I personally think that this is a major milestone for any mobile phone yet, no one seems to be talking about it. Why is that?
Isn't this sort of stuff supposed to make waves in getting 802.11ac into mainstream use? These are the type of headlines that should be discussed to death and made a big deal out of yet it just had a little mention in the launch and not a lot of new stories about what draft it was and which routers today would be best suited etc etc.
Discuss please?
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Ok agreed, this is a monster on paper, but it will be suitably replaced next year with a 16 core device maybe. or better yet, some sort of cloud service driven by LTE network speeds with hundreds of supercomputers working in tandem, only to fall back on local CPU power if the cloud is not available or loss of signal (I love speculating).
BUT !!! and its a big BUT!, 802.11ac will be here for a good few years, way past the Galaxy S4's shelf life.
This phone will drive the prices down for ac wifi routers and hotspots, however I dont think that this is the final version of 802.11ac which is why they are all hush hush about it?
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I can't wait till April. The launching of the new Samsung Galaxy S4 is one of my most awaited event. This phone is taking us to the next level folks!
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Ok agreed, this is a monster on paper, but it will be suitably replaced next year with a 16 core device maybe. or better yet, some sort of cloud service driven by LTE network speeds with hundreds of supercomputers working in tandem, only to fall back on local CPU power if the cloud is not available or loss of signal (I love speculating).
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Pity your not good at it
8 cores are really 4 powerful cores and 4 battery saying cores that will be the way of the future not 16 cores lol
BUT !!! and its a big BUT!, 802.11ac will be here for a good few years, way past the Galaxy S4's shelf life.
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Well that makes sense
This phone will drive the prices down for ac wifi routers and hotspots, however I dont think that this is the final version of 802.11ac which is why they are all hush hush about it?
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Nope people are stupid they didn't even mention the processor or even android in the announcement
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alitech said:
I personally think that this is a major milestone for any mobile phone yet, no one seems to be talking about it. Why is that?
Isn't this sort of stuff supposed to make waves in getting 802.11ac into mainstream use? These are the type of headlines that should be discussed to death and made a big deal out of yet it just had a little mention in the launch and not a lot of new stories about what draft it was and which routers today would be best suited etc etc.
Discuss please?
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I think most of us doesn't have an AC router yet. But it's definitely futureproof with AC. My PS3 still uses Wireless G for god's sake.
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Pity your not good at it
8 cores are really 4 powerful cores and 4 battery saying cores that will be the way of the future not 16 cores lol
Well that makes sense
Nope people are stupid they didn't even mention the processor or even android in the announcement
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Are you saying that there will be no 16 core CPU's in the future? Its like Bill Gates saying back in the 80s that no one will ever need more than 8kb of RAM. If you are referring to the S4, yes, I know 4 cores for processing and the other 4 for battery saving lighter tasks. This however has not stopped Samsung marketing the device as an 8 core beast.
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Are you saying that there will be no 16 core CPU's in the future? Its like Bill Gates saying back in the 80s that no one will ever need more than 8kb of RAM. If you are referring to the S4, yes, I know 4 cores for processing and the other 4 for battery saving lighter tasks. This however has not stopped Samsung marketing the device as an 8 core beast.
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Samsung haven't marketed it that way
we have
they simply didn't explain (they did at mwc though but not at launch) and allowed people to speculate
And I said there won't be 16 core phones next year I never said anything about the future
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Are you saying that there will be no 16 core CPU's in the future? Its like Bill Gates saying back in the 80s that no one will ever need more than 8kb of RAM. If you are referring to the S4, yes, I know 4 cores for processing and the other 4 for battery saving lighter tasks. This however has not stopped Samsung marketing the device as an 8 core beast.
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We have enough threads on cores already.... Can we please make way for a new topic?
