I am currently running a Nexus 4 with PARANOIDANDROID 2.99b+ (Feb03) flashed with the Franco r53 kernel.
I wanted to try out the Matrix 6.5 kernel on my phone and was wondering if there is any step that I need to perform before flashing the new kernel. I found the following post that includes a cleaner script: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2121701
I was wondering if this is required or if we can simply flash the matrix kernel over the franco kernel. Would that be possible?
Also, would it be possible to flash the new PARANOIDANDROID release (assuming it includes a kernel) then flash the matrix kernel over that? Would this cause problems because the cleaner script was not run before flashing the new rom which has its own kernel?
Was not sure how it exactly works and was hoping that someone would be able to help me out and clarify the process.
Currently, I think your safest option is to flash the newest version of the PA rom and gapps and then flash the kernel that you want. Because a lot of the kernel developers are are making changes to things that may not be overwriten when flashing a kernel from a different developer. For example I think that franco makes changes to the ramdisk that some other kernel devs don't touch.
linelock said:
Currently, I think your safest option is to flash the newest version of the PA rom and gapps and then flash the kernel that you want. Because a lot of the kernel developers are are making changes to things that may not be overwriten when flashing a kernel from a different developer. For example I think that franco makes changes to the ramdisk that some other kernel devs don't touch.
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Cool, so I guess when we flash the rom and gapps it resets any changes that may have been made by Franco's kernel (or any other kernel for that matter). Hence, running any cleaner script is not required. Is this true?
Also, when flashing the kernel I wipe cahce, wipe dalvik, flash kernel, reboot. I read in another post that you should let it run for 10-15 minutes then reboot again to let the kernel "settle in". Is this actually required?
if you are running franco kernel, you want to either reflash your rom then the kernel, or flash the roms boot.img then the kernel. coming from other kernels, just flash the new kernel on top. the reason being that franco kernel uses its own ramdisk(and you want your roms ramdisk).
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jauwad.arshad said:
Cool, so I guess when we flash the rom and gapps it resets any changes that may have been made by Franco's kernel (or any other kernel for that matter). Hence, running any cleaner script is not required. Is this true?
Also, when flashing the kernel I wipe cahce, wipe dalvik, flash kernel, reboot. I read in another post that you should let it run for 10-15 minutes then reboot again to let the kernel "settle in". Is this actually required?
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you do not wipe anything when flashing kernels, there is no need. wiping cache or dalvik has nothing to do with kernels, its just a misconception that keeps getting passed along.
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if you are running franco kernel, you want to either reflash your rom then the kernel, or flash the roms boot.img then the kernel. coming from other kernels, just flash the new kernel on top. the reason being that franco kernel uses its own ramdisk(and you want your roms ramdisk).
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you do not wipe anything when flashing kernels, there is no need. wiping cache or dalvik has nothing to do with kernels, its just a misconception that keeps getting passed along.
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Awesome, thanks for the info. So I guess it is a safe practice to flash the boot.img (or just update the rom if you were going to anyways) and then flash the kernel.
jauwad.arshad said:
Awesome, thanks for the info. So I guess it is a safe practice to flash the boot.img (or just update the rom if you were going to anyways) and then flash the kernel.
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yup. i tell people to just reflash their rom(and gapps) with the kernel, then reboot if they were running franco kernel. but its safe to flash the stock or your roms boot.img also, then the kernel.
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then reboot if they were running franco kernel.
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I am not sure what you meant by that.
What I get out of all of this, is that if I want to try a new kernel this is what I should do in recovery:
Factory reset + wipe cache + dalvik cache
Flash new rom (PA rom in my example)
Flash gapps
Flash custom kernel if desired (Franco's kernel in my example)
Reboot
Is that correct or am I missing a step/doing something extra?
You might notice if you update your ROM (e.g. the next time PA gets updated, or if you switch to CM nightlies) that during the flash, the kernel will be overwritten - no matter which kernel you are using.
For example, flashing CM installs the CM kernel - regardless of if I was running Franco's before that. This is why apps like CyanDelta (which supports incremental updates to the ROM, but also the flashing of zips *after* flashing the ROM) are so handy. Every three days, I flash the latest CM nightly, and then Franco's kernel. If I left Franco's kernel off the CyanDelta list, the phone would be using the latest CM kernel after the flash.
