We need a separate thread for the Japanese variant SO-02E, which is significantly different to the world-edition. One seg, IR, and a completely different ROM including the palette UI separate this phone from the rest of the world.
Furthermore, the rom will be locked, the sim-tray will be docomo-locked.
Eventually, we are hoping for a port of the world-Xperia Z ROM to this phone, or even AOSP.
It is out very soon
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dont see enough English speaking people getting it
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kornklown69 said:
dont see enough English speaking people getting it
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I hate docomo ui ...I know I can use a different launcher but can't uninstall docomo apps
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dont wont see enough any English speaking people getting it
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Correction... Because it's locked to docomo. You can't insert any simcard plus it's bootloader is not unlockable so there won't be any interests on that device here or anywhere on the world.
Also why would it need a new forum? The Xperia ZL is much more deserving than the japanese Z.
Well, I, for one, will be purchasing this phone.
I see more than enough English speaking people getting this phone, for there to be a place to discuss how to modify the Japanese version, especially to accomodate a stock ROM, or PA or something.
I think the thread is far more justified than many others in this forum, but that's unrelated to the topic in hand.
martindesu said:
Well, I, for one, will be purchasing this phone.
I see more than enough English speaking people getting this phone, for there to be a place to discuss how to modify the Japanese version, especially to accomodate a stock ROM, or PA or something.
I think the thread is far more justified than many others in this forum, but that's unrelated to the topic in hand.
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The only reason you'll buy it is if maybe you live on japan and your subscribed to docomo right now. It is not like HTC J Butterfly on which you could use outside japan and insert whatever sim you want. Plus what are you talking about PA or other ROMs? Like I said before it's bootloader is unlockable so you can't flash kernels so no AOSP/CM roms on the jap version.
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Like I said before it's bootloader is unlockable
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Can you find a citation from japanese media for non-unlockability? Not saying it might not be true, but I don't trust requoted translated sources.
The XZ is getting incredible levels of buzz in Japan. Most of any handset in any of the carriers' spring lineup by at least 10x.
My contract is not up until end of May though so I can wait and see what the initial fallout is.
martindesu said:
Well, I, for one, will be purchasing this phone.
I see more than enough English speaking people getting this phone, for there to be a place to discuss how to modify the Japanese version, especially to accomodate a stock ROM, or PA or something.
I think the thread is far more justified than many others in this forum, but that's unrelated to the topic in hand.
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I'm sorry but if u go through the forums u will see that Japanese only versions do not get there own threads but I am happy that "You for one will be getting this device" sorry my friend
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Can you find a citation from japanese media for non-unlockability? Not saying it might not be true, but I don't trust requoted translated sources.
The XZ is getting incredible levels of buzz in Japan. Most of any handset in any of the carriers' spring lineup by at least 10x.
My contract is not up until end of May though so I can wait and see what the initial fallout is.
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I'm not basing my statement on any sources but only on past sony devices.
It's a very common knowledge to all sony verteran users that any sony phone which is carrier locked has an unlockable bootloader. That's where tools like setool2 came grand on the year 2010-2011.
Riyal said:
I'm not basing my statement on any sources but only on past sony devices.
It's a very common knowledge to all sony verteran users that any sony phone which is carrier locked has an unlockable bootloader. That's where tools like setool2 came grand on the year 2010-2011.
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You keep on using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Well, we'll all see in 2 weeks. Docomo has been the least locked down of the japanese carriers in recent years, and we're now in the post-Xperia-S-project days. Fortunately I have 3 months for all the reports to trickle down before I can get a new subsidy handset, and there's the alternative of going with the OG Pro (which is competitive with the XZ spec-wise and has 3000mah battery) or the new Fujitsu Arrow.
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You keep on using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Well, we'll all see in 2 weeks. Docomo has been the least locked down of the japanese carriers in recent years, and we're now in the post-Xperia-S-project days. Fortunately I have 3 months for all the reports to trickle down before I can get a new subsidy handset, and there's the alternative of going with the OG Pro (which is competitive with the XZ spec-wise and has 3000mah battery) or the new Fujitsu Arrow.
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Yeah it's a good thing also the docomo version will be out earlier than the original version at the very least we could really see. If indeed it's bootloader is really unlockable then I might as well get one myself too.
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Yeah it's a good thing also the docomo version will be out earlier than the original version at the very least we could really see. If indeed it's bootloader is really unlockable then I might as well get one myself too.
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You're confused. Most carrier phones will have a *locked* bootloader. Unlockable is usually when the phone is purchased outright... you can then unlock via official tools and easily flash a custom rom. There are codes you can put into the dialer to see whether the bootloader can be unlocked, though i don't remember what it is right now
M.
As a user outside Japan, development on docomo version is also appreciated because a dump of some useful apps may be possible.