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Samsung haven't marketed it that way
we have
they simply didn't explain (they did at mwc though but not at launch) and allowed people to speculate
And I said there won't be 16 core phones next year I never said anything about the future
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You did say future though, nothing about next year. Come on, scroll up, go on
Anyways, enough of that. Back to the subject.
Does anyone know which draft of 802.11ac the S4 has? IEEE have not yet finalized the standard yet. Is there a possibility that this ac chip that Samsung have sourced for the S4 may become redundant if IEEE change the AC specs?
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I think most of us doesn't have an AC router yet. But it's definitely futureproof with AC. My PS3 still uses Wireless G for god's sake.
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Only because they are bloody expensive to buy. What if the S4 can turn this around and make these affordable for all? With the launch of this device, maybe, just maybe, the following happens
1. Demand intensifies
2. Competition want to offer the same functionality and hardware (APPLE, HTC, NOKIA, HEAIWEEEEEEEEEE, LG)
3. Hype and buzz intensifies
4. News stories pop up all over the place faster than ever about the AC spec and how amazingly super fast it is
5. A lot of manufacturers trialing and testing AC routers and hardware
6. Prices become affordable as volume units start making their way worldwide
7. Price come down futher by retailers trying to outsell each other with deals / discounts / coupons / promotions
8. Eventually ISP's start giving these out for free to their ADSL and fibre customers
9. People begin to reap the benefits of up to 1.7GB speeds over wifi
10. The whole world forgets about 802.11n like it never existed
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You did say future though, nothing about next year. Come on, scroll up, go on
Anyways, enough of that. Back to the subject.
Does anyone know which draft of 802.11ac the S4 has? IEEE have not yet finalized the standard yet. Is there a possibility that this ac chip that Samsung have sourced for the S4 may become redundant if IEEE change the AC specs?
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U said next year it was implied
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Please stick to the topic now?
Wonder why this thread has made its way to the Q&A troubleshooting area?
To be honest 802.11ac in the first wave is going to be kind of pointless. In reality it is basically just 802.11n with wider channels. 802.11b ---> 802.11g are big changes. 802.11g ---> 802.11n are big changes. 802.11n ---> 802.11ac, not so much.
It doesn't say buy I am guessing it is going to be a 1x1:1 like the SIII. I would rather have a 2x2:2 802.11n that a 1x1 802.11ac
Here is how it works out.
SIII - 802.11n 1x1:1 at 40mhz = 150mbps
Nexus 10 - 802.11n 2x2:2 at 40mhz = 300mbps
S4 - 802.11n 1x1:1 at 80mhz=325mbps
the Nexus 10 has two antennas and radios compared to the SIII or S4. It should be able to hear and transmit better.
WiFi has a **** load of overhead so you normally get about half of your connection rate in real throughput. With that said I only get about 90mbps with iPerf when my Nexus 10 is connected at 300mbps. It is like the bus on the thing can't hang. Copying files from a server with ES file explorer is super slow.
I haven't played with an s4 but the bottleneck on the other devices isn't the wifi.
WiFivomFranMan said:
To be honest 802.11ac in the first wave is going to be kind of pointless. In reality it is basically just 802.11n with wider channels. 802.11b ---> 802.11g are big changes. 802.11g ---> 802.11n are big changes. 802.11n ---> 802.11ac, not so much.
It doesn't say buy I am guessing it is going to be a 1x1:1 like the SIII. I would rather have a 2x2:2 802.11n that a 1x1 802.11ac
Here is how it works out.
SIII - 802.11n 1x1:1 at 40mhz = 150mbps
Nexus 10 - 802.11n 2x2:2 at 40mhz = 300mbps
S4 - 802.11n 1x1:1 at 80mhz=325mbps
the Nexus 10 has two antennas and radios compared to the SIII or S4. It should be able to hear and transmit better.
WiFi has a **** load of overhead so you normally get about half of your connection rate in real throughput. With that said I only get about 90mbps with iPerf when my Nexus 10 is connected at 300mbps. It is like the bus on the thing can't hang. Copying files from a server with ES file explorer is super slow.
