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I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
Where you running a custom rom on your G-tablet? That would explain its stability and speed.
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Gtab runs froyo and a lower resolution. But has same processor. That explains the performance difference. HC is still new and is not optimized fully yet. At this point you're a early adopter and will deal with bugs and performance issues.
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I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
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What was your opinion on the screen difference? 2.2 on a Tegra2 is like running XP on an i5.
If it's any consolation I have no problems with lag in general and SpeedX runs super. I only get a momentary delay here and there in certain apps, not worth complaining about.
I just got my Xoom on Friday and I am Very, Very impressed with the Speed and Smoothness of the device. I use Dolphin HD as my Browser and it runs just fine. No lag and pages load rather quickly (even while Wirelessly Tethered to my Rooted HTC EVO). I returned the iPad 2 I had and exchanged for the Xoom and have Zero regrets. While the iPad 2 is nice, to me it's just a blown up iPod Touch (I have a 32gb iPod Touch 3rd Gen) so I would know. The Xoom is an Amazing Tablet. I put 3 Blu-Ray movies on my Xoom already (Toy Story 3, MegaMind and Kung-Fu Panda) so the kids can watch movies while we are out and about. As far as Apps go, I have found plenty of Apps for the Xoom and they all look fine to me.
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I just got my Xoom on Friday and I am Very, Very impressed with the Speed and Smoothness of the device. I use Dolphin HD as my Browser and it runs just fine. No lag and pages load rather quickly (even while Wirelessly Tethered to my Rooted HTC EVO). I returned the iPad 2 I had and exchanged for the Xoom and have Zero regrets. While the iPad 2 is nice, to me it's just a blown up iPod Touch (I have a 32gb iPod Touch 3rd Gen) so I would know. The Xoom is an Amazing Tablet. I put 3 Blu-Ray movies on my Xoom already (Toy Story 3, MegaMind and Kung-Fu Panda) so the kids can watch movies while we are out and about. As far as Apps go, I have found plenty of Apps for the Xoom and they all look fine to me.
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Returned it? You should have sold it -- could have easily made a hundred bucks on it, or more.
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I'm having to return my gtablet because there is an issue with the sound and the battery. I bought it from someone on ebay so I can't get a replacement. I have to say apart from the sound going out for no reason whatsoever the gtablet was amazing. So fast and responsive. I played with the xoom today which I preordered from amazon. And I really love honeycomb's interface and that the buttons are on the screen but I can't say I'm at all impressed with the performance. I used the browser and it was so slow and laggy and wouldn't respond to my touches half the time. And I made sure to use the task manager to kill all other apps. Also the flash video performance was sub par compared to the gtablet.
Then I downloaded speedx 3d free and it ran no better that it does on my nexus one. Whereas on my gtablet it runs so buttery smooth at 60 fps. The xoom that I was playing with at best buy was on the newest update. I hope these r just software issues with honeycomb that get ironed out soon but I don't feel to confident for some reason. Something tells me I'm not going to see the kind of raw performance like I did with the gtablet, as nice as honeycomb is.
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I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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So let me ask a semi-evil question. You have enough money to buy either a WiFi Xoom or another G-TAB. Which would you get?
Add one more condition, whatever I get I will be "handing down" to someone in November as I plan to get a KalEl tablet when those come out about then (KalEl being the quad-core Tegra that nVidia has begun demoing)?
Thanks in advance!
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If those were the only two options, then a Xoom hands down. It's got a lot of problems (ie. missing microSD support, speed lag at the moment etc.) but it has a MUCH better screen and that is absolutely critical to me.
The reason why I write "the only options" is that I might consider a Tegra 2 IPS device, when they get released. Whenever that happens (maybe in a month?). As for KalEl, that's in the late summer / fall so it's really not on the radar, yet.
I think the Xoom Wifi $600 (or less?) option should be a decent product, especially once they shake out the bugs in Honeycomb.
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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I Think the Quad is supposed to be 5x Faster than the Dual. and that the GPU has 16 cores or somin. The Newer Tegra Nvidia chips Blow away the last.
You should have really not use task manager and kill apps. Because most of them will restart after being killed. So all the apps start at once will cause the gpu generates lots of power and the os may get unresponsive and laggy. So get rid of that damn task manager.
