said:
Gorilla glass?
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http://bit.ly/k8gkew
Possibly. Yes, according to Corning's GG website.
Neoprimal said:
http://bit.ly/k8gkew
Possibly. Yes, according to Corning's GG website.
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The Iconia referred to on Corning's website is the dual screen laptop that was released recently, not the Tab.
Also, a couple of reviews stated that the A500 has DDR3 memory, not DDR2. Weird.
silencer51 said:
The Iconia referred to on Corning's website is the dual screen laptop that was released recently, not the Tab.
Also, a couple of reviews stated that the A500 has DDR3 memory, not DDR2. Weird.
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Did you hit the link? According to Corning it's the Iconia Tab A500. But as I mentioned, it could be wrong.
I never quote reviews as fact because 9/10 times they get a spec or 2 incorrect.
The question I have is that the model I bought from Best Buy says it is the A501 and the SKU says 3G... Is this just a mistake in the softwae version or could I be lucky and the 3G modem is there and I'm just missing the proper kernel and source to activate it?
Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App
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The question I have is that the model I bought from Best Buy says it is the A501 and the SKU says 3G... Is this just a mistake in the softwae version or could I be lucky and the 3G modem is there and I'm just missing the proper kernel and source to activate it?
Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App
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Check the box itself for the actual model number. My software version says A500-501 and 3G as well, I think that's because the same software is going on both models, thus us Wifi only model's seeing Cell Standby in the software.
If the box says Model A501 however, then you may be lucky though I have no idea how or who you'd activate it with since the Iconia A501 hasn't been released to any carrier afaik. ATT is supposed to get them this summer from what I remember reading.
L Sensor
what is L sensor mentioned in the spec ?
yogb21 said:
what is L sensor mentioned in the spec ?
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Only a guess but I think it's Light.
silencer51 said:
The Iconia referred to on Corning's website is the dual screen laptop that was released recently, not the Tab.
Also, a couple of reviews stated that the A500 has DDR3 memory, not DDR2. Weird.
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Acer: Aspire 5943G, Aspire 8943G, ICONIA TAB A500, ICONIA TAB W500, ICONIA Touchbook
Clearly states its the Tab
can someone please settle the debate whether the a500 has ddr-2 or ddr-3?
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can someone please settle the debate whether the a500 has ddr-2 or ddr-3?
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Tegra-2 doesn't support DDR3, so there's no debate!
Regards,
Dave
Does anyone know if the adapter will have OTG usb host capibilities like the XOOM?? i want to preorder today but have been waiting for this before i do.
otherwise looks like the xoom
did some extra external searching and found two sites which claim it will be availible with the adapter (upcoming) here are specs listed
Key highlights of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
Android 3.0 (Honeycomb)
1GHz Dual Core application processor
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n
10.1-inch TFT/ 1280 x 800 pixels
Main(Rear): 3.0-Mega Pixel Camera AF with LED Flash / Front: 2.0-Mega Pixel Camera
1080p FullHD Video @ 24fps
Samsung Hub (Social, Readers, Game, Music) & USB OTG (Upcoming)
16GB/32GB/64GB
7000mAh battery
560g (Wi-Fi)/565g (3G)
256.7 x 175.3 x 8.6mm
Available in June/july 2011
It will have USB adapter.
A first look at the accessories, start at 1:55. Even a case with a bluetooth keyboard:
http://youtu.be/vY04yvy_Aaw
I just saw some guys mentioned that they are not sure hdmi or mhl functionality of note 3 and few people discussion MHL/ hdmi output. I write this to told you all who cares HDMI output of note 3. I am sure to tell that note 3 support MHL, which is is an industry standard for a mobile audio/video interface that allows consumers to connect mobile phones, tablets and other portable consumer electronics (CE) devices to high-definition televisions (HDTVs) and audio receivers. (here is the official link , shows that note 3 support MHL).
Therefore, if you guys who want to display note 3 via the MHL port of note 3 to a HDTV screen, all you need is a MHL to HDMI converter.
And also, found a video guide for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjUJN10m_Q
Any questions on MHL or HDMI, please give your feedback here. I am ready to help.
I can't get MHL cable to work through HDMI on TV.
I am using this cable. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I am using the 11 pin adapter. The cable works with my galaxy s3 but not note 3. I read it could be a kit kat issue. I am running MOAR_S5_Port v5 10-26-14. http://forum.xda-developers.com/note...5port-t2836713
Anyone else have this problem?
Last week I had a opportunity to review media player Zidoo X6 Pro and today I am very glad that I have new player Zidoo X9. Although this model is not newest model it has huge attention for many people today.This model has high build quality because it has powerful hardware, many useful features with main features support for HDMI IN 1080P record (PVR) and USB 3.0.
Unboxing
In the package you will get Zidoo X9 and also you will get remote control, DC charger, HDMI cable and short user manual.
Desing and build
The Zidoo X9 looks PRO than other Android media players because it is completely made of metal. It has HDMI in and HDMI out ports, HDMI in port is for PVR, LAN port and TF card port,also it has 3 USB ports and one of them is USB 3.0.
Performance strong benchmark testing
You can see that the Zidoo X9 has a strong hardware like quad core CPU Mstar MSO9180D1R and GPU Mali-450. It has also 2 GB of RAM and 8 GB storage space which you can upgrade with microSD card up to 32GB. I was watching movies, than I was playing games like GTA. During use everything worked very good without lags. Benchmark scores for Zidoo X9 you can see below.
Software
X9 has Android 4.4.2 which is additionally costumised by Zidoo, that means it has their user interface. The operation system already have KODI and other similar apps. During use there was no problems with OS because it is fast and fluid. I hope only that there will be soon available update to Android 5.0 or maybe 6.0.
