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Hello All,
I am using HTC wildfire for past one month and I just love this phone. All the apps which are present and downladable are really exciting !!
Here I would llike to know few things :
1. I am getting messages of upadate 2.2 available in my phone. I do have a Wi-fi connection to do it (Wi-fi needed info I got from the mobile shop person initially)
My question is If i go for the update taking initiative through the updates message
will there be any problem (like phone may not work and the featues might not work etc etc after updation ?)
2. If anythig happens is it possible to bring back to 2.1
3. Will updation cause any other trouble (may be there will be anything which am not sure or thinking off now ?) ?
Can you guys helps me out by answering the questions . I would like to go for 2.2 as I have heard it is awesome than 2.1 but want to make sure nothing happens to the phone.
Please help.
Am from Bangalore India (if location matters for an update !!! )
This is an official update, so there will be no problems. Go go go
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This is an official update, so there will be no problems. Go go go
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Hi Vassie,
Thanks for the reply - but if i go for the update is there anything else to do other than 'pressing the update button' in the message ? It will install 2.2 itself ?
Remember, you will lose the ability to root, install root apps, custom ROMs etc. However, looking at your post, it seems it is not a priority, so you might as well go for it.
* Updating should not bring any trouble, since, after all, it is an official ROM, and would have been thoroughly tested before release.
* That said it is recommended to both, restore factory settings and format SD card after the update. It is said to slow down the phone if you do not do so.
* Getting back to 2.1 from 2.2 is possible, but, it is a very long process and potentially risky, and, in general, not recommended.
As for the update, I am pretty sure it will install itself. Never attempted it personally, but, I am sure it will be a "Next - Next" type of procedure.
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Remember, you will lose the ability to root, install root apps, custom ROMs etc. However, looking at your post, it seems it is not a priority, so you might as well go for it.
* Updating should not bring any trouble, since, after all, it is an official ROM, and would have been thoroughly tested before release.
* That said it is recommended to both, restore factory settings and format SD card after the update. It is said to slow down the phone if you do not do so.
* Getting back to 2.1 from 2.2 is possible, but, it is a very long process and potentially risky, and, in general, not recommended.
As for the update, I am pretty sure it will install itself. Never attempted it personally, but, I am sure it will be a "Next - Next" type of procedure.
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Hi,
Thanks for the valuable comments....
As you have told about rooting - I would like to know what is it (just for information if you dont mind ! any special advantages ?) Also in froyo is it possible to install apps and games in SD card ?
Rooting - Process to access the root of your device. Basically allows a lot more to be done with your device, like installing root only apps like Titanium Backup, SetCPU etc. Apart from that, it allows overclocking and underclocking your CPU, installation of Custom ROMs (Android 2.3.2 is available unofficially) etc.
For Apps2SD, Froyo supports it natively, but, not all apps and games can be moved using that. Only supported ones. Rooting allows you to install additional Apps2SD Scripts like DTApps2SD which allows install to SD irrespective of compatibility.
3xeno said:
Rooting - Process to access the root of your device. Basically allows a lot more to be done with your device, like installing root only apps like Titanium Backup, SetCPU etc. Apart from that, it allows overclocking and underclocking your CPU, installation of Custom ROMs (Android 2.3.2 is available unofficially) etc.
For Apps2SD, Froyo supports it natively, but, not all apps and games can be moved using that. Only supported ones. Rooting allows you to install additional Apps2SD Scripts like DTApps2SD which allows install to SD irrespective of compatibility.
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Great info. OMG u mean ginger bread in Wildfire (2.3.2 !!!) Please pardon me if am bugging u asking more questions .
For 2.2 am getting an update message - how you install custom roms ?
I guess that will be your own risk !
Yes, it is at your own risk. However, it is pretty safe. There are exit routes available if something does go wrong, also, if you take a backup before installing it, getting back to it is a snap.
Refer this guide, it will tell you all about the process of rooting and installing Custom ROMs.
[GUIDE] Turkeys' Ultimate Guide to Root Wildfire v42.1.2 (Easy & Safe!)