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X 2. Im running your tnt lite rom on my gtab and it seems to run a lot quicker overall v. My xoom. Too bad you cant improve the atrocious viewing angles on the gtab tho
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Returned it? You should have sold it -- could have easily made a hundred bucks on it, or more.
I've seen the same thing - not just in Quadrant / Nenamark but just with the naked eye. My guess is that it's either the higher resolution of the Xoom screen, or perhaps the HC Nvidia drivers are not that mature yet. Either way, the GTablet (and the Adam) seems speedier, overall.
The Xoom TFT screen is definitely better than the GTAB, however.
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Other than multi-tasking will the Quad core run any better than the Duo?
I have read that there is little difference between the i5 and i7 except for apps that specifically talk to the extra cores!
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Java programs will immediately take advantage of all 4 cores since Java is naturally multithreaded.
Until these benchmarking apps are updated to take advantage of OpenGL 2.0 you're not going to see high scores on any Honeycomb tablet.
Well, I had considered the iPad 2, but I am trying to get away from supporting iOS at home. Particularly as ugly as the upgrade for the original iPad to the latest update went.
I would like to get something now since I believe the Tegra 2 IPS tablets you're referring to are likely to be more of a July timeframe, and will likely be quickly passed over by the KalEl chips.
For the person asking if the additional cores will make much difference - the current Tegra 2 is most comparable to an Intel Atom. And the programs and video performance on these tablets pretty much match that.
The KalEl is supposed to actually exceed Core 2 Duo speeds and capabilities. So in that sense we are talking about going from essentially a netbook to essentially a notebook in terms of performance. Heck that is why there are rumors of an iPad 3 in that same timeframe. Because once that generation of chips come out it is going to be a very open question whether you need anything more than a tablet and a bluetooth keyboard for anything that requires less than a true desktop experience.
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how much do you think these newer tablets will cost? same 600 dollar price range? I'd probably want to sell my wifi xoom and then buy a newer model rather than wait that long.
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how much do you think these newer tablets will cost? same 600 dollar price range? I'd probably want to sell my wifi xoom and then buy a newer model rather than wait that long.
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If you're talking the KalEl equipped tablets, I presume they will be in about the same range, with the current tablets discounted a little similar to what Apple did with the first generation iPads. That said, I expect there to be just limited availability over the holiday season with probably only one or two manufacturers shipping by Thanksgiving.
Of course there are already some component shortages due to the Japanese earthquake. One area where Apple has an advantage since they have pre-ourchased a lot of their supplies. So while they may get them later than planned, they usually are assured of getting them first, and at a fixed cost.
FWIW...
Always take your experience with a display model with a grain of salt. Unlike the fresh G tab that you unboxed yourself and handled/tweaked with care, the display Xoom has gone through hours upon hours of goobers and children wailing away at it, changing default settings, etc.
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Java programs will immediately take advantage of all 4 cores since Java is naturally multithreaded.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you. Some parts of Dalvik (android's version of java), like the garbage collector, will take advantage of multiple cores. Android as an OS uses tons of threads, and will get snappier with more cores... but Android was written to explicitly use multiple threads.
What I'm saying is that apps won't use multiple cores unless the programmer DESIGNS them that way.
NOTE is one of best Gaming Android phone to date, IMO... i mean, 5" is most ideal for gaming IMO, controls on each side doesnt intrfere on the game play because of the screen size, Loudspeaker is loud, not to mention the AMOLED display... i was playing Shadowgun an hour ago, its just awesome...
Couldn't agree with you more.
I am having a similar experience.
Great phone & mini Tab.
i have a feeling that itll be the next HD2...
Strange that you mentioned it. I have an old HTC HD2 which I am keeping it.
It is a great phone and I am still using it for its GPS capability. Using Garmin and Papago GPS for local navigation. We have very detailed maps and POI for my country [supplied FOC by a very dedicated group of mappers called MFM].
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NOTE is one of best Gaming Android phone to date, IMO... i mean, 5" is most ideal for gaming IMO, controls on each side doesnt intrfere on the game play because of the screen size, Loudspeaker is loud, not to mention the AMOLED display... i was playing Shadowgun an hour ago, its just awesome...
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I think that SE Xperia Play is better suited for games. It has a REAL joystick that is always with you.