More hostility than I was expecting! Thanks, y'all
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It is not like HTC J Butterfly on which you could use outside japan and insert whatever sim you want.
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Untrue. Docomo phones can be unlocked since April 2011. After unlocking, I will be able to put my UK SIM card into the phone and use it in the UK. Then go to the US with my T-mobile US SIM and use it there. Please check before making such statements.
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Plus what are you talking about PA or other ROMs? Like I said before it's bootloader is unlockable so you can't flash kernels so no AOSP/CM roms on the jap version.
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I use Paranoid Android on my Docomo SC-04D. When I bought it, I unlocked the bootloader, rooted, and installed a ROM from the international section. I hope to do the same with this device.
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I'm sorry but if u go through the forums u will see that Japanese only versions do not get there own threads but I am happy that "You for one will be getting this device" sorry my friend
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Hello my friend. I would like to familiarise you with the following XDA threads:
NTT Docomo Galaxy Note II SC-02E Root Japan
[REQ/INFO]Galaxy S3 Japan (SC-06D) root
[Q] Sim unlock for japanese android phone (007SH)
Unfortunately, I don't have all day to go through the many, many examples one can find of Japanese phone-specific threads on XDA.
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You're confused. Most carrier phones will have a *locked* bootloader. Unlockable is usually when the phone is purchased outright... you can then unlock via official tools and easily flash a custom rom. There are codes you can put into the dialer to see whether the bootloader can be unlocked, though i don't remember what it is right now
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I know... lol this was my main point. Please read the entire thread as I was insisting that usual phones which was carrier locked comes with a locked bootloader also. I am very much knowledgeable of this issue since 2010.
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Untrue. Docomo phones can be unlocked since April 2011. After unlocking, I will be able to put my UK SIM card into the phone and use it in the UK. Then go to the US with my T-mobile US SIM and use it there. Please check before making such statements.
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Erm... We are confusing each other with unlocking bootloaders and network unlocking.. They're 2 different things. And yes I do believe you can network unlock the docomo xperia Z. I'm just doubting about the case for unlocking bootloaders.
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I use Paranoid Android on my Docomo SC-04D. When I bought it, I unlocked the bootloader, rooted, and installed a ROM from the international section. I hope to do the same with this device.
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This is not the case with sony. They habitually lock the bootloaders of their phones which are carrier locked like the other guy who posted which I quoted above. But like I said let's see if the docomo xperia Z will indeed be having an unlockable bootloader. If yes I will be buying this device for sure.
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Hello my friend. I would like to familiarise you with the following XDA threads:
NTT Docomo Galaxy Note II SC-02E Root Japan
[REQ/INFO]Galaxy S3 Japan (SC-06D) root
[Q] Sim unlock for japanese android phone (007SH)
Unfortunately, I don't have all day to go through the many, many examples one can find of Japanese phone-specific threads on XDA.
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Just a quick note. Before you buy the docomo version of Xperia Z please look at this first.
On the
Rooting status:
Bootloader unlock allowed: Yes
If it says "yes". Buy it if "no" then don't and go for the international version. Or else your won't even get any chances of rooting your device, flashing custom ROMs, Remove bloatware, Flashing custom kernels.
You can get to that screen by typing *#*#7378423#*#* on the dialer.
Yep, I know the difference in locking
Mobile at the moment, just took this
What's the screen like on that bad boy? I've read there were all sorts of complaints about the display...blacks not deep enough...something about a yellowish tint...it appears to be ok on some of the pictures here
I'm mainly concerned about the display and battery Life (especially while using LTE)...anyone have any thoughts or information?
I'm really excited about this phone though...hopefully it'll come out early-mid-February in Hong Kong! Sony Mobile HK is revealing precious little >=(
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Yep, I know the difference in locking
Mobile at the moment, just took this
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There you go I proved my point and theory that every sony phone which is network locked also has a locked out bootloader
I suggest you wait for the international version instead with an unlockable bootloader that way you get to enjoy the phone and enjoy the xda community support it gets. Although I really like the docomo version because it has the IR beam but I guess you can't have everything... So yeah back to Xperia ZL for me...
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What's the screen like on that bad boy? I've read there were all sorts of complaints about the display...blacks not deep enough...something about a yellowish tint...it appears to be ok on some of the pictures here
I'm mainly concerned about the display and battery Life (especially while using LTE)...anyone have any thoughts or information?
I'm really excited about this phone though...hopefully it'll come out early-mid-February in Hong Kong! Sony Mobile HK is revealing precious little >=(
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The black color should be ok but not as great as amoled... because on amoled black colors means the pixels on the display are off(no power) so yeah nothing can be blacker than something which doesn't light up.