I haven't played with an s4 but the bottleneck on the other devices isn't the wifi.
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Very useful indeed. Thanks
AC router
I currently own an AC router... Since I live in the UK and Broadband Speeds are just well totally b**l s**t, there's not really much of a point of ac on that basis N is more than capable of reaching speed of up to 300 mbps
Till broadband speeds dont catch up with the N there's not much really any point of ac
only time i think ac will actually benefit a user is particular when media streaming or wifi file-sharing and that also having the actual host connected via Ethernet or ac.
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I personally think that this is a major milestone for any mobile phone yet, no one seems to be talking about it. Why is that?
Isn't this sort of stuff supposed to make waves in getting 802.11ac into mainstream use? These are the type of headlines that should be discussed to death and made a big deal out of yet it just had a little mention in the launch and not a lot of new stories about what draft it was and which routers today would be best suited etc etc.
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So what? The majority of internet service providers in most countries don't even provide enough bandwidth to saturate 802.11g.
802.11n and 11ac are good for transferring huge files from a desktop to a laptop, but really, not of much use on a phone. g alone is sufficient to stream a 1080p H.264 stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=apIyGB6wwC4
I'm located in the USA and currently using a Netgear R6300 AC Dual-Band Router and can only get the S4 to connect at 802.11G @ 54Mbps. I see no options to change the band speeds to 2.4Ghz/5Ghz which 802.11AC runs on the 5Ghz band. Very disappointed on Wifi and feel Samsung made false advertising... I realize AC is technically [draft] but the S4 should atleast connect using 802.11N.
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Is that even possible?
Hummingbird Chipset
My guess would be that the Samsung Hummingbird chipset only supports 7.2 Mbps. Same as with the GSM Galaxy S series handsets.
many reasons why it may not be there. but you still get up to 7.2Mbps down which is very good.
Whoa your totally the 1st person to notice this and post about it......
To me, it doesn't matter. I live in a HSPA+ area and have never even come close to getting 7.2Mbps on a G2. Let alone HSPA+ speeds.
How many networks actually support those speeds anyways ?? I mean in reality not on paper. Besides, 7Mbps is enough for all mobile needs, a youtube 720p HD video averages around 2Mbps which is the highest bandwidth consuming task I can think of. Unless you are planning to tether it to a laptop and download huge files, which IMO is not a requirement for many users, since mobile data is pretty expensive.
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Whoa your totally the 1st person to notice this and post about it......
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lol Anyways whats the big deal. 99% person of the world is not on 4G yet
I know we wanted everything from this phone but its not to be
I don't care since in my country we don't even have 4G so that would be completely useless.
But I understand entirely you're complaining about it, they're expected to make progress not regression(but that's technology, constructers choose what we will get...).
It's true "4G" isn't prominent right now. I'm guessing the disappointment comes when you try to see Nexus S as a phone into 2011, and beyond. Dropping $529 dollars for a phone that won't be taking advantage of "4G" speeds which all carriers are moving toward and pushing for, and which handsets are already featuring, doesn't seem future-proof, and maybe even a step back. It doesn't live up to the Nexus branding.
Agreed. I've decided to stay with my Samsung Epic (which has a bad ESN that I bought for $300 and I am using as an Android touch), and wait it out. When phones that come out that are compare to the Galaxy S as how the Nexus One overshadowed the Hero, I'll probably upgrade. Not then ... it's not worth selling my current phone.
I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.
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I feel the same way as you. Im not going to say its a bad phone but we all had such high expectations. Who knows maybe LG might make the next NEXUS. I switched from my N1 because that was already starting go get me mad. I use to hate my brothers Vibrant because the screen was so amazing. So my Pros overpower the Cons so ill stick to it. Maybe when the new LG comes out ill jump on it, but i HATE branded phones. loaded with a bunch of crap i don't need.
Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.
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I just read that the LG Optimus 2x with dual core is coming out in March, and apparently for Tmobile. It will most likely be 4G also.
This makes my new Nexus S seem outdated already. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster".
At that moment I couldn't open my mouth to say that my new phone which i dropped over $500 for, couldn't connect to 4g. I just played it off and changed topics.
Anyways that was my small rant, I'm sure others feel the same.
LG OPTIMUS currently has:
TEGRA 2
HDMI Mirroring
4 INCH WVGA Display
8gb Internal
MicroSD Slot
8MP camera
front facing camera
DLNA out of the box
With CES right around the corner, I'm glad I have 30 days to return the Nexus S.
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i agree with most but now the negatives.
- no community support " really, who buys an LG phone here? "
- its 2.2, they promised 2.3 which will probably be ****ty just like 2.2 on Galaxy S
- for sure no Android 3.0
- its an LG phone. how many times i have to say it ?
in paper, the Lg 2X is amazing. will i buy one ? probably i will. i think think the nexus S is a disspointment in terms of power
its not a bad phone. its just a galaxy S with better software " no rfs bull**** " and support by google. so android 3.0 is coming
plus. its a 3 months away. you could always buy the nexus S and sell it later if that phone is better. BUT if you already have nexus 1 or newer, then yeah dont spend money on nexus S
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Already threads open about this. Android is also not optimized yet for dual core, so have fun with utilizing only one core.
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please dont post bull****. thank you and good bye
I suspect the shipped units will have kernels that're set up just fine.
Also just because LG doesn't have a big dev following yet, doesn't mean it wont when this comes out. This could be the thing that starts it off for them.
I seriously thought about waiting for the LG phone, primarily because of the Tegra2 and the 8MP camera. There was one major reason I didn't wait:
Straight Google Experience.
I am sick and tired of waiting for months on end for manufacturers and carriers to update the OS. And I'm tired of wondering if a manufacturer will update an OS for a phone at all.
Sure, the developers here on XDA are amazing, but they still need hardware drivers from the manufacturers to work their magic.
I just wanted to know that I was going to have a phone that Google supported.
Dudes-
It's not like you didn't know the specs before buying the thing. LOL.
Seriously, some of the design decisions on the phone are mind-boggling (no AT&T support like the Vibrant has, no "4G" support, no external sdcard, etc), but we knew these decisions before purchasing.
Personally, I love Galaxy S phones, and this is the best looking, best fitting in my hand of the lot, but I'd been using an i9000 on AT&T and in the areas of Los AngelesI frequent, the AT&T service is better overall than T-Mo. If the phone were 4G, I'd put up with the poorer coverage of T-Mo, but as is, the T-Mo service has me 50/50 on keeping the phone or not.
I have to disagree with the above comment that if you have a Nexus One this upgrade doesn't make sense. The much superior 4" SAMOLED vs. the 3.7" AMOLED screen is reason enough to dump the N1 for the NS, especially if you spend any time in the sunlight. The vastly superior multi-touch touch screen of the NS is also reason enough to switch, IMHO.
To each his own, though.
I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?
4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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I wouldn't worry about it cause we all know that t-mobile doesn't have 4g, It's just hspa+. And even though the nexus s doesn't support it, you still can see slightly increased speeds simply because the network backhaul is increased so that the full 7.2Mbps is achieved on the nexus s. Nexus s owners are already reporting actual download speeds near 6Mbps. Don't you think that is fast enough for video calls fast enough to future proof this phone for at least the next year?
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HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.
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HSPA+, 4G, whatever you want to call it...4G is just a marketing term and geeks can debate what it is and isn't, but that doesn't change the fact that there are two different networks in T-Mo's arsenal now (HSPA and HSPA+) and that one of them is capable of significantly higher speeds than the other. The 4G/not-4G talk is pointless.
