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Good idea or bad idea? HTC mulling own phone OS

Looks like HTC is considering creating their own smartphone OS:
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=5814
Good idea or a bad one? I vote bad since it does nothing but dilute the market even further. And while their Sense UI on WinMo may be buggy because of the fact that it runs on top of WinMo, it's not encouraging to see that they haven't found a way to fix the problem with their text messaging app after all this time.
And who will write apps for that OS?

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Bad Idea.
Android is too new to just write it off at this point in the game. I know it has its issues, but I personally think it's the future.
Windows Phone 7 is brand-spankin' new. I don't like it, considering all that I've heard about it. Like how they plan to lock it down. But if they can get a decent app store up and running, they could be competing with Apple very quickly. Never count Microsoft out. Google made that mistake and now look at Bing.
iPhone OS 4.0: Apple pretty much just granted 90% of the wishes that people harbored. Sure, it's still locked down, but my friends swear by their iPhones. Personally, I can't stand 'em. I even gave my 2yo daughter my iPod Touch (2nd Gen), no joke.
Maemo and Nokia are now in bed together, which means that Android is in for a world of hurt, at least in Japan and Europe.
Too many cell phone manufacturers roll their own OS. This is always a problem with people like me, who want to be able to control their phones.
If HTC were to release the OS source code, I would be happy to give it a shot. Unfortunately that only happens when the OS is based on an already-open system, like Linux
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Ack, looks like I can't add it after I create it. Perhaps a mod can add it for me.

HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!

sirphunkee said:
HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!
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WebOS, under proper management and direction, and coupled with HTC's literal hardware design genius could be something I'd consider serious potential competition for Android.

Sense UI on Windows Phone 7 after all...

Drew Bamford, HTC's head of User interface development explained that, although Microsoft bans modifications of UI, there will be a version of UI that "wont change, but supplement WP7" in some way.
There wont be radical changes like so far, but we can expect enough to cover the home screen that is found to be ugly by many folks here.

Saw that the other day. I am pleased by the news. While I do not really dislike the WM7 home screen, I like Sense much more. I could care less about social networking so all of that integration into the WM7 home stuff is a waste IMO.

10332007 said:
Saw that the other day. I am pleased by the news. While I do not really dislike the WM7 home screen, I like Sense much more. I could care less about social networking so all of that integration into the WM7 home stuff is a waste IMO.
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Quite right too. It's about time for a backlash against the lazy assumption by those building mobiles and their OSs that we are all fifteen years old with an innate inability to talk to other people in person or wannabee authors and self publicists who feel that the rest of the world is in some way interested in sharing the very few vaguely sentient thoughts they have during the course of their tedious little days.
I just scratched my arse - LOLZ.

Gustopher said:
Quite right too. It's about time for a backlash against the lazy assumption by those building mobiles and their OSs that we are all fifteen years old with an innate inability to talk to other people in person or wannabee authors and self publicists who feel that the rest of the world is in some way interested in sharing the very few vaguely sentient thoughts they have during the course of their tedious little days.
I just scratched my arse - LOLZ.
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LOL or LMAO or LMFAO!

I cant see it being anywhere near as customisable as sense as we know it........
Im hopeful but ready to be disappointed............
Sorry for being such a downer lol

Don't expect it to be anything like the Sense we know and love in 6.5 it will most likely be a hub or tile (what ever they call those stupid squares) with a clock and weather in it. They can not impliment their own UI on Win7.
Forbes said:
Microsoft's February announcement that it would exert more control over the phones that use its upcoming mobile software, Windows Phone 7, would seem to be a challenge for HTC. After all, the Taiwan-based smartphone maker has made a name out of layering inventive software on top of other companies' mobile platforms.
But HTC says its custom software, which it calls "Sense", will live on, even on Windows phones. Drew Bamford, who heads HTC's user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October.
"Microsoft has taken firmer control of the core experience [in Windows Phone 7], but we can still innovate," says Bamford. The future version of Sense, he adds, won't look the way it does on current Windows Mobile (6.5) phones, where it basically replaces all the core applications and is fully integrated into the phone.
Nevertheless, HTC is optimistic about the Windows Phone 7 launch, according to Bamford. "We won't be able to replace as much of the core Windows Phone experience, but we will augment it," he says. Feel free to read the rest
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So don't expect it to be pretty you will still get to look at those stupid squares on your homescreen.