I bought SonicCD and loaded it up on my Note. It works perfect and the Notes screen runs it beautifully. Then I loaded it up on my old Desire and, boy, was there a huge difference. The Notes screen definately won hands down.
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I think that SE Xperia Play is better suited for games. It has a REAL joystick that is always with you.
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it doesnt have a real analog stick. it uses a touch pad instead.
the xperia play design was good, but it was let down by the hardware. like really, 1ghz single core snapdragon with adreno 205... launching after their competitors release dual core phones with better gpus... and charging just as much as the dual core phones...
hopefully with sony ericcson being consumed by sony, it will lead to an xperia play2 with better internals.
gaming phones next year will be much more interesting. 28nm manufacturing means much more performance at much lower temps with better battery life. im keen on seeing tegra 3+ vs the quadcore 2.5ghz snap dragon...
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it doesnt have a real analog stick. it uses a touch pad instead.
the xperia play design was good, but it was let down by the hardware. like really, 1ghz single core snapdragon with adreno 205... launching after their competitors release dual core phones with better gpus... and charging just as much as the dual core phones...
hopefully with sony ericcson being consumed by sony, it will lead to an xperia play2 with better internals.
gaming phones next year will be much more interesting. 28nm manufacturing means much more performance at much lower temps with better battery life. im keen on seeing tegra 3+ vs the quadcore 2.5ghz snap dragon...
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Can't wait for the Tegra 3 or the new Exynos chipsets that are being released.
The quadcore Snapdragon isn't going to be good if it's anything like it's dual core 1.5ghz predeccesor.
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Im not big into games, but Shadowgun is sick. I cant believe how awesome it is on the Note.
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Im not big into games, but Shadowgun is sick. I cant believe how awesome it is on the Note.
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I got Backstab HD and Asphalt 6 during the 10 days special for my Xoom, but notice they aren't available for the Note. I wonder if spoofing the SGSII would work to at least get them installed and data downloaded?
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I got Backstab HD and Asphalt 6 during the 10 days special for my Xoom, but notice they aren't available for the Note. I wonder if spoofing the SGSII would work to at least get them installed and data downloaded?
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Asphalt 6 is available for free in the Samsung App Market
It's a shame there's no good DS emulators around - the screen is almost exactly the size of the two DS screens, plus it has the stylus and the microphone...
Nonetheless the Note is the best mobile gaming experience I've had in twenty years of playing video games. The screen size is perfect, and so many games play so much better with the stylus. The battery lasts longer than my 3DS, and though I haven't got a Vita yet I imagine it's a similar situation there. MHL means I can play most games on large screens if I want. Android means I can emulate all my favourite old games in one convenient package. And the gaming ecosystem for Android is getting really great right now, most games are seeing release on the Market instead of just iOS. The Note is specced to be right at the forefront of that right now, hindered only (slightly) by its non-Tegra-ness.
Seriously, the gaming utility of this device alone justifies the purchase for me, not even considering its myriad other functions. And today Samsung announces that it's first in line for ICS! I know I'm ranting, but I just couldn't be happier with this phone.
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Has anyone gotten SimCity Deluxe to work? I have the NA version, and it just hangs at downloading with "NaN 0mb / 0mb" (looks like it tried to do some dividing by 0 hehe).
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It's a shame there's no good DS emulators around - the screen is almost exactly the size of the two DS screens, plus it has the stylus and the microphone...
Nonetheless the Note is the best mobile gaming experience I've had in twenty years of playing video games. The screen size is perfect, and so many games play so much better with the stylus. The battery lasts longer than my 3DS, and though I haven't got a Vita yet I imagine it's a similar situation there. MHL means I can play most games on large screens if I want. Android means I can emulate all my favourite old games in one convenient package. And the gaming ecosystem for Android is getting really great right now, most games are seeing release on the Market instead of just iOS. The Note is specced to be right at the forefront of that right now, hindered only (slightly) by its non-Tegra-ness.
Seriously, the gaming utility of this device alone justifies the purchase for me, not even considering its myriad other functions. And today Samsung announces that it's first in line for ICS! I know I'm ranting, but I just couldn't be happier with this phone.