Regarding battery life nobody could really determine that as of the moment. I don't think enabling LTE alone would consume battery that much but if your on LTE + doing some heavy download/streaming then most probably your battery would deplete in hours of use. But I don't judge a device which I haven't used yet. It's a flagship device and it's has a non removeable battery. Sony has alot of great minds in their company and won't be dumb enough to make a phone with irreplaceable if it can't withstand heavy usage. Cause that would just sink their reputation alot more.
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@martindesu
since you have access to Xperia Z at the moment could you also check if it has built in storage encryption? It's on Settings->Storage->Storage encryption
Sony tend to remove that feature to their devices for some unknown reason but I'd like to know if it's the same for Xperia Z.
Also is the display calibration setting still there?
GiantMuffinMan said:
What's the screen like on that bad boy? I've read there were all sorts of complaints about the display...blacks not deep enough...something about a yellowish tint...it appears to be ok on some of the pictures here
I'm mainly concerned about the display and battery Life (especially while using LTE)...anyone have any thoughts or information?
I'm really excited about this phone though...hopefully it'll come out early-mid-February in Hong Kong! Sony Mobile HK is revealing precious little >=(
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I sincerely hope that the Z does not have the "yellow tint" that the S had. I had five Xperia S units, all had the tint/gradiant to some degree.
GiantMuffinMan said:
What's the screen like on that bad boy? I've read there were all sorts of complaints about the display...blacks not deep enough...something about a yellowish tint...it appears to be ok on some of the pictures here
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I think the display is simply gorgeous. As you can see in my less-than-perfect Gnex pictures!
Related
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/devel...e-boot-loader-in-the-new-xperia™-smartphones/
Oh wow, I don't think anybody expected that these unbranded ROMable devices might just become -very- popular!
As I said a week ago this was in the works
Wam bam thank you mam SE will rock this year if they keep going this direction
I saw the news -- really good move from S-E!
This and their promise to give the X10 an update to 2.3.3 are signs that S-E is really improving and taking their customers serious, and that they want to win in the Android race!
I'm excited that S-E is showing signs that of wanting to work WITH and FOR their customers (you know, the ones who buy their phones, as opposed to operators) and not AGAINST, as many other manufactures...
One thing I'm wondering is, is this only happening with factory unlocked phones, or will it work if we buy a locked phone first, and then din unlock after
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Straightflush said:
One thing I'm wondering is, is this only happening with factory unlocked phones, or will it work if we buy a locked phone first, and then din unlock after
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All phones will have a locked bootloader by default. Unbranded and simlock-free phones will be unlockable through some tool Sony Ericsson will release (probably).
You can check if your device is unlockable by connecting it to fastboot. If fastboot recognizes your phone, you will be able to unlock it when Sony Ericsson releases its tool.
Hmmm... any Rogers customers got any clues?
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Straightflush said:
Hmmm... any Rogers customers got any clues?
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Does Rogers usually simlock their phones and/or put custom apps on Android devices? If yes: you will not have a permanently locked bootloader. Only unbranded handsets without simlock will be unlockable.
Ambroos said:
Does Rogers usually simlock their phones and/or put custom apps on Android devices? If yes: you will not have a permanently locked bootloader. Only unbranded handsets without simlock will be unlockable.
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Yeah, Rogers usually adds a number of their own apps and they change the bootscreen to some crap Rogers one instead of the stock one.
Well, was on the fence about the Arc, but now I am getting it...
Will jump to dual core later this year, I just love the design of this one ^^
Time to go back to SE it seems!
hopefully it will be possible at some point to make the phone think it is the same as the unlocked ones... I will keep checking, because since I'm using a f'in htc magic right now. My phone is great, running cyanogen and everything, but still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too old, I kinda need one, but want something I can have fun with...
Got this from Sony Ericsson:
To enable this, we will later launch a web service where an unlock boot loader key can be retrieved by entering your IMEI. This key will be used in Fastboot where you perform the actual unlock boot loader sequence. A more detailed instruction will be provided later, when this service is available.
Depending on the original configuration of your phone, it will be either be possible or not possible to unlock the boot loader. No phone updates are required to enable this functionality.
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So, if you provide an IMEI of a permanently locked phone, you will not get an unlock code, and even if you would get one, it wouldn't work. Looks like a pretty foolproof way!
I don't like when SE use the word ''later''...it can be 3 or 6 month ''later''
At least we already have 2.3 and the software seems to be relatively stable and snappy. I don't need a custom rom yet.
It's not only for custom roms but also for mods like camera and audio boost
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It's not only for custom roms but also for mods like camera and audio boost
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i want bass boost cause the bass isnt that good to be honest
bobbanj said:
i want bass boost cause the bass isnt that good to be honest
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I think that are your headphones, I have good in-ears from Sony, and I really like the sound of my Arc! Clear, warm sound, at least as good as my Walkman.
