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Latest News and picture of Shift ! No GPS and Phone for sure out the of Box !

Hi guys, there are more news on the HTC shift, it has been official presented on the 28th in Taiwan by HTC. This is the official retail package and it's 100% what you will get in retail store.
Here is a link for some picture: http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=508252&last=4825702
For those people who can't see the picture, see my attachment of how to show the picture.
My HTC contact was there and he has tested the device, i specific ask him to test on phone and gps function, he report back saying that there is 100% no phone and GPS inside the Shift.
I know a lot of people will say they seen photo of GPS or phone, but that me remind you this, this is the latest official retail version, all device before are prototype. Yes, i have also seen the picture on FCC website showing there is GPS inside, that's the reason I asked my friend to test it! And let me say this again, there will be no GPS or Phone out of the box.
Our hope will be for the developers here in XDA to crack the function to enable full windows mobile, phone, and GPS.
p.s. Another news i got from my friend, HTC is saying the SD slot will only support up to 2GB.

can you getem?
Hi Wu, how are you doing, just wondering like you got me my Dopod, can you get hold of a shift for me? Thanks Dude

faisal.husain said:
Hi Wu, how are you doing, just wondering like you got me my Dopod, can you get hold of a shift for me? Thanks Dude
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Hi Faisal, i am fine thank you. I hope you are doing well too.
Yes i can get the Shift for you, it's currently on pre-order and the device will be available on the 4th of Feb. Price is a bit lower then anywhere else and you will get bonus with it such as GPS and extra battery....etc.
If you are interesting in getting one, please PM me and we can discuss more there !

Hmm.. i´m ordered a sample from our german distributor but now i´m thinking about to cancel the order. We thinking long time ago about a integration of the shift in our company network for our VIP customers. But without gps, without Mobile and without LAN (or can i install Windows over netboot over WLAN??) i should search better for a other solution. there is not really a innovation inside. maybe the better solution with same features is a Toshiba Portégé R400 Series laptop..
but we will see the next on cebit i hope. maybe a other manufactor. we support htc from scratch with their first devices. after over 7000 devices and the problems within it´s time to test a other manufacor i think. maybe asus, samsung

Pre-Order all gone
Please do not ask me any more for HTC Shift, all the 200 unit for pre-order is gone already, first shipment will be on the 4th of Feb, if there is any more stock available, i will let you all know asap.

joy.d said:
Hmm.. i´m ordered a sample from our german distributor but now i´m thinking about to cancel the order. We thinking long time ago about a integration of the shift in our company network for our VIP customers. But without gps, without Mobile and without LAN (or can i install Windows over netboot over WLAN??) i should search better for a other solution. there is not really a innovation inside. maybe the better solution with same features is a Toshiba Portégé R400 Series laptop..
but we will see the next on cebit i hope. maybe a other manufactor. we support htc from scratch with their first devices. after over 7000 devices and the problems within it´s time to test a other manufacor i think. maybe asus, samsung
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weird comment .. I don't see any device being a half of what the Shift is ... and even without GPS, without Phone, without LAN and without full WM6 .. the shift is still the best device on the market for my needs.
WLAN will replace LAN over the time.. so I don't think it is a big mistake, but it could have been great
GPS "should" be in the SHIFT but not in WM6 (GPS in Vista).. but the choice is not perfect (who whant a GPS that is working only 2 hours..)
The Shift is not the perfect device, for everyone, but we have to see the real potential of the shift before crying for any lack of feature.
HTC has announced a "shift" like device with 5" .. maybe it will have GPS, Phone, etc.. we will see

weird - yes of course.. ;-)
i´m think it´s a new strategy of HTC to make devices without completly knows features.
maybe, LAN is only for Enterprise Customers like us with over 200tsd Users worldwide interesting, (automatic Software distribution) but Phone Functionality is interesting some more users. Is not really practicable with a 7" Device, but with BT Headset and Speak Control - why not. GPS is only a nice Addon for freaks like me, they travel around the world.
But overall: you´re need really a device like this? (i call that "the innovation factor" inside ;-)
But it´s really needed? Sometimes i think about Asus EEE PC, there a many Websites with modding this mini laptop, it´s crazy. when i have a look to this modding sites I see one:
they have much fun with modding her cheap Asus EEE Laptop.
But after 6 Years with HTC devices in all colors I ask me sometimes:
where is the fun - as i start with it..
;-)