EDIT: Your steps look good, if not a little bit overly protective. For instance, I don't think a full factory reset is required to test out a different kernel, generally speaking. Obviously, it wouldn't hurt to do... just takes time.
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You might notice if you update your ROM (e.g. the next time PA gets updated, or if you switch to CM nightlies) that during the flash, the kernel will be overwritten - no matter which kernel you are using.
For example, flashing CM installs the CM kernel - regardless of if I was running Franco's before that. This is why apps like CyanDelta (which supports incremental updates to the ROM, but also the flashing of zips *after* flashing the ROM) are so handy. Every three days, I flash the latest CM nightly, and then Franco's kernel. If I left Franco's kernel off the CyanDelta list, the phone would be using the latest CM kernel after the flash.
EDIT: Your steps look good, if not a little bit overly protective. For instance, I don't think a full factory reset is required to test out a different kernel, generally speaking. Obviously, it wouldn't hurt to do... just takes time.
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That is pretty cool. Would that same app work on the PA rom or is it just for CM nightly builds?
Yeah, I am doing the factory reset because its a new version of the PA rom. I prefer not to simply flash over my current rom.
If you're running the latest PA on a mako, just get their 'contrasty' kernel and no need for your voodoo rituals
I am currently on franco kernel milestone 2 and want to try trinity kernel.
I have taken a 'back-up' of the stock kernel on the franco kernel updater app before i flashed franco.
Can I now restore my phone to stock kernel using this back-up and then flash trinity?
Will this work?
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I am currently on franco kernel milestone 2 and want to try trinity kernel.
I have taken a 'back-up' of the stock kernel on the franco kernel updater app before i flashed franco.
Can I now restore my phone to stock kernel using this back-up and then flash trinity?
Will this work?
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you can. or you can just reflash your rom and trinity, dont wipe a single thing. just flash the rom, kernel, then reboot.
jauwad.arshad said:
I am not sure what you meant by that.
What I get out of all of this, is that if I want to try a new kernel this is what I should do in recovery:
Factory reset + wipe cache + dalvik cache
Flash new rom (PA rom in my example)
Flash gapps
Flash custom kernel if desired (Franco's kernel in my example)
Reboot
Is that correct or am I missing a step/doing something extra?
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Only if you have franco now and switch to another kernel. So if you want to flash franco you don't have to wipe anything.
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Hi everyone!!! Everytime when booting my phone, it's stuck on Google Logo, I have to to fastboot it with franco r14 kernel in order to get it booting done. Is there any way so I dont have to fastboot everytime I restart my phone, flash to stock kernel or franco r15 ???
I tried to flash faux123 kernel but it just did not work, stuck on Google logo...
If I recall correctly, franco kernel uses a different ramdisk so before you switch to another kernel you have to return to stock (kernel)
I suggest return to stock kernel, then flash franco r15.
http://faux.androidro.ms/mako/mako_421_reset_kernel.zip
This is what faux suggest to use to reset to stock kernel, for stock ROM only.
KyraOfFire said:
If I recall correctly, franco kernel uses a different ramdisk so before you switch to another kernel you have to return to stock (kernel)
I suggest return to stock kernel, then flash franco r15.
http://faux.androidro.ms/mako/mako_421_reset_kernel.zip
This is what faux suggest to use to reset to stock kernel, for stock ROM only.
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thks for ur help. please forgive for my limited knowledge, u mean if I want to flash faux or franco kernel,I have to flash stock kernel first ??? I currently using stock rom right now with CM
ptt1404 said:
thks for ur help. please forgive for my limited knowledge, u mean if I want to flash faux or franco kernel,I have to flash stock kernel first ??? I currently using stock rom right now with CM
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If you're in franco, before you switch to another kernel you have to return to stock kernel.
I don't know why you're stuck with Google logo in the first place with franco, but if you're just switching between kernels, especially when there is franco kernel involved, return to stock kernel will likely solve the problem.
If you flash a brand new ROM to your phone does the kernel (and RAMDISK changes) go away?
