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Greetings Transformers!
Now that I've rooted and have bash installed I am yearning for more, but I want to keep the Transformer usable in it's day to day role as an Android tablet so a Linux chroot would be very handy for mostly server tools: php, apache, maybe some light VNC desktop.
I've noticed a couple of threads about native Linux on the Transformer, but I'm more interested in a chroot simliar to the one on the Xoom. Has anyone tried any of the several Debian or Ubuntu chroot's on the Transformer and how did it work out?
Here is the link / process I'm considering following: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1028464
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droidbird said:
Greetings Transformers!
Now that I've rooted and have bash installed I am yearning for more, but I want to keep the Transformer usable in it's day to day role as an Android tablet so a Linux chroot would be very handy for mostly server tools: php, apache, maybe some light VNC desktop.
I've noticed a couple of threads about native Linux on the Transformer, but I'm more interested in a chroot simliar to the one on the Xoom. Has anyone tried any of the several Debian or Ubuntu chroot's on the Transformer and how did it work out?
Here is the link / process I'm considering following: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1028464
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this sould be easy , just change the sripts to te corrects mounts and pahts , i dint look into this as i only care about native . also i dont know how current modded kernels are build but kernel with loop devices support is a must!!
I was considering only native too... I would like to use my transformer for Ruby On Rails development, so I need linux ( now I take with me everyday my transformer and my netbook, it would be cool if I would be able to take only my transformer)...
But I was thinking recently that maybe even the chroot method can do for rails development, I will have the shell, the browser, and maybe I can install something like cloud9 ide so I can edit my code directly in the browser....
debian or ubuntu? both would be fine, but maybe I would prefear ubuntu because I am more acustomed to it
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Gnagnone
Your goals are similar to mine, I want a lightweight dev environment along with the tools to do meaningful command line work.
I was hoping someone had already been down this road, but it doesn't seem all that daunting of a task to change a few paths in the scripts...if I can find the time.
Running Debian w/o chroot
You should contact the OP of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661
e.mote said:
You should contact the OP of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661
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Actually for the transformer the situation is a bit different, as reported here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116471 they are still working on making it boot linux natively
@droidbird, are you developing in rails too? maybe we should start a new thread to find all rails developers that would be interested in developing on their android tablet?
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You should contact the OP of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138661
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From my point of view the native Linux is a step backwards. I still want all the convenience of my Android tablet, but with additional capabilities which is what leads me to the chroot.
droidbird said:
From my point of view the native Linux is a step backwards. I still want all the convenience of my Android tablet, but with additional capabilities which is what leads me to the chroot.
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Did you identify any alternative as code editor?
here is a list of some: http://www.smashingapps.com/2010/12...itors-to-code-directly-from-your-browser.html
there is even this one which looks very promising: https://mozillalabs.com/blog/2009/02/introducing-bespin/
maybe this one is the best: https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9
gnagnone said:
Did you identify any alternative as code editor?
here is a list of some: http://www.smashingapps.com/2010/12...itors-to-code-directly-from-your-browser.html
there is even this one which looks very promising: https://mozillalabs.com/blog/2009/02/introducing-bespin/
maybe this one is the best: https://github.com/ajaxorg/cloud9
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You mean there are other ways to edit code than vi or vim?
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You mean there are other ways to edit code than vi or vim?
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sorry, I don't understand if you want to say that for you vim is enough or you're really surprised of the alternatives I proposed.
If really vim is enough for you then chroot and a ssh client would be enough... I was just thinking about providing a set of tools easy to use for everyone
Ubuntu-on-a-stick
There are many solutions for the VNC route. Here is one in apk form, from a cursory search:
http://liliputing.com/2011/06/ubunt...y-to-run-android-and-ubuntu-side-by-side.html
The Streak 7 is also a Teg2 device.
Hi everyone,
I consider buying a this nice little tablet I just wonder if anyone managed to install a complete Linux distribution on it like ArchLinux ARM natively (not emulation/virtualization not even chroot) with everything working. I guess that even if it's not done up to now it will be quite easy to do as everything is open source.
Thanks
So as a few months passed since the Nexus 7 is available and I just bought one yesterday, I thought that I could do a little up...