Apart from that, here is CM7 (Gingerbread)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=918072
Lastly, CM7 is still in Pre-Alpha stage, so, it may be a bit buggy. Also, it does not contain HTC's Sense Interface. So, if you prefer that, you can go for Sense Based Custom ROM's like WildPuzzle and SunAabh. They look and feel similar to the official ROM, but, offer many extras. (But they are based on Android 2.2.1)
3xeno, u r a store-house of info! thanx.
can u pls put a link for downloading wildpuzzle_v8.0.11 for htc wildfire?
vishbin said:
3xeno, u r a store-house of info! thanx.
can u pls put a link for downloading wildpuzzle_v8.0.11 for htc wildfire?
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It is not recommended to use WildPuzzle v8 since it is based on the Chinese Froyo, and, has caused many types of problems like location not working, contacts name not displaying not properly and so on. It is recommended to use the latest WildPuzzle 2.2.1 v0.x if you wish to use WildPuzzle, and that is available here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877243
Still, FYI, Wildpuzzle 8.0.11 is available here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761927
Hey guys what's up sorry I'm sure there are other threads about this but I haven't been able to find one to answer me directly....is the updated ics sandwich boot loader necessary I was able to flash flexreapers and lightspeed's ics custom rooms without it? So is it really needed does it make it faster update cmw or just allow recovery boot menu and dual boot I'm at a lost on weather its neccesary or not thanks once again
It will be soon, alot of the developers, including Civato, have said they are going to stop development for the HC bootloader. It does significantly improve performance and eliminates most of the glitches on ICS.
And it will make life easier in the future - upgrading the bootloader, etc. straight from CWM among others.
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And it will make life easier in the future - upgrading the bootloader, etc. straight from CWM among others.
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It will be soon, alot of the developers, including Civato, have said they are going to stop development for the HC bootloader. It does significantly improve performance and eliminates most of the glitches on ICS.
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Alright sweet +thanks ;-) I'll update it later then
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Alright sweet +thanks ;-) I'll update it later then
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Just stick with whatever custom recovery that is provided with the package you
use...not all features in all recoveries are yet supported.
some are meant only for certain BL's for instance HC3.2 and TWRP
from v4 BL on you are able to flash a zip thru recovery and more fastboot commands are available.
You need to read the change logs for each version as things are being added with each new release.
One thing i am certain of and that is if you are having ANY weird issues, sod, wifi OFF, nvflash issues then what seems to settle everything down is a rollback to HC - I think alot of us myself included, never flashed the right thing at the right time when first upgrading to ICS (and at some future point ending up with a "freakenstein" not one thing or the other and not working all that well either) when you start running a "compatible system" i.e kernel, bootloader, recovery, rom all working as they should, then things look and work a whole heccuvalot better!!!
I will not support HC bootloader for the Overclocking kernel for ICS.
To much problems. So expect no OC support for my rom if you stay on HC bootloader.
Good evening all,
Basically I'm looking to root my girlfriends fathers U8800, it's currently running android 2.2. He's complained that its got major battery drain so I figure I can find a ROM here that can help that.
I've read there are 3 different types of models for this handset. How do I know which one we've got? If that's relevant?
I've found this thread that seems dead easy to follow, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420728 , am I ok to proceed?
When I've rooted it, do I just flash a rom via CWM like I would with my galaxy s? And will I be caught out with bootloader issues or little things like that?
Thanks in advance.
If the device is the U8800 regular model(not pro or plus) you can follow the guides of the link.
And yes, you can flash a rom from cwm recovery.
Only one suggestion. If you flash the latest stock gingerbread rom(I think is the 522), search for a thread called "get your pink screen back" on developing section. The after 518 versions have the bootloader locked, and on the above thread you will find how to flash the unlocked bootloader from 518 stock rom.
Thanks for that, I'll get on it tomorrow with an operational head. I'll do the pre root checks and make sure I have everything I need in place before I get going.
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If you flash the latest stock gingerbread rom(I think is the 522)
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It's 528
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The after 518 versions have the bootloader locked, and on the above thread you will find how to flash the unlocked bootloader from 518 stock rom.