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use poweramp =)
I have IE6 earphones and they sound awesome with the phone... better then the iPhone 4
stick to topic anyway
Hello,
I am pondering the possibility to buy the Samsung Galaxy S II and have heard quite a few rumors that this phone will have a locked and encrypted boot loader making it impossible to use alternative ROMs.
I am sure hackers will take very little time in fixing this but am still wondering. Has anyone seen tangible claims of encrypted/lock boot compared to the I9000 (which I own atm).
Thanks!
Expansys has a 32 gb model listed as coming april 11th but pricing is not yet announced
galaxinho said:
Expansys has a 32 gb model listed as coming april 11th but pricing is not yet announced
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Yes, no definite date. Doesn't answer my question though
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Yes, no definite date. Doesn't answer my question though
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Samsung's own website mentions encryption, but doesn't give enough detail for us to know if it'll be custom ROM friendly yet. I'm sure it'll take very little time once the phone is released to let you know, just hold tight until then!
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Samsung's own website mentions encryption, but doesn't give enough detail for us to know if it'll be custom ROM friendly yet. I'm sure it'll take very little time once the phone is released to let you know, just hold tight until then!
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Link please?
I suppose you are referring to the data encryption that Samsung mentioned in its splash page? I really doubt they would post information about a Locked Bootloader on their website as it really wouldn't do them any good publicity wise.
sarsh11 said:
Link please?
I suppose you are referring to the data encryption that Samsung mentioned in its splash page? I really doubt they would post information about a Locked Bootloader on their website as it really wouldn't do them any good publicity wise.
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Yeah, I said encryption. Of course we have no idea about the bootloader until it's released or someone techy gets their hands on one! That's why I said we have to wait. Sorry if my post was ambiguous.
SamFirmware just tweeted, Samsung are using same ODIN for Galaxy S II, just with new .PIT file. So it will be flashable.
Broomfundel said:
SamFirmware just tweeted, Samsung are using same ODIN for Galaxy S II, just with new .PIT file. So it will be flashable.
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Yes saw that but it doesn't mean it is flashable just like that until you see it working. Good start anyway.
FRLinux said:
Hello,
I am pondering the possibility to buy the Samsung Galaxy S II and have heard quite a few rumors that this phone will have a locked and encrypted boot loader making it impossible to use alternative ROMs.
I am sure hackers will take very little time in fixing this but am still wondering. Has anyone seen tangible claims of encrypted/lock boot compared to the I9000 (which I own atm).
Thanks!
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There's already a running topic on this question found here.
Beards said:
There's already a running topic on this question found here.
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Thanks spotted it afterwards.
FRLinux said:
Thanks spotted it afterwards.
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No problem... Your not the only one who has started a topic and found later it's already running.
That link I passed you is actually a second topic on another which was started a day earlier here.
That means we now have three topics covering the same (although each will fragment as further posts are made).
Everyone has their needs/requirements for a phone but for me-personally to fulfill my individual desires and needs it would need to be unlocked 100%. Otherwise I will jsut have to keep my captivate
As I do not approve of manufacturers locking hardware that I paid for with my hard earned money and now own.
HappyBallz said:
Everyone has their needs/requirements for a phone but for me-personally to fulfill my individual desires and needs it would need to be unlocked 100%. Otherwise I will jsut have to keep my captivate
As I do not approve of manufacturers locking hardware that I paid for with my hard earned money and now own.
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Seem the norm these days on android handsets but keep in mind that the mobile market has always liked a locked an tight device.
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SE was from the very few to lock the bootloader with X10 and now they decided to unlock the simfree Arc, HTC locked their Incredible S in another hand
I don't think sammy will lock the bootloader,just a little security for the formalities that can be easily decoded by happy devs
vegetaleb said:
SE was from the very few to lock the bootloader with X10 and now they decided to unlock the simfree Arc, HTC locked their Incredible S in another hand
I don't think sammy will lock the bootloader,just a little security for the formalities that can be easily decoded by happy devs
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Yes over time there is always a way. But that said, new devices tend to have better boot loader locking.
Has there been any update on whether the S2 have a locked bootloader?
monkley said:
Has there been any update on whether the S2 have a locked bootloader?
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Search this very forum. Several threads opened about this but only speculations until someone has one and messes with it.
Locked bootloader...
So I see the chat regarding the locked bootloader on the sg2...I also see people on the forum actually have the device...could they some how check and see if it is locked?
I have been going round in circles looking for a new phone...finally decided on the sam sg2 to find out they are going down the same route as moto!
