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Hi, finally here I am with my new Nexus 4. Through different devices that i disliked (like Acer LM, Nexus S in part), now I see a very good phone that does like everything. So here I wanna clear all my (and ours) main doubts regarding settings or tools that improves it. I red a lot in this and in a great italian forum, but some matter isn' t totally understood by people so informations may be subjectives and not in the same way.
So let's start
1- in the beginning of my history with android, 4 years ago, I thougt that 3g data with a good company works perfect with normal settings. But since 2 years I'm using a good and necessary app, Rom Toolbox. It also backup apps, but here it's important the set DNS function. In the past I saw improovements tapping Google DNS, internet was fast, but now, for example, using google search, it takes 2-3 seconds for showing results.
Why this "connection freezing"? Maybe other settings may be helpful for connection ?
ex."auto apply wifi/mobile network tapped, or improove dwd speed in some way...
2- A) I see that some rom users has wonderful battery experience. I would like me too , so I tried CodeFire X + matr1x 7.5 .
It has 10 days of life, but I would like to set everything, so : I need to do the undervolt fix, in addiction to the matr1x kernel (probably already undervolted), or this isn' t necessary?
Do you think that exists better ROMs regarding fluidity/battery improovements? Here I have 0 lag, for now (with a lot of apps installed with no notifications drains).
But I'm not very happy regarding battery: 2hours 22minutes, now 79% with 38% screen (46min), 32% phone calls (18min), 6% android and 4% firefox, connected with 3g (low use).
B) I tried Easy battery saver, i'm so uncertain regarding this kind of apps, because users opinion is so differents, like the choice (EBS, JD,2xB, Green Power). I choice this one only for download and stars rating.
But also Snapdragon may be good. For now, i found on them the lolzful situations: people that talks about 24 hours improovment(!!!) and a lot of people that is very happy, but on the other side others that says that process drains a lot of battery.
I think, at the end, that probably one of this apps may be good for battery, and you? If yes, I can't understand the best one.
3- A) android assistant: I can't understand if the "clear process" widget really free RAM or not. In the past I also red that task killing isn't good for android, but freeing RAM may be good (if apps are really closed, and don't re-open after memory release).
on nexus s I loved to close all processes with it's icon on the bottom of the screen. Now isn' t included (stock included, dunno why), so I can use Android Assistant as substitute?
B) boot assistant on AA really closes all app that i tap? I have everything blocked, like 10-15 processes ,unless sms and 2 widget.
4- I passed 4 hours for understand that dolphin can't import firefox bookmarks, it can't see folders. So I tried FF for android and now oviously they sync and passed everything. But I can't understand how to set FF bookmarks widget, no apps or ways to do it. If not, it's also perfect having a FF bookmarks shortcut
I red about a way to pass them on stock browser, ok , but after I can see on the stock widget all my folders and bookmarks inside?
5- FastGPS is always useful for improoving GPS signal?
please help!!
give me knowledge!!
4 years you have been using android and you still have not got it that battery life is 99% of the time kernel related...
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4 years you have been using android and you still have not got it that battery life is 99% of the time kernel related...
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seems to be a short answer for explaining all, but it only answer a half question - 2) B
I wrote 7 questions(5 +2), so there is much more to say than 20 words.
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4 years you have been using android and you still have not got it that battery life is 99% of the time kernel related...
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Hi,
Wrong, it's 99 % user related... (CPU settings -> overclock / underclock / undervolt / governor, brightness, sync -> mails / meteo / social network, rogue apps, data -> Wi-Fi / 3g, reception, usage -> games / browsing or just sms, etc...)...
Yes sometimes a bad battery life can be due to the kernel (bad kernel wakelocks) like sometimes a custom kernel can correct some weird little issues with battery life compared to the stock kernel, but people tend to believe that the kernel or the rom that makes your battery life and ONLY this. It's mainly the user... at least at 95 % of the time.
Don't blame the kernel if you have a rogue app, if you don't know how to use / set your phone (or your CPU) / set your apps correctly for better battery life...
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Hi,
Wrong, it's 99 % user related... (CPU settings -> overclock / underclock / undervolt / governor, brightness, sync -> mails / meteo / social network, rogue apps, data -> Wi-Fi / 3g, reception, usage -> games / browsing or just sms, etc...)...
Yes sometimes a bad battery life can be due to the kernel (bad kernel wakelocks) like sometimes a custom kernel can correct some weird little issues with battery life compared to the stock kernel, but people tend to believe that the kernel or the rom that makes your battery life and ONLY this. It's mainly the user... at least at 95 % of the time.