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thats the thing i found disappointing about the vita. the psp had the option of being connected to a TV via component out, yet the vita does not have hdmi. i mean sure, it does have dual touchpads which could make it a bit clunky, but i was really expecting a home console in your pocket. plus, im not happy that sony decided to disable the fourth core of the vita at the last moment. you cant advertise its a quad core when one of the cores is disabled...
I want to buy a tablet for playing games, but I also need it to handle 3G, have some decent GPS and a camera. Since Nexus doesn't have 3G, a decent GPS (it doesn't have GLONASS) and a rear camera I'm not happy with it (I can buy 3G modem, but with other things there's not much I can do), but I read that it is totally awesome when it comes to games.
So my question is: is it? I presume it has access to some Tegra3 exclusive games, but are there so many of them and are they unique enough to make me care? Also, since it's Tegra3 it probably handles most games better than older devices, but do higher details and more FPS compensate for small screen? I wonder whether to buy some 10 inch tablet instead (eg. Galaxy Tab 2 P5100, Acer Iconia A501, Motorola XOOM MZ601, Galaxy Tab P7500).
It seems like you would be happier with a Transformer Prime or TF300. The Nexus has a fine GPS (I always lock within seconds) and is great at playing games (Tegra 3 is second to none in regards to gaming right now).
Lack of 3G and a rear camera seem like deal breakers for you though. Get the tablet that has everything you need, or you will end up regretting it.
Off course tegra 3 is great at handling games....
But as far u want 3g ang gps too u can look for galaxy tab 2 7"(dont go for 10" it is a over priced waste.u can look for note 10.1 instead).it have everything u want and its also perform great in games....
For 10" variant my suggestion is note 10.1
Transformer or Note are a little too expensive for me. I should've mentioned that I have limited budget (I live in Poland and Nexus 7 costs about 300$ here, and that is the most I'm willing to spend on a tablet).
I was just wondering whether I will be able to live without a camera and with an additional device for 3G thanks to the Tegra3 gaming experience. That's why I'm trying to figure out how good is it. I'm not convinced that a 7inch screen will provide a significantly better gaming experience than a 10inch screen, even when details and FPS are better (I have 32inch HD Ready TV and 21inch Full HD monitor and I prefer the former). Also, I read that Tegra2 exclusives are available on other devices thanks to Chainfire 3D, although I can't find any information about how those games perform on eg. Samsung Galaxy 2 10.1 (P5100). And as for Tegra3 exclusives, there are not that many of them out there, right?
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Transformer or Note are a little too expensive for me. I should've mentioned that I have limited budget (I live in Poland and Nexus 7 costs about 300$ here, and that is the most I'm willing to spend on a tablet).
I was just wondering whether I will be able to live without a camera and with an additional device for 3G thanks to the Tegra3 gaming experience. That's why I'm trying to figure out how good is it. I'm not convinced that a 7inch screen will provide a significantly better gaming experience than a 10inch screen,
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you're telling me that you're hands will do better on a 10" screen then a 7" screen? you cant even compare the gaming experience between the two. 7" wins hands down. how are you gonna hold that 10" clunky piece of garbage in your hands and be comfortable?
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you're telling me that you're hands will do better on a 10" screen then a 7" screen? you cant even compare the gaming experience between the two. 7" wins hands down. how are you gonna hold that 10" clunky piece of garbage in your hands and be comfortable?
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It isn't that hard to hold a 10 inch tablet. Unless you of course have fairly small hands.
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you're telling me that you're hands will do better on a 10" screen then a 7" screen? you cant even compare the gaming experience between the two. 7" wins hands down. how are you gonna hold that 10" clunky piece of garbage in your hands and be comfortable?
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I'm talking about the visual experience, not the convenience of holding a tablet. I have large hands, 10" screen won't be a problem.
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I'm talking about the visual experience, not the convenience of holding a tablet. I have large hands, 10" screen won't be a problem.
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bigger screen = the need for more pixels so they dont look stretched
smaller screen = could have the same amount of pixels for less space to make it look better.
I've have tegra 3 games such as modern combat 3, nova 3, and some pinball game, that I'll tell you right now, look absolutely crazy. If you decide to get a nexus 7, root it, overclock it and it'll run even better.
For me a bigger screen is better, unless there is some radical difference in quality. It seems we have different taste.
