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Why are they crippling the us galaxy s iv?

I understand that they crippled the s3 because of issues with lte compatibility. (even though the korean version has quad exynos and lte)
However, I was under the impression samsung had worked this all out with exynos in the note 2. Also didn't either three or ee or whatever it was in the uk say they would have lte on the galaxy s iv, but only the us variant gets snapdragon? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Samsung is alienating a rather large market.
Now don't get me wrong, i am under no circumstance saying the snapdragon 600 is a bad processor, i think its really great. The gpu is really good too. However, When i think samsung, I think of exynos as its staple, built in-house samsung optimized processor. Also, i think we can all safely assume that the octa will be more powerful do to it being a real a15 quadcore (with the a7 power savers) and not just having a15 like characteristics. Furthermore the sgx 544 has been shown to be a more powerful gpu than the 320 other than not have open gl es 3.0. So i'm confused here. Is there something I'm missing? Am i the only one thinking this?
ps. Anyone hear anything about the exynos 5 quad? Why not use that?

......LTE......

americasteam said:
......LTE......
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did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875

I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here

Most likely supply issues those 8 cores don't make themselves then again the lte issue could have sprung up again because this isn't a traditional processor
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samdsox said:
did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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Yeah, I read what you wrote. I would assume it is in fact a limitation of LTE. Maybe they don't have a version of their current gen chip that is compatible with LTE bands used in the US.
You think Samsung wants to buy SoC from another vender?

I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?

xan3x said:
I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?
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The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)

samdsox said:
The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)
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Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.

Are you sure it will get dev support? I thought cyanogenmod quit developing for the international s 3 because Samsung wouldn't release some code for the exynos on the s 3 international version.
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xan3x said:
Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.
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Any gsm network...att, tmobile..etc
Any cdma carrier will not work with international phones...Verizon, sprint...etc
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When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.

samdsox said:
did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band

Warrimonk said:
It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band
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thanks that makes alot more sense. It's just too bad samsung didn't use a seperate modem or plan for that in advance.

Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
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zelendel said:
Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
Wayne Tech S-III
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Yeah, that's the one thing the us version has going for it. Not sure but i thought i saw a post from one of those developers that they would not develop for either though...hoping it was just that one.

Snapdragon 600:
Four Krait 300 cores
Adreno 320 graphics
Exynos 5 Octa:
Cortex-A15
Cortex-A7 CPUs w/
PowerVR SGX544MP3 graphics
Any T-Mobile folks thinking about ordering the International instead of the TM release?
Hmmm....decisions decisions....

conrat2000 said:
When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.
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That card is to access verizons LTE networks ....its not a sim like att/tmobile

Will people quit posting worthless threads about the processor already!? The snapdragon is going to be better in reality because it clocks faster and wastes much less battery combined with lte. Plus, developers hate exynos and won't develope for it.
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barondebxl said:
I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here
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I would assume the us version would get more support from developers such as CM since samsung won't release the codes of the exynos based processors, hence not being able to run it up to its full potential. So with the S600 that shouldn't be the case. No?
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Why Exynos not compatible with LTE(USA)

Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?

Processer problem? or not
varunkumars said:
Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
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Well.. I don't think that problem is into Main chipset.
The galaxy s3's Exynos 4412 processer supports LTE. but samsung released by 3G version. I don't know why is itand also, samsung released korean galaxy s4 version by LTE with Exynos again
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(Korean Version of Galaxy S3 gets Exynos4412 LTE/2GB RAM/and also LTE Conn.)
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Also with Note2 , Samsung launched with One Exynos processer chipset worldwide, same phone, just different modem and radio files.
I thought Samsung did sortout LTE band issue.
But but, Samsung dissapointed me with snapdragon qualcomm chipset in Canada again.

varunkumars said:
Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
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I think it s about the Trust from Americans
i m not american but i trust on Snapdragon (from USA) more than Exynos (& Cortex from Korea and UK ...) !!!
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maybe Samsung try to behave WISER in US
step by step and better performance
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Samsung will do the same sh*t with the S4 as they did with the S3.
3 months after releasing the S3 i9300 in Australia they released the S3 4g i9305. Helps boost sales to suckers like me.
This time they'll probably release the i9505 lte snapdragon version then a few months down the track claim they found a way to get 4g working on the Octa and probably release a i9510.
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Was this exynos lte variant released on all the major carriers? More in particular was it released for at&t?