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*locked pink screen.
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If the device is not yours I suggest you to do nothing. There's no better Rom, in terms of bug free than the original one.
Custom roms always have this or that and will require attention, which I'm sure your fatherin law can live better without these issues and concerns.
This devices have an high consumption and he has to get used to it.
Now if the device was yours meaning you would be using it daily, than i would advise you to install aurora. I don't like it but have to admit that is very good and stable.
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He's complained that its got major battery drain so I figure I can find a ROM here that can help that.
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Did you look to see what is causing the battery drain? I have a friend with a stock GT540 that had serious battery drain. Turns out it was the GoSMS program. Deleted the app and now his phone lasts 5 days between charges. Switching a rom won't help if the problem is an app.
1) Get cpu spy and see if it is going to deep sleep
2) If not sleeping, turn off running applications one by one and test via cpu spy to find out which one is causing it not to sleep.
3) Either remove the offending app or use Autorun Manager to modify the receivers (if rooted)
You can fix his problem without changing his rom. If he wants root, superoneclick can root 2.2, I just used it the other day. Also make sure he is on the latest 2.2: b138sp04 or b163. I prefer b163, even though it is the China rom, because I like the Huawei launcher better that stock.
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If the device is not yours I suggest you to do nothing. There's no better Rom, in terms of bug free than the original one.
Custom roms always have this or that and will require attention, which I'm sure your fatherin law can live better without these issues and concerns.
This devices have an high consumption and he has to get used to it.
Now if the device was yours meaning you would be using it daily, than i would advise you to install aurora. I don't like it but have to admit that is very good and stable.
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That's not true... official 2.2 is the slowest thing in existence. If he just needs stability then Ezets CM7 is the answer. There are no bugs with it (except wifi tethering) and it's much much faster than stock...
Also he can undervoltage it to preserve battery life more than stock ROM.
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You want the best 2.2 you try Void Eridanus. Everything works.
Want the speed, OEX rom it's a Ferrari. Everything works less the mms with data off.
You can also keep the stock Rom, root it and just apply a ffranco kernel. This way you gain the speed.
3 good solutions here.
I'm don't revert to stock Rom for 2 reasons, cam quality and battery life, otherwise i would use stock Rom without a shadow of a doubt.
In terms of stability and all working it's stock 2.2 Rom and this is unquestionable!!!
I have been trying ALL roms and ALL respective versions since July 2011 therefore I do speak by personal extended experience
I repeat once again, in the conditions you mention leave the phone as it is. If you want to do something just root it and that's it.
as a matter of facts i had my phone with so many rooms that i can even say how many but if u want stability i recomend oxygen... if u want stability and good looks use miui 32...
last .32 miui that i used was from miui portugal in english and nothing to say about that...
battery for 2 days and all smoth...
but my phone is weird... he can take almost every rom and be usable...
The issue with miui pt versions it's the cam quality that is horrible. It's just this detail that it's not very good. The rest it's perfect.
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Hey everyone, back for an update and some other steps. basically, he got frustrated with how the battery so he went out today and bought the newer huawei. Reading eveyones comments here i think its due to the ammount of apps and being on froyo hasn't helped any thing, but anyways its now my new toy to play with. So far, followed the link i posted in the first thread, rooted and installed the latest CWM (v5). I'm now a little confused when it comes to the get the pink screen back, should i follow this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1457490 now before flashing a new rom or afterwards?
Again thanks for all the help, I'm almost done bothering you all for now
Edit: Reading on some ROM's and the comments above, i should install B518 stock ROM then flash the bootloader fix from the thread posted above then i can install other ROM's? If so where can i get the stock B518 ROM and how do i know which version I'm using? Sorry and thanks again.
First, which rom you have now?
You can find the version from settings -> about phone.
If you have a newer than 518 version you need to change the bootloader with the one from 518. If you have 518 you don't.
Also check which version of kernel you have(is on about phone also)
If you have a 2.6.32 version(which mean that you have froyo rom), you can flash only roms with this kernel version. If you have a 2.6.35 version, you can flash roms with 2.6.35 kernel or 3.0.8(as aurora ICS).