Gustopher said:
Quite right too. It's about time for a backlash against the lazy assumption by those building mobiles and their OSs that we are all fifteen years old with an innate inability to talk to other people in person or wannabee authors and self publicists who feel that the rest of the world is in some way interested in sharing the very few vaguely sentient thoughts they have during the course of their tedious little days.
I just scratched my arse - LOLZ.
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Oh you just summed it up right there, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this social networking **** has gone way too far. You made me giggle.

Would you sell your GS3 for a WP8 phone?

I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
I still got 3 weeks to return mines to the AT&T store, is anyone else here considering switching to a WP8 phone? I'm also interested to see what the new iphone looks like too. One thing that pisses me off about Android are that the iOS apps always look way way better than Android, Google really needs to start putting in some standards with these developers. I still can't play many of the Gameloft and EA games on this phone that I've purchased a while back.

Its all advertisement nothing elsr honestly i feel like wp is a little bit too boring customisation compared to android is no match only reason i stick whit android is because its open source and lot of customisation and so on..
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Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.

I just switched from an iphone to the S3 and I'm not sure I agree with you about the IOS apps looking better. The ones I've used that they both have in common look pretty much the same to me. As a matter of fact, some of the android versions look nicer and have a better user interface.
I have zero interest in the windows phone. Until they can compete with the number and variety of apps available for ios and android, it won't appeal to me at all.
btw, I also have 3 weeks left in my return period and I'm pretty sure I've decided to stick with the S3. Sure it has its bugs and annoyances but so will every phone. The only two things that have kept me from committing 100% to it so far are the battery life problems and the wifi problems. Time will tell.......

I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG

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Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.
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Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.

Aridon said:
[/COLOR]I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro.
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I didn't like the Metro on the WP7, but that WP8 looks alot better better because you can resize them, they seem alot like widgets. Also, now you can use a MicroSD card, have dual-core processors, and have larger screens.
M$ seems to get their act straight this time around, they probably got tired of Apple taking their marketshare.

Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.

There's a Windows style launcher on the market.

tekhna said:
Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.
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Aridon said:
I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG
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I dont see the potential in windows phone honestly i mean its just plain boring i have tried one ...
At first it felt like a new toy and over the few first day i got bored it lacks customisation that alone worth staying whit android ...
Whit the new jelly bean 4.1 it will be very hard to get beaten by windows or even ios6 ...
The future is android from my point of view...
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NIKKG said:
I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
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I don't think it makes sense to ask others to a judgement call for you. Especially on an Android forum.
Re: iPhone and Android "not being quite there"—you do realize that's exactly what every reviewer says about Windows Phone 7?
Windows Phone 8 is a rewrite so I would not have high hopes for the first generation of phones. Also, the demos are made to impress. You should take them with a grain of salt.

Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...

Don't count Microsoft out. WP7 is a great OS.
I find the question odd seeing as the OS isn't out yet with it's new hardware. But having used WP7 I know that's it's going to be a great update. WP7 is a great OS, and while the phones might be under powered compared to apple and android phones, they still hold their own which says a lot about the optimization of the OS. Kudos to Microsoft for that. The only detracting thing is the apps, but with the new Windows 8 using Metro apps, I can easily see WP8 giving android and ios a run for their money.

While, i dont see myself standing in line for a Windows mobile device. I do enjoy the fact knowing that it will be another direction away from IOS...:good:

I am in agreement with you. We are not in need of another company hell bent on controlling us. For crying out loud why don't these company's see or understand this? I am partial towards Android. I don't mind Apple to much. Well with the exception of the whole let's sue everyone and there mother's attitude. That part pissed me off to no end. And I do hope it turns around and bites them in the ass. I do hope the never go anywhere. Because as much as I do like Android, I like the fact that Android has competition. Google is big enough and has enough money that if all competition were gone. They might just try to pull some Apple/Microsoft crap. I do think that Google and Apple are to hig as is. Just like our governments. And Microsoft is big also. But in a different way. They are like tha big dopey kid on the block. You know, the one that would like to make you his hitch but is to stupid and slow to do so? Lol!
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NIKKG said:
Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.
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I was like that with my HTC inspire and not so bad with my GSII. Flashed a new one every day or so. It was awful I had to try them all. I'm keeping my GSIII stock for now too. You can customize plenty through market
My bf had WP7 and it was awful. Looked nice but just wasn't practical he hated it, NEVER worked right. He had 4 within the firsts few weeks from button issues(however that was HTC issue)