I've looked on those titles you've mentioned and they look impressive indeed. Are there more of those Tegra3 exclusives? And do Tegra2 exclusives look better on Nexus than on Tegra2 devices?
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For me a bigger screen is better, unless there is some radical difference in quality. It seems we have different taste.
I've looked on those titles you've mentioned and they look impressive indeed. Are there more of those Tegra3 exclusives? And do Tegra2 exclusives look better on Nexus than on Tegra2 devices?
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im pretty sure if you go to the google play store website and type in "tegra 3 games" it'll show the variety
On Google Play website it isn't even mentioned that Modern Combat 3 is optimized for Nexus 7. Even on tegrazone most of the games are not exclusives. It's pretty confusing.
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On Google Play website it isn't even mentioned that Modern Combat 3 is optimized for Nexus 7. Even on tegrazone most of the games are not exclusives. It's pretty confusing.
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modern combat 3 may have been a bad example because I don't think that game was made specifically for tegra 3 devices. Check out dead trigger, shadowgun, riptide gp, or fort courage is a good one to
Tegra optimized games will usually have THD in their title
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Well, I've just read several reviews and absolutely everyone claim that for gaming there is no better device than Nexus 7 and that a 7 inch screen is better than a 10 inch screen. I'm pretty surprised by this concept, since I thought that I will just put a tablet on my laps and then play, but somehow it seems that you have to hold your device while playing. It is pretty weird, but that many people probably cannot be wrong.
Coming from an iPad, I prefer the N7 for gaming. Its smaller and lighter when playing games and the GPU is absolutely amazing. I find that android has a lack of games and apps in comparison to iOS though. I have already played most of the games on my iPad that I find in the play store now.
Well, you've pretty much convinced me to buy a Nexus 7. Now I have to figure out how to overcome the lack of 3G, because that's the most serious deal-breaker for me. I can probably handle lack of camera and GPS without GLONASS, but I absolutely need my tablet to have 3G. MiFi seems like perfect solution and those devices have a microSD slot, but I don't know whether I will be able to install games on a card accessible through WiFi. I guess I'll just buy it and find out.
I downloaded the new D Day game on my Nexus 10 and the iPad Mini. Why does the game to play so much faster so much smoother so much better on the mini rather than my Nexus 10? How can the mini that has such Lower specs play it so much better and this is what other games also I'm running stock rom with custom kernel. I really want you like my Nexus can but if the mini or anything else plays games better and may have to switch what can I do to see if substantial difference in this. any advice, tweaks, tips would be greatly appreciated thank you
Short answer: Developers are lazy
Long answer: The iPad Mini is pushing a lower-resolution and thus, 3D applications don't put as much strain on available graphics resources. The Nexus 10 is pushing 2560x1600, which is pretty aggressive, and developers need to fine-tune their apps, as to not choke the available bandwidth. Most developers just simply lower the internal game resolution, but this may not be enough depending on other factors.
Other factors might include, since iOS is only available to a few devices, and Android covering, a lot more, the developer may of either chosen to test the game on only one device not-related to the Nexus 10, and may not even be aware of it having performance issues on the Nexus 10 (in which case, you should alert the developer at some point).
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Short answer: Developers are lazy
Long answer: The iPad Mini is pushing a lower-resolution and thus, 3D applications don't put as much strain on available graphics resources. The Nexus 10 is pushing 2560x1600, which is pretty aggressive, and developers need to fine-tune their apps, as to not choke the available bandwidth. Most developers just simply lower the internal game resolution, but this may not be enough depending on other factors.
Other factors might include, since iOS is only available to a few devices, and Android covering, a lot more, the developer may of either chosen to test the game on only one device not-related to the Nexus 10, and may not even be aware of it having performance issues on the Nexus 10 (in which case, you should alert the developer at some point).
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Thank you for your reply...that makes sense to me...will the devs ever really catch up with this ? I just wonder since its the highest resolution tablet yet. I just installed carbon room and I'm very happy with the general ui speed now, I'm going to try a few games also with it to see if there is any difference...
Are there any settings in the Dev options that I need to change to help also?
Thanks again
Edit...I just tried that new dday game again and still very laggy....yuck..
Some people recommend enabling 4xMSAA for OpenGLES 2.0 apps (named something like that anyway). Another popular option is to enable Forced 2D GPU acceleration.