Don't blame the kernel if you have a rogue app, if you don't know how to use / set your phone (or your CPU) / set your apps correctly for better battery life...
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nice!
that was the reason because i asked theese questions.... so can i have your opinion?
still need help....
Hi folks. I'm sorry to trouble everyone again.
DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A DEV and I AM NOT A COOK.
I want to know, is there a way, where I can say take a custom ROM, and then modify the existing parts so that i can reduce the RAM footprint.
I have no experience using any ROMS except Ilyaa's CM10.1 custom ROM which he cooked up. Even on stock gingerbread i only toyed for it for a day after i bought it and immediately followed the instructions and did a custom firmware (I even had a thread about it because the first time i did it i accidently deleted /boot)
What I had in mind is to somehow replace bloated apps with apps that uses FAR lesser RAM footprint.
For example, the Trebuchet launcher is fine, but I wanted something more minimalistic so i went for Lightning Launcher and also Zeam Launcher (TagHome launcher is not available for 4.2, sadly)
What i discovered was Smart Launcher uses about 16MB of RAM. Lightning initially only used 3.1MB, (then somehow bloated up to 20MB even when i did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING) and ZEAM launcher is hovering around 15MB.
I am not sure if this is ROM related issue, but I want to ask users of other ROMS (especially the custom ICS ROMs like MIUI and DZO AURORA since its considered the best of all U8800 custom ROMs) if you can reduce the footprint?
Truthfully, I have tried GREENIFY and also another memory app that another forumer has recommnded for setting minimum values, but i still keep getting ONLY 20-40MB free RAM. I have replaced the super bloatware Facebook for Android by Facebook and Twitter and replaced them with SCOPE (far lesser RAM used than both app combined)
Does anybody have any idea of what we can do?
As far as i know when u are connected to the internet most of the apps run in the background and thus u have less available ram. Widgets also drain a lot, try to avoid them. U can tweak some kernel values so that the system will make more available free ram , like minfree values.
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As far as i know when u are connected to the internet most of the apps run in the background and thus u have less available ram. Widgets also drain a lot, try to avoid them. U can tweak some kernel values so that the system will make more available free ram , like minfree values.
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THis is what i did. However the it does not affect my memory, and i suspect it was the ROM because of the previous versions was better. I have not tried ICS though.
Have you tried using an app called Greenify?
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Have you tried using an app called Greenify?
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Read the OP for God's sake -.-'
Mendacio said:
Have you tried using an app called Greenify?
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Yes. I have. I have also stated that very explicitly.
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Try the app memory manager and on presets choose the option Strict....
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Try the app memory manager and on presets choose the option Strict....
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Well, that did not helped much, actually. I'm not sure what is the real issue behind it, but I'm still tinkering with some of the ROMs and installing what I perceive as low-RAM-usage apps.
Currently i'm running GREENIFY and MEMORY MANAGER (that sets the minfree values) and hopefully by later i'll come out with something useful.
I'm not that of a poweruser, so using another custom kernel then doing some adjustments not specified by the dev is a little too much to me, unless I know i can follow through with the steps.
update:
Some of the apps that I have perceived as low RAM usage and downright functional (not beautiful, but gets things done)
Launcher:
- Smart Launcher
- Zeam Launcher
- Lightning Launcher
Facebook:
- Atrium
- Scope (Twitter and Facebook)
Twitter:
- Twicca
- Scope
- Echofon
Google +
(no alternative)
Media:
- Quickpix (gallery alternative)
- Hiki Player (music player alternative)
- Nano player (music player alternative, bare bones)
- MX Player (video player)
- Tubemate (at least you can greenify this over the stupid Youtube App)
E-Mail:
- default email client
- K9 email client
Contacts and messaging:
- Contacts + (this one does a lot)
- pansi sms (sms alternative)
File Managers:
- Root Browser Lite
- ES File Explorer.
That's about it for the time being.
At this time 3rd June 2013, Google is updating the core apps. I am unable to uninstall the email apk and gmail apk.
Hello everyone.
My issue is rather simple.
I used to have a Galaxy S3 that had a really poor multi-tasking experience with its very limited 1Gb of RAM.
So I bought the Note 3 that was bound to provide me with enough RAM for a better multitasking experience.
So far it was OK and way better than S3 capability but then KitKat came along and this is where my nightmare began.
Simply put, I cannot take benefit of the 3Gb of RAM I have on my device.
