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Finally Solution to HDMI port (CES 12)

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
Sometimes, the simplest ideas are the best ones, and Analogix Slim Port technology certainly qualifies as both. It's a cabling solution that allows you to mirror what's on your phone or tablet's screen to your TV via microUSB -- instead of needing an extra HDMI or MHL port. Analogix's secret sauce is on a chip embedded in the jack portion of the cable and because it's based on DisplayPort technology, it can connect using HDMI, VGA, or DVI connections. Of course, as an OEM, Analogix won't be selling the cables when they go on sale this summer, but retailers like Belkin and BizLink will probably be put one in your bag for around $20 or $30 bucks.
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So now we can connect our beloved Play to that TV XD

I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play

ff7fan4eva said:
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
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i dont get you guys it clearly says it uses the MICRO USB port on the mobile device i mean how much more clearer need it be regardless ive sent an email to analogix and will tell u guys what they say

Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Hogwarts said:
Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.

TLRtheory said:
You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now

You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.

Hogwarts said:
I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.

A bit off topic, but I don't think I ever posted this while I was analyzing the play for HDMI.
According to the kernel, the Dev plays have this chipset and all Plays have the drivers for it: http://www.analog.com/en/audiovideo-products/analoghdmidvi-interfaces/adv7520/products/product.html
And this can be seen on the Dell Streak: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell-Streak-Teardown/3512/2
Now, I tore apart my Play (when I had it), and I can confirm that that chip is NOT on my retail r800i. This means that there is no "hidden" port or some unfilled solderpads that can be used to attach a microhdmi. There is NO support on the retail motherboard for it. You can't even buy the ADV7520 chip because there are no space on the retail motherboard for it.

There's no chip or hdmi port on the play I've watched dissasemblies of all types r800a,x,I
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There is a solution where you connect to a bluetooth HDMI dongle using your bluetooth and its specific app to stream phone content onto the screen, I think it was mentioned on Engadget but I cannot seem to find the link for it.

Logseman said:
check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
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so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.

Hogwarts said:
so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
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I don't have a theory, as I don't care one bit about TV output of any kind. However, you mentioned that the PSP wasn't powerful enough to beam out content, which is not a problem in the Xperia Play (or Arc and Neo for that matter).

Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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bubblegumballoon said:
Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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Pretty sure it didn't
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AndroHero said:
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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FINALLY someone bothers to actually read the goddamed article

So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.

HearthC0re said:
So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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The adapter is probably accompanied with an app. Although the app would need root acces, atleast I think so.

whilst i think this would be an awesome piece of kit if it works as intended, im a little curious as to how it actually works, afaik the cpu sends its work to the gpu for output, the gpu processes it, and outputs it to the display....so how exactly does the usb port get the information from gpu...maybe easy with root access on one device...but making it work on a wide range of devices would be crazy hard.
im not gonna straight up bash this, because they have said its a vendor agnostic solution, so im assuming they have worked out some technical magic with no downsides to pull this off. I'm all for being proved wrong, i just want to see it in action.

TLRtheory said:
You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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First statement is a bit overstated.
By capability the gpu in the PSP has a fillrate of 30 million polygons/s
I believe our Adreno has 52 mil/s
Plus instead of the capability I believe it was the limitation of USB speeds that affected the computer mirroring software.
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Miracast streamer?

Is there a device yet that exists that plugs into the TV that will let you use this? Or is this a tech that's not in use yet until the nexus 4? My 2 Google TVs suck and I'm about to give up hope on the platform...

I just ordered a Netgear NeoTV 300 which is supposed to work with Miracast and WiDi. I can't confirm until I have both it and the phone, but it wasn't too expensive and it seems like a cool gadget.