I haven't done a lot of testing with the NS and data speeds yet; haven't had a chance with work so busy right now. I think I got around 3000Kb/s the other day, which is respectable.
I'm in Los Angeles, and we have the HSPA+ upgrade in my local area.
Near the Van Nuys airport, where I spend most of my away-from-wifi time, my Nexus One was getting a consistent 4000Kb/s, but I've never seen more than 4400 or so. Pretty impressive, but nowhere near the 6-7.2Mb/s. Also not nearly so impressive when I consider that my iPhone 4 and Galaxy S i9000 both get consistent 3000Kb/s speeds on AT&T.
3000-4000Kb/s really is fast enough for most uses, but when the network's newest phones are offering speeds 50-100% faster and then release a "flagship device" as people are calling the NS, it's a bit disappointing to not be part of the fastest crowd.
As I mentioned above, the lack of HSPA+ isn't a deal breaker for me, but the T-Mo service in general makes this a much less attractive phone for me as my primary device. My N1 had been relegated to wifi-hotspot/tethering-the-laptop duties since last July.
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I second that. And pple keep talking about this tegra 2 crap what really are you gonna use dual core for? I mean lets be senseful here? With Gingerbread this phone is already fast and and pretty much polished. Tegra 2 is probably gonna be a battery hog. And this phone is gonna be full of LG/TMO bloatware, and no support at all its gonna be atuck at 2.3 for ever. That's 'IF' it even releases on 2.3. Anf Honestly who wants an LG phone c'mon now. Return your phone and you shall regret. Trust me the Nexus S is sold out pretty much everywhere when u return it and try to change ur mind to get it again its gonna be gone.. And I know thats gonna happen
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4G technology doesn't exist yet period. Not on T-mobile, not on Sprint, not on Verzion.
Is "4G" (HSPA+) even available in your area?
Better specs don't necessarily equate to a better phone, you might feel like it's outdated only a few months later. I say stick with your Nexus S for at least a year and see what's out then
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I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.
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I live 10 mins away from NYC so 4G is in my area. I understand completely what everyone else here is saying but I'm just thinking that with all these potential dual core devices coming out, that makes the Nexus S not future proof regardless of Google's support or not. This will also make the resale value drop gradually compared to the original Nexus which was a BEAST of a phone when it came out, and still hangs with the best now.
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So let me ask you something. Are dual core phones gonna drop the iPhone 4 value as well? I mean its gonna be single core for a while chances are the next one will STILL be single core.
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.. Man I really like the phone but the fact that it doesnt support 4G was already a big hit for me, but I still got it. I didnt realize how much it really affected me until the other day I was talking with a friend who has an Evo and hes "let's see if this face time app works". I said sure, and connected to the my wifi signal, so we're trying to connect and he's like "man, connect to the 4g signal maybe its faster"...
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Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
10:45 http://www.phonedog.com/videos/google-nexus-s-vs-mytouch-4g-dogfight-pt-2/
So whats the big deal everyone is dying for 4G? This reminds me of the Iphone4 vs HTC Evo video lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
I hardly even get 2 megabits where I live.If you're area had HSPA+ its capped at what 6.5 isnt that enough for video chat?Also he had sprint maybe better coverage where you were and had nothing to do with 4g
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Oooo the great "4G" lol
Haven't people watch the dogfight of Nexus S vs MyTouch 4G where they compare speed test side by side in a HSPA+ coverage area? And guess what, the greatest "4G" came slower than the out of date "slower" 3G, not only once but all three consecutive tests.
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One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.
The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.
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The problem is this; there will be a newer and more powerful handset released every X number of months.
The Nexus S is a great phone that has pros and cons just like all the other leading Android phones.
If you fall into upgrading/swapping for every newer piece of hardware that drops you will be spending a great deal of cash and will never truly be content.
It's always give and take. I will give up "4G" and a dual core CPU for quicker updates and a pure Android experience. The hardware is still top notch.