Windows phones are fast and stable. I used the Samsung focus on mango for several months and I was sold on wp7. Not one single force close or lag. However, my HTC Titan had serious mic issues so I returned it and ended up with my galaxy skyrocket. I do like having the ability to customize with android, and I think the SIII would be worth the contract. The SIII will hold its value and if you decide to go wp8, just eBay or Craigslist your SIII when that time comes. I myself want the SIII but waiting for the right deal.
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ronin4740 said:
Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...
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gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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lesd777 said:
gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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Google Maps is immeasurably better than Bing Maps.

Top Windows Phone 8 Features you Should know!

I cannot write such a big one here so directly posting the link.
http://winappleworld.com/top-windows-phone-8-features-you-should-know/
WHats your catch about it?
Better then Android??
Put in your thoughts in that Website's comment.
More people will get the information and reviews

You are kidding right?
Data sense - lost in action
Kids corner - useless to most people
Ie10 - most mobile websites are programmed to use WebKit.
Rooms - useless unless everyone has a wp8 device
Wallet and NFC - useless
Work flow and voice - been out for years on android
I'm very disappointed in wp8. It is in no way competitive. I have an iphone5, galaxy s3 and htc 8x. The 8x isn't even close to the other devices. And no I'm not a troll. Only someone talking from experience.
Major fail Microsoft. Wp8 is totally uncompetitive.

Dr.Paul said:
You are kidding right?
Data sense - lost in action
Kids corner - useless to most people
Ie10 - most mobile websites are programmed to use WebKit.
Rooms - useless unless everyone has a wp8 device
Wallet and NFC - useless
Work flow and voice - been out for years on android
I'm very disappointed in wp8. It is in no way competitive. I have an iphone5, galaxy s3 and htc 8x. The 8x isn't even close to the other devices. And no I'm not a troll. Only someone talking from experience.
Major fail Microsoft. Wp8 is totally uncompetitive.
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Why come here and post about it? that is considered trolling. We like it, so don't care about your opinion.

WP8 has a lot of going for it. They need more app support, then it can go head to head with android.

gilesjuk said:
Why come here and post about it? that is considered trolling. We like it, so don't care about your opinion.
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The op asked for opinions. Microsoft also asks (even if they don't listen) for opinions. Expressing an opinion different to your own is not trolling.
That said...
I like the kids corner thing... really its multi user mode. I just don't think it is a bullet point for 99% of consumers. I watch parents hand their phones to their kids for entertainment every day. Its a nice feature to have multi user environments but needs a better selling job from ms. Think "risque photos on a girls phone, being handed to dad, to make a phonecall" , yes , there is a win.
The features that other phones have had aren't really a huge selling point, if wp just implemented them. It comes across as 'me too!'
If people dont notice the new home screen, its not "new" enough. Having to point out that a puppy has "really floppy cute ears, see !" Means they aren't a big deal, or aren't floppy or cute, or NEW enough. That part is painful to watch. I really felt sorry for the salesman in the wp videos on youtube.
If noticed though, that the latest youtube channel videos are playing on the "smoked" promotion idea. Sending a text message 3 seconds faster (or other very practiced objectives by the host) is a yawner now. It was funny at first with 'smoked' but the stacking of the deck spoiled the fun, people resented it. Guess Microsoft's advertising dollars are learning, and persistant, even to a fault.

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You are kidding right?
Data sense - lost in action
Kids corner - useless to most people
Ie10 - most mobile websites are programmed to use WebKit.
Rooms - useless unless everyone has a wp8 device
Wallet and NFC - useless
Work flow and voice - been out for years on android
I'm very disappointed in wp8. It is in no way competitive. I have an iphone5, galaxy s3 and htc 8x. The 8x isn't even close to the other devices. And no I'm not a troll. Only someone talking from experience.
Major fail Microsoft. Wp8 is totally uncompetitive.
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You're delusional. You also obviously are missing the entire point of a mobile experience. They can all have the same features across the board, the implementation is the key focus here. Windows Phone is a joy and ease to use. iPhone is extremely simple to use, but the potential and implementation of it's features are a headache. The ONLY thing that those other two platforms may have over Windows Phone is the marketshare and mindshare to utilize their potentials. Once specific WinPhone8 apps begin to come out, and I mean REAL apps utilizing the new developer features, then you'll see this come to the forefront even more. Android can clean me after a bowel movement, doesn't mean it isn't the most inefficient OS ever created, REQUIRING multiple cores to even be close to the fluidity of Windows Phone. I got honest with myself and said "do I really need the ability to install multiple file explorers on my phone?"