Is there a dongle you can buy?? Was trying to find it but can't find it

I can't see this technology being put into a USB dongle. If it streams HD video and audio, I think it would require a HDMI connection. With the added need for WiFi connectivity, I don't see how that can all be supported in a dongle unless it's built into the TV already and the dongle is just for WiFi.
I could be mistaken, but I think all the components would need a full router-sized receiver.

springy said:
Is there a dongle you can buy?? Was trying to find it but can't find it
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Look into this thread for dongle/cable link up.
emc523 said:
I just ordered a Netgear NeoTV 300 which is supposed to work with Miracast and WiDi. I can't confirm until I have both it and the phone, but it wasn't too expensive and it seems like a cool gadget.
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NeoTV300 doesn't have WiDi.
I want to use WiDi to stream on my old HDTV with external harddrive to link to HDTV without going through wifi router. Netgear NeoTV Max has usb port on the side. In the specs it shows possible. I'm wondering does it work well with external harddrive to see on HDTV over WiDi?

Oh, sorry, I meant NTV300SL not NTV300. I didn't realize the entry level units had the same model number.

Does anyone know if a PS3 will support it? Or perhaps a Vizio Smart TV? (I have less hope for the latter, but I have a feeling I might be in luck with the PS3.)
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kcls said:
Does anyone know if a PS3 will support it? Or perhaps a Vizio Smart TV? (I have less hope for the latter, but I have a feeling I might be in luck with the PS3.)
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PS3 doesn't have WiDi building. So it won't work for PS3 to TV. You need a device that supported WiDi and a TV that can received it. Both ends have to be WiDi compatible. That depends on if Vizio Smart TV have WiDi build-in. Otherwise you'll have to go with the boxes. I list some from the above post.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html
According to this site, PS3 does have WiDi built in.

apzalo said:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html
According to this site, PS3 does have WiDi built in.
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Intel properly offered for Sony to license WiDi but they didn't put it in their newer slim model. The older slim one doesn't have it too.

Capt.PP said:
Intel properly offered for Sony to license WiDi but they didn't put it in their newer slim model. The older slim one doesn't have it too.
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I have the original thick model.
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intel widi DLNA works on PS3. I've been trying to connect my laptop to the freaking PTV3000 but i've had no luck but my PS3 can see the laptop intel widi DLNA and it actually works with 1080p mkvs over wireless though you can tell the quality of the stream is less than optimal but it's still solid.

biggiestuff said:
intel widi DLNA works on PS3. I've been trying to connect my laptop to the freaking PTV3000 but i've had no luck but my PS3 can see the laptop intel widi DLNA and it actually works with 1080p mkvs over wireless though you can tell the quality of the stream is less than optimal but it's still solid.
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Aw, so that explained why they put WiDi supported PS3 in a way. I was replying to just WiDi build into PS3 direct without going through DLNA which still work but limited on files formats and quality since it's going through home network. I am planning to do this setup. Android now supported alot of video formats accept 10bit (with artifacts).
N4>NeoTV MAX>external harddrive>HDTV (without using wifi/home network)

kcls said:
I have the original thick model.
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So do I.
Capt.PP said:
Aw, so that explained why they put WiDi supported PS3 in a way. I was replying to just WiDi build into PS3 direct without going through DLNA which still work but limited on files formats and quality since it's going through home network. I am planning to do this setup. Android now supported alot of video formats accept 10bit (with artifacts).
N4>NeoTV MAX>external harddrive>HDTV (without using wifi/home network)
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From what I have read it shows up on the PS3 as a media server and once connected begins screen mirroring until you switch it to an extended desktop. I can't test this right now because I only have macs, but I assume android would only be using the screen mirroring function anyway.

apzalo said:
So do I.
From what I have read it shows up on the PS3 as a media server and once connected begins screen mirroring until you switch it to an extended desktop. I can't test this right now because I only have macs, but I assume android would only be using the screen mirroring function anyway.
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PS3 Media server is DLNA. Look at the picture at far right, apparently macs can do it too.