My Galaxy Note 3 is the international version bought in France with a Snapdragon S800 and 3Gb of RAM.
During my every day usage, I ofently switch between a certain sets of applications so to me, it is very important that these applications are not killed.
My original settings :
OOM is untouched, though I tried to set it to light with System Tuner but it did not help.
I have a few services that are launched when the device boot : Network Speed to measure bandwith in real time, OS Monitor to display CPU and RAM usage in real time as well and finally System Tuner.
Under develpoment options in the Settings, the limit of apps in background is set to standard (by default)
This is a sequence of test runs I made to show what is going on and why I deem my multitasking experience poor.
In the aim to offer accurate data, this is the list of apps I am using a lot :
app 1 = World War - a 2D non dynamic video game ;
app 2 = iMobster - same as above ;
app 3 = TweetCaster - a twitter client
app 4 = EvolveSMS - a SMS client. Can take a lot of RAM if many SMS are loaded (over thousands of SMS = 100Mb of RAM)
app 5 = Google Chrome - the web browser (not beta) with one tab loaded, two tabs saved but unloaded
Here we go.
Reboot phone -> 1.5Gb of free RAM (1.9Gb at the beginning then 1.5Gb in average after waiting for the aforementioned on-boot apps to be launched)
Launch app 1 -> 1.4Gb of free RAM
Launch app 2 -> 1.3Gb of free RAM
Launch app 3 -> 1.0Gb of free RAM
Launch app 4 -> 800Mb of free RAM
Launch app 5 -> 600Mb of free RAM
Upon each launch I waited for the app to be completely loaded (no splashscreen or loading screen). Then I check with both OS Monitor and System Tuner's widgets to check up the free RAM (sometimes their data differ, but not a lot ~100/200mb).
Repeating this particular sequence bears the same results : when launching app 5 (Google Chrome), app 1 and 3 are closed.
Some time only one of them. But most of the time two apps are closed.
Futhermore, I notice I can't not get less than 500Mb of free RAM. Unless I use Google Chrome to load heavy websites, there is no way than by launching more apps I will get under this limit.
Simply put, I cannot have more than 4 to 5 apps running in background.
I tried different ROMS :
- 2 based on Samsung KitKat ROMs : Jackyaway and S5 port V6. I have the same issue.
- CM 11. : too unstable at the time but perhaps better because the OS takes less RAM than Samsung.
So here I am.
When I was on Android 4.3, it was nice, Moving to 4.x is a disaster.
What can I do ? How is your experience ? How many apps do you manage to keep in the background ?
You are aware that the default setting for 'keep in background' equals 4?
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You are aware that the default setting for 'keep in background' equals 4?
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Then how can I change it ???
This is really common and isn't an issue. Android will cache a lot of resources in RAM. When that RAM space is needed, the cache is freed. Do not worry.
Colton127 said:
This is really common and isn't an issue. Android will cache a lot of resources in RAM. When that RAM space is needed, the cache is freed. Do not worry.
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Sorry but no.
How come ..
In Android 4.3 I had better multi-tasking experience (more apps in background) while having a smooth system ...
In Android 4.4,x I have an horrible multi-tasking experience (less apps in background).
I mean I have been doing more tests and it's driving me CRAZY ! After just rebooting my phone, I have about 1300Mb of FREE RAM and then after starting my 4 usual applications, it still have 1Gb of FREE RAM, why, please tell me why would Android feel the need to kill one of these apps after I launched a 5th one ?
This is getting ridiculous ! In what world could Android based on Linux kernel simply decide to kill my apps when it has 1Gb of FREE RAM !
When I was on 4.3 I could have ;
- my 2 2D video games
- my twitter client
- my SMS application
- chrome with 3 tabs opened
- play store opened,
- galerie displaying a picture
etc etc.. all stayed in background. They just got killed whenever I started a heavy application such as a 3D video game and in that case it's completely normal.
Heck I even recalled playing to Asphalt 7 then having a phone call while replying to an SMS (or checking my tweets) all at the same time.
Guess what I can do, now in KitKat ?
Oh god I hate my self for moving to kitkat. Makes me want to throw my phone away.
Search for zeppelinrox's V6 supercharger, I recall it has a feature to allow more apps to run in the background.
I am yet to do this myself, noticed the poor multitasking also.
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Search for zeppelinrox's V6 supercharger, I recall it has a feature to allow more apps to run in the background.
I am yet to do this myself, noticed the poor multitasking also.
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That could be a solution. I used in on my Galaxy S3 but it did little help since the phone was lame at the beginning.