FiyaFleye said:
You're delusional. You also obviously are missing the entire point of a mobile experience. They can all have the same features across the board, the implementation is the key focus here. Windows Phone is a joy and ease to use. iPhone is extremely simple to use, but the potential and implementation of it's features are a headache. The ONLY thing that those other two platforms may have over Windows Phone is the marketshare and mindshare to utilize their potentials. Once specific WinPhone8 apps begin to come out, and I mean REAL apps utilizing the new developer features, then you'll see this come to the forefront even more. Android can clean me after a bowel movement, doesn't mean it isn't the most inefficient OS ever created, REQUIRING multiple cores to even be close to the fluidity of Windows Phone. I got honest with myself and said "do I really need the ability to install multiple file explorers on my phone?"
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edit... wait a second, they all have the same features ? really ? cmon man, its ok to be a fan, but that's rediculonk.
don't worry, android is peaking now, and wp or ios will have 70+ marketshare next. that should be just in time for wp9 or 9.5
will wp be ready, or will ios whoop em again ?

C'mon ohgood, your reading skills are better than that, I said "they all can" focusing on the fact that the experience is the main issue. WP does not lack in any necessary consumer feature
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You don't have to have wp8 device to use "rooms" It's coming to android & ios also.

FiyaFleye said:
C'mon ohgood, your reading skills are better than that, I said "they all can" focusing on the fact that the experience is the main issue. WP does not lack in any necessary consumer feature
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ahhh, "they all can" as in a comparison, not "they all do". sorry, I missed that the first time. gotit.
the rest was "chicken before the egg, which is first" as far as developers go. I was serious in the question as to whether wp9 will be ready when android share starts declining. the developers and mindshare needs to be priority number 1 right now at microsoft campuses.
given past quotes from microsoft, wp8 was in develope
ment when wp7 was released. hopefully wp9 is well underway, tiles have been rethunk, along with opening the platform up and feeding devs everything NOW. (sorry for the run on)
might be a good idea to keep all these wp8 early adopters in mind too... hard to get folks to walk across the same burning bridge twice.

Mate even i have an iPhone 5
Dr.Paul said:
You are kidding right?
Data sense - lost in action
Kids corner - useless to most people
Ie10 - most mobile websites are programmed to use WebKit.
Rooms - useless unless everyone has a wp8 device
Wallet and NFC - useless
Work flow and voice - been out for years on android
I'm very disappointed in wp8. It is in no way competitive. I have an iphone5, galaxy s3 and htc 8x. The 8x isn't even close to the other devices. And no I'm not a troll. Only someone talking from experience.
Major fail Microsoft. Wp8 is totally uncompetitive.
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Dr.Paul said:
You are kidding right?
Data sense - lost in action
Kids corner - useless to most people
Ie10 - most mobile websites are programmed to use WebKit.
Rooms - useless unless everyone has a wp8 device
Wallet and NFC - useless
Work flow and voice - been out for years on android
I'm very disappointed in wp8. It is in no way competitive. I have an iphone5, galaxy s3 and htc 8x. The 8x isn't even close to the other devices. And no I'm not a troll. Only someone talking from experience.
Major fail Microsoft. Wp8 is totally uncompetitive.
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Used a GSIII for about 26 days, it was easily the worst experience I've had on a mobile device. Before you ask yes it was on the stock AT&T ROM. Bloatware everywhere and applications wouldn't be in alphabetical order. It felt unorganized and not uniform to me, I must have OCD and require theme colors lol.
Personally found myself using my phone a lot less when I had the GSIII then when I had my Lumia 920 in just the day to day of whipping it out and messing around with it. Also Skype never worked consistently on the GSIII that was a real pain.
In a side note most reviewers said you have to use two hands on the 920...I single hand it constantly with no issues whatsoever. Guess my hands are freakishly strong or I'm not a little girl.