joy.d said:
weird - yes of course.. ;-)
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But overall: you´re need really a device like this? (i call that "the innovation factor" inside ;-)
But it´s really needed? Sometimes i think about Asus EEE PC, there a many Websites with modding this mini laptop, it´s crazy.
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Well well well .. yeah I really need a device like this. I hate laptop (it's almost like bringing my desktop tower ...) because it's too big for me (even 11" ones). The shift has the perfect size for being a good laptop to use everywhere (including when travelling, when being on the bed, ...).
A laptot is not silent at all... mine is making too much noise.. almost the same as my desktop ! And it's warm.. warm... too warm ! I can't keep it on my knees more than 10 minutes ... WAW ! Totally useless to have a laptop.
The shift is quite, cold (not warm I mean ) and I can put it in my pocket (yeah I can... really ... I can ! .. have I tried... not yet.. but I have look the size and it fits well in my pocket... yeah.. really !).
I have bought an HTC Touch to work without any computer with me ... and .. ouch.. impossible to work with the Touch ! No real application on Windows Mobile .... Mobile Office? NOOOO it's too horrible ! On the shift I can use Windows Vista to work .. mmh so nice !
And what about the size .. 40Go is enough to work everywhere I want .. i can plug a VGA cable to my TFT to have a real screen .. and I can do this in so many room (I'm a student, so believe me... I do see a lot of monitor that just want to put their VGA cable in something !).
The only thing that can be bad was the keyboard, but I have tried it.. and WAW it worked well ! Not as well as my own Logitech Media Keyboard with about 80 words per minute... but I can type about 60 words per minute... enough when I'm not @ home.
I do believe the shift is the only solution for me right now, and I'm waiting a little to see all the real features available on the "retail" shift.. but I have great hopes in it !

Supposedly the Shift has the Qualcomm MSM 7200 chipset in it which has voice and gps built in. I can not see them "removing" that from the chipset. It's just a matter of time before this device get's "unlocked" to it's fullest potential.
I still do not see the marketing strategy of HTC leaving these features "out"... You would think that every device you release you would want to sell the hell out of it no? Are they that cocky that they believe they will be around forever to keep selling up their products to us?
i.e. Model Shift II including GPS!!! More money!!!

juiceppc said:
Supposedly the Shift has the Qualcomm MSM 7200 chipset in it which has voice and gps built in. I can not see them "removing" that from the chipset. It's just a matter of time before this device get's "unlocked" to it's fullest potential.
I still do not see the marketing strategy of HTC leaving these features "out"... You would think that every device you release you would want to sell the hell out of it no? Are they that cocky that they believe they will be around forever to keep selling up their products to us?
i.e. Model Shift II including GPS!!! More money!!!
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hard to know... but it's sure that the strategy seems completely wrong .... maybe they want us to buy a Phone and a GPS ... but it's not the right choice.... many people will not buy a HTC device because of it...

It is an odd strategy but not the first time they've done this stuff. Still I think most people who are inclined to buy Windows Mobile devices usually research them. A WinMo device is alot more advanced than your cpl hundred dollar nokias, I think when people are spending over $500 on a phone they are pretty inclined to do some research.
With that said im pretty sure HTC know if they release a shift w/o GPS or phone enabled, good people here can hack it and enable (remember the P3600) and then its on the users onus if things mess up. Actually sounds like a good strategy when you think about it, they only have to meet target "X" in terms of standards for "X" features. If end users decide to try activating features "Y" then they do so at their own risk...

Osir1s said:
It is an odd strategy but not the first time they've done this stuff. Still I think most people who are inclined to buy Windows Mobile devices usually research them. A WinMo device is alot more advanced than your cpl hundred dollar nokias, I think when people are spending over $500 on a phone they are pretty inclined to do some research.
With that said im pretty sure HTC know if they release a shift w/o GPS or phone enabled, good people here can hack it and enable (remember the P3600) and then its on the users onus if things mess up. Actually sounds like a good strategy when you think about it, they only have to meet target "X" in terms of standards for "X" features. If end users decide to try activating features "Y" then they do so at their own risk...
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i don't think it's smart.. because about 50% of intersted people will not buy the shift only because of missing GPS and Phone.

Has Anyone thought about Face Detection software

Has anyone ever thought about developing a face detection software program for Diamond/Pro which could act as another security feature to protect our phones? Maybe a good idea. Opinions about this as well.