I never believed I would use it again on the phone I deemed good for multitasking.
But I am glad to hear that I am not the only one thinking the same thing.
I will try the fix and post here my findings. Should you try the same thing, do not hesitate to share your experience here.
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Quite some time have passed since my last post here ... but my problem remains still.
I've juste moved to Cynogen Mode 11 as of last Snapshot (stable) version.
Overall, the system is stable. Much faster, way smoother. I won't miss TouchWiz I think.
RAM usage is lower : now on boot with the same services I like to have, it sill have over 1.6Gb of free RAM.
That's quite a lote I would like to use, but still can't.
But I must be fair, my multitasking experience is slightly better. First because I can finally have other options to switch between apps other than by long-pressing the home button.
But also because it seems I can finally have a few more apps staying in the background.
When looking for solutions to my problem, I ran across this : RAM and multitasking...so bad.
I said : "finally, someone understanding me".
I read all replies, and this is what seems to come out : KitKat seems to have a built-in feature that auto-kills app whenever a limit of active apps is reached.
This limit is around 10 and 20. I don't know where this limit is set, how it is defined, where I can find, how I can change, and why it exists.
I believe V6 Supercharger did change that limit on Jelly Bean and ICS. I thought this limit disappeared in 4.3.... did it come back in 4.4 ?
Does it work on KitKat ?
Well, I hope someone here can help me. Thanks !
Bump to this. I have a Xperia Z3 Compact and experience the same problem... I never have this problem before with other devices in 4.3.. The multitask since Kitkat is just horrible.
My previously phone was just a low budget Xperia X8 but I was used to only have to charge it each 2/3 days with normal usage.
So, after buying the Moto G 2nd Gen and having to charge it twice a day in the first days of usage (heavy usage I must say), I started to try to find ways how I could optimize the battery of my new phone.
I started reading about how what changed with newer versions of Android, the issues lollipop has and the impact services and apps have on the battery life in current versions of Android with the technologies our phone has.
I started looking into tasker and many other apps, and thinking in rooting my phone to have even more control over the battery usage, but even without rooting, I manage to make it last 3 days with normal usage (more than 7 hours on screen time heavy usage).
At that time I was like "Great! Now I only have to charge it once every 3 days just like my old Xperia X8". But then it came to me, my smartphone wasn't actually that smart after all the tweaks I had to make to save its battery.
At that point I started to do lots of tests to check what's really draining the battery and after all those tests now I have a battery that lasts 2/3 days with normal usage while having a true smartphone!
This is what you should do:
Note: I have the model XT1068 and I'm using two sim cards with it, and you'll need the app tasker for a crucial step but you will NOT need root.
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WHAT YOU SHOULD DISABLE:
- Disable "Ok Google" detection -> big battery drainer
- Disable the following apps:
Assist
Motorola Alert
Motorola Contextual Services
Motorola Migration
Motorola One Time Init
Motorola Notification
HP print service (you already have google cloud print service)
Motorola Init Services
Help
Motorola One Time Init
You should also disable all the google apps you don't want to use.
- Disable Wifi always on network search
- Disable Wifi every time you are not using it
- Disable Auto-Sync (you'll have auto-sync back in a more smart and efficient way using tasker)
- Disable Ambient Notifications (you already have the notification led to warn you about incoming notifications)
- Disable Audio Effects
- Temporarily enable auto-sync so you could manually disable all the apps you don't need to be synced (ex.: Google Plus, Drive, etc). Disable auto-sync after you are done with the changes.
- Disable all those reports being automatically sent (sorry developers, but that really adds up to the battery usage with multiple apps doing it)
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WHAT YOU SHOULD ENABLE TO KEEP YOUR PHONE SMART
(Unless you don't ever use it)
- Enable Bluetooth (Bluetooth 4.0 consumes nearly 0 battery while not paired to a device, even paired it consumes little power with newer devices)
- Enable Mobile Data
- Enable location in high precision mode (it will activate GPS when an app needs it)
- Enable Auto- Brightness (adjust the brightness slider to 60% or less after that, the lower the better)
- Enable notification light
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SETTINGS AND TIPS
- If you don't have a really strong 3g sinal switch to 2g mode
- Set the screen to go off after 30 second or 1 minute
- Use a magnetic flip cover so it automatically awakes your device and also automatically makes the screen go off when you close it
- Do not use apps known for their heavy impact on battery !VERY IMPORTANT! ( Use Chrome to access facebook, don't let your online messaging apps be always on, etc.)