Mister Locke said:
Used a GSIII for about 26 days, it was easily the worst experience I've had on a mobile device. Before you ask yes it was on the stock AT&T ROM. Bloatware everywhere and applications wouldn't be in alphabetical order. It felt unorganized and not uniform to me, I must have OCD and require theme colors lol.
Personally found myself using my phone a lot less when I had the GSIII then when I had my Lumia 920 in just the day to day of whipping it out and messing around with it. Also Skype never worked consistently on the GSIII that was a real pain.
In a side note most reviewers said you have to use two hands on the 920...I single hand it constantly with no issues whatsoever. Guess my hands are freakishly strong or I'm not a little girl.
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Apps in alphabetical order on the S3? Tap menu, view mode, alphabetical. Done. Should have read the manual.
Bloat ware? Load the standard rom. Done.

Dr.Paul said:
Bloat ware? Load the standard rom. Done.
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Which requires rooting your phone in the process, thus voiding your warranty.
This is why Android sucks. You should never make such a significant change for your device to work. Never.

Dr.Paul said:
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I am kidding
Data sense - will be there soon
Kids corner - great feature with two kids in the house using our phones to play games
Ie10 - useful and will grow
Rooms - useful with growing number of friends and family owning a WP8 device
Wallet and NFC - useful
Work flow and voice - finally on WP and so much better than on android
I'm extremely satisfied with wp8 and the numbers and sales show that it is and will be very competitive. I used an LG Quantum and what a delight the Lumia 920 is over that. And yes, I am a troll and I am someone talking from experience.
Major move Microsoft. Wp8 is totally competitive.
My point here is that your opinion has nothing to do with decent evaluation. Just using the word "useless" to describe a feature's downside is pretty useless.
cheers

derausgewanderte said:
......the numbers and sales show that it is and will be very competitive.....Major move Microsoft. Wp8 is totally competitive.....
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if you have sales numbers post a link... otherwise, yes enjoy being a fan

ohgood said:
if you have sales numbers post a link... otherwise, yes enjoy being a fan
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LOL, never reply to a troll like myself. So where are your numbers then?
and yes, I enjoy being a fan, that's why I'm here....

derausgewanderte said:
LOL, never reply to a troll like myself. So where are your numbers then?
and yes, I enjoy being a fan, that's why I'm here....
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I haven't seen any sales numbers yet, so when someone mentions its selling fine.... I ask for numbers

mcosmin222 said:
Which requires rooting your phone in the process, thus voiding your warranty.
This is why Android sucks. You should never make such a significant change for your device to work. Never.
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No it doesnt.

mcosmin222 said:
Which requires rooting your phone in the process, thus voiding your warranty.
This is why Android sucks. You should never make such a significant change for your device to work. Never.
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root= does not void warrantee. root= full software access, to the user.
...android sucks, never have to make change....
you mean, removing oem installed bloatware is a bad idea ? say it again, OEM INSTALLED BLOATWARE, not operating system bloatware. remember all those laptops / desktops that came preinstalled with norton, from the store? did microsoft install that mess, or did the oem ? hmmm

nokia lovers...

i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
discuss.

Nice video
ohgood said:
i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
discuss.
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Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless

Only problems I see will be the hardware and distribution.
Otherwise it could be a home run.
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Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.

PG2G said:
Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.
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"bring competition to wp8" ?
third place is still up for grabs between meego/jolla, bb10, wpx, and whoever is still left.
keep in mind, this "thing" was started by the engineers of nokia, pre-elop'd nokia... remember them ?
annnnd, they built in the possiblity to run android apps, so their app market will be huge, immediately.
never underestimate the engineers.
more than anything I was curious what the wp folks that were impressed by tiles thought of the ui.

buffalosolja42 said:
Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless
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Agreed. the other perspective is, it will be doing everything your current ios/droid/wp7 or 8 does, in its very first release...
I wonder how well it handles resources and multitasks. looks smooth so far.

Its Meego engineers, multitasking will be amazing.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.

mcosmin222 said:
Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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I second this, you can even see the Android logo clear as day at the 0:50 mark.

mcosmin222 said:
Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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Lol

This does look cool, Caught sight few days ago, As far as I can tell it's Meego developers continuing their work after leaving Nokia, #sailfish , Can't see it being a threat to ios or Android but maybe to Wp depending on how the final relase pans out, All I can say is keep your eyes on jolla as it's certainly got potential.