Capt.PP said:
PS3 Media server is DLNA. Look at the picture at far right, apparently macs can do it too.
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Media Servers are different from Miracast. I was talking about how the PS3 interprets the Miracast signal. I have a Media Server set up already, but I do not have a Miracast or Intel WiDi source to test on the PS3 since they are incompatible with macs.
I do not care if the phone will directly connect to the PS3 or through my wireless network. My concern is if the video will get from my phone to tv. It seems like I already own all the needed components (besides the N4 coming next week) to make this work.

apzalo said:
Media Servers are different from Miracast. I was talking about how the PS3 interprets the Miracast signal. I have a Media Server set up already, but I do not have a Miracast or Intel WiDi source to test on the PS3 since they are incompatible with macs.
I do not care if the phone will directly connect to the PS3 or through my wireless network. My concern is if the video will get from my phone to tv. It seems like I already own all the needed components (besides the N4 coming next week) to make this work.
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We'll see when you guys report back using N4 stream through WiDI DLNA of PS3 how's the quality holding up. I have PS3 but it's not connecting to a network. So, I won't be doing these tests but to wait for your results.
biggiestuff claimed using Media Server/DLNA of PS3, you lost quality integrity. Though PS3 support Widi DLNA, I doubt the quality would be any better. The best way is to use WiDi of N4 straight to a Neo Max like box that's compatible with WiDi for HDTV, because all it does it mirror the images like with HDMI when connecting to a laptop to a HDTV.

This is one of the reasons I want to get the Nexus 4.
I think I just need something like the Netgear Push2TV PTV3000
http://www.netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/media-players/PTV3000.aspx
so my TV can receive the video and audio via HDMI.
Might need an app as well?

Greefus said:
This is one of the reasons I want to get the Nexus 4.
I think I just need something like the Netgear Push2TV PTV3000
http://www.netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/media-players/PTV3000.aspx
so my TV can receive the video and audio via HDMI.
Might need an app as well?
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I'd hold fire on the Netgear - my understanding is that their current range support the draft standard and aren't reliable as yet. I think I've seen a review by J Raphael that indicates there are issues.
EDIT: can't find the review (I've been reading a lot of them as part of my pre-Nexus buildup), but I did find this warning: http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...l-buying-pre-compliant-miracast-adapters.html

Okay, so NTV300SL supports WiDi.. but does it also support Miracast? The tech is different, and I don't know if its worth investing $60 in PTV300 when NTV300SL has the same capabilties (assuming it supports miracast)

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being a total newbie to tablets i am looking to finally delve in with a nexus 10, it looks a amazing machine, and everything i am looking for, well except for one item.
i regularly use my laptop to give presentations, and need to connect to a projector via vga.
Colleagues use the iPad, and it is seamless, but personally i prefer the android route.
From all my research i have come to the conclusion that this is not feasible on the nexus 10?
cant beleive such a high ens spec machine cannot support it.
Please any one shed some light.
Thanks
kScot

VGA is low spec...
Get a HDMI to vga adapter.
Via my HTC Rezound

Adapters are cheap stuff. You will need two, though: micro-HDMI to HDMI, and from there, HDMI to VGA.

Thanks,
I assume then it just mirrors the screen?
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kiltedscot said:
Thanks,
I assume then it just mirrors the screen?
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It should, yes.

well, technically, it doesn't "just" mirror the screen, it should also output sound. still, i wonder, why you put "just mirror the screen" in your post, what more do you expect from a video out? cookies?

Chef_Tony said:
well, technically, it doesn't "just" mirror the screen, it should also output sound. still, i wonder, why you put "just mirror the screen" in your post, what more do you expect from a video out? cookies?
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It won't do audio through vga.

Kookas said:
Adapters are cheap stuff. You will need two, though: micro-HDMI to HDMI, and from there, HDMI to VGA.
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http://dx.com/p/hdmi-male-to-vga-male-converter-adapter-w-3-5mm-audio-jack-white-143070?item=2
Kapow. Who knew these existed.
Whether the Nexus puts out enough juice over HDMI to power it though, who can say without trying it.