Basically its a stock froyo rom, im looking to get to gingerbread by the end of tonight but currently im stuck on the huawei splash screen after i did a data reset in CWM. Can still get to CWM though.
What rom you want to flash now?
A custom gingerbread based of froyo's kernel 2.6.32 like CM7.2, oxygen or miui, or the official gingerbread?
Im not particularly bothered, something that won't brick the phone and is stable. I'm more worried as to why it wont boot now after a data reset.. any suggestions for that?
You can use adb and logcat function to see where the problem is. Usually when some errors prevent device to complete the boot proccess, this piece of code loops. You need to have some knowledge of programming though, but maybe is something easy.
and now i have blue screen.. what can i do? or have i bricked it?
Where you have blue screen and what you did?
Usually blue screen instead of recovery mode, means that the recovery.img is deleted from .cust_backup/Image folder
basically, i formatted something, reboot and soon as the huawei logo appear a blue scrren rolls down. when i plug the phone into the pc it detects a folder but its empty, the phone is detected as qualcomm now..
Yes, seems that you formated the partition which has the Image folder with all system images. So, now you need to flash an official rom. You can either flash a froyo or a gingerbread rom. You can avoid this only if you previous had take a backup of this folder. In this case just put all files in (empty now) image folder.
First of all, I like to share I am not a stranger with rooting, flashing, granting bootloader access (not an tablets, but on HTC an SE WM phones in the past (assuming the S-off/S-on switching is somewhat comparable)). Despite not being a stranger, I am no whizzkid either, it's just that I am able to read instructions well, re-read them and carefully follow the instructions step by step. During the process I have reasonable understanding of what I am doing, but I am not someone that could have 'invented' such workflows and adjustments myself.
So, what is new for me? Installing a custom recovery. I haven't done that before. No problem, because I know there are enough techs on XDA that have the great quality to share their knowledge, something I appreciate very much and use regularly.
My story:
Asus created a situation in which you have to register your device and actively decline your warranty, whenever you want to unlock the bootloader. This is why I didn't do that yet. Now, having my TF300 for almost 6 months, reasonably comfortable with the feeling there will be no issues to need the warranty, I am willing to unlock my bootloader and void my warranty. However, shortly after the JB OTA I read a lot of messages that this was not possible with a TF300 on JB. Later I read it might be possible, but that changing the bootloader was not possible. Then I read this was possible too, but you could only install roms based on official Asus JB OTA.
Well... I guess things have evolved since the initial JB OTA, but I am not sure that I understood things well enough to just give it a try (yet). So I am looking for confirmation and a bit more in depth info. First I will summarize my TF300's history in detail and things I found so far regarding custom recovery. In this way you know what the situation is and I also hope this post becomes 'informative' for other TF300 owners too, besides being a question topic for me only.
Ok, what do I have:
- An original TF300T (no dock), bought in June 2012 with stock ICS
- Granted myself root access via 1-Click Transformer Root
- All original Asus OTA's applied, including the upgrade to JB (and succeeding OTA's)
- Still have root (kept root during all OTA's, including upgrade to JB with help from Voodoo OTA rootkeeper)
- Recently wiped/factory reset my device (still have root)
What I used in the past, but currently not running on the tablet:
- Used different Custom build.props on ICS and JB, but now have stock build.prop again
- Used SwitchMe profile manager (still want it, but waiting on decision to possibly unlock/install custom recovery first)
- Used browser2ram (don't want to need it anymore, but ability to boost performance with a custom rom will be a requirement)
What custom recovery options did I see? There are 3 of them and all seem to be safe with the TF300 JB OTA:
- TWRP 2.3.1.0
- CWM 6.0.1.3 / 5.5.0.4 (don't know why it has 2 version numbers... ICS and JB version?)
- Clockworkmod 6.0.1.4 Touch (same as CWM 6.0.1.3 but with touch functionality?)
Ok, what do I want confirmed to be sure enough to give it a shot on my TF300 without bricking?