So, to all the happy owners of a shiney new sg2...whats the dealo!?!?!?
owners of the sgs2 in this forum? you must be mistaken lol...
sam locking the bootloader? who told you that nonsense?
they wouldnt dare to lock the bootloader. its 1 of many reason why sgs 1 succeeded as it did.
if they want sgs2 to be a successful device as well they wont lock the bootloader. it makes sense that the bootloader will be UNlocked.. but then again you can never tell... we might be like if we will find out its locked. followed by and then after we will unlock it. leading to
I just read an article on Gizmodo with same topic so wanted to share it with the community to answer the big question, Why don't Google do some thing good with Motorola and its old devices.
http://gizmodo.com/5940715/hey-goog...-out-a-jelly-bean-phone-when-you-own-motorola
Ask NASA why they cannot send a man to the Moon like in 1969?
"All you need is money..."
sms2000 said:
Ask NASA why they cannot send a man to the Moon like in 1969?
"All you need is money..."
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True and since they recently downsize 20% i think we should give them some time before they start to kick so ass. After all they are Mother [email protected]#$%^& Google.
Well, at least they are offering Jelly Bean/ $100 discount for those who own Motorola devices launched in 2011 and later.. That's a start, yeah?
Sent from that Atrix... Motorola, where's my ICS?!
Yeah...in the US only ! Because **** the rest of the world right ?
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Yeah...in the US only ! Because **** the rest of the world right ?
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Honesty so few people know or care about updates have like 3 friends with droids that didn't know their sensations had upgrades waiting. So obviously we are the vast minority. Also who on xda doesn't have an unlocked bootloader. I'm sure we'll have fruitcakes soon after the us launch
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About three months ago I purchased Samsung Galaxy Note for its screen size mainly. Getting to that age it hurts looking at small screen for a long period of time. Unfortunately, I have been left without my Samsung Galaxy Note for a month because of the mess and very poor service I have received from my network provider. On the happy note, I'm collecting a brand new one today. So I have been using my Atrix heavily again in the past month.
I have now owned my Atrix for over a year now and I can say I have never been happy with the software side of Atrix. When I started using Samsung Note I even more realised how badly Atrix's ROM was cooked. I own the international version of Atrix and Motorola never released any updates after the GB firmware upgrade in the UK. I'm extremely furious I had to put up with Motorola's shortcomings and ignorance towards its international users.
I cannot simply throw away my Atrix as I still need the phone as Samsung Galaxy Note is too big to carry in my pocket. I rather carry Atrix in my pocket than Note but I prefer using Note for everything else and Note is a pleasure to use for both reading and writing. I love it.
I have never unlocked the bootloader for the warranty reason first and then I don't believe custom ROMs are that better when it comes to the reliability. What deeply bothers me is that Motorola will not allow I unlock the bootloader legally/officially even after my two year european warranty is over. Take my word for it I would unlock the BL after the warranty is over should I need to and wouldn't give a monkey to Google/Motorola about it.
Atrix would still be a good backup phone even for the entire 2013 so I am wishing Motorola would finally do the right/honorable thing by releasing a solid ROM, be it ICS or JB. There is a significant difference between GB and ICS when it comes to user-experience and that is why Atrix will shine with it.
As it stands, I would never give my money to the Motorola again even if they had the best phones on the market. Making promises to the new customers when you have not shown loyalty to your old customers only shows your business hasn't been changed. I would have believed Motorola when they gave international users a solid quarter release date for older devices when on stage trying to sell new handsets. What Motorola did to international Atrix users and other devices is not something I would forget that easily. I will always be there to tell my experience about you, Motorola.
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Also who on xda doesn't have an unlocked bootloader.
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All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with an unlockable bootloader.
Google owns Motorola but they are not getting any special treatment. They have to wait lie any other manufacturer.
Motorola unveils 3 new Razr phones : http://usat.ly/RLZI8u
Read towards the bottom.
"Woodside says Motorola is not getting favorable treatment from Google though it's now part of the Google family. "Motorola is treated the way every other (manufacturer) is treated," he said during an interview. The company receives the Android software code the same day that rival handset makers get it. And Google doesn't get any special exposure to Motorola engineers."
That being said, this thread's question is answered.
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ravilov said:
All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with an unlockable bootloader.
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All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with a LOCKED bootloader.
There, fixed it for you...
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consolation said:
All those people that had the latest official update installed which came with a LOCKED bootloader.
There, fixed it for you...
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No, he's right, a lot of people got their Atrixes with an unlockable bootloader, you can find plenty of info about it here in the forum.
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sms2000 said:
Ask NASA why they cannot send a man to the Moon like in 1969?
"All you need is money..."
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Did they..... ?
u gotta be kidding me
MaxK47 said:
No, he's right, a lot of people got their Atrixes with an unlockable bootloader, you can find plenty of info about it here in the forum.
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No! They got a LOCKED bootloader.
Unlockable = can be unlocked and unsigned firmware installed.
Locked = can NOT be unlocked, you can ONLY install official signed firmware from Motorola.
Even if English is your second language, this is basic grammar.
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consolation said:
No! They got a LOCKED bootloader.