- Don't use wifi with a bad signal, well, better said don't use any network with a low signal or else your battery will drain fast. Enable Air plain mode if your network signal is really low.
- Keep your internal storage with >600MB of free storage
- Use only simple methods of unlocking your phone (Don't use anything that uses location services, camera, microphone, etc.)
- Do not let apps being always on using network services like GPS (adjust the app setting so it only uses when you use the app)
- Get rid of any app you installed but don't need
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Tasker: Making your phone more efficient
- Create a profile that goes on while you have AC power connected and when it goes on it enables Wi-fi and Auto-Sync, when it goes off it disables those features.
- Create another profile that repeats from the time you wake up until the average time you go to bed, and make it repeat every 2 or more hours (depends on your sync needs). What it should do is enable auto.sync, wait 3 minutes, then disable auto-sync
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Congratulations now you have a true smartphone with a good battery life!
I think I didn't forget about anything, but if I did I will edit this post.
Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
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Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
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For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
rbmaster said:
For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
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Actually, disable any unused or unwanted app and install Greenify to force quit the rest of these apps you can't disable.
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*Duplicate Thread*
The guide how to get the best possible battery life on your moto g deals with all this and goes into advanced and root methods to reduce battery consumption on your device
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*Duplicate Thread*
The guide how to get the best possible battery life on your moto g deals with all this and goes into advanced and root methods to reduce battery consumption on your device
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It's not a duplicate thread. In your guide the goal is to have the best battery life possible but for that it compromises a lot of the features that makes the phone smart, it compromises convenience of use for every 0.01% of battery life possible.
I read it and it's a well written guide but with a very different goal. The goal of this guide is to have a good battery life while having most of the smart features available.
Sorry, you have too much conflicting info in this guide. Having auto brightness enabled certainly doesn't make it a smart phone and definitely not set at 60%. Suggesting having data always on isn't always a good move, especially for those with limited data.
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Sorry, you have too much conflicting info in this guide. Having auto brightness enabled certainly doesn't make it a smart phone and definitely not set at 60%. Suggesting having data always on isn't always a good move, especially for those with limited data.
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Auto = automatically, that's a smart feature, it adjusts the brightness of the screen automatically. Nowadays, the way it is programmed makes it way more battery efficient than before. Adjusting it at a maximum of 60% is just a guideline, but 60% auto brightness is not 60% brightness., the value is just a guideline for the auto brightness algorithm.
About the data always on, having data on doesn't require that much extra power, it only drains more power IF some application requests data. While not the most efficient solution, in Android Lollipop there's no better way to keep feature like auto.sync on without having the data always on, unless you have root access. If you have root access you can set up tasker to automatically enable and disable mobile data when the phone tries to auto.sync and/or when the screen is on.
As I said previously, this is a guide for everyone, no root access required, and the goal is to have the phone with as many smart features on as possible while retaining a good enough battery life. You can have all those features on and still have a good battery life, is it worth to disable most of the features of our phones just to gain a little extra battery life? I mean, if you really want to make your phone's battery last weeks just turn it off ^^'. Now seriously, I have auto-sync for all the features I need, I have location services apps all running fine, I can pair my Bluetooth devices just by turning them on, I can simply open the gps app in my car and it will get signal without me doing anything else, I can take a picture and immediately send to someone over the internet without having to do anything else, and many many other features I have that I wouldn't if I just turned everything off to get a little extra battery. Not worth for me, I want a smartphone, I want to take it out of my pocket and having it ready to use.
Follow this guide and check the difference in battery life it makes, than tell me if it is not worth. Well, for certain profiles I can see it not being worth, I mean if you use your phone primarily for gaming or if you don't use almost any of the feature a smartphone has, I can totally see the point in having them turned off.
Edit: Forgot to talk about the limited data plans. I have a very limited data plan, 500MB per month but communication apps don't have a limit on my data plan (facebook, skype, what's app, snapshot, etc). I never used the 500MB of the mobile data, when wi fi is available I use it and only transfer large files over wifi, so as you can see even 500MB is enough to browse the web and sync my services. If you don't have a data plan or yours not enough for you then you have to choices: 1- Get a data plan suitable for your needs; 2- Disable Mobile Data. Back to the guide, there's people too with limited data plans in their home connections, using wifi, should I tell everyone to have wi fi always turned off because of those people?
If your data plan has limitations, that's something you have to take in mind but has nothing to do with the phone itself. If I have no money for a vehicle, I have to travel by foot, should I tell everyone to travel by foot? I hope you get my point and sorry for the wall of text.