A lot of games start off on the iOS platform. Then it seems they will do the bare minimum to port it over to android.
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A lot of games start off on the iOS platform. Then it seems they will do the bare minimum to port it over to android.
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This. And you think it would be the opposite, since android has more devices on the planet than iOS.
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This. And you think it would be the opposite, since android has more devices on the planet than iOS.
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You'd think right? But honestly, having a ridiculous number of manufacturers, with different hardware on different versions probably scares a lot of developers away. Its much easier to make a game for a single piece of hardware and os.
[Rant]I love how android is open source but in the future I hope they at least set some standards for hardware to help unify android and prevent these crappy companies slapping together leftover hardware and throwing on whatever android os will run. [/rant]
The dev is probably lazy. Epic Citadel, one of the most demanding games, run at 54fps on the Nexus 10 at full quality. I wonder how the iPad mini will handle it, but I'm highlighting my developer-is-lazy point.
Ipad minis form screen size factor its simply perfect . light and premium materials makes it an incredible device . but the deal braker its the IOS .
I ve had a ipad mini on my hands 3 days . battery holds 12 hours with average use .
The PERFECT TABLET IN THE UNIVERSE would be ->
IPAD MINI WITH ANDROID , TEGRA 4 AND SAMSUNG CPU !!
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I downloaded the new D Day game on my Nexus 10 and the iPad Mini. Why does the game to play so much faster so much smoother so much better on the mini rather than my Nexus 10? How can the mini that has such Lower specs play it so much better and this is what other games also I'm running stock rom with custom kernel. I really want you like my Nexus can but if the mini or anything else plays games better and may have to switch what can I do to see if substantial difference in this. any advice, tweaks, tips would be greatly appreciated thank you
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With the correct Governor/Scheduler/ROM/software tweaks it can be as good/even better than the Ipad. As I have mentioned before, my wife has an Ipad 4 and I find her snatching up my n10 if I put it down around her. She is an Apple fan-girl but she definitely sees the appeal of android, and she loves my Nexus 10. I will be the first to admit that Real Racing 3 gets higher framerates on her Ipad 4 but it is still smooth on my Nexus 10 and isn't much of a surprise seeing as it was developed on iOS originally and is just a port.
EDIT: I am using the MAX graphics mod with RR3 so the graphics are identical to the Ipad 4.
A tegra 4 and a samsung cpu? Confused...
Also I hate the ipad 4x3 aspect ratio...
My perfect tab would be the nexus 10 with the exynos 5 octa... And a samoLED screen with the 5250x1600 res and Wacom digitizer
The problem its that the mini iPad has higher frame rate than my nexus 10 also ... Not the iPad 4
The aspect ratio on iPad mini its perfect . its very light . nexus 10 its a brick compare to that . that its a portable device ...
Tegra 4 or a a GPU powerful like with an Samsung CPU and an aluminum case ... Nexus 10 case its like a old granny chair ... Squeaky, crackle ...
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With the correct Governor/Scheduler/ROM/software tweaks it can be as good/even better than the Ipad.
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can you share your settings for the best performance? i am on Francos kernal if that helps also..
i would LOVE to tweak my N10 to the max before i make my decision on which to keep
Try out Trinity Kernel instead, it is far better performing now than Franco's. It has the best stock performance at the moment without changing any settings around.
Or you can try the KTManta kernel and use the Ktoonservative governor with these settings:
cpu boost level - 800
gpu boost level - 533
boost cycles - 7
disable hotplugging - 1
sample time - 30000
sample time with screen off - 90000
down threshold - 30
hotplug down - 29
up threshold - 75
up hotplug - 80
And then make sure you have force 2D GPU in the developer options turned on.
Any scheduler should be fine, but I have seen that Zen gives both good read and write speed.
If you do some undervolting you can get a lot better battery life too. Just remember that the GPU needs to have its voltage set to a multiple of 25 for each step.
I've been considering new tablets, and honestly the Shield Tablet has the features I want and I'm able to get one for $250, which seems reasonable. But I'm just wondering if it's still worth it as the it is a year old. How does it compare to newer devices?
If you're primarily going to be using it for gaming, there isn't a better tablet out there. The tablet is a steal for $250. The latest official update really makes the tablet shine and the custom rom called "Blisspop" even makes the device that much better in terms of performance. You won't regret getting one.