Hope mods won't think it is offensive to make alive an old thread with some kind of what I think is a good reason.
If no one can help me, I will probably work on a native ArchLinux ARM on my nice new tablet in the next days. But first I have to make sure I can get it back fully stock from a fully rooted/unlocked/repartitioned state. If I have no choice I will dd my entire N7's internal memory to a slightly bigger USB stick to recreate exactly the partition table. But I am not sure I can have a complete access to the internal flash memory (all of the partitions with the boot loader, recovery etc). If someone can confirm if I have only one memory drive or more to backup or if there is no chance that I cannot recrate then entire Android stock system from a corrupted partition table for example... I would appreciate it right!
Thanks in advance!
Sorry if this is already answered I have to confess that I didn't search for the last part, I don't have time this morning.
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Yeah installing Linux on the N7 has been done. I think the Ubuntu Distro is the one that was used for the successful install.
I did a little searching and found it for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
Hope that helps
Wilks3y said:
Yeah installing Linux on the N7 has been done. I think the Ubuntu Distro is the one that was used for the successful install.
I did a little searching and found it for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
Hope that helps
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Thanks for your answer but I was looking for a native installation, not a chroot if possible that I can use hardware
acceleration (maybe that I still could with virtualGL though).
It is already a good point that it has been done in chroot, wich I am not surprised.
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johnride said:
Thanks for your answer but I was looking for a native installation, not a chroot if possible that I can use hardware
acceleration (maybe that I still could with virtualGL though).
It is already a good point that it has been done in chroot, wich I am not surprised.
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To be honest mate, I'm not into it all that deep, couldn't even tell ya the difference between chroot and a native client, perhaps you could explain for me?
the chrooted version is the android kernel with the ubuntu "programs" running. you can access the ubuntu desktop only via a vnc client, as there is no "real" x server running. think of it as ubuntu running as a service in the background which you then access via local network from your android.
would be interested in a native version as well.
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the chrooted version is the android kernel with the ubuntu "programs" running. you can access the ubuntu desktop only via a vnc client, as there is no "real" x server running. think of it as ubuntu running as a service in the background which you then access via local network from your android.
would be interested in a native version as well.
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That explains it, so basically on chroot the Ubuntu is a virtual machine in essence?
johnride said:
Hi everyone,
I consider buying a this nice little tablet I just wonder if anyone managed to install a complete Linux distribution on it like ArchLinux ARM natively (not emulation/virtualization not even chroot) with everything working. I guess that even if it's not done up to now it will be quite easy to do as everything is open source.
Thanks
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Has not been released yet, but definitely check out this: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
Nooo there is a big difference between chroot and virtualization. On a chroot you still use the same kernel which allows to have the same speed or almost as a native client for what does not require hardware acceleration. the point in getting and Native Client working is that we could get advantage of the GPU after some more or less hard work. I bought this tablet to replace my sold laptop the best I could so that's why I'm interested in this.
When you do virtualization, CPU instructions are converted from a type to another and this is very heavy on the CPU and this way you cannot have good performances.
Think of a road: in chroot you only have to make the instructions take a turn without slowing down while in virtualization you have to stop the "convertible" instructions "remove the roof" and then you can continue. That's why virtualization is much slower than chroot.
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Chroot says what it does: it changes the root. This means that programs that run in the chroot environment will think that the / is another folder than what it is really. For example if you do chroot /sdcard/ and you have a file named derp.txt on your sdcard than type rm /derp.txt it will work since your / is now /sdcard/. The most come in case of uses of EC truth is when you have a Linux machine not booting anymore so you have to repair the boot loader, you will boot on a Live CD of the same distro (Ubuntu for example), mount the drive with the broken installation, chroot to this installation regular root and perform the same reparation as if this install would be booted, still using the kernel and binaries from your live CD (unless you specify that you want to use those from the chrooted environment).
Hope this is clear.
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Has not been released yet, but definitely check out this: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
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Yeah that's a very nice project but I want the desktop on my tablet, no docks and all. This is also in chroot I believe. Probably that I will install ArchLinux in chroot and try to make VirtualGL work but it's not really what I want.