The idea is good. But just thinking it may require a lot of resources to run this application and drain out battery easily. It is good for TP, but not TD

johnp68 said:
Has anyone ever thought about developing a face detection software program for Diamond/Pro which could act as another security feature to protect our phones? Maybe a good idea. Opinions about this as well.
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Very good idea！But I thought it's hard to realize~

omegasc said:
Very good idea！But I thought it's hard to realize~
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I have been doing some searches and software is there for Mobile Phones but as yet not for pocket PC's that I can see. I notice the Nokia N96 on sale through 3 mobile Australia has it in its specs. Not sure how much space it would take up but I am sure that a phone with expandable memory (Unfortunately the Diamond doesn't have it) would definately be able to use it and personally I could not see the software taking up over 1gb of memory so the Diamond should be ok. Facial recognition is now available on Laptops running Vista so I am hoping that Windows Mobile 7 has it as part of the update when it comes out although I would like it prior to 2010 when WM7 gets released.

not really diamond specific. youd be better off suggesting in general software creation forum

Brendo said:
not really diamond specific. youd be better off suggesting in general software creation forum
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Maybe it could have but as the Diamond and Pro appear to be more technologically advanced compared to previous HTC Phones (obviously due to being newer) I would expect this latest technology would be more compatible to these phones.

They'd not only steal your phone but cut off your head as well in order to use the phone.

sjaak21 said:
They'd not only steal your phone but cut off your head as well in order to use the phone.
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I suppose its the same worldwide, but I know in Australia Mobile Phones are one of the main items of theft from a person and yes unfortunately violence accompanies many of them. Haven't come accross any heads been cut off yet here as yet but knowing society it wouldn't unfortunately surprise me if it did happen one day. I do believe though that we need to make it less enticing to steal our expensive phones. I know here the HTC PRO cost around $1300 outright or $32 a month if on a phone plan over 24 months equaling $768 which is a bit cheaper but then you are stuck with the one phone company regardless. Even if your phone got stolen you lose the dead money regardless so why not make it as least enticing as possible.

I think it is very good idea, there need not to be battery drain, you can activate recognition for example on access to Contacts or message store

the last emperor? motorola ES400, the best wm6.5 device

purchased motorola es400. truly happy with this device, do think it's the greatest wm6 device with fantastic usability.
pros:
1. qwerty keyboard is easy to press, even better than any blackberry keyboard
2. 3.0 VGA tft screen: high brightness, clear display
3. perfect size to fit your hands, rugged phone, rubber frame give you best feeling
4. 1500mah standard battery + 3000 mah extended battery, a gigantic power house. so no worry about battery
cons:
1. wm6.5(hope it'd be a android one)
2. system needs to be more optimized, it took 5 to 6 seconds to shoot a picture after you press camara button!!

came more pictures.
1 more cons: 2.5mm headset jack

more pictures....................

Looks like that came from the Symbol line of devices. Lots of retailers use the MC-70 and related devices for inventory work and more. Very good devices for that type of work, but way to big and bulky for average use.
When Motorola bought out Symbol they started make a line that was more slim and trim in the hopes of getting executives/manager to adopt them. They'd not only be able to perform the inventory type jobs but also work as the default cellphone for the individual.
They are very rugged and well built devices. They can take a LOT of abuse and still function. If I recall the OS has also been "ruggedized." What I mean is that they sort of strip out some of the more advance, high end stuff that is more likely to cause incompatibility and/or crashes. I know this is true of some of Symbol's earlier devices. I don't know if it's true with the Motorola stuff... especially if they wanted execs to use these I doubt they would have done too much to 'em.
Great devices for Field Work, but I don't know they're usually not cutting edge tech or the most feature packed machines.

You've got Windows EH 6.5 on this right ? What build number do you see on it ? Just curious

Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me

orb3000 said:
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Add me to this. Leo is already Legendary.

Can anybody with this device upload dumped ROM?

Hello
i need a german Rom for this device!
Can anybody help

Hi,
Try following link, it should offer you a download link with when you provide your device's SN
http://support.symbol.com/support/s...eId=&dialogID=216462608&stateId=1 0 216464033

As mentioned above, these devices are really designed for data capture work in the business arena. Just the job, for barcode reading, warehouse pick list instructions, utility company meter reading, in the field survey response capture, customer order capture, etc. etc, but for personal phone use, it is a bit of a heavyweight.
Having said that, if you make a habit of dropping your phone down the WC, quite a common method of trashing it by all accounts, such a purchase could be a very good investment. It will survive that sort of thing time after time. You will have to give it some really serious abuse in order to break it.
This is where Microsoft is taking the CE/Mobile/Embedded platform.
Windows Phone 7 is now purely a consumer product.