kiltedscot said:
need to connect to a projector via vga.
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I feel for you man! At work we have to put up with the worst equipment paid for with ginormous amounts of money.
At my work, the technical coordinator bought a Smartboard, which is a giant touchscreen with a few software extras. It is about a 70" inch screen and has been introduced as the more expensive top model. Naturally, I brought some equipment to take it through a test drive - an hdmi adapter for my Galaxy S3 and some 1080p trailers.
Then came realisation - not only do they connect it via VGA to the presentation pc, it only supports 1366 * 768 max resolution (the S3 would happily output 1080p if supported). Piece Of Crap Deluxe. At least they extended a HDMI cable to where the PC stands, but it doesn't have a suitable graphics adapter. Will still look crappy anway when they eventually upgrade that one. :crying:

HDMI issues real? (about to buy)

First of all, I've read the prior threads, but my question is contextual, so please bear with me.
I currently have an Acer 500 which I use for web, email, RSS on a daily basis. On trips the HDMI-out is a lifesaver in the evening at the hotel, as anyone with kids will attest to.
In the spirit of Father's Day the Boss has authorized an upgrade, handing the A500 down to my kids for homework use.
I understand there are 2 HDMI issues with the N10:
- Scaling
(fixed in Videos and MXPlayer, and possibly with newly discovered code/app)
- Compatibility
no sound via HDMI
no video with certain TVs
I don't care about scaling, and can live with letterboxed video.
Just how bad are the TV compatibility issues, really? I know HDCP can wreak havoc between devices, but both the Acer and SGIII have worked well with every TV I've tried them with; I have decent cables/adapters. Is the problem a connector issue, or is there an inherent issue with the N10 HDMI pathway hardware? If' it's just the plug, I can return it until I get one that works. If it's the intrinsic hardware, this would be a show stopper for me.
Again, I know the prior threads on this issue, but I'm trying to gauge if this is an unfixable issue for most people.
TIA.

From what I've heard and seen, compatibility with older Panasonic-based TV's (VIERA for example) might be somewhat bad. The VIERA TV I have has working video, but no audio. Some no-name HDMI TV my friend has (can't think of the actual name) works fine for both video and audio.
Not sure if there's any general rule or anything that determines compatibility though, or how other devices handle TV's...

mageus said:
- Compatibility
no sound via HDMI
no video with certain TVs
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HDMI with video and audio work perfectly fine to most things, the problem is not that HDMI simply doesnt work but rather that certain companies do not conform to all standards properly and this causes compatibility issues. As Espionage said, Panasonic's are the big one with no audio, and Sony Bravia's also tend to have issues. I use my Nexus 10 to go into my Onkyo receiver which then passes video on to my Panasonic plasma and audio goes to my speakers. It works perfect except for the obvious scaling issue because it is not trying to send a 1080p signal. That is easy enough to live with or you can do the workaround to make it perfect if you really care that much.
The thing that sucks though is just that hotels have all sorts of TV brands, so compatibility will just be hit and miss depending on which models of TV they choose to have.

Most of the time , hdmi doesnt have sound .
Many incompatibility tv s .
I personally have a pan 30gt ... No sound .
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No problems at all using it with my LG TV.
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When you say that the video is fixed in MXPlayer, where did you see/read this? I would be interested to know because I heard it was coming but for me the scaling is not yet fixed.
mageus said:
First of all, I've read the prior threads, but my question is contextual, so please bear with me.
I currently have an Acer 500 which I use for web, email, RSS on a daily basis. On trips the HDMI-out is a lifesaver in the evening at the hotel, as anyone with kids will attest to.
In the spirit of Father's Day the Boss has authorized an upgrade, handing the A500 down to my kids for homework use.
I understand there are 2 HDMI issues with the N10:
- Scaling
(fixed in Videos and MXPlayer, and possibly with newly discovered code/app)
- Compatibility
no sound via HDMI
no video with certain TVs
I don't care about scaling, and can live with letterboxed video.
Just how bad are the TV compatibility issues, really? I know HDCP can wreak havoc between devices, but both the Acer and SGIII have worked well with every TV I've tried them with; I have decent cables/adapters. Is the problem a connector issue, or is there an inherent issue with the N10 HDMI pathway hardware? If' it's just the plug, I can return it until I get one that works. If it's the intrinsic hardware, this would be a show stopper for me.
Again, I know the prior threads on this issue, but I'm trying to gauge if this is an unfixable issue for most people.
TIA.
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espionage724 said:
From what I've heard and seen, compatibility with older Panasonic-based TV's (VIERA for example) might be somewhat bad. The VIERA TV I have has working video, but no audio. Some no-name HDMI TV my friend has (can't think of the actual name) works fine for both video and audio.
Not sure if there's any general rule or anything that determines compatibility though, or how other devices handle TV's...
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I have a Panasonic and no issues with video or sound using the N10 over HDMI. FWIW.