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johnride said:
When you do virtualization, CPU instructions are converted from a type to another and this is very heavy on the CPU and this way you cannot have good performances.
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Small clarification. You're describing emulation here. Emulation is one processor pretending to be another. The Android SDK provides an android emulator that pretends to be an ARM device while running on your x86 PC.
Virtualization is a special feature of some processor architectures that allows multiple, virtual memory spaces to be created that are isolated from each other at a very low-level. I seriously doubt (but don't know for sure) that the ARM architecture has much support for virtualization. VMWare and its ilk use virtualization.
Anyway, virtualization runs at full processor speed. However, access to everything but main RAM and the CPU may be emulated in most implementations. Particularly, it's very tricky to get proper access to the GPU via virtualization, so it is often emulated.
Trivia-time: The presence of a primitive form of virtualization in the 386 is what allowed Linux to be written back in the day. The 286 didn't support switching between normal and escalated privilege modes (aka kernel vs user process space) on the fly. Oh crap. Now I'm starting to show my age. Um, get off my lawn!?!
The more you know...
Thanks for the clarification old chap!
I knew about material virtualization with some CPU's but did not realize that there was no emulation for the biggest part of the instructions. Will sleep less dumb.
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would be interested in a native version as well.
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Mhmmm as we are probably not alone to be interested in this, I think I will open a topic in original development section to see how many would be interested and what direction I should take. If anyone supports that idea I will create the thread. I think it would be easier to put together all the good ideas in the dev section.
Ah you beat me to it!
Well we (the linuxonandroid team) have been running a device fund which has just finished.
One of the devices i will be getting from this is a nexus 7 which is being bought for two goals.
A) fixing tegra chip bugs with our chroot builds (after all chroot for many is a good way forward as it leaves android intact)
B) building native linux distro installs. Starting with ubuntu but expanding to as many distros that support ARM as possible (debian, backtrack, archlinux, fedora etc etc).
So prehaps you would like to PM me and maybe we can team up for this
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Ah you beat me to it!
Well we (the linuxonandroid team) have been running a device fund which has just finished.
One of the devices i will be getting from this is a nexus 7 which is being bought for two goals.
A) fixing tegra chip bugs with our chroot builds (after all chroot for many is a good way forward as it leaves android intact)
B) building native linux distro installs. Starting with ubuntu but expanding to as many distros that support ARM as possible (debian, backtrack, archlinux, fedora etc etc).
So prehaps you would like to PM me and maybe we can team up for this
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I am currently working on developing on booting ubuntu on the nexus 7. Check this thread out - > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1842915
Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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In Free software, the individual software components are always being reused, and this is the correct practice.
Debian is the upstream distribution for Ubuntu, so the basic packages are related to Debian, and might have some small changes in Ubuntu.
However, the full composition is Ubuntu, which includes additional packages that are currently found only in Ubuntu.
It is acceptable and encouraged in Free software to reuse software components. That's the purpose of Free software.
teh_cANONs said:
Is this going to be like Ubuntu in that Ubuntu is essentially Debian with packages added, some tweaks, and different themes and whatnot? (Basically, not trying to undermine the work canonical puts into the OS.) I'm thinking this could be android , but tweaked in the same way Debian is tweaked to become Ubuntu. Or could this be straight up Ubuntu with the phone elements added in? Does anyone have any insight on this? I'd like to know more about what this is going to be.
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It's straight up Ubuntu, well a fork of Ubuntu for mobile resolutions, touch screens, etc. With added support for ARM devices and Android kernels. You can currently install the ARM version as a full OS on Nexus 7 devices, although it's far from polished as a full OS on tablets. The mobile OS is something different again, and should be great if it's done right. I already use Ubuntu 13.04 as my daily desktop environment, dual booting with winblows only for some games. Ubuntu for desktop just gets better and grows on me more each week, and each update. I imagine the phone OS will be similar, take a little learning, but become addicted with use.
I want to move my project ubnhd2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975081
(currently ubuntu 10.10 & HTC HD2 & DesireHD only)
to the new ubuntu version that comes out soon.