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EXACTLY.....& T-MOBILE 3G coverage is not even everywhere yet so what makes them think 4G will be everywhere in the next few months??
Might as well never get a phone then, since new phones come out every month or two, you'll end up waiting forever.
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One guy's results, in one location, really don't make the NS the clear winner. On top of that, they're hardly conclusive...less than 100Kb/s difference on 2/3, only 2Kb/s on one of them. LOL
All cellular/wireless experiences are just like real estate...location, location, location is all that matters. The guy even says he's not getting full HSPA+ service for some reason in his location for the last few days.
Take both phones to a confirmed working HSPA+ location and test again, multiple times at different times of the day and against different servers if you really want to prove/disprove the theory here.
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- I can tell you for sure 80% of cities with HSPA+ you will get the same speed on a non HSPA+ device. If the OP is not even getting a good 3G how can he get a good HSPA+.
- That will be 2 guys test. The second one is me. I had the G2 ("4G") and I tested its speed in Miami, FL (definitely HSPA+ area) and there was no difference at ALL, different times, different locations.
- I'm sure there are places where HSPA+ is a lot faster but thats the minority. If HSPA+ in my were was much faster, sure I will mind, but it is not.
4g may be incompatible with Tegra2.
Maybe thats why we do not have it yet.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/02/motorola-xoom-will-not-see-4g-lte-before-the-galaxy-tab-10-1/
Update:
Nvidia denies being the problem..
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/03/xoom-4g-delay-limps-past-galaxy-tab-10-1-launch/
Yeah too bad its bullsh!t.
More later, I'm about to leave. OUR issue is ONLY about supply.
I like how in the absence of solid information, people pull fantasy out of their asses.
"Tegra 2 has trouble with the handoff between 2g and 3g radios"
Really? The type of SoC has ****-all to do with the pci or radio chips. It's all software to the SoC.
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I like how in the absence of solid information, people pull fantasy out of their asses.
"Tegra 2 has trouble with the handoff between 2g and 3g radios"
Really? The type of SoC has ****-all to do with the pci or radio chips. It's all software to the SoC.
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Exactly. The only issue I see with the tegra2 is its handling of high profile codecs. That could be software as well. Just like mkv support.
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Then why the delay for our LTE. It kind of makes sense a little.
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Cuz verizon is having a hard time rolling out more 4g lte coverage and thier 4g phones.
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I think it's much more likely the logistics of doing the upgrade for so many customers. It's going to require a lot of coordination to do either mail-in or in-store upgrades.
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That shouldn't effect if Motorola upgrades or not...has nothing to do with vz
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Motorola will not upgrade to LTE until their carrier partners, in this case Verizon, are ready. That is just common sense plus I am sure it is.part of their agreement. Why spend the time and money doing a software upgrade when the network isn't ready? All they will end up with is a lot of help desk calls asking why their LTE isn't working and bad press about a failed upgrade.
As for Verizon, they wont give the ok for the upgrade until they have enough of their network upgraded to 4g not to embarrass themselves. If they roll it out with only a few cities ready for 4g it will just stress how many are NOT ready....and all the networks have learned from at&t how much fumbling high speed coverage can hurt their PR and stock price.
If you want to predict when LTE will be available for the Xoom, watch Verizon's network announcements.
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So still leaning towards incompatibilities
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... and from where does this claim come from?
- I've seen the kernel code that controls the LTE modem. Have you?
- I've played around with the connection type that the LTE modem will interface to our devices. Have you?
- I know for a fact that the LTE modems in mini-PCI form-factors are few and far-between, and only two have been certified for the VZ LTE domestic network, and only just recently. Do you?
- I know how the LTE modem will interface to our devices- and how even the speed of LTE is a fraction of that overall interface speed. Do you?
No, you read "something", "somewhere" that says "Tegra 2 is incompatible with LTE", and dammit, that's gotta be why, despite people who know better than you telling you otherwise.