- Is it possible to use official Asus unlock tool on a stock OTA JB TF300? If possible:
- Are above mentioned custom recovery options indeed safe to run on a (unlocked) stock OTA JB TF300? If safe:
- What is (technical) the best custom recovery option? Or are the mentioned options mostly identical and is it a matter of personal preference?
- Can I run any roms after installing a custom recovery or am I restricted to roms based on official Asus JB?
- What will happen with root access after (if possible) installing a custom recovery? And after installing a custom rom?
These are my major 'need to knows' before I dare....
Besides this information, I am curious if someone can confirm my representation of (or explain) the different parts in Android/Asus installation and how it is affected by a custom recovery. During reading along the forums, I have created this visualization of the different parts of the system:
1. Bootloader or kernel (first thing on system, somewhat comparable with a PC BIOS? Are the terms bootloader and kernel interchangeable?)
2. Asus recovery/boot options or custom recovery (custom recovery replace the standard Asus recovery/boot options, I assume)
3. Android (stock JB/ICS or custom rom)
Is this a correct representation?
Well, that was all... Hopefully my post didn't become a TLDR and some of you are willing to help me out. I am very thankful in advance!
1. Bootloader is something else then a kernel. You just have to have the right kernel for the 2 different bootloader
2. Boot options are in the bootloader. Stock Recovery has no options.
3. dont understand your question
1st if you are still on ICS I would recommend to use NVflash and create the needed NVflash files. After that your tablet is nearly unbrickable and you are able to NVflash back to the ICS bootloader (my opinion not so importent anymore, caus even CM is now compatible with the JB Bootloader)
2nd If you are still on ICS I would use the unlock app on ICS not on JB and would then flash the JB update.
The Custom Recovery is best right now would be TWRP 2.2. Its the only one with no known issues.
Hope that helps a little and hope that my explanations are correct, because I am just a flasher like you
Last but not least. The best ROMs out there in my opinion are the Clean Rom 2.5 for the TF700 with clemsyns Kernel and BlueAndroid V.1.0.
Thank you for your reply, it helps me a bit. Unfortunately it doesn't answer my major questions, but I don't blame you (not at all). Every bit of help is welcome.
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1. Bootloader is something else then a kernel. You just have to have the right kernel for the 2 different bootloader
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Ok... clear... but then.. what is a kernel...? (*feeling noob*)
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2. Boot options are in the bootloader. Stock Recovery has no options.
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Ok, so what happens if I install a custom recovery? Does it replace the bootloader with a different one that includes recovery options? Or does it add recovery options to the existing bootloader?
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The numbers (1, 2 and 3) were the 'layers' I imagined on how Android is build up from boot to OS, where 3 being the final layer (Android OS presented to the user on screen).
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1st if you are still on ICS I would recommend to use NVflash and create the needed NVflash files. After that your tablet is nearly unbrickable and you are able to NVflash back to the ICS bootloader (my opinion not so importent anymore, caus even CM is now compatible with the JB Bootloader)
2nd If you are still on ICS I would use the unlock app on ICS not on JB and would then flash the JB update.
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That's the point why I started this topic, I am on (stock OTA) JB already. If I was still on ICS, I would have had the guts to unlock and install custom recovery. I am hesitating because I read about issues with JB and unlocking/installing custom recovery.
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The Custom Recovery is best right now would be TWRP 2.2. Its the only one with no known issues.
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Thanks for the tip, I will keep this in mind.
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Hope that helps a little and hope that my explanations are correct, because I am just a flasher like you
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*shakes hands* Yes, it helped a bit.
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Last but not least. The best ROMs out there in my opinion are the Clean Rom 2.5 for the TF700 with clemsyns Kernel and BlueAndroid V.1.0.
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Thank you, I will consider this when I am ready to search for custom roms.
@all: Is there someone out there that can (and is willing to) answer my 'major' questions? I will re-post them below:
Ok, what do I want confirmed to be sure enough to give it a shot on my TF300 without bricking?