I have some Questions:
I there a standard x-org server or do they bake their own bread like android ?
Can i use Modules from a 2.6.x Kernel Source ?
Can they release it closed-source ?
zo1d said:
I want to move my project ubnhd2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975081
(currently ubuntu 10.10 & HTC HD2 & DesireHD only)
to the new ubuntu version that comes out soon.
I have some Questions:
I there a standard x-org server or do they bake their own bread like android ?
Can i use Modules from a 2.6.x Kernel Source ?
Can they release it closed-source ?
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1. don't know if there is a xserver involved or what, we will see when released.
2. hmm why would you want to do that? We dont know if canonical is using its own kernel based on the android kernel or if it will be the exact android kernel in which the device comes preinstalled.. We will see..
3. No.. sofar I am aware of, the core might be GPL'ed code, just like the Linux Kernel.. But we will first know when released, it could be LGPL too.. Thats what Qt is released on..
When it is released you will find the code on launchpad.
I really don't see why they can't use the same kernel that ships with the phones, since the android tree is included in the Linux kernel, and it is obviously open source. I think it would be trivial to redo tons of work that has already been done.
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Ehh they already said that they're going to use the standard android kernel of the phones....
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Ehh they already said that they're going to use the standard android kernel of the phones....
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Not really.. They said it is compatible with the android kernel.. As of using its drivers which makes it easier for manufactures to support Ubuntu phone if they already build android phones .... They never said they support the exact one that came with the phone, they might have their own based of the nexus source with their own settings and patches which is what I believe ..
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Not really.. They said it is compatible with the android kernel.. As of using its drivers which makes it easier for manufactures to support Ubuntu phone if they already build android phones .... They never said they support the exact one that came with the phone, they might have their own based of the nexus source with their own settings and patches which is what I believe ..
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Would make sense as it would create more dev opportunities for everyone to try their hand at.
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Ubuntu is releasing its tablet version this week for developers, but its only for nexus devices, let's hope this will be available for our 7.7 also. My only dream id to run both jb and Ubuntu as dual boot on this tab
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I have spare Galaxy Tab 7.7 that I'm not that actively using, but I would like to try an port the Ubuntu touch for it. Any hints how to start? I have been working with software since 90's but I have no idea how to go forward.
So what I have understood is that what Canodical did was to take latest stable CM 3.5.xx kernel and then compiled their Ubuntu software on top of that?
I don´t know anything about porting ubuntu or roms but this page should help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting Well at least if u guys are talking about ubuntu touch...
https://wiki.Ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
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Thx for help. I'm setting now Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on my spare laptop (Acer TimelineX 3820TG) with needed build environments.
I have no guarantees that anything what I'm trying will work, but I really hope that I can avoid bricking my gt-6800 and get the cm10.1 kernel to work with the device. After that it should be quite straight forward to get the build up and running in some shape.
Ok, now I have the environment set-up, but there are no kernel confs available. So it seems that I have to either found them somewhere or create a new one and then try to figure it out. It seems that Iocerras kernel is a bit old (3.0.xx series). We'll, as soon as I have something to show, I'll put the information available in the development section on this forum and release the first version of the platform. But currently the image build is on hold because I need to concentrate my daily work.
Will the cm10.1 not work?
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Will the cm10.1 not work?
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There is no build for gt-p6800 available in CM10.1 with kernel sources. I'm still investigating where I might find the needed sources so that I can compile the kernel and start upgrading it towards 3.5.xx release.
Try this if you want the Ubuntu look right now
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mohammad.adib.sidebar.lite
Works great
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Heh, anyway I think I'm getting quite close to on finishing the first ever build for ubuntu-touch for gt-p6800...
I had to create two new repositories because the kernel and device configuration that is available is so messed up. I hope I do not have many legacy kernel problems anymore when I'm making the first build here.
Are there any gt-p6800 dev's around still or has the ship sailed already from this device. I really like it because its premium build quality, but I hate it if there is no one else interested on the device anymore
YEAH, first build done.
If someone has a good idea where to dump the image for others to test, please notify me in this thread or PM me.
Development thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38648150
is it better than ICS?