Bought the '10, loving it. HDMI works fine on both Sammy's at home.

mageus said:
Bought the '10, loving it. HDMI works fine on both Sammy's at home.
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and what is the price ? im looking for something in good price i found some from connection lab and try to find out if its really good

Guys, Can anyone confirm if Nexus 10 needs to charging for the HDMI out to work? My nexus 10 doesn't output via HDMI if its not connected to power.

I get no sound through my Viera too, it's pretty damn annoying actually. Regardless of their HDMI 'compatibility restrictions' or whatever, all other devices work correctly with it including my Galaxy S3 and a whole assortment of cameras, PC's and gaming consoles. Hoping for a fix in 4.3.

connectionlab is good!
So far so good. Couple of days ago I asked you about connectionlab brand, but since I have no responses I thought I'll give a chance and bought ConnectionLAB HDC-10 Premium 10m HDMI CABLE. Is beautiful!
I have to say that I'm really pleased with my new baby. Seriously, you get a good quality for a good price. My friend bought a cheap hdmi cable and sait it broke down into 2 after 15 minutes! But this one from connectionlab seems like a good choice

Amazon FireTV

I wanted to start a thread discussing Amazon's new FireTV and removing Amazon's custom ROM and using AOSP.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CX5P8FC
A great piece of hardware.
Size 4.5" x 4.5" x 0.7" (115 mm x 115 mm x 17.5 mm)​Weight9.9 oz (281 grams)​SOC PlatformQualcomm Snapdragon 8064​ProcessorQualcomm Krait 300, quad-core to 1.7 Ghz​GPU Qualcomm Adreno 320​Storage 8 GB internal​Memory 2 GB LPDDR2 @ 533 MHZ​Wi-Fi ConnectivityDual-band, dual-antenna Wi-Fi (MIMO) for faster streaming and fewer dropped connections than standard Wi-Fi. Supports public and private Wi-Fi networks that use the 802.11a/b/g/n standard with support for WEP, WPA and WPA2 security using password authentication​Bluetooth Bluetooth 4.0 with support for the following profiles: HID, HFP 1.6, SPP​Ports 5.5 mm DC Jack
Type A HDMI 1.4b output, w/HDCP
Optical Audio (TOSLINK)
10/100 Ethernet
USB 2.0 Type A​
AudioSupport for Dolby Digital Plus, 5.1 surround sound, 2ch Stereo and HDMI audio pass through up to 7.1​
Output Resolution Supported 720p and 1080p up to 60fps​
I have one on order and will be here tomorrow. 04/03/14

Seems pretty sweet. Root + ROMs even better.
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MicroMod777 said:
Seems pretty sweet. Root + ROMs even better.
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Agreed... I am not a developer any longer and do not have ties to get it moving... I guess this will be a waiting game... When we can see root & ROM

No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.

brizey said:
No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
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*A little bit of topic*
This remote I have been using for years and work just perfect with my XBMC
http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows...3171&sr=8-9&keywords=remote+control+microsoft
Cost next to nothing with a USB IR receiver.

Got my Fire TV today, can't wait for the hacking community to get in on this one. Looks like its got lots of potential, especially in the retro/emulation arena with the optional remote.
A USB keyboard works great, but the generic WMC ir receiver didn't. So that quick, cheap "hack" didn't pan out.

IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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travisnj said:
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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SkzBR said:
It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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Agreed.. My logic and reason is IR is minimally 20yrs old tech that's all but obsolete. IMO...
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Anyone interested in Rooting Amazon FireTV...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2703716

brizey said:
No gigabit Ethernet? For a streaming device that you install and never move again until its obsolete? Some of the product decisions these companies make are interesting.
Also, no IR=no integration. I know everyone here is focused on hacking it, but say you do get XBMC running on it smoothly? No universal remote or control system capability?
I tired to resist Apple and got a Roku 3. Dinking around with a second remote and the lack of Netflix profiles sent me over to the dark side.
Kind of not feeling this. The processor is nice, but all the things you are talking about can be done out of the box with something like a G-Box Midnight MX2.
Sorry to be Debby Downer.
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Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.

sluflyer06 said:
Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
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no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though

mejdam said:
no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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I'm all for fast networks, all our computers at home have one or more solid state drives so even gigabit is not enough at this point. I get why didn't they put it on the FireTV but maybe the hardware inside couldn't talk to the port at 100MB/s anyway so it might not be that these boxes couldn't have Gethernet but that if they did install it your actual throughput might be crap anyway.

Nice that we have a forum/section for this device.
More 2.0 USB ports (no need for a HUB) and Gigabit Ethernet would have definitely made it more desirable.
USB 3.0 will probably come with next year's qualcomm CPUs.
The biggest thing that I'm looking forward to is AOSP ROMs, and the bootloader hacks to install it.

sluflyer06 said:
Why would you ever need gigabit ethernet for a streaming box? Even a direct play blu-ray tops out around 40Mb...there is absolutely no need for gigabit.
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mejdam said:
no one needs 10/100/1000 but is it very handy when it comes to transfering files over a gigabit network. Also what does it hurt since gigabit has been out for years. Ouya/ Mojo/ Fire tv all have fastethernet and its annoying that they didnt put gigabit mostly because my whole network is 10/100/1000 and i hate bottlenecks.
i see your point though
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I'm all for fast networks, all our computers at home have one or more solid state drives so even gigabit is not enough at this point. I get why didn't they put it on the FireTV but maybe the hardware inside couldn't talk to the port at 100MB/s anyway so it might not be that these boxes couldn't have Gethernet but that if they did install it your actual throughput might be crap anyway.
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Lol, looks like others jumped in before I got here. For me, it is mostly about downloading to attached storage quickly. Plus, why not? Annoying to leave out a $2 part to make the magic $99 price point.
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frewys said:
*A little bit of topic*
This remote I have been using for years and work just perfect with my XBMC
http://www.amazon.com/Ortek-Windows...3171&sr=8-9&keywords=remote+control+microsoft
Cost next to nothing with a USB IR receiver.
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travisnj said:
IR is really irrelevant.. I dont use it.. Bluetooth is all we need!
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SkzBR said:
It's not only because you don't use that it means irrelevant. A lot of people have good IR remotes like the Logitech one...
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travisnj said:
Agreed.. My logic and reason is IR is minimally 20yrs old tech that's all but obsolete. IMO...
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It is only sort of obsolete. The thing is, it is the only pretty much universal control platform for AV gear. With a few exceptions like this and the Roku 3, pretty much every AV component has an IR in.
I don't have a Logitech, I have an old URC MX-880 with an RF base station. All my gear is in built-in cabinets in what was supposed to be the media niche in my family room. I have a custom built low profile fireplace mantle, and our firebox is sitting on the slab. This allowed us to mount the TV above the fireplace at a more reasonable height, and more importantly, in the center of the room. The only wires showing are the sub cable and its power cable, and even those just barely. The surround speakers are all in-ceiling ( our family room has almost no wall space...its all open to the kitchen, foyer, bedroom hallway, and windows). So the RF remote kicks butt. The Logitech remotes are nice (wish URC had as many IR codes), but they are not as flexible as a URC, even something as low-end for them as an old MX-880. I used to be in the business, so I have CCP, etc. and can program it myself.
I am not willing to give all that up for a $99 box when I have another $99 box that works with it. Plus, she-who-decides wants one f%$ing remote.
Heh, still better than an X-Box One, lol. (Google "longer cable for Kinect" if you like to read rage.)