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Better yet i am sorry i started this thread and hop a mod will lock it down....please
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In the meantime, you're not doing anyone any favors by giving airtime to unfounded and implausible rumors.
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ZanshinG1 said:
In the meantime, you're not doing anyone any favors by giving airtime to unfounded and implausible rumors.
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... and from where does this claim come from?
- I've seen the kernel code that controls the LTE modem. Have you?
- I've played around with the connection type that the LTE modem will interface to our devices. Have you?
- I know for a fact that the LTE modems in mini-PCI form-factors are few and far-between, and only two have been certified for the VZ LTE domestic network, and only just recently. Do you?
- I know how the LTE modem will interface to our devices- and how even the speed of LTE is a fraction of that overall interface speed. Do you?
No, you read "something", "somewhere" that says "Tegra 2 is incompatible with LTE", and dammit, that's gotta be why, despite people who know better than you telling you otherwise.
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Refer to updated op..... Ahole
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Ahole
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Whoa- you really are constantly missing the clue train, aren't you?!
- The LTE Modem in the Galaxy Tab, having been planned later than our devices, IS NOT the same mini-PCI LTE radio that's being used in our Xooms, which, no matter how much you say otherwise, is only limited by supply.
- Guess what chipset's in the Galaxy Tab 10? (Here's a hint, as you are running a deficit on them: it's the Tegra 2).
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For the people that were bashing me saying it can't be snapdragon being incompatible with the 4G stack
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The Tegra 2 (by NVidia, used in the Xoom and the Galaxy Tab 10) is NOT the same chipset as the Snapdragon (by Qualcomm).
It must suck to be so wrong, all the time, huh? Is that why you curse at people- anger and frustration?!
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Oh, and:
The Tegra 2 (by NVidia, used in the Xoom and the Galaxy Tab 10) is NOT the same chipset as the Snapdragon (by Qualcomm).
It must suck to be so wrong, all the time, huh? Is that why you curse at people- anger and frustration?!
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Lol....yea your blind or just can't plain read...its ok you don't have to apologize. I accept you for who u are.
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Lol....yea your blind or just can't plain read...its ok you don't have to apologize. I accept you for who u are.
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Please tell me you're joking...did you even read the article *YOU* posted?
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"We can only *assume* he's referring to their decision to go with NVIDIA's Tegra 2 processor (which has been *RUMORED* to not cooperate with 4G LTE radios)"
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They're *assuming* that the *rumor* they heard was true...which it obviously isn't since the same processor is in the new Galaxy Tab 10.1 and it comes with LTE out of the box. If an incompatibility existed the Galaxy Tab wouldn't function on the LTE network, either. Use your brain before spouting rumors and then yelling, swearing, and whining at people who are telling you you're wrong.
So I've been digging into this a bit the last couple of days, and as far as I can tell the Nexus 7 doesn't support wireless N on the 5ghz range, which is sad.
I dig into this, and find others are finding the same: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803798 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1777431
However, I have also looked into the chipset, and AnandTech.com, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1749498, and the Ifixit teardown agree that it is using a BCM4330, which supports Wireless a/b/g/n 2.4ghz and 5ghz, as well as bluetooth 4.0, and fm radio. I took a look at the radio, and the creator of SpiritFM has concluded that the chip's antenna pin isn't connected, and thus why FM isn't working.
So, my question is then; is the lack of 5ghz on the Nexus7 a hardware or software problem?
It would be nice to have the 5ghz wifi range, as my college campus actually uses it a lot.
It's a hardware issue, and I don't think the lack of 5Ghz is a problem when you consider that the wifi chip only supports single stream at a maximum 65 Mbps. There are a few other devices out there that can support up to 72 Mbps, but that's about it. Tablets and smartphones are almost always a few years behind the standards because it's incredibly expensive to manufacture wifi hardware capable of the latest and fastest standards that will fit inside of a mobile device.