Unlockable = can be unlocked and unsigned firmware installed.
Locked = can NOT be unlocked, you can ONLY install official signed firmware from Motorola.
Even if English is your second language, this is basic grammar.
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OK, fine. I guess what I meant was UNunlockable.
Nitpick.
EDIT: I guess the actual proper term would be "non-unlockable".
ravilov said:
OK, fine. I guess what I meant was UNunlockable.
Nitpick.
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To his credit, you did say the exact opposite of what you were trying to communicate I chuckled at ununlockable though.
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I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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epsix said:
I tweeted them.
@sonyxperiauS * @SonyXperia* US version of Z1s bootloader is NOT unlockable. I'm returning it until you give us option to unlock.
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It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.
Can't say I'm suprised in the least. It's supposed to be Tmobile exclusive flag ship. That said it's not the first locked bootloader the world has seen. Is just a matter of time before someone figures out a workaround.
We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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nightfox11 said:
We can still flash international stock ROMs right? That good enough for me if I ever feel the need to use a custom rom I have my note 3 for that.
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I doubt it, since the internal memory layout is different.
Rekoil said:
It isn't up to Sony, the carrier has told Sony it wants to buy phones with locked bootloaders, blame your carrier instead.
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Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.
eclyptos said:
Exactly, Z1s was meant to be for TMO so we can't blame Sony. Actually many people advice us to do not buy the Xperia from Carriers because of that, but like all the times many do not search and read carefully.
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Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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epsix said:
Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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epsix said:
Reasons I waited for T-Mobile is WiFi calling and it has all the bands for their network. I just hope we can obtained root soon, can't live without it.
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On locked bootloader should be no problem, the root come soon. Someone just complain because of permanently locked bootloader and no custom kernels for them.
Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/
Agreed. Rooting is essential at the very least.
Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
We chose this device for superior styling, specs, and build quality. And i hope i speak for others too when i say that i jumped to T-Mobile (despite concerns of service quality) because i was tired of the service i was receiving from my old carrier. I am thus far very pleased.
John Legere claims that all his grand ideas were the result of listening to customers carrier woes. Honestly he is the reason i switched. Not because i think T-Mobile will be the best carrier, but because i think he can/will change the industry and that deserves a little faith. Well i think it's time for John to have a little faith in us.
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Honestly we should write a letter to Mr Legere with attached signatures from users of all android devices petitioning for the unlocking of bootloaders on all currently supported and future handsets.
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock? Hell they could require that the handset be paid off or that the user be enrolled in the jump program (insured).
We need to show manufacturers and carriers how big the Android modding community is and let them see that this community is the future of android and all mobile device development.
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oxidax said:
Is there or will there be any way to root without unlocking the bootloader? I dont really care about flashing the rom but rooting is a whole different story for me :/
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Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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POMF2K said:
Am i correct in assuming this does not affect sim unlock?
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Yes, you are correct.
eclyptos said:
Yes, Z1 can be rooted with Locked Bootloader so Z1s will be too, give them some time.
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Thats great then! Its my first time with a non nexus phone so thats why im like freaking out lol!
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Maybe we can put the TMOUS firmware on a C6906.
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Has there been much dev progress here? As soon as someone dumps a FTF, C6906s can start flashing them and seeing what breaks. I have an AT&T sim card, though, so I can't really help. I ended up with a Telus C6906 anyway, so it's locked BL.
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Sony and T-Mobile need to realize that people who purchase this device are very discerning consumers and tech users. We didn't just settle for the s4.
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Honestly, I don't think they want to win the "discerning and technical" crowd so much as they just want a big market share. The portion of the marketshare who cares about root/unlock BL/customization is not big enough for them to fight carriers and keep the product financially viable. The carriers are going to push way more sales volume than Sony could on their own, so Sony has to appease them. If it wanted to, maybe Sony could become the Tesla of handsets (distribution without dealerships), but there's no precedent or market case for all that leg work.
Never get a phone without permission to unlock bootloader guys
if u want a cheap phone, just get parallel version
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, so it's locked BL..
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It's locked permanently or can be unlocked?
Technically, "carrier bootloader locked." As in, "bootloader unlock allowed: no". The official unlock procedure doesn't work, obviously, but I'm confident that this is possible to reverse.
I've been doing some research on how to bypass this (talking to Sony dev, reviewing how it was done on the Z), but haven't had much time since the holidays to actually hack the hardware yet.
Never huge fan of Sony, I only purchased this cause its water resistance. After seeing how easy it is to brick this device, i wouldn't even try to unlock BL even if it's unlockable. But really wants root though. :thumbup:
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Edit:
you annoying bastards did it
4.4.4 are live on the site as usual.
go download em https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/recovery-images
edit 2:
they are still missing the VRZ. but i think that is just red tape (red, get it?) from VRZ.
doesn't hurt to continue to bug them
edit 3:
sad that we had to annoy each other but it's finally complete. maybe next time don't include a annoy.timer setting with such lower timer in your OTA app :/ (it really has that name). or make it not jump in front of gps and calls... well i should learn not to use stock roms...