KODI
Zidoo X9 HDMI Recording
It is the most important feature of this media player. You can simply connect it to your PC or to any other devices like Xbox 360 with HDMI cable. You can choose desired output file type like MP4 or TS and recording quality and recording duration. After that you will be ready to record,so it has many possible settings in app and everything is working. I think this is helpful for gamers and for Youtube users.
Connectivity
The Zidoo X9 media player has all what you need, with main feature HDMI in port for PVR function and also USB 3.0. You can have stronger Wi-Fi connectivity because it has two external antennas. It has LAN port, 2 USB2.0 ports, micro SD port and USB3.0 port.
Conclusion
Android media player Zidoo X9 is high quality product. It has strong hardware with many features
like HDMI in 1080P, USB3.0, two external Wi-Fi antennas. The price is affordable and it is around $120. If you want more information then you can visit the official website.
So it seems that now, 7 years after the Xperia Play, that gaming phones are starting to really become a thing. Razer released a "gaming" phone with a super fast display. Motorola released a gamepad mod for the Z line. There have also been a couple others like the Nubia Red Magic and Xiaomi Black Shark, but only the Black Shark has attempted to add any gaming controls to a "gaming" phone, and it was basic at best. Now Asus is jumping into the game and they have the most powerful phone yet!
ROG Phone Specs:
Processor:
Exclusive 2.96GHz octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 Mobile Platform
GPU:
Qualcomm Adreno 630
Display:
6.0“ 18:9 (2160x1080) AMOLED
90Hz refresh rate with 1ms pixel response time
108.6% DCI-P3 color gamut and 10000:1 contrast ratio
10-point multi-touch (supports Glove Touch)
Discrete image processing chip supports HDR
Memory:
LPDDR4X 8GB RAM
Storage:
UFS 2.1, 128GB / 512GB
Sensors:
Accelerometer, e-compass, proximity sensor, Hall sensor, ambient-light sensor, fingerprint sensor, gyroscope, 2 x ultrasonic AirTriggers
Wireless:
802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ad 2x2 MIMO
Wi-Fi Direct and WiGig 802.11ad wireless display support
Bluetooth 5.0 and NFC
GPS:
Supports GPS, aGPS, Glonass, BeiDou
Side I/O:
Custom USB-C supports USB 3.1 Gen 1, DP 1.4, fast charging (15W)
ASUS HyperCharge direct charging
Bottom I/O:
USB-C supports USB 2.0, fast charging (20W), Direct Charge
3.5mm headphone jack
Cameras:
Main: 12MP + 8MP (120° wide-angle)
Front: 8MP
Audio:
Dual front-facing stereo speakers with smart amplifier
24-bit/192KHz Hi-Res Audio
DTS Headphone:X 7.1 virtual surround-sound
Qualcomm aptX High-definition Bluetooth® wireless audio
Battery:
4,000mAh
Dimensions:
158.8 x 76.2 x 8.6mm
Weight:
200g
Water resistance:
IP68
But not only are the specs high, but it's also set to have a slew of accessories. The main one being a GameVice to give it full gamepad controls. There's a TV mirroring accessory and a desktop dock. There's also a sort of dual-screen handheld accessory, but that will require developer support to take off. There's even a fan cooler accessory. Plus the phone itself has a couple of touch buttons on the edges that can be mapped to work as virtual buttons. All things considered, this looks like the most interesting of the "gaming" phones thus far and potentially a spiritual successor for the Xperia Play, even if the gamepad isn't integrated.
XDA Links:
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-rog-phone-gaming-phone-announced/
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-rog-phone-forums-open/
External Links:
https://rog.asus.com/articles/smartphones/announcing-the-rog-phone-changing-the-game-for-mobile/
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17424144/asus-rog-phone-gaming-android-specs-modular-computex-2018
Im really hype for this one. ROG phone will be my next gaming device after Nokia N-Gage QD and Sony Ericsson Xperia PLAY
ok nice and all but still lacks integrated gamepad if i have to carry 2 devices anyway i´ll take my phone and my 3ds..sorry asus, nice try
I see all the other accessories, but the only one I want is the controller. Not the two screens, or the dock, or the tv mirroring...but that controller that grips from the sides horizontally. It's awesome!!!
I agree with your assessment OP, this was the first phone I really saw as a successor to the xperia play. Such a shame it has taken this long.
The thing about the GameVice gamepad is that it's been around for awhile for both iPhone and Galaxy phones. This is the first "gaming" phone to use it, but not the first phone. So if that's all you're looking for, you could get an older model for a much more popular (and at this point, affordable) phone.
While I would love to see another integrated gamepad, I don't feel like that's going to realistically happen. I think some sort of accessory dock or case will be the way it goes. As long as the gamepad portion is easily portable and pocketable, I'm okay with it.
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Unless you live in China where Snail still releases gaming phones with gamepads from iReadyGo. There's another that came out last year:
http://www.snail.com/en/moqi.html
MechaBouncer said:
The thing about the GameVice gamepad is that it's been around for awhile for both iPhone and Galaxy phones. This is the first "gaming" phone to use it, but not the first phone. So if that's all you're looking for, you could get an older model for a much more popular (and at this point, affordable) phone.
While I would love to see another integrated gamepad, I don't feel like that's going to realistically happen. I think some sort of accessory dock or case will be the way it goes. As long as the gamepad portion is easily portable and pocketable, I'm okay with it.
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Unless you live in China where Snail still releases gaming phones with gamepads from iReadyGo. There's another that came out last year:
http://www.snail.com/en/moqi.html
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Hmm. All I had seen prior was iphone lightning port connected controllers. Thanks for putting that on my radar!
While shopping around it appeared that in searching for a one-fits-all solution there weren't hardwired controllers for android.