Well at the moment there are not many tablets that are faster (maybe even no faster) than this tablet.
Antutu scores are one of the highest even compared with the latest phones.
So speedwise it is still top notch and tablets that maybe come close you have to pay double the price for compared to a shield.
The 32Gb with Lte is unbeaten for that price.
I bought the 32GB LTE version in July, because an LTE tablet anywhere close to the Shield in terms of specs/screen etc. would have been ~$150 more.
Despite the battery recall issue, I'm satisfied with it. My (original) unit has been working perfectly and is very smooth with Lillipop 5.1 (the 3.1 OTA).
I should be receiving my replacement tomorrow, according to UPS. Presuming it doesn't have a defect, I'm looking forward to settling in. I never bothered to settle in on the old tablet (automatic actions, power saving stuff, that kind of thing) since I found out about the recall shortly after buying it, and didn't bother to fine tune it.
I recommend the tablet as an LTE device in the US, though if I didn't need the LTE connectivity probably there might be better values in wifi only (I'm not a gamer, so other tablets could meet my needs... but there are relatively few 8" LTE tablets without permanently locked bootloaders here).
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The problem of the tablet is really the processor that is getting old pretty quick (don't know exactly it's true performance), but nowadays everything coming out is already being 8 cores at 2 ghz or more.
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But they are often not faster. Gpu of the shield is very fast maybe the fastest around at the moment. The SOC is still one of the fastest around and it is just on the market for 1 year so not that old.
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Where can you even buy one of these? In Canada every single place is sold out and saying they won't stock them again. The used market can't find for under $500 either.
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Where can you even buy one of these? In Canada every single place is sold out and saying they won't stock them again. The used market can't find for under $500 either.
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Checkout swappa.com
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Checkout swappa.com
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There is nothing there for it.
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There is nothing there for it.
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https://swappa.com/buy/nvidia-shield-tablet-wifi
its the non-lte, 16 gb version
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https://swappa.com/buy/nvidia-shield-tablet-wifi
its the non-lte, 16 gb version
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And there are no listings.... Useless.
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And there are no listings.... Useless.
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Its something on your end then
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Its something on your end then
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No. It's just that there are none...
There seem to be two of them for sale at that link when I go to it. One for $290, one for $320, both advertised as new (resale). Probably you're just filtering by Canadian sellers, based on your picture. Lots of folks in US won't ship outside the US, so no big deal that they aren't showing up for you.
Best of luck finding one!
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There seem to be two of them for sale at that link when I go to it. One for $290, one for $320, both advertised as new (resale). Probably you're just filtering by Canadian sellers, based on your picture. Lots of folks in US won't ship outside the US, so no big deal that they aren't showing up for you.
Best of luck finding one!
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Yeah my question was basically how to get one to Canada that's under $500. Impossible! Cheapest I've found is on eBay shipped for $530 for 16gb model no accessories.
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But they are often not faster. Gpu of the shield is very fast maybe the fastest around at the moment. The SOC is still one of the fastest around and it is just on the market for 1 year so not that old.
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The thing is that there aren't much AAA games to play in the shield, it's a good device more for the extra nvidia stuff.
I'm waiting for Borderlands 2 for a damn long time, but it never comes, and I don't even know if it runs on the device with good performance or if it's just for the Shield TV.
More impressive are some cheap windows tablets that for around 350€ can even run Battlefield 3 on low to mid.
Now with DX12 and tons of compatibility tablets might go more for windows again.
In fact I'm not liking much android, not a single game like the good old C&C Red alert 2, boot takes almost 2 times longer than my wind 10 PC, some websites stop working, multitasking is a joke since we can't even play a youtube music while doing anything else...
ps: Also in most performance tests we see other tablets ahead of Shield, so I don't think anything is actually that much optimized for it, not even most tegra games.
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My Shield Tablet LTE topped my Nexus 9's scores on Antutu plus the Shield gaming is great to have. Let's not forget about the SD slot and the mini HDMI port on top either. This tablet still destroys everything else (even most phones) a year later. I really mine because it has a stylus and no dumb Samsung home button like their Tablet S/S2 does. Its hard to find a good tablet these days yet the Shield holds its ground and doesn't seem to lose any performance over time. I like playing Half Life 2 on it or DOOM 3 especially when I travel. Its nice to have a tablet which can play nice games too even though that's not its primary purpose for me.