..if it had DPAD and wm6.1...
sigh.
what's the cost of this, btw?
any kitchens available?

Regarding the cost, they're not cheap, but then again you get what you pay for.
Here in the UK they start at just over £400.

thank you buddy, nice work

mrteii, have you tried to shoot a photo at night using the flashlight? the light is distributed also into lens, making an ugly white arc at the bottom of the picture. anyway, the PenTile display is very nice. i'm currently using this device alongside with mc75a, which i like much more

On Sprint in the USA, the Touch Pro 2 is the best Windows Mobile device. I would get a Leo/HD2 if I was on T-Mobile.

Anyone one could get this ES400 rom ?

orb3000 said:
Sorry but the best WM device is Leo
At least for me
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Also think that! Proud leo owner here!

Ev0luti0n_ said:
Also think that! Proud leo owner here!
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go away..
sheesh.

I just received this device off ebay several days ago, brand new, unbranded and it came with the extended battery. I've added a PNY 32GB class 10 microsd card and activated it with an at&t gophone plan. I'm getting the H data symbol up top so it looks like I'm connecting at 3.5G speeds and so far so good! It's quite beastly in size but I love the display and the keyboard! I hope they release an updated model in Android/WP7 form, but I kinda like how it feels like a computer on a phone. It's my first WM phone, my previous phone was a Palm Pre.

64GB Alcatel Idol 4S Windows Version down to $100

Looks like microsoft is clearing these out...
I don't know anything about it, but is it (or has it been) possible to put android on the windows version?

From what I read already it isn't that easy or even possible as of yet . I just bought the phone for simple needs and will be used as a replacement at work or when I'm taking trips . If by chance I were to lose my phone I would rather have lost this one than my main phone.

Will The OnePlus 9 Pro Be A Major Upgrade Over The 8 Pro (Apart From SD 875) ?

Particularly in terms of front & back camera(s) performances ?
Also:
- What improvements would you like to see in OxygenOS ?

Cameras, screen and battery are the only improvements that can be had, perhaps audio.
Every other box has been ticked.
Storage
Size
Performance
Ram
Aesthetics
Are all perfect
Cameras, battery and audio are also really top notch so I wouldn't expect anything ground breaking.
We're approaching a stage where things can't progress at the rate they once did.
For me I would only make the battery larger but that's just nitpicking.
(See screenshot)
Waterproofing is here as Is superb wireless charging and reverse charging.
In regards to the OS id like to see no features removed, only made optional.
Screen off animations, OS size changes, static icon alterations like the status bar clock and signal icons, they should be fully themeable, which you can see from the screen shot I've already changed on mine.

I don't think major, but a progression... Further aod features, battery improvements, etc....

I think that Samsung have moved the game on by producing a folding handset, and that everybody else will eventually need to move into that space if they want to keep selling phones.
Sure it's still going through some teething issues (and the app market hasn't caught up yet), and I can't imagine that the 9 Pro will be folding, but I'd expect that the 10 Pro or 11 Pro will be.

Philip said:
I think that Samsung have moved the game on by producing a folding handset, and that everybody else will eventually need to move into that space if they want to keep selling phones.
Sure it's still going through some teething issues (and the app market hasn't caught up yet), and I can't imagine that the 9 Pro will be folding, but I'd expect that the 10 Pro or 11 Pro will be.
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I wouldn't buy a folding phone again.
The startac was the last good folding phone.
Folds are a phase, an expensive one.

dladz said:
Folds are a phase, an expensive one.
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Folding screens are a whole different ballgame to the antediluvian technology that was the Startac.
Who wouldn't want a phone that folds down to half (or less) of its normal use size when you put it in your pocket, especially as the screens get thinner and lighter, and the software evolves to make use of the form factor.
The technology still has a little way to go, but in the not-too-distant future all handsets will have foldable screens.