exynos for note 2, im guessing they were able to fit in a LTE chip due to the size of the phone 5.5
since the s4 keeps the s3 form factor, plus almost 1mm thinner, there was no way they couldve included lte with the exynos.
Plus they are having manufacturing issues with the exynos, so by fall when the note 3 launches, it shouldnt be a issue.

j510 said:
Was this exynos lte variant released on all the major carriers? More in particular was it released for at&t?
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Not sure but I believe in the US they stayed the same dual core models. In some overseas markets where the international model was sold they then introduced the quad core lte model (i9305).
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You guys should search before posting. There is already a thread discussing this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2200796

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Refer to the existing thread cited above.

S4 Octa-core Version on USA LTE

We know Octa S4 can have LTE on it, But will it have USA LTE BANDS? Will the International LTE version work on ATT or tmobile?
Who would like octa s4 LTE work with USA LTE bands? How would it work, if it support either att or tmobile LTE?

well Samsung said OCTA-CORE (I9500) will come with LTE Support? it was just said that Exynos chip do supports LTE, but they will not add LTE Chip or whatever it's called in I9500, although i would like to see LTE Version for everyone, one model is better than two different variants

tvp480 said:
We know Octa S4 can have LTE on it, But will it have USA LTE BANDS? Will the International LTE version work on ATT or tmobile?
Who would like octa s4 LTE work with USA LTE bands? How would it work, if it support either att or tmobile LTE?
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i9500 does not have an LTE modem (although it would support a LTE modem, if Samsung decided to add one). So no, you can't have LTE with the i9500

Well guys Samsung made one but it's Korea only. samsung is not releasing it for the whole world because they can't produce so many octa chips. Here is a link confirming it. Hit thanks please
http://m.mobot.net/exynos-5-octa-support-lte-exclusively-korea-55024

_MrAwesome_ said:
Well guys Samsung made one but it's Korea only. samsung is not releasing it for the whole world because they can't produce so many octa chips. Here is a link confirming it. Hit thanks please
http://m.mobot.net/exynos-5-octa-support-lte-exclusively-korea-55024
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I hate it when people ask for thanks....especially when they really didn't even do anything - you shouldn't do.stuff on xda looking to raise that thanks bar...just do them to be helpful and if people find you helpful then they will thank you...simple as that
asking for thanks just makes you look desperate in my opinion
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_MrAwesome_ said:
Well guys Samsung made one but it's Korea only. samsung is not releasing it for the whole world because they can't produce so many octa chips. Here is a link confirming it. Hit thanks please
http://m.mobot.net/exynos-5-octa-support-lte-exclusively-korea-55024
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mg2195 said:
I hate it when people ask for thanks....especially when they really didn't even do anything - you shouldn't do.stuff on xda looking to raise that thanks bar...just do them to be helpful and if people find you helpful then they will thank you...simple as that
asking for thanks just makes you look desperate in my opinion
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I agree about this begging for thanks thing...
i guess when you only have 4 thanks, you get desperate...but that's really no excuse.

tvp480 said:
Who would like octa s4 LTE work with USA LTE bands?
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i would. glad i could help answer your question for you lol.
you can forget the thanks, my ePeen is big enough, just hit up that Donation button i got over <<<< ^^
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LAtin America S4
What variant will the LAtin America S4 have? And will the Korean version work on AT&T HSPA+21 ?

South and Latin America are getting the non LTE version. The only market (announced) getting the Octa with LTE is Korean and not even all of that market since the LTE variation is being made for a specific carrier if I understand it correctly.

I hear that korean version has issues with sms in NA since their software is a bit different. The octa shouldn't be worth importing the device... The snapdragon 600 it still a great performer and you won't notice real world performance difference. Benches are going to be better but are you buying your phone for benchmarking or to use it?

Is the I9500 Octa 4g in the States?

I want to buy the I9500 Galaxsy s4 with the Exynos 5 Octa 5410 Chipset, does anyone know if it will work in the States? Specifically in T-mobile's 3G/4G network?

The Octa-core version is LTE only from my understanding. Since T-Mobile's network is not LTE, but HSPA+ it would not be compatible.