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The thing is that there aren't much AAA games to play in the shield, it's a good device more for the extra nvidia stuff.
I'm waiting for Borderlands 2 for a damn long time, but it never comes, and I don't even know if it runs on the device with good performance or if it's just for the Shield TV.
More impressive are some cheap windows tablets that for around 350â?¬ can even run Battlefield 3 on low to mid.
Now with DX12 and tons of compatibility tablets might go more for windows again.
In fact I'm not liking much android, not a single game like the good old C&C Red alert 2, boot takes almost 2 times longer than my wind 10 PC, some websites stop working, multitasking is a joke since we can't even play a youtube music while doing anything else...
ps: Also in most performance tests we see other tablets ahead of Shield, so I don't think anything is actually that much optimized for it, not even most tegra games.
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Those cheap windows tablets also use Intel chips in most cases plus Windows an as OS handles things differently than Android does. I agree that there aren't many great games but the ones they do have are fun in my opinion. I have the Shield TV as well and I play all kinds of games including emulators without any issues. My i7 Samsung Ultra book probably can't handle some of the games the Shield can then again I haven't tried. I'm not a big PC gamer but I do know the GPU isn't that great in most Windows tablets/ultrabooks. Android M fixes a lot of the productivity issues and adds multi window and I'm sure Nvidia is working on it now anyway. They tend to lush updates out promptly in most cases unless there's a big issue.
I haven't seen another tablet have better gaming performance than he Shield or Nexus 9 since hwy share a GPU yet use different CPU's. My Nexus 6's SD805 doesn't come close to he 3D score that the tablet does but on Marshmallow it does get a nice ~1500 pt boost likely from the optimization in it. I can imagine the same will occur in the Shield Tablet but we won't know until Nvidia releases it.
I'm not saying the Shield is the best fit everyone but it is a great tablet if you are in the market for a LTE enabled 8in tablet thats fast, runs near stock Android and has nice games for it.
Most of those BEST Nvidia Shield games coming soon are old and I finished them already. (RES5, Half Life, Borderlands, Doom...).
The thing is, you get a good device, but you will probably end playing most games that your phone already can play maxed out.
Other thing is Nvidia blahblahblah says it's more powerful than a X360 GPU, but then most games have a little lag and nothing, but really nothing made to the android yet comes close to most X360\PS3 gameplay\physics (they just look good, but plays like crap).
Then it's my 4th Nvidia shield all are defective and the last one needs to go to RMA again.
I never had an android device, so I wanted to try it, with my experience is just a god damn bugged SO worst than windows.
Also I got sad with the strategy games and how nothing on the android thousand of games even come close to Command and Conquer Red Alert II from like 2000
My opinion:
GOOD:
- hardware Performance;
- Sound;
- has it's own wireless gamepad;
- Nvidia software + remote pc play (button mapping already in the tablet, no need to root 4 that);
- More games than other android devices;
BAD:
- Android is not really optimized;
- Not much AAA games:
- Nothing like C&C, age of empires, Skyrim........ (most games are very cheap copies of good games, but look like a 2003 game);
- In the real world, performance is not as big as nvidia make you think (best phones now probably have better performance, like Samsung S6 which is a lot more little and doesn't come close to having more than a hundred cores like this nvidia);
- Screen quality is not that awesome, it is a High resolution LCD, but nothing special besides that. It doesn't get any close to samsung phone's\tablet amoled screens;
- Battery doesn't last much either;
I actually think that something like that made for DX12 and wind 10 would probably get almost twice the performance than on the actual android OS. At least I saw some people playing BF3 on dell cheap 1 year old tablets that cost basically the same as this nvidia shield. Nowadays with DX12 and Wind 10 soon may be a new era for tablets (it seems windows based hardware have more performance per price than android devices). At least I never seen any 300€ android tablet playing anything close to a BF3 which is years ahead in gameplay + physics than any android game I ever seen\played until now.
ps: If it was today I would buy a ~350€ DELL wind tablet that can even play BF3 (guess what? No need to Root for anything as you own everything already and can update\mod everything).
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