I'm asking because I have another Kernel and ROM running on my phone and I'm thinking of flashing a new (completley different) kernel and ROM as well, a lot of kernel developers require you flash a stock kernel before switching to another kernel, then flash the kernel of choice.
I'm scared to brick my phone...
So what would be the steps I need to take to change kernels and update my current ROM?
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If you flash a brand new ROM to your phone does the kernel (and RAMDISK changes) go away?
I'm asking because I have another Kernel and ROM running on my phone and I'm thinking of flashing a new (completley different) kernel and ROM as well, a lot of kernel developers require you flash a stock kernel before switching to another kernel, then flash the kernel of choice.
I'm scared to brick my phone...
So what would be the steps I need to take to change kernels and update my current ROM?
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Which kernel are you planning to switch to?
When you need to flash the stock kernel first in order to flash their kernel, they will tell you in the OP. You can flash the stock kernel every time you flash a new kernel if you like.
I'm swittching from Motley to franco, I'm staying on the same ROM (xylon)
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I'm swittching from Motley to franco, I'm staying on the same ROM (xylon)
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Just flash Franco's kernel as is. No need to do anything else.
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I recently rooted my nexus 7 and now im trying to flash clemsyn's kernel to it, however i haven't been able to get it to work. I've tried rebooting into recovery and wiping the cache and dalvic cache, then installing from zip, but it always fails. any idea why?
You flashed it on which rom? I think it's not compatible with your rom.
Ensure you read the OP of the thread to verify that the kernel is compatible with the version of Android that you're using. Remember, always RTFM, even if you think you know what you're doing.
Do you have to flash a ROM before you flash a kernel?
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Do you have to flash a ROM before you flash a kernel?
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Roms include a kernel and will overwrite the previously installed kernel. If you want to flash a custom kernel in conjunction with a rom, you always flash the kernel after the rom.
Oh! That makes sense. I'll try that later and see if it works
Hi, I have some question about flashing a custom kernel (+Franco kernel):
1. Let's say I have Franco Kernel and a new version comes out, do I need to flash it again or I can use the app to flash it? Also, do I need to wipe something before I flash?
2. If I switch to another kernel from Franco, what exactly do I have to do? Just wipe cache+dalvik and re-flash my rom?
3. Will I have to re-flash the kernel after each rom update?
Thanks!
Hi I'm not sure about #1 because I don't use Franco's app, but 2) Sometimes you can just flash a new kernel over the old one. Personally I prefer to dirty flash my ROM, then flash my choice of kernel. 3) You'll need to flash the kernel after a ROM update. The ROM is compiled with it's own kernel.
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Hi I'm not sure about #1 because I don't use Franco's app, but 2) Sometimes you can just flash a new kernel over the old one. Personally I prefer to dirty flash my ROM, then flash my choice of kernel. 3) You'll need to flash the kernel after a ROM update. The ROM is compiled with it's own kernel.
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So I need to dirty flash my ROM (=wipe cache+dalvik & flash) then install a new kernel? Thanks.
Still need an answer to Q1 though
I use CM 10.1 and just flash the new Franco kernel ZIP over the old one and it's been fine...
[email protected] said:
Hi, I have some question about flashing a custom kernel (+Franco kernel):
1. Let's say I have Franco Kernel and a new version comes out, do I need to flash it again or I can use the app to flash it? Also, do I need to wipe something before I flash?
2. If I switch to another kernel from Franco, what exactly do I have to do? Just wipe cache+dalvik and re-flash my rom?
3. Will I have to re-flash the kernel after each rom update?
Thanks!
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1. When a new version comes out all you have to do is flash the new version on top of the old one. You can simply download it from the app and let it do a auto-flash. No need to wipe anything.
2. It depends. Some kernels will need you to flash the stock kernel first then flash the custom kernel you want to you. Ex. Faux kernel. Don't forget to read the first post of every thread to look for installation instructions.
3. Yes, you will need to reflash the kernel after a rom is flashed. Make sure to flash the kernel last.
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scream4cheese said:
1. When a new version comes out all you have to do is flash the new version on top of the old one. You can simply download it from the app and let it do a auto-flash. No need to wipe anything.