Is there any evidence that its a hardware issue? The chip seems to support it, as i said.
People thought the htc dream (tmobile g1) would never run ics or jb, guess what it can! Not well, but its possible.
So why isn't 5ghz possible? No offense, but 1 person saying its not without any clear evidence wont get me to give up.
I never said speed was an issue, its mostly compatibility, cant hardly connect to campus wifi if my device doesn't support 5ghz; and the 2.4ghz bands are crowded in my apartment complex, a single 5ghz router would do wonders.
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The hardware does not support 5ghz. There's nothing more to it.
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The hardware does not support 5ghz. There's nothing more to it.
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Proof? Data? Information? There is nothing that I find that says the chip shouldn't work beyond people saying it shouldn't.
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It was mentioned during the presentation at the IO convention. Don't have a link.
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Proof? Data? Information? There is nothing that I find that says the chip shouldn't work beyond people saying it shouldn't.
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Check the specs on Broadcom's web page.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4330
Single-band 2.4 GHz 802.11 b/g/n or dual-band 2.4 GHz and 5Ghz 802.11 a/b/g/n
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The important part to note is the "or" in the middle of that statement, which means that there are two different versions of the chip. The HTC One X, for instance, has the dual band version. We've got the cheaper single band version in the Nexus 7.
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Check the specs on Broadcom's web page.
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4330
The important part to note is the "or" in the middle of that statement, which means that there are two different versions of the chip. The HTC One X, for instance, has the dual band version. We've got the cheaper single band version in the Nexus 7.
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Blast, curse you broadband and your annoying use of prepositions! Oh well, thank you for the info.
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My nexus 7 connected to my router's 5ghz network for 2 days. But today it couldn't find it anymore
I need to buy a new WiFi router. Would the N10 be able to take advantage of an N900 router over an N600 or N750?
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I need to buy a new WiFi router. Would the N10 be able to take advantage of an N900 router over an N600 or N750?
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Hi,
Got a 900 router, ASUS RT-N66U, nice router BTW.
I did test the tablet in all variations.
On 2.4 GHz it runs 2x2 single channel (20 MHz), 130 Mbits max link rate.
On 5GHz it runs 2x2 dual channel (40 Mhz), 300 Mbits Max link rate.
If you only use the router for the tablet 900 is overkill.
Having that said. I would definitly go for 600 at least.
Avoiding the crowded 2.4 Ghz is worth while.
I looked at smallnetbuilder and checked out routers.
Settled for the RT-N66U because it has excllent firmware support (look for RMerlin) as well as excellent reach on the 5 Ghz band.
Good luck.
Yeah, I've heard nothing but great praise for that Asus. I don't really need a router right now, but am considering getting one because of what I've heard. I think Morfic (Trinity Kernel) researched them all at one point & settled on that one.
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Based on the reviews here and elsewhere I went ahead and ordered the rt-n66u today. With some luck it should be here before the weekend.
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Based on the reviews here and elsewhere I went ahead and ordered the rt-n66u today. With some luck it should be here before the weekend.
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Have a look at http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37
Check out the Merlin subforum, best firmware, stock with bugs ironed out and a few extras.
If you dont have many walls or distance to cross us the N10 on the 5GHz band. rocks. Otherwise make sure you force the 2.4 GHz to single channel (20Mhz) otherwise the N10 seems to get confused.
I usually use dd-wrt. I actually verified compatibility before ordering. I might try this other firmware, but what is the advantage of merlin? I've never heard of it jefore.
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I usually use dd-wrt. I actually verified compatibility before ordering. I might try this other firmware, but what is the advantage of merlin? I've never heard of it jefore.
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Its specific for a few Asus routers, excellent wireless performance and close to original Which is tomatoe based . Have read the through the thread other. Suggest we keep there as it really no longer relevant to the N10.