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hi, if you also have a developer edition phone, and are pissed that morola only provides 4.4.2 and 4.2.2 images, making it impossible to restore a dev device back to stock for any reason, whithout a complex (and probably dev edition warranty voiding?) downgrade procedure, please, do bug them and ask for it.
the steps are:
1. open a chat (or call 1-800-734-5870 ) at https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/mcp/service/
2. mention that you have a developer device
3. say that the page at https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/recovery-images is impacting your device usage
3.b optional. you can mention the fact that being on stock 4.4.3 and being unable to update, you will get the 4.4.4 update warning every couple minutes, even on top of the GPS while you are driving!
4. mention that the page reads "to help owners return to the latest Motorola software." on the very first paragraph.
5. recall them that the latest motorola software is 4.4.4 or at least 4.4.3
do not give up until they say "i'm escaling this to L2." whatever that means
thank you! Only with lots of people bugging them they will do something about it.
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make noise on social networks!
FB: to do
G+: https://plus.google.com/112569377970438652007/posts/NwVH9HQ6EcC
tweet: to do
tumblr: to do
reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/2jxvdo/please_do_your_part_to_get_official_444_and_443/
(comment with the links to the above and i will update here)
Thanks for this. Doing so as we speak.
UPDATE:
Well that was highly discouraging. After being told that unlocking my bootloader wouldn't void my warranty but that to flash one of the recovery images would require root and that would void my warranty (you can be sure I responded to that, LOL!), I was told that what's up there is what's up there and that they'd pass on my request to the appropriate party. LMAO. Basically, don't hold your breath. And people wonder why I'm getting a Nexus 6. I'm sick of companies treating unlocked devices as second class citizens. My S4 GPE has never seen an ODIN image. Officially, we've got recovery images that are 2 versions old for the GSM X DE. is that acceptable to anyone? It's not to me.
SamuriHL said:
Thanks for this. Doing so as we speak.
UPDATE:
Well that was highly discouraging. After being told that unlocking my bootloader wouldn't void my warranty but that to flash one of the recovery images would require root and that would void my warranty (you can be sure I responded to that, LOL!), I was told that what's up there is what's up there and that they'd pass on my request to the appropriate party. LMAO. Basically, don't hold your breath. And people wonder why I'm getting a Nexus 6. I'm sick of companies treating unlocked devices as second class citizens. My S4 GPE has never seen an ODIN image. Officially, we've got recovery images that are 2 versions old for the GSM X DE. is that acceptable to anyone? It's not to me.
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thanks for trying man! for me it was pretty smooth.
I did mention that i was on stock 4.4.3, installed on motorola themselves on my phone. I only had a custom recovery, because, well, that is the reason i got a developer phone. The rep never asked me if i rooted or not. because it is irrelevant as you know and mentioned above.
i'd try again later on. maybe you get a rep with a clue. either way, thanks again for trying.
We need volume! c'mon folks.
Done deal!
Ooof.. hopefully Moto will realize that they need to do this as we'll need that to update to 5.0 if released!
Well, let's see if this helps....
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livinginkaos said:
Well, let's see if this helps....
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good idea. i'm not much on social networks, but
can you give me a proper link? i will pass it around at school and work email lists to get people to bump this.
Actually, i can update the top post with tweets, FB, G+ links that everyone can repost/like/+1 etc.
sadly, i'm on none of those networks
https://plus.google.com/112569377970438652007/posts/ZYZpw33AoRA
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https://plus.google.com/112569377970438652007/posts/ZYZpw33AoRA
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it says, this post cannot be found:
dumb google plus said:
This post could not be found.
This URL may be incorrect, the post may have been deleted, or the post may not have been shared with this account
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Sorry, that one was semi private. This one should work.....
https://plus.google.com/112569377970438652007/posts/NwVH9HQ6EcC
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livinginkaos said:
Sorry, that one was semi private. This one should work.....
https://plus.google.com/112569377970438652007/posts/NwVH9HQ6EcC
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thanks! added! and +1ed
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thanks! added! and +1ed
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I plus one your post but was unable to leave a comment.
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SamuriHL said:
Thanks for this. Doing so as we speak.
UPDATE:
Well that was highly discouraging. After being told that unlocking my bootloader wouldn't void my warranty but that to flash one of the recovery images would require root and that would void my warranty (you can be sure I responded to that, LOL!), I was told that what's up there is what's up there and that they'd pass on my request to the appropriate party. LMAO. Basically, don't hold your breath. And people wonder why I'm getting a Nexus 6. I'm sick of companies treating unlocked devices as second class citizens. My S4 GPE has never seen an ODIN image. Officially, we've got recovery images that are 2 versions old for the GSM X DE. is that acceptable to anyone? It's not to me.