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It's not a duplicate thread. In your guide the goal is to have the best battery life possible but for that it compromises a lot of the features that makes the phone smart, it compromises convenience of use for every 0.01% of battery life possible.
I read it and it's a well written guide but with a very different goal. The goal of this guide is to have a good battery life while having most of the smart features available.
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Dude, not trying to argue with you here, I'm just saying that everything you've mentioned here is also in my guide. People can pick and choose what they want from it.
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I have auto-sync for all the features I need, I have location services apps all running fine, I can pair my Bluetooth devices just by turning them on, I can simply open the gps app in my car and it will get signal without me doing anything else, I can take a picture and immediately send to someone over the internet without having to do anything else, and many many other features I have that I wouldn't if I just turned everything off to get a little extra battery. Not worth for me, I want a smartphone, I want to take it out of my pocket and having it ready to use.
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I can do everything you just said on my phone. I haven't sacrificed any smart capabilities, but I also get 3 days usage from my phone In fact, with tasker, I don't have to do any switching on or off. It does it all for me. That's the point of it, and why it is such a good battery saver.
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Dude, not trying to argue with you here, I'm just saying that everything you've mentioned here is also in my guide. People can pick and choose what they want from it.
I can do everything you just said on my phone. I haven't sacrificed any smart capabilities, but I also get 3 days usage from my phone In fact, with tasker, I don't have to do any switching on or off. It does it all for me. That's the point of it, and why it is such a good battery saver.
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Following your guide you get: No no bluetooth, no network connection during the night, no location services, no auto-brightness, no possibility to download files over wifi while the screen is off, etc. Of course people could read it and chose only what they want, but then they wouldn't be following your guide.
What I suggest in this guide is a very different approach from yours. In this guide, the goal is to have the most features on as possible, while having a good battery life. The goal of your guide is to have the maximum battery life while the phone is on while maintaining basic functionality.
Different approach, different goal, I don't see how this can be seen as a duplicate.
Edit: Oh, and to follow your guide there's the need to have root access.
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Following your guide you get: No no bluetooth, no network connection during the night, no location services, no auto-brightness, no possibility to download files over wifi while the screen is off, etc. Of course people could read it and chose only what they want, but then they wouldn't be following your guide.
What I suggest in this guide is a very different approach from yours. In this guide, the goal is to have the most features on as possible, while having a good battery life. The goal of your guide is to have the maximum battery life while the phone is on while maintaining basic functionality.
Different approach, different goal, I don't see how this can be seen as a duplicate.
Edit: Oh, and to follow your guide there's the need to have root access.
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Why do you need network services when you are asleep? Bluetooth is available whenever you want, just use tasker to automate it. Similarly, use tasker to automate location services. I clearly say in the guide that if you *need* auto brightness you can adjust it to your own specification using gravitybox. Its perfectly easy to download files when the screen is off, just change the the threshold in tasker. Admittedly, I didn't mention that, but If that's the only problem, I can add that into the tutorial
You don't need root access for all of the tutorial. I have a whole section devoted to basic ROM settings, which has everything you have in your op. Plus tasker and greenify sections that don't necessarily need root for everything.
But whatever, you know best.
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Why do you need network services when you are asleep? Bluetooth is available whenever you want, just use tasker to automate it. Similarly, use tasker to automate location services. I clearly say in the guide that if you *need* auto brightness you can adjust it to your own specification using gravitybox. Its perfectly easy to download files when the screen is off, just change the the threshold in tasker. Admittedly, I didn't mention that, but If that's the only problem, I can add that into the tutorial
You don't need root access for all of the tutorial. I have a whole section devoted to basic ROM settings, which has everything you have in your op. Plus tasker and greenify sections that don't necessarily need root for everything.
But whatever, you know best.
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I don't understand what's your point. You go into another thread (this thread) and start to make comparisons between your guide and this guide. They are two different guides and in no point I refer to your guide. This is just another guide, and the goal of the guide is clearly explained in the OP. This is not a contest to see who's guide is better as far as I know.
And I'll repeat one more time, to make more advanced automation tasks using tasker (like enabling and disabling network access) you need root access, specially in Android Lollipop. You also need root access for greenify and similar apps. This guide is for everyone, no root required for anything. People see it, and follow if they like. After following they check how their phone is performing. If it's performing to their expectations great, if not they will probably check other guides until they find something they like..