Morloc2 said:
is it better than ICS?
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I really cannot say. It is a development preview of a fully linux system that has potential (yes), but no software yet. At all... We'll see if it is better than meego, android or tzisen in future
Is there really need in ubuntu on tablets? Any real "+" against Android?))
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Is there really need in ubuntu on tablets? Any real "+" against Android?))
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Is there a need for Android for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for iOS for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for Meego for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
It depends on what you find necessary or what you like For you there might not be anything, for me I find it interesting and useful.
dun1982 said:
Is there a need for Android for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for iOS for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for Meego for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
It depends on what you find necessary or what you like For you there might not be anything, for me I find it interesting and useful.
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I think you are user of Ubuntu on PC, so could you please tell me in which aspects is it good?)) I had never used Ubuntu)))
P.S. sorry for my english))
I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS at home. Canonical is looking to make your Ubuntu phone your only device. Android is a great mobile platform but is not a desktop platform. Ubuntu has a desktop platform and a tv platform both sitting on top of a common Linux kernel. If Ubuntu phone works as promised you'll have all three platforms in a single unified device depending on what the device is connected to. Standalone it is a phone/phablet/tablet depending on the device. Attach it to a tv and it is a media centre. Dock it to a keyboard, mouse and monitor it becomes a full desktop. Each with their own interface optimised for that use case rather than trying to make one interface that sort of works for all. If Canonical pulls this off it will be a winner.
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I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS at home. Canonical is looking to make your Ubuntu phone your only device. Android is a great mobile platform but is not a desktop platform. Ubuntu has a desktop platform and a tv platform both sitting on top of a common Linux kernel. If Ubuntu phone works as promised you'll have all three platforms in a single unified device depending on what the device is connected to. Standalone it is a phone/phablet/tablet depending on the device. Attach it to a tv and it is a media centre. Dock it to a keyboard, mouse and monitor it becomes a full desktop. Each with their own interface optimised for that use case rather than trying to make one interface that sort of works for all. If Canonical pulls this off it will be a winner.
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Sounds really cool:victory:
Thanks for answer:good:
I vote for Ubuntu because linux is very good So i think it Will work Great for. You
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I would definetely prefer a well running Ubuntu to Android. Meaning phone, data, wifi working. The hardware of my tablet is almost as good as the hardware of my laptop running Ubuntu. 1.4Ghz vs 1.8 Ghz, 1Gb Ram vs 2.5Gb, powervr xyz vs geforce 7400m. One device to rule them all .
Ubuntu Touch has been ported the Note 2 and Note 10.1 (2013 version) with nearly identical internals. Ubuntu Touch is also based on CM 10 and requires a CM 10 port, the Note 8.0 already has a CM 10 port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457346 I see no reason why an Ubuntu Touch for the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 would not be possible.
I agree with you...
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I might try my hand at this after I've sorted my university stuff - its been a while since I've done any ROM stuff
Thanks in advance if you're willing to try to port it, I'm really looking forward to this
Kernel and other stuff are the same, so theoretically you could use my sources (kernel, hardware, etc) with the n5110 device repo, and maybe it would work.
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Quoting OP of the Ubuntu Port thread for Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168999
And is it possible to make it dual boot between Ubuntu Touch and Android?
PS. Please port Ubuntu Touch for GT-N5110
So is this project starting or has it begun?
Or how is the process going?
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I might start it this week, but theres a few things im not sure on
If bricked, how would I unbrick it? I'm experienced with HTC's and somewhat with Nexus, but not samsung at all
Would there even be any demand? I mean it won't support the S-Pen and all, and development is relatively slow as it is
My guess is yoou would just use Odin to reflash your device. And I know personally this is something I would back and be willing to test should you need someone.
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techhead11 said:
My guess is yoou would just use Odin to reflash your device. And I know personally this is something I would back and be willing to test should you need someone.
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wow to have a fully capable linux operating system working on our note 8 would be great!! but are there any apps like onenote from microsoft available for linux yet???
So I guess this is just a lost hope huh?
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Any news about this port? Now I try the news nightly cm10.2 and work fine.