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Looks like when google sold Moto they lost their responsibility for keeping the devices up to date with factory images. Luckily and thanks to you SamuriHL I have this from you to pull my stock 4.4.4 images for my xt1060 dev edition. http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fxz-moto-x-4-4-4-212-55-26-t2827307
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I plus one your post but was unable to leave a comment.
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Looks like when google sold Moto they lost their responsibility for keeping the devices up to date with factory images. Luckily and thanks to you SamuriHL I have this from you to pull my stock 4.4.4 images for my xt1060 dev edition. http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fxz-moto-x-4-4-4-212-55-26-t2827307
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Yea, unfortunately that doesn't help us GSM DE users. I'm incredibly frustrated. Well, it just strengthens my resolve to get a Nexus 6. At least with that I know the images will be posted by Google in a very reasonable timeframe. For my S4 GPE I have to make them myself which is equally frustrating. On the X GSM DE we may have to get to a point of a hybrid "FXZ" where we fastboot some partitions, reboot into custom recovery, and then flash a pulled system image. That just seems really wrong when it wouldn't take Moto very much to host the damn images for us.
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Yea, unfortunately that doesn't help us GSM DE users. I'm incredibly frustrated. Well, it just strengthens my resolve to get a Nexus 6. At least with that I know the images will be posted by Google in a very reasonable timeframe. For my S4 GPE I have to make them myself which is equally frustrating. On the X GSM DE we may have to get to a point of a hybrid "FXZ" where we fastboot some partitions, reboot into custom recovery, and then flash a pulled system image. That just seems really wrong when it wouldn't take Moto very much to host the damn images for us.
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Completely agree. That is one good thing about the nexus. You can count on those image files being released in a timely matter. Thanks again though for your work. It gave me the stock images I needed for my Dev edition. Very much appreciated! As well as you old house of bionic I used on my wife's old bionic lol
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Completely agree. That is one good thing about the nexus. You can count on those image files being released in a timely matter. Thanks again though for your work. It gave me the stock images I needed for my Dev edition. Very much appreciated! As well as you old house of bionic I used on my wife's old bionic lol
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The images I got came from stras. I just post them as he gives them to me. He's awesome. Also, not to get off topic, but just so you're aware my House of Moto and RSD Flasher tools will work for your X DE and that FXZ.
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The images I got came from stras. I just post them as he gives them to me. He's awesome. Also, not to get off topic, but just so you're aware my House of Moto and RSD Flasher tools will work for your X DE and that FXZ.
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Thanks for your time and tools. However, once I learned how to manually flash image files I left the toolkits alone. But if I was to use a tool I would trust yours.
Nothing has changed. I have it on good authority that this amounts to a bureaucratic oversight and will be taken care of ASAP.
All the right people are aware of the issue and working to address it.
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Nothing has changed. I have it on good authority that this amounts to a bureaucratic oversight and will be taken care of ASAP.
All the right people are aware of the issue and working to address it.
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That's actually really good to hear. Thanks for the info!
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That's actually really good to hear. Thanks for the info!
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No problem! Hopefully it will be soon. The person i spoke with used to do this personally and build and sign the zips himself but has delegated that to an underling who has had a full plate and hasn't gotten to it yet, unfotunately.
He assured me there had been no change in policy regarding the availability and posting of these files!
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No problem! Hopefully it will be soon. The person i spoke with used to do this personally and build and sign the zips himself but has delegated that to an underling who has had a full plate and hasn't gotten to it yet, unfotunately.
He assured me there had been no change in policy regarding the availability and posting of these files!
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That is truly excellent news. I was very concerned since they only have 4.4.2 up there and 4.4.3 has been out for months now. Yes we've been able to get leaks until recently but we should be able to get them officially and the sbf site hasn't been updated since early September.
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Not sure why you guys are praising nexus. My experience with N1 was awfull. stuck on 2.3 forever. zero support. hardware problems that should have been recalled completely ignored and dismissed by google and htc... well, i think i will have my opnion change when N4 gets 5.0 (which is it capable on hardware)
also, you are all ignoring the fact that the next nexus will be churned out by motorola. and will be a even bigger phablet than motoX2.
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No problem! Hopefully it will be soon. The person i spoke with used to do this personally and build and sign the zips himself but has delegated that to an underling who has had a full plate and hasn't gotten to it yet, unfotunately.
He assured me there had been no change in policy regarding the availability and posting of these files!
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nice! (assuming that policy was to provide more than two images...) will continue to bug them daily. so you can tell your friend to tell the underling to ask for a raise! management will surely say yes