It looks pretty cool, it has a nice distinctive visual style. Though the homescreen is really just a mix of WP live tiles with iOS icons docked at the bottom.

If Jolla secures solid hardware suppliers it will be in my pocket.
Too bad Elop didn't see past the windows logo.
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ohgood said:
i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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What do I think? That's a complicated question. I can tell you how I feel:
Annoyed that they used a Nokia in their demo. Since they don't have anything to do with them anymore they should have used their own hardware. Especially since they have stated that there will be no official 950/N9 support.
Sad and melancholy since the N9 was the single best Mobile I've used in the last couple years. It was the last thing I felt that was truly, truly "Nokia". Man was the N9 good. And boy do I miss it since:
I feel tired and short tempered with Windows Phone. Already. Here's a thought for Microsoft: Instead of spending dollars and time on celebrity endorsements and dog and pony shows? Or quasi secret launches? Or useless crap like “kids corner" and “rooms"? You make live tiles actually work reliably, every time. Or have separate volume controls? Or fix the Wi-Fi timeout screen bug? Or actually build an IE that completes with Chrome and Safari for a Mobile device? VPN support? Or not have to take up valuable home screen space on a battery percentage application? That really cool lock screen app integration I have yet to see? A solution for notifications that should have launched with 7? You know: simple stuff that should have been supported out of the gate, at launch. If I read one more comment about it coming in an update I'll explode. Because I'm really wondering what they did with their time in between 7.5 and now.
I feel mystified with Nokia. How on earth can you release the 920 with such a fantastic, fantastic camera at low light and be so ridiculously bad at daylight shots. Seriously? How do you not get fired for this?
I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.

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What do I think?....
.....I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.
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no mean spirits at all... your opinion and pointing out of the possible dtd shortcomings are appreciated.
what hardware it runs on doesn't matter to me at all. I got the feeling it was running on a nokia device as a longing by the software engineers to use something familiar (affection) and prove their ideas (then and now) are well founded and have merit. maybe to slap elop with a clue ? dunno, I'm not in their heads or discussions.
the resemblance of sailfish to palmos, android, and wp means it may have a really beautiful future for us. the competition this os will generate will be a win for all the consumers. I hear blackberry may be renetering in a huge way soon too... and welcome the real and furious competition for third place.

The N950 was most likely used because that phone was actually developed by Nokia as a MeeGo development device. Given that this is the basis of the current Sailfish OS it makes sense to use that hardware (drivers are already there, etc.)
Aside from that I don't believe that this will really go anywhere. The problem is that either they have their own Apps (which is highly unlikely due to the fact that developers don't exactlly jump at the chance of another incompatible OS) or use Android Apps which means that none of the special features the new OS would have would be used by those and that they would look and feel completely different than the rest of the OS, resulting in an incoherent mashup (like Android has been for quite some time, although it is getting better now with Holo).
In the end Apps and the so often mentioned ecosystem is what makes and breaks smartphone OSes nowadays. It won't have the first or at best run ones that are alien to the OS and key assets Nokia released with MeeGo like Nokia Drive won't be there. With the rest of the ecosystem it seems to look even worse. None of the music streaming services, movie rentals, etc.
I actually liked MeeGo as a concept and I wish Jolla luck with their endeavour but I actually believe that Elop took a long look at what MeeGo was, where it was going and how long that would have taken and when he saw that it would just not do entered into talks with Google and Microsoft. In the end Microsoft put the better deal on the table (or could anyone imagine Google paying 1 billion dollars a year for platform support). Also it would allow Nokia to monetize there mapping assets as part of the platform, which would have been a lot harder on Android given that Google Maps was already there. If it was the right decission - we'll see but ditching MeeGo at least to me - and even after having seen what Jolla did with the OS - was the one part of this whole story that was necessary.

OSs like Jolla will be great at pushing forward all of the competition.
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That's assuming that between Apple/Google/MS that they wont sue them out of being operational at all though. And then there's the whole thing of finding a HW partner that is willing to take on Apple/Google/MS as well as Carriers (Carriers at least in the US elsewhere in the world, where most phones are bought as unlocked and at their 'market pricing' doesn't have as much of an issue with Carrier support as we do sadly).

Looks like what The n9 could have been. Looks nice.
However, Windows is a big name, and the development forward with w8/rt might be interesting.
I hope wp8 takes flight, but only time will tell. I think it will.