2. It depends. Some kernels will need you to flash the stock kernel first then flash the custom kernel you want to you. Ex. Faux kernel. Don't forget to read the first post of every thread to look for installation instructions.
3. Yes, you will need to reflash the kernel after a rom is flashed. Make sure to flash the kernel last.
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1. Does the app need a special recovery to work? I have a TWRP recovery..
2. What do you mean by stock kernel? And is it correct that Franco is the only kernel that I need to re-flash my ROM to switch to another kernel because it changes something in the ramdisk? If so, do I just need to do a dirty flash?
Thanks.
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1. Does the app need a special recovery to work? I have a TWRP recovery..
2. What do you mean by stock kernel? And is it correct that Franco is the only kernel that I need to re-flash my ROM to switch to another kernel because it changes something in the ramdisk? If so, do I just need to do a dirty flash?
Thanks.
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1. No special recovery needed. I too use TWRP.
2. Nothing special need be done to flash to Franco. Going from Franco to another kernel it is easiest to reflash your ROM. You are correct about the ramdisk.
grubbster said:
1. No special recovery needed. I too use TWRP.
2. Nothing special need be done to flash to Franco. Going from Franco to another kernel it is easiest to reflash your ROM. You are correct about the ramdisk.
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2. So going from Franco to another kernel - just dirty flash without a factory reset?
Thank you very much.
[email protected] said:
1. Does the app need a special recovery to work? I have a TWRP recovery..
2. What do you mean by stock kernel? And is it correct that Franco is the only kernel that I need to re-flash my ROM to switch to another kernel because it changes something in the ramdisk? If so, do I just need to do a dirty flash?
Thanks.
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1. Having a recovery is good. When you download a new kernel there is an option to let it do a auto-flash and it'll flash it you. The phone will reboot itself when it's done.
2. Some custom kernels need to flash the stock kernel, (the original factory kernel that it's shipped in) if you're going to switch to another custom kernel like Faux's kernel. So when the next time you want to make a switch to another kernel, please make sure to read the first post of the thread to look for instructions to install the kernel. If you're updating to a new rom or switching to a new rom, you will need to flash whichever custom kernel you were using on top of the updated/new rom. When you flash a new rom, it is recommended to do a full wipe to avoid issues. After every rom flash you need to flash the kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008222
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[email protected] said:
2. So going from Franco to another kernel - just dirty flash without a factory reset?
Thank you very much.
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No. no. You don't need to do a factory reset. I don't know how many times I'm going to say this but read my answers to all of your questions again. (Don't mean to sound like a jerk or anything)
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1. Having a recovery is good. When you download a new kernel there is an option to let it do a auto-flash and it'll flash it you. The phone will reboot itself when it's done.
2. Some custom kernels need to flash the stock kernel, (the original factory kernel that it's shipped in) if you're going to switch to another custom kernel like Faux's kernel. So when the next time you want to make a switch to another kernel, please make sure to read the first post of the thread to look for instructions to install the kernel. If you're updating to a new rom or switching to a new rom, you will need to flash whichever custom kernel you were using on top of the updated/new rom. When you flash a new rom, it is recommended to do a full wipe to avoid issues. After every rom flash you need to flash the kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008222
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No. no. You don't need to do a factory reset. I don't know how many times I'm going to say this but read my answers to all of your questions again. (Don't mean to sound like a jerk or anything)
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I think that's what he was saying/asking... That's correct, no need to factory reset.
I'm currently on Franco Kernel but want to change to ElementalX kernel.
I've read that you can't just install the new kernel over the old kernel is that true?
Will I need to do wipe my device in order to install?
It's recommended to dirty flash stock or your rom, depending on what you use. No need to wipe anything.
Regards,
JoKe_42 said:
It's recommended to dirty flash stock or your rom, depending on what you use. No need to wipe anything.
Regards,
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I'm not using any ROM just the Franco kernel.... so I should just flash over Franco with ElementalX kernel?
Newerabs said:
I'm not using any ROM just the Franco kernel.... so I should just flash over Franco with ElementalX kernel?
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Flash a stock boot.img (which is the stock kernel) first then flash SuperSU if you want root, then flash elemental.