Philip said:
Folding screens are a whole different ballgame to the antediluvian technology that was the Startac.
Who wouldn't want a phone that folds down to half (or less) of its normal use size when you put it in your pocket, especially as the screens get thinner and lighter, and the software evolves to make use of the form factor.
The technology still has a little way to go, but in the not-too-distant future all handsets will have foldable screens.
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No dude, I know.
Point I'm trying to make is, every person who had an ounce of taste had a startac.
Only people who'll buy a folding device are people who don't know their phones or someone who blindly buys the latest gadgets.
The processors in those phones are pants as are the batteries, look at the Motorola flip?
The technology is a non starter.
I'll never change my mind on that, if they sell as much as the startac did then I'll admit I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

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I am changing the subject on you. I should have created a new thread, but I am not sure if you would see it in that case.
After waiting a month, I still haven't received my OnePlus 8 Pro. Do *NOT* ever buy anything from Bludiode.com. It is a scam. These guys claim Covid-19 is delaying the clearance of my payment. A virus can slow down electronic payment for a month?! I already called my credit card company to dispute it and got my money back. Since they do charge a 2 . 9% service charge to use a credit card, I assume those who do a bank transfer from their checking account to avoid this charge are their real victims. Anyway, I digress.
Since I don't have a OnePlus 8 Pro in my hand yet, I have a new concern before I buy it again. Does it have a boot-up (NOT lockscreen) password? I just learned that through a custom recovery like TWRP, one can always delete the locksettings.db and/or other similar files to erase the lockscreen password. Further, since TWRP has a built-in file manager, even if an attacker doesn't reboot to system, he can simply browse in TWRP.
TWRP doesn't officially support a password, and I can understand why because it's futile. An attacker can simply flash a fresh TWRP through download mode anyway to wipe out the existing password.
The only way to prevent an attacker from stealing my private info is to
1. encrypt the internal memory, or
2. unroot the phone and lock the bootloader so that a custom recovery cannot be installed, or
3. the device has a boot-up password.
Neither #1 or 2 would work for me. That leaves only #3.
Can you please confirm if OnePlus 8 Pro supports boot-up password?
By the way, if the upcoming upgrades in the 9 Pro would be marginal, I may just wait till the 9 Pro comes out and then buy the 8 Pro on the cheap. What time of the year does OnePlus usually release a new phone?
Thank you

luckysoul777 said:
I am changing the subject on you. I should have created a new thread, but I am not sure if you would see it in that case.
After waiting a month, I still haven't received my OnePlus 8 Pro. Do *NOT* ever buy anything from Bludiode.com. It is a scam. These guys claim Covid-19 is delaying the clearance of my payment. A virus can slow down electronic payment for a month?! I already called my credit card company to dispute it and got my money back. Since they do charge a 2 . 9% service charge to use a credit card, I assume those who do a bank transfer from their checking account to avoid this charge are their real victims. Anyway, I digress.
Since I don't have a OnePlus 8 Pro in my hand yet, I have a new concern before I buy it again. Does it have a boot-up (NOT lockscreen) password? I just learned that through a custom recovery like TWRP, one can always delete the locksettings.db and/or other similar files to erase the lockscreen password. Further, since TWRP has a built-in file manager, even if an attacker doesn't reboot to system, he can simply browse in TWRP.
TWRP doesn't officially support a password, and I can understand why because it's futile. An attacker can simply flash a fresh TWRP through download mode anyway to wipe out the existing password.
The only way to prevent an attacker from stealing my private info is to
1. encrypt the internal memory, or
2. unroot the phone and lock the bootloader so that a custom recovery cannot be installed, or
3. the device has a boot-up password.
Neither #1 or 2 would work for me. That leaves only #3.
Can you please confirm if OnePlus 8 Pro supports boot-up password?
By the way, if the upcoming upgrades in the 9 Pro would be marginal, I may just wait till the 9 Pro comes out and then buy the 8 Pro on the cheap. What time of the year does OnePlus usually release a new phone?
Thank you
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You'd need the password to obtain data access to that part of the system, as in it has to decrypt.
They just released the 8T so in six months the 9 will be out.
That sucks about that place.
Did you get your money back??

after owning 4 op phones in between other flagships from other companies just for the love of op this op8 pro will be the last i buy from op. even cyanogen dint have this kinda bugs back in the day lol. if this is what they call a stable os moving forward. they are now more concerned about pushing mid range phones to get a slice of the market share that what people came to love about them like software smoothness is just purely ****. like the word **** is being nice at this point. i hope things change moving forward but this isnt going well for them at all