PurpleSh4rk said:
The Octa-core version is LTE only from my understanding. Since T-Mobile's network is not LTE, but HSPA+ it would not be compatible.
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This is incorrect. The i9500 has support for all 20 LTE bands but no modem for them, so no LTE. As far as support on T-Mobile; it has UTMS/DC-HSPA+42, which is what the GS2, GS3, and Note 2 all had. T-Mobile does support LTE in a handful of markets and is adding 10-20 in the next few months. Please do some research before commenting on something you know nothing about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_SIV

Could we import a south korean gs4?
exynos + lte
however due to the different model, it would be harder to develop right?

spazzy1912 said:
Could we import a south korean gs4?
exynos + lte
however due to the different model, it would be harder to develop right?
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ROMs should work from the i9500, the modem would need to be left out to avoid a brick/baseband unknown.

KillaHurtz said:
This is incorrect. The i9500 has support for all 20 LTE bands but no modem for them, so no LTE. As far as support on T-Mobile; it has UTMS/DC-HSPA+42, which is what the GS2, GS3, and Note 2 all had. T-Mobile does support LTE in a handful of markets and is adding 10-20 in the next few months. Please do some research before commenting on something you know nothing about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_SIV
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Okay so that means it does work?
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Treikens said:
Okay so that means it does work?
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You need to get in the habit of doing research my friend. I provided all the necessary info, all you need to do is read it. Anyone can come on here and tell you BS like the 1st responder did. I have provided the info you need. Good luck.

"Thanks for nothing.", would be the appropriate response to that. Well the PG one anyway.

Treikens said:
"Thanks for nothing.", would be the appropriate response to that. Well the PG one anyway.
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Galaxy S4 International Version - Att LTE??

I have the chance to purchase/trade a galaxy S4 new still in the box. I'm on Att and my only concern is that LTE does not work on the international version..Am I correct? Thank you

Yes you can use LTE with International S4 with AT&T (use only stock roms) look for Unlock S4 and AWS...
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argo1a said:
I have the chance to purchase/trade a galaxy S4 new still in the box. I'm on Att and my only concern is that LTE does not work on the international version..Am I correct? Thank you
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International phone or ROM? Theres a difference.

i9500 or i9505
Both are S4 "International" versions. One (i9500) has Samsung's "Octa-Core" processor while the other (i9505) has the Snapdragon 600 quad core. The thing is, I don't believe the i9500 Octa core has LTE unless you get the Korean version.
If it's the i9505 version, there are some how-to's on here that might allow you to enable the ATT LTE bands.

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argo1a said:
I have the chance to purchase/trade a galaxy S4 new still in the box. I'm on Att and my only concern is that LTE does not work on the international version..Am I correct? Thank you
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The GT-I9505 with the snapdragon processor is THE same hardware of the AT&T phone. The GT-I9500 is the exynos octo-processor but as far as I know may/may not get the frequencies needed to run AT&T 3G and does not have LTE. I am not 100% sure but I ran into issues like this purchasing my S3 GT-I9300. At that time I bought the Gt-i9305 which had LTE but it would not get AT&T frequencies for 3G, so I sold it and got the 9300 that worked with AT&T but had no LTE.
"The S4 has two major variants, one featuring a quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 and the other featuring an Samsung Exynos 5 Octa. The Exynos 5 Octa version features the first big.LITTLE architecture central processing unit (CPU) but does not have LTE connectivity."--from wiki
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highaltitude said:
The GT-I9505 with the snapdragon processor is THE same hardware of the AT&T phone but has No LTE. The GT-I9500 is the exynos octo-processor but as far as I know may not get the frequencies needed to run AT&T 3G. I am not 100% sure but I ran into issues like this purchasing my S3 GT-I9300.
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Thee gt-i9505 has the exact same hardware including LTE. next time maybe you should search a bit before passing off false info
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so is there an octocore with LTE or no? my research indicated no prior to purchase. just wondering really; not really needed.

thatsupnow said:
Thee gt-i9505 has the exact same hardware including LTE. next time maybe you should search a bit before passing off false info
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fixed it. I wrote it wrong, relax smarty

Slade8525 said:
so is there an octocore with LTE or no? my research indicated no prior to purchase. just wondering really; not really needed.
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No LTE on the octacore. why would you want one of those pieces of crap? ALOT of developers don't want anything to do with it. and the chip itself is apparently just a huge flaw. Just go over to the int'l forum and read about it, personally your wasting your money if you by the octacore
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