Krumbalu said:
wow to have a fully capable linux operating system working on our note 8 would be great!! but are there any apps like onenote from microsoft available for linux yet???
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From what I know, Ubuntu Touch is just cyanogenmod with an Ubuntu UI. It is no more a full linux OS than Android, and in fact, both run on the Linux kernel and Ubuntu is basically a modified version of Android. I really don't understand why people are having wet dreams over the prospect of running Ubuntu Touch on their tablets. You're getting nothing in return except a different look and design of the OS and probably no access to Google Play. Oh, and all the bugs associated with CyanogenMod, and none of the functionality that is unique to the Note 8. I am all for giving people options, but Ubuntu Touch seems like the most unnecessary development to hit Android devices to date.
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From what I know, Ubuntu Touch is just cyanogenmod with an Ubuntu UI. It is no more a full linux OS than Android, and in fact, both run on the Linux kernel and Ubuntu is basically a modified version of Android. I really don't understand why people are having wet dreams over the prospect of running Ubuntu Touch on their tablets. You're getting nothing in return except a different look and design of the OS and probably no access to Google Play. Oh, and all the bugs associated with CyanogenMod, and none of the functionality that is unique to the Note 8. I am all for giving people options, but Ubuntu Touch seems like the most unnecessary development to hit Android devices to date.
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I may be wrong bjt im oretty sure that you actually have full access to the ubuntu software center for apps and such.
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techhead11 said:
I may be wrong bjt im oretty sure that you actually have full access to the ubuntu software center for apps and such.
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I would say you're wrong only because Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch are designed for different architectures (x86 vs ARM). This is no different than windows 8 vs windows RT in that you can't share apps between the 2 systems. Point is, if an application such as OpenOffice is not reengineered to run on ARM, it's not going to run on Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu Touch is built on top of Android, and while it may have access to the ubuntu software center, it's still not going to have the apps to make it worthwhile unless it also can access google play. And I doubt that it will. But if I am wrong, please correct me.
sputnik767 said:
I would say you're wrong only because Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch are designed for different architectures (x86 vs ARM). This is no different than windows 8 vs windows RT in that you can't share apps between the 2 systems. Point is, if an application such as OpenOffice is not reengineered to run on ARM, it's not going to run on Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu Touch is built on top of Android, and while it may have access to the ubuntu software center, it's still not going to have the apps to make it worthwhile unless it also can access google play. And I doubt that it will. But if I am wrong, please correct me.
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In a sense yes, but just like any new operating system, the app market will start out slow and as more interest grows, people are going to develop more and more apps for the market.
techhead11 said:
In a sense yes, but just like any new operating system, the app market will start out slow and as more interest grows, people are going to develop more and more apps for the market.
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You are assuming that interest is actually going to grow, and I can probably think of more new systems that are failing or have failed, than succeeded. And again, Ubuntu Touch is a port of Android with a questionable future. It brings nothing new in terms of the actual operating system to the table, and if a current dev who is making programs for Linux is not making similar programs for Android now, what would make them start coding for Ubuntu Touch? Likewise, why would a current Android dev start porting their apps to Ubuntu when they have a massive user base on iOS and Android? Look at BB and Windows Phone, which are actually very good, polished systems and not half-ass ports, and see how small their app ecosystems are.
But ask yourself this question: are you going to give up Android 4.2.2 on your Note for a half-ass port of Ubuntu Touch (pretty much all ports of CM are half-ass), lose the functionality of the S-Pen, and lose access to Google Play along with all of apps that make Android something more than just a device to browse the web? Because that's pretty much what you will end up with as it stands now. I will not discount the possibility that Ubuntu Touch will carve itself a niche market somewhere, but even if you can sideload Android apks, it is far more effort than most people will be willing to put up with.
I know this is an OLD thread, but I want to correct the people saying the x86/ARM difference means that software won't run on Ubuntu Touch. This is completely false. Ubuntu maintains repositories for all manners of architectures, including ARM. ALL OSS applications with full source will run under ARM (you can even do this on a Chromebook, which is amazingly nice.) as long as they have no proprietary binaries. This means that if you can download the source code, it can be compiled to work on ARM, and even done on the fly with apt.