- Is it possible to use official Asus unlock tool on a stock OTA JB TF300? If possible:
- Are above mentioned custom recovery options indeed safe to run on a (unlocked) stock OTA JB TF300? If safe:
- What is (technical) the best custom recovery option? Or are the mentioned options mostly identical and is it a matter of personal preference?
- Can I run any roms after installing a custom recovery or am I restricted to roms based on official Asus JB?
- What will happen with root access after (if possible) installing a custom recovery? And after installing a custom rom?
Ok, what do I want confirmed to be sure enough to give it a shot on my TF300 without bricking?
- Is it possible to use official Asus unlock tool on a stock OTA JB TF300? If possible:
- Are above mentioned custom recovery options indeed safe to run on a (unlocked) stock OTA JB TF300? If safe:
- What is (technical) the best custom recovery option? Or are the mentioned options mostly identical and is it a matter of personal preference?
- Can I run any roms after installing a custom recovery or am I restricted to roms based on official Asus JB?
- What will happen with root access after (if possible) installing a custom recovery? And after installing a custom rom?
Yes the unlock tool works on JB as well as ICS. I used it while on JB.
Recovery choose one for JB since you have said you were on JB. In fact that is how you will determine which roms you can use as well (JB).
There have been many complaints posted about problems with CWM on this device.
Safe is something I can't answer - twrp itself appears to be safe but that is relative.
One mistake can usually be overcome (or one weird issue); add a mistake to that and you are out at two strikes with this unit most of the time. That is the way I see it after reading hundreds of posts.
You must have recovery, adb, or fastboot working to recover from a problem with this unit.
Before you make any changes make sure adb and fastboot work.
When you flash a rom make sure early in the game you turn on usb debugging in developer options. Learn to get into and use the bootloader menu for adb, fastboot, and recovery access. This would be with both stock recovery and twrp.
Custom roms are usually by default rooted. With a custom recovery you can flash root at will.
It is long but I feel I touched on each of your questions, if not ask.
If your phone is a ferrari, the kernel is the "driver" ... the kernel you use can be tweaked to allow you to overclock your process. By default, overclocking is not possible (usually) on stock kernels because phone makers don't want you effing up your phone.
Other kernels can let you run "low voltage" or "ultra low voltage" settings for the processor. This allows you to send less power to the processor but still get the same amount of oomph out. The result is greater battery life, and no cost to performance. Obviously this can be dangerous to some hardware... so be careful and know what you're doing. It can be as bad as damaging hardware, or as minor as getting your phone stuck in a boot loop. DO A BACKUP with Rom Manager before installing a kernel. Always do a backup before you do anything to your phone.
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If your phone is a ferrari, the kernel is the "driver" ... the kernel you use can be tweaked to allow you to overclock your process. By default, overclocking is not possible (usually) on stock kernels because phone makers don't want you effing up your phone.
Other kernels can let you run "low voltage" or "ultra low voltage" settings for the processor. This allows you to send less power to the processor but still get the same amount of oomph out. The result is greater battery life, and no cost to performance. Obviously this can be dangerous to some hardware... so be careful and know what you're doing. It can be as bad as damaging hardware, or as minor as getting your phone stuck in a boot loop. DO A BACKUP with Rom Manager before installing a kernel. Always do a backup before you do anything to your phone.
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tobdaryl said:
Ok, what do I want confirmed to be sure enough to give it a shot on my TF300 without bricking?
- Is it possible to use official Asus unlock tool on a stock OTA JB TF300? If possible:
- Are above mentioned custom recovery options indeed safe to run on a (unlocked) stock OTA JB TF300? If safe:
- What is (technical) the best custom recovery option? Or are the mentioned options mostly identical and is it a matter of personal preference?
- Can I run any roms after installing a custom recovery or am I restricted to roms based on official Asus JB?
- What will happen with root access after (if possible) installing a custom recovery? And after installing a custom rom?
Yes the unlock tool works on JB as well as ICS. I used it while on JB.
Recovery choose one for JB since you have said you were on JB. In fact that is how you will determine which roms you can use as well (JB).
There have been many complaints posted about problems with CWM on this device.
Safe is something I can't answer - twrp itself appears to be safe but that is relative.
One mistake can usually be overcome (or one weird issue); add a mistake to that and you are out at two strikes with this unit most of the time. That is the way I see it after reading hundreds of posts.
You must have recovery, adb, or fastboot working to recover from a problem with this unit.
Before you make any changes make sure adb and fastboot work.
When you flash a rom make sure early in the game you turn on usb debugging in developer options. Learn to get into and use the bootloader menu for adb, fastboot, and recovery access. This would be with both stock recovery and twrp.
Custom roms are usually by default rooted. With a custom recovery you can flash root at will.
It is long but I feel I touched on each of your questions, if not ask.
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Thank you for this clear answer. Allow me to summarize your answer (actually it is a confirmation request to see if I fully understand your answer):
- Asus unlock tool is working fine on JB, no problems
- Since my TF300 is on JB and to stay on the safe side (no guaranties) your advice is to use TWRP 2.3.1.0 for JB (to use the JB version is obvious for me, thanks for confirming)
- Once these steps are done (unlock and custom recovery) , I can flash roms at will, but have to keep in mind to use JB-based roms
Did I summarize (and thus understand) your answer correct?
Thanks for pointing out to have adb and fastboot working before making changes and to learn to get into and use bootloader menu for adb, fastboot and recovery access (with both stock recovery and twrp). I am very much aware of this, but it is always wise to make that clear to anyone whom wants to play with this stuff.
You helped me very much! To be complete sure, I'll wait for confirmation, but then I have more than enough confidence to give it a go (Yes, I will beware it won't exaggerate into over-confidence and I become sloppy . I'll stay punctual and cautious during the process.).
moisaal said:
If your phone is a ferrari, the kernel is the "driver" ... the kernel you use can be tweaked to allow you to overclock your process. By default, overclocking is not possible (usually) on stock kernels because phone makers don't want you effing up your phone.
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Can I see the kernel somewhat equal to the bios on a pc, or is that a misinterpretation?
If I understood it correct, then it is not fully comparable to a pc bios, as on Android the kernel also determines which version of Android is able to run on your device (ICS needs another kernel than JB), right?
ralph075 said:
Can I see the kernel somewhat equal to the bios on a pc, or is that a misinterpretation?
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BIOS (basic input-output system, or something along those lines) is loaded before the kernel! They are different. The kernel acts as a mediator between hardware and software.
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vap_66 said:
BIOS (basic input-output system, or something along those lines) is loaded before the kernel! They are different. The kernel acts as a mediator between hardware and software.
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Thanks for clarifying. I found this article and read it to learn more... (I had a few questions again, but realized that there probably would be something to read in here that could answer those questions too... )
Did I summarize (and thus understand) your answer correct?
Yes that is correct.
tobdaryl said:
Did I summarize (and thus understand) your answer correct?
Yes that is correct.
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Thanks again, now the challenge is to find some spare time this weekend
ralph075 said:
Thanks again, now the challenge is to find some spare time this weekend
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Good Luck!
Go slow and enjoy your new tab.
tobdaryl said:
Good Luck!
Go slow and enjoy your new tab.
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Thank you. Well, slow it will go, as last weekend didn't have any spare time...
Hopefully I will experience my new tab soon...
ralph075 said:
Thank you. Well, slow it will go, as last weekend didn't have any spare time...
Hopefully I will experience my new tab soon...
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You're very welcome.
Yes, it seems time to play is sporadic and limited.
Life would probably be very boring if we always had time.
Hello all,
I just ordered a new Note 10.1 from Costco.com (32 gig) and from reading reviews and such I was thrown into the world of rooting. For my job, we were given iPhones so I've really only had an iPhone and am used to the iOS. Not a fan. Have always wanted to try Android but have never been thrown into it.
Are there any good guides out there to help me better understand rooting, etc.? I understand that you have to unlock it, then flash a custom ROM. What happens when the newer version of that ROM comes out? Do you lose all of your Data? Can any mod be installed on any ROM? I just don't have a good understanding of how or what to do. Granted, I don't even have the tablet yet, however, I don't want to be completely lost when I get it. I do like the idea of rooting, given that you can install powerful apps that are only offered to rooted tablets.
This is my first post here and am hoping for some helpful responses of maybe some threads that I should read to help me understand things better.
Also, where do you find custom ROMS? Is there a certain section you have to go? Or are all the custom ROMS under the ANDROID DEVELOPMENT forum?
Thanks for the help.
Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
wd4oay said:
Rooting gives you access to the base files of your device. Your device does not need to be "unlocked." That term refers to modifying the device to work with other carriers (i.e. Sprint, ATT, etc) other than the one it was built to work with. Basically, in order to root, you must first install a custom "recovery." CWM (Clockwork Mod Recovery) is probably the best one for our Notes. The recovery files can be downloaded in the development forums. Along with the program (Odin) that you use to get the recovery installed onto your Note. Once you have CWM installed you can then use a couple of different methods to root or install a custom rom that is already rooted (again look for these roms in the development areas of this forum). Make sure that you read and re-read the instructions that each developer lists on their forum until you feel comfortable and then follow the instructions to the letter! Not doing so can result in your Note really getting messed up. I have not rooted my note yet, however I have rooted and installed custom ROMs to several android phones that I have or have had and it can be really worth it to do so. Personally I am waiting for awhile with my Note for some easier and more reliable methods and ROMs to become available. Right now, I have a Samsung Infuse phone with CM10 installed and a Samsung Captivate with Slim Rom-Jellybean on it. I believe that early versions of both of these ROMs are already available for the Note 10.1. Of the two ROMs, I would probably go with CM10 - (Cyanogen Mod) as it seems to be more stable on my phones. Also, when you install a custom ROM on the Note 10.1, there is a binary counter that advances, that lets anyone who would have to work on it (like for warranty service), know that a custom ROM was installed and that would violate your warranty. There is already a modification available (again, in the development section), that resets this counter, so make sure that you research that too! Good Luck!!!
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What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
midas69 said:
A lot is going to depend on which version of software you get initially on your tablet. Do not, I repeat, DO NOT let your tablet update the software when you first get it. The reason I say this is, if you have the older version of the software there is a very simple way to root your device. It's a simple install of one program and pushing a button. Very very easy.
If you get lucky and you get the older software and then root using the program I'm talking about, the next step is to spend $5 and buy Mobile Odin Pro. You can then download from here the latest software for your device and flash it using Mobile Odin with the ever root option. This will keep root on your new software. This will put you on the latest stock software and keep you rooted.
Custom ROMs can be nice. But I'd get my feet wet with the stock ROM before you start to jump into the Customs. First, stock on the Note 10.1 is pretty damn good. Second, you need to have some familiarity with what you want to be able to choose the right custom ROM to suit your needs. Finally, you'll give yourself some time to learn about your device so that you don't make a fatal mistake flashing, though most can be flashed using Mobile Odin.
Alas, if you get your Note and it turns out to have the latest ROM already, you can pretty much ignore everything I wrote.
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That's good to know. Thank you.
jaydubbbbs said:
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
I read in sammobile that samsung will launch Note 8.0, it is true?
What do you think?
rooting
deeselcyde said:
That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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There's more reasons to root other than just flashing custom ROMs. As a matter of fact, you really don't even have to root to install a custom ROM, you just need a custom recovery installed.
Personally I'm fine with the stock ROM on this tablet even though I run custom ROMs on my phones. I did have a custom ROM installed for a few weeks that was little more than the stock ROM with a few tweaks. It didn't lose any functionality with regards to multi-screen or pen. But some of the other more customized ROMs do lose functionality.
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I have rooted several phones but not this tablet. Why? because for me the stock rom is good enough that I personally dont see an advantage to rooting it. Some like to root and install roms for the fun of it but I need the tablet to work and dont have time to futs around with getting to know a new rom.
I also have the impression,correct me if I'm wrong, that with custom roms you loose some of the multiscreen functionality and some of the pen functionality? If true that alone would keep me on stock.
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The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
deeselcyