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ICS update delayed... Won't come OTA

Doesn't look good for the Verizon crowd.
http://androidcommunity.com/sony-announces-ice-cream-sandwich-delays-no-ota-updates-either-20120330/
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Wonder what impact this will have on root
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I like it. It sounds like they're going to straight-up release it for use with Flashtool. With the work that the developers have done in porting roms to the R800x, chevyowner in particular, it should be a really good development in terms of updates.

please add cdma to this thread title, otherwise a lot of gsm use will get a shock for their life xD

It doesn't really pertain specifically to CDMA. It's a general deal, apparently, that Sony is delaying, and aren't releasing OTAs.

Verizon's Firmware is different from Sony's, so I still believe if Verizon does update your devices that it will be OTA, As of other carriers, I don't know.

The .145 firmware was a UK firmware that supported CDMA variants, which is mostly the Verizon Xperia Play. I believe if Sony could do it then, they can do it again. I'm holding out hope for this one.

I'm patiently awaiting the UK ICS Rom for my r800x.

Check this post out. Awesome news ! http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/03/3...to-ics/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Check this post out. Awesome news ! http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/03/3...to-ics/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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We just sore this. So the beta was a plan to keep us semi happy i guess

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We just sore this. So the beta was a plan to keep us semi happy i guess
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Yeah... but atleast they've told us that if it'll run on 2011 Xperia devices or not so we don't jump in straight and update to Ice Cream Sandwich which then would be a problem for us.
So, I guess all us with a 2011 Xperia model will have to stay on Gingerbread. Well I don't mind as long as everything runs smoothly which it does on Gingerbread.
I am still a unhappy though cause I was looking forward to ICS I waited so long !

I had a feeling it was a bad sign when Verizon offered me a free upgrade..... Glad they chose to grease the squeaky wheel.... Still sucks though....

You know what? I think sony tells us bullsh*t... my friend has Nexus S with OFFICIAL ICS and it's perfectly smooth. This phones specs are similar to ours - 512 MB of RAM and 1GHz CPU. There aren't any problems on it so it means having nicely optimized ICS on our phones is possible but it seems Sony are sh*tting pants now and telling us right before ICS launch that it won't be running smooth because it needs more resources. I think they are too lazy, there were always problems with their company if we talk about upgrades. X10 has got 2.3 for 8 months and it's still full of bugs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who afraids of this upgrade and not the only one who's mad at them (look at the comments on their blog). They promised great update and now they made us thinking is there a sense of upgrading to ICS if it's so slow in their opinion. Shame on you, Sony.
EDIT: Besides - Sony will soon launch Xperia Neo L in China. The phone with THE SAME hardware specs as our phones. So that means its ICS will be slow too? What's the point in releasing the phone with "slow SQL, low ram and heavy CPU use"?

romcio47 said:
You know what? I think sony tells us bullsh*t... my friend has Nexus S with OFFICIAL ICS and it's perfectly smooth. This phones specs are similar to ours - 512 MB of RAM and 1GHz CPU. There aren't any problems on it so it means having nicely optimized ICS on our phones is possible but it seems Sony are sh*tting pants now and telling us right before ICS launch that it won't be running smooth because it needs more resources. I think they are too lazy, there were always problems with their company if we talk about upgrades. X10 has got 2.3 for 8 months and it's still full of bugs. I'm sure I'm not the only one who afraids of this upgrade and not the only one who's mad at them (look at the comments on their blog). They promised great update and now they made us thinking is there a sense of upgrading to ICS if it's so slow in their opinion. Shame on you, Sony.
EDIT: Besides - Sony will soon launch Xperia Neo L in China. The phone with THE SAME hardware specs as our phones. So that means its ICS will be slow too? What's the point in releasing the phone with "slow SQL, low ram and heavy CPU use"?
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Agreed. Sony are playing with us. They are very very lazy indeed.
So Peed of right now

I always knew ICS was a bad operating system and this is proof of it.
If you want a fast phone stick with COLA rom.
trust me.
ICS is like putting lipstick on a pig.
the whole thing reeks of slow /bloatware and "pretty effects"
you know what i say to that? F*** that S***
I dont give a d*** about what it looks like.

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I always knew ICS was a bad operating system and this is proof of it.
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So, just because Sony can't implement it properly in the Xperia line and they say so in advance, ICS is a bad version?

Logseman said:
So, just because Sony can't implement it properly in the Xperia line and they say so in advance, ICS is a bad version?
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lol true. It's got nothing to with ICS but it's all got to do with the Sony Delevopers !

And it's good that they actually highlight these possible issues anyway! I would much rather know this than update blindly and find them later by myself. Then again, what people seem to want is to hear that their device is magical. It sells better indeed.

First thing I'm doing upon getting the official update is to remove Bloat like Music Unlimited ****...

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Wonder what impact this will have on root
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None. We have root now
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[NEWS] List of phones that gets 4.1 update

Here is the list of phones that can exept 4.1
Will get Android 4.1 Jelly Bean:
Xperia T
Xperia TX
Xperia V
Xperia S
Xperia acro S
Xperia ion
Xperia P
Xperia go
Xperia J
**Xperia T, TX og V gets update to 4.1 in middle of first quarter of 2013
Wont get updated to 4.1:
Xperia U
Miro
Tipo
SOURCE:
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/product...rades-jelly-bean-for-2012-xperia-smartphones/
http://www.itavisen.no/904519/er-din-mobil-paa-lista

And you miss the most important thing...
We were glad to provide the Android 4.0.4 upgrade for our 2011 Xperia portfolio across most markets and the majority of models but, after thorough evaluation, we have concluded they will not be upgraded beyond Ice Cream Sandwich.
Beyond Ice Cream Sandwich we would not able to guarantee owners of these smartphones the user experience you expect and we demand. We will however, continue to support all these products with firmware maintenance releases.
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And you miss the most important thing...
Quote:
We were glad to provide the Android 4.0.4 upgrade for our 2011 Xperia portfolio across most markets and the majority of models but, after thorough evaluation, we have concluded they will not be upgraded beyond Ice Cream Sandwich.
Beyond Ice Cream Sandwich we would not able to guarantee owners of these smartphones the user experience you expect and we demand. We will however, continue to support all these products with firmware maintenance releases.
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Seriously, my phone runs much smoother in JB than on ICS... Thnk you SONY -.-

Seriously Sony's multimillionaire software department can't make a good JB firm for Neo/Arc/S and can do it for Xperia J?

Disappointing but expected news. I'm personally not surprised. It's most likely for marketing. And anyways it's been almost 2 years already since their release. I guess Sony wants everyone to buy their current and future lineup of Xperias.
We should also be thankful that Sony upgraded our phones to ICS. LG isn't even upgrading their 2011 phones as far as I know.
Sony Mobile isn't as big as Samsung or HTC. Cut them some slack.
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Did not miss that. Everybody knows that the 2011 wont get updated.
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So, first you moan because Sony doesn't give out an update.
Then, if an update is released, then you moan even more about all the little problems it has.
They are not your slaves. Give them time to work, you are not the only customers out there. Besides, your phone is not the only one there.

But atleast they should have update arc s to jb isnt 1.4 ghz enough for jb wtf they was saying that they are checking the devices etc.
Fully crap i just bought arc s its still in market and here i am with no jb update
I should have bought s2 instead
I wont buy sony now in future

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But atleast they should have update arc s to jb isnt 1.4 ghz enough for jb wtf they was saying that they are checking the devices etc.
Fully crap i just bought arc s its still in market and here i am with no jb update
I should have bought s2 instead
I wont buy sony now in future
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I think they will get over it
Cheers

I only don't understand why they don't upgrade the arc s... But I think this is the biggest problem with android. Look to samsung, the sgs plus was released almost the same time as the arc s, has similar parts and price and didn't even got ics...

I think the problem is that Sony is lazy to do the JB upgrade. JB requires same requirements as ics the only down side is the 512 mb memory but other phone with the same phone power will still deliver the JB hope they can get back in there word qnd deliver JB to us.
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I hope it to, but i don't think so...

No excuses for Sony really they could provide codes so developers can port JB into older devices unless we launch a huge outrage just like the X10 fiasco.
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Well....this was expected! Not upset because I think Sony has one of the best firmware update services in the market. Just personally realized that it's time to start saving for LG Nexus!
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Beyond Gingerbread we weren't able to give owners of these smartphones the user experience you expect and we demand.
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FTFY, Sony.
So...are there any phones that could actually replace my Pro? :/

Will buy Optimus G.. Etc not xperia T, had enough crappy Sony screens, low performance and bad camera (in some situations) will sell xperia t
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Best way is ..more of us ...to don't buy any sony phone ,because they take this fkkk solution ....not to give us ..the owner of 1.4 GHz ..sony device ..a taste of JB...., that's shame ...
I will sell my device and bye a decent phone....( to have 1GB RAM , front facing camera , enough internal storage .., not like this ..420 MB...., and also a decent battery .) , because I don't want to spend all my money to bye a new phone ..every 5 months ...

This is why I'm getting a Samsung phone next year. Samsung's flagship model from 2011 got JellyBean. and what is more pathetic, JB is incomparably smoother and faster than ICS.

time to change brand!

Well, the last few weeks I've been confused whether my next device will be a Nexus, a Lumia or an Xperia,
now I just need to choose between the first two
(Not that Lumia will surely provide better support, I want to know how good/bad is WP8 through experience, I'll keep the arc S though, still the sexiest phone I've ever had)

Sony to release two more Flagship phones this year

Hi guys just came across an array of rumors that point to Xperia Z being superseded as early as July this year.
Just want to know what your thoughts are. As a Xperia Z owner I feel robbed and disapointed that Sony would do such a thing and didn't any one learn from the mistakes of the HTC One X+ vs HTC One X+
http://www.theupload.geek.nz/2013/04/tech-sony-dangerously-takes-leaf-out-of.html

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Actually I don't belive this. Also "Togari" will/should be (IF!) based within Samsung Note class phones.

droidhd said:
Actually I don't belive this. Also "Togari" will/should be (IF!) based within Samsung Note class phones.
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I don't WANT to believe this

I would hate Sony for that!

Exactly, I'm not keen on dropping $999 (nzd) on a phone just to have it be replaced by as better phone 4 months after buying
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Get over it boys.
That sony do to me 2011 and 2012 year. So for know i waiting to see what to buy.
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exekias said:
Hi guys just came across an array of rumors that point to Xperia Z being superseded as early as July this year.
Just want to know what your thoughts are. As a Xperia Z owner I feel robbed and disapointed that Sony would do such a thing and didn't any one learn from the mistakes of the HTC One X+ vs HTC One X+
http://www.theupload.geek.nz/2013/04/tech-sony-dangerously-takes-leaf-out-of.html
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Only one more flagship will be released this year... With snapdragon 800 processor.. camera is all speculation.... Well... Its very much like xperia s to xperia T evolution which happened last year... Xz will get next android update soon ...i.e. 4.2.2 but beyond that i.e. 4.3 jelly bean... it will get at last... Just like XS is getting jelly bean at last...
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Then Have I mis-understood the meaning of the word Flagship OR has Sony never once called the Xperia Z their flaghip and was that the medias doing?
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Members we can rumor the rumors all day, but lets not....Thanks.

Latest news Xperia Z will Receive 4.3 as well 4.4 too

Hellos guys
Herez the gud news for Xperia Z Series Flagship phones
First up, Jelly Bean 4.3
We’re pleased to tell you that we’ll start rolling Android 4.3 for Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia SP, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1 from next month*.
We also mentioned that a few of our products would be jumping software version – so, we can confirm that Xperia T, Xperia TX and Xperia V* will be upgraded to Android Jelly Bean 4.3… also from next month.
And, to Kit Kat 4.4
We’re also happy to tell you about the first raft of Xperia products that we’ll make Android 4.4 Kit Kat available for – they are: Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1*.
On that, please stay tuned to the social newsroom and @SonyMobileNews, where we’ll update you with specific info on product upgrade timings & software features as things progress.
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop them below.
*Software rollouts are a phased process – timings & availability may vary by market / carrier
check the below website
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2013/11...ss&utm_campaign=on-jelly-bean-4-3-kit-kat-4-4

Question is, when are they going to release the update?

I like it....
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davidvu396 said:
Question is, when are they going to release the update?
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Next month, as it says in the OP.
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TOP!

EDIT: XPERIA Z will be the first Sony device that will receive both new android flavors 4.3 and 4.4

mysticmetal said:
EDIT: XPERIA Z will be the first Sony device that will receive both new android flavors 4.3 and 4.4
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Where did you get this?
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mysticmetal said:
EDIT: XPERIA Z will be the first Sony device that will receive both new android flavors 4.3 and 4.4
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Yes, so Sony tells us. Based on my experience with Sony i fear version 4.4 will be out by the time 5.0 already is availalble.
Hope Sony surprises us this time...

pietrucci said:
Yes, so Sony tells us. Based on my experience with Sony i fear version 4.4 will be out by the time 5.0 already is availalble.
Hope Sony surprises us this time...
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Pretty sure they will. But probably not in a good way.
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Can't people just be happy that support for this phone has not been dropped (yet), instead of complaining about timescales for release of the promised updates?
I thought people on these forums are a little more in the know than most places and would realise that it's not a fast process to prepare, test and release an update that isn't completely broken/full of bugs.
I guess I was wrong lol.
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kingvortex said:
Can't people just be happy that support for this phone has not been dropped (yet), instead of complaining about timescales for release of the promised updates?
I thought people on these forums are a little more in the know than most places and would realise that it's not a fast process to prepare, test and release an update that isn't completely broken/full of bugs.
I guess I was wrong lol.
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Come on, you know this could be much much quicker of Sony would give this priority.
See what our XDA senior developers achieve in just a few weeks, days, hours...

pietrucci said:
Come on, you know this could be much much quicker of Sony would give this priority.
See what our XDA senior developers achieve in just a few weeks, days, hours...
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The developers here do a fantastic job and I have massive respect for everything they do for the modding/Android community. Several devices of mine have had their useful lives extended greatly because of people on XDA.
However, they are not under the same constraints as the devs that work for Sony.
Sony's devs will be under strict developmental, testing and qa constraints and cannot release updates with bugs and rely on people providing bug reports/logcats to fix said bugs after the fact. They have to release software with all features working and with minimal bugs.
Not to mention all the red tape/paperwork they no doubt have to deal with and the other devices that all need maintaining. I would also imagine that the budget for maintaining older devices is dwarfed by the budget for new devices.
It's also worth noting that a lot of the devs good work on XDA is only possible because of blobs/binaries provided by Sony's devs in the first place.
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Sony releases an update with a camera app that takes 4 sec to open and everyone loses sleep over it while some1 here releases an update with wifi issues, screen on delays etc, they get praise for the device bring up which gets labeled as 1st release. lol
Obviously Sony cant depend on rapid development and recoveries and backups and all the fancy stuff we do when we get into issues when it relates to the average android user who by the phone and occasionally plug it in for PC companion to update and that's it. When wifi stops working no one is gonna say " oh this is a first release. They will fix it soon". People take back the devices and swap brands like that. Consumers are a fickle bunch.
Also as I have always said to myself , AOSP is the most barebones and feature lacking kind of experience out there. Android has matured a lot since the froyo gingerbread days and so have the OEM modifications. The reason I decided on the XZ against the N4. I am one willing to sacrifice smoothness for functionality any day. My Z is still stock and I will probably keep it that way til the EOL is reached. I came from the LG O2x which got ICS in December/January so trust me when is say I can wait lol.

pietrucci said:
Come on, you know this could be much much quicker of Sony would give this priority.
See what our XDA senior developers achieve in just a few weeks, days, hours...
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I agree, I think we all know they could have done this even 2 months ago. But do consider, they have to put in all bugs and make the OS laggy...you know how hard a job that is?
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Like I said... They made money already. Why would they spend more?
You know how much its costing them to pay 1 second-grade developer and 4 trainees so they could have a running upgrade dept? $120 a day! Thats too much for them.
(sorry for the ranting sarcasm...moving on...)
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http://androidcommunity.com/android-4-4-update-teased-for-sony-xperia-devices-20131101/
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xchasa said:
http://androidcommunity.com/android-4-4-update-teased-for-sony-xperia-devices-20131101/
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There is nothing teased, it's just the news they put up.

Real question is, who cares?
I have seen no difference with kitkat and 4.2. apart from google now, now on the left. so I am not excited at all. The apptray needs the border removed on the Z, also camera improvements welcome.

andyukking said:
Real question is, who cares?
I have seen no difference with kitkat and 4.2. apart from google now, now on the left. so I am not excited at all. The apptray needs the border removed on the Z, also camera improvements welcome.
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Overall Performance seems better on KK. The difference between ART and dalvik is pretty big in some apps aswell. 4.3 brings trim.
The camera however ... Not so sure about that. I doubt they will even update the camera stuff. Why bother spending time and money optimizing an old flagships camera when people can just buy the New flagship with a camera that is advertised to be incredible? That's how a big company works. Time is money. Sad reality.

davidvu396 said:
Question is, when are they going to release the update?
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The C6616 model hasn't even gotten the 4.2 update yet.

Ya hopefully the C6616 will see 4.3 if not we will have to flash C6603
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Your prediction of Z1 Compact software update support from Sony

How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
Discuss below!

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How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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Kitkat update for March (oficial)

nizarnoor said:
How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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x102x96x said:
be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:

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but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked!
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Why do you say that ?

One Twelve said:
Why do you say that ?
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It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.

There was a full page advert for the Z1c on the back of the free London Evening Standard newspaper yesterday.
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codified said:
Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:
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Seems like Sony is getting better and faster with updates nowadays (That was 2012 now is 2014). Look at T,V or Z for example.

Just like my favourite album from Calvin Harris : "18 Months"
at least Sony has to update this phone in 18 months update cycle.
I'm just saying

So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?

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So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?
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Yes, of course. I don't know about March but KitKat will surely come. And beyond KitKat updates will probably come as well. No worries there, really.

I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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Good views
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I don't think I could imagine being in that kind of customers shoes.
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darksideauto said:
I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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Hardware now is at the point where a high-end phone should last a good 3 years or even indefinitely.. I mean.. do we need 8 cores and 4k screens? I would not want an environment where a producer is forced to spawn new hardware just because new software is available, I would like it to happen more organically than that.
While hardware arms-race is great at drastically improving performance in new technology, there should theoretically be a limit where hardware improvements may not outweigh the cost to the consumer, and it is at this point where software takes over. Processing power and screen resolution is at a point where anything more is redundant. At least I think that software is where the future is at. I'd take a good and useful feature, instead of imperceivable pixel-density or more CPU power.
Keep in mind I'm not saying screen resolution and cpu-core improvements are worth zero, I just think they may not be worth as much as Qualcomm is trying to make us believe. Battery performance on the other hand, gimmie -- though this is equal parts software and hardware. There are many hardware improvements that are infinitely more useful than a new android-version, unfortunately they are overlooked by the naive consumer that just want whatever the producers can most easily improve upon.
I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for.
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Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.

Tograd said:
Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.
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Im not sure how to respond in a way that would not bring more negative feedback.
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nizarnoor said:
It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.
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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.

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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.
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I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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CAL7 said:
the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest market?
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Largest smartphone markets (predicted for 2014):
Country - Annual sales
China - 283 million
India - 225 million
USA - 89 million
Distant third, dude. But at least you beat Russia in the ice hockey, there's a bit of national pride to cling on to.

darksideauto said:
I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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Because Sony has always been a domestic brand (like many Japanese companies) but also with a large European arm for the majority of their products. Anything successful in both these markets will eventually find its way further afield.
Given their current financial state, you can hardly blame them for not wanting to take risks.
And let's not forget the US market for the average consumer is totally inaccessible with only one SKU per colour.
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