About Bluetooth, I suggest you to read first on how Bluetooth 4.0 works first before arguing about it. You can start here, in the good old Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy
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For Greenify to work as intended you need to have root access on your device. For those with root access Greenify can be a great way to freeze apps you really need but are programmed to be always running in the background. Without root access Greenify to work automatically consumes a lot of battery because it needs to turn on your screen while the device is asleep.
I decided to not talk about root methods to keep this guide accessible to everyone
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I don't have rooted phone and I'm using manually Greenify & Greenify shortcut hibernate & lock to shut down apps, which sometimes automatically starts. As I don't play games, listen music and chat, phone is quite usable with this setup. With KitKat (I think most is the same with LolliPop) I made a list of the disabled apps:
android live wallpapers
aonlt
assist
audio effects
basic daydreams
bowsermessage
bubbles
chrome (using boat browser)
com.android.provider.partber
com.android.wallpaper.holospirit
com.motorola.mesh
com.motorola.multisimsettings
com.motorola.interfaceperm
com.qualcomm.qcom_qmi
configupdates
cqatest
devicemanagement
email (using profimail)
echange services
face unlock
fm radio
gallery (using quickpick)
gmail
google korean keyboard
google launcher config (using apex launcher)
google one time init
google partner setup
google play movies
google play kiosk
google play music
google play games
google play books
google hindy input
google keyboard (using multiling)
google voice
google pinyin input
goole ++
hangouts
help
hp print service plugin
html viewer
iwnn ime
iwnn keyboard
magic smoke wallpapers
market feedback agent
motorola alert
motorola boot services
motorola checkin
motorola contextual services
motorola migrate
motorola notification
motorola one time init
music visulaization wallpapers
oma client provisioning
phasebeam
photo screensavers
picasa uploader
cloudprinting
preset
print spooler
setupwizard
setup
talkback
trusted devices
youtube
I tried this guide and I can confirm that there's is a noticeable increase in battery life. My phone isn't rooted, and all my attempts to keep battery consumption as low as possible in the past resulted in having a phone by far less "smart" than it is now. Many thanks rbmaster .
I really couldn't follow that other guide there were too many applications it was too lengthy, this one really seems to the best, disabled everything I was told + going to download the app tasker.
So yeah, I've been using nexus 5 prior I got this phone. It had 2 gigs of ram too. When I was getting RN2 I thought I won't face any ram related problems, but I was wrong. It feels like I have 1 gig of ram judging on phone's ability to keep apps in memory. Chrome is capable of keeping only 1 tab in memory, and not for a long time. I'm sick of seeing everything being reloaded every time I go back to it. Any thoughts on this?
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No need to tell me about 'lock' feature in recents, it's just useless.
I set up my own battery profile using the security app. Security - Battery - Battery Profiles. In here I changed the Clean Memory to never.
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I use the default profile, and it already has 'never' option picked. And as far as I can judge, this features is meant to be an automatic task killer sorta. The device's problem is in poor ram management, 2 gigs of ram is simply not enough for it, which is kinda 'wtf', considering my nexus experience.
Try freeze build in apps, root first, then use titanium backup or link2sd
If you're using MIUI, there's nothing you can do to lower RAM used by the system and get more RAM available for your apps. I personally clear my apps before use, but the apps I got start fast and are mainly utilities. The only app I lock is School Assistant because it warns me of my classes and exams at University.
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So yeah, I've been using nexus 5 prior I got this phone. It had 2 gigs of ram too. When I was getting RN2 I thought I won't face any ram related problems, but I was wrong. It feels like I have 1 gig of ram judging on phone's ability to keep apps in memory. Chrome is capable of keeping only 1 tab in memory, and not for a long time. I'm sick of seeing everything being reloaded every time I go back to it. Any thoughts on this?
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No need to tell me about 'lock' feature in recents, it's just useless.
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Hi.
Im on Xiaomi.eu 5.10.16 with Google Now launcher. No problem having a lot of tabs open in Chrome.
Its smooth and stable. No ram issues. No better or worse than my Nexus 5.
My experience is that using task killers etc only making things worse. We better leave ram management to the os alone
Thanks
Knievel.
Well, I don't use any task killer or something. I just experience ram shortage symptoms.
Kinda late, but eh...
It's not really RAM shortage, but MIUI's asinine memory "optimization". It basically kicks any apps (even active ones!) from RAM after a while. I've been foaming at the mouth blaming my media player for simply disappearing mid-song randomly without any error messages, when I stumbled over the "memory optimization" setting in developer options. Looking around on the net brought me here. Disabled that sucker, rebooted, no disappearing apps anymore. The phone feels as smooth as it did before, so the usual low memory killer settings work. Tweaked them a bit using kernel adiutor and I'm more than happy. You could also try this in addition, but I wasn't able to get it to run smoothly - apparently an exception. Idle RAM usage fell significantly, though.
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Kinda late, but eh...
It's not really RAM shortage, but MIUI's asinine memory "optimization". It basically kicks any apps (even active ones!) from RAM after a while. I've been foaming at the mouth blaming my media player for simply disappearing mid-song randomly without any error messages, when I stumbled over the "memory optimization" setting in developer options. Looking around on the net brought me here. Disabled that sucker, rebooted, no disappearing apps anymore. The phone feels as smooth as it did before, so the usual low memory killer settings work. Tweaked them a bit using kernel adiutor and I'm more than happy. You could also try this in addition, but I wasn't able to get it to run smoothly - apparently an exception. Idle RAM usage fell significantly, though.
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You're talking about 1 or 2 ?
One, memory optimization. Disabling two, MIUI optimization, is a bit overkill, since it also removes the recent tasks management.
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... since it also removes the recent tasks management.
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There are a thousand and one apps that do that.
@Crim Soukyuu Task manager doesn't dissappear - it can be re-assigned to any button by going into Settings - Additional Settings - Buttons
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There are a thousand and one apps that do that.
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But why would you want to use them instead of the built-in one? If you disable MIUI optimizations, you might as well use an un-mutilated AOSP/CM ROM.
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@Crim Soukyuu Task manager doesn't dissappear - it can be re-assigned to any button by going into Settings - Additional Settings - Buttons
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I based my statement on what DarthJabba9 said in the Skinny Pro thread:
DarthJabba9 said:
Disable "Turn on MIUI optimization" in the developer options (if you have enabled developer options). After this, you will have to close down recent apps manually (I use "RecentTask" from the Play Store).
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In any case, to get rid off the symptoms @sxeMonster was having, it's enough to disable "Memory optimization" in the developer options.
maow425 said:
I set up my own battery profile using the security app. Security - Battery - Battery Profiles. In here I changed the Clean Memory to never.
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I can confirm the clean memory setting is a major reason for poor battery life,
I've set it to never and my battery life is much better.
Regards
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One, memory optimization. Disabling two, MIUI optimization, is a bit overkill, since it also removes the recent tasks management.
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That's correct, no need to disable MIUI optimisation.
Memory optimisation option is basically Zram,
I've got it disabled, too.
Haven't had any ram issues and it can still keep a dozen or so apps on the background before android starts killing them.
Regards
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But why would you want to use them instead of the built-in one? If you disable MIUI optimizations, you might as well use an un-mutilated AOSP/CM ROM.
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Non sequitur. MIUI optimizations are not the only (or even the main) difference between MIUI ROMS and AOSP/CM ROMs.
Sequitur or non sequitur, you haven't answered my question - why would I want to disable MIUI optimization instead of only memory optimization?
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Sequitur or non sequitur, you haven't answered my question - why would I want to disable MIUI optimization instead of only memory optimization?
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Your question was "But why would you want to use them instead of the built-in one?" The answer is "This is a very small price to pay for removing MIUI optimization". Disabling memory optimisation may do the deal for you - but it did not solve all my problems.
I will refer you to the following which is in response to issues that have been raised here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-2/development/b-skinny-pro-t3347906/page9#post66369078
I disabled a few things given by @jajk , I think the most important one for multi tasking is the battery saver, it closes apps and restricts backgroud activity.
Not only that but too much crap is held in memory by miui.
Get disable service and disable:
InCallUI - CallRecordingRemoteService
Security - SecurityCenterAnalyticsService + SecurityCenterService + PowerSaveService --- it still works just not held in memory
Settings - MiuiWifiService + ObserverService ---- Wifi still works
GooglePlayServices - I disabled a few things I don't need and everything works for me except Gmail account sms verification, I had to put in the code manually.
Default SMS app stays in memory for some reason, I disabled it and using google messenger, just gotta disable wearable service
If disabled it breaks SMS, just disable SmsReportService, SMS works that way. Also in settings disable auto download MMS.
I'm getting 600-700 free ram and apps stay in cache much longer. Outside of settings it reaches 800 Free memory + all apps still in cache
Screenshots: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a7lq8k5jzo2htcc/AAByd8UBFR4AKAiS9Rcg-dWTa?dl=0
I would prefer better memory management than High Free Memory, because Linux is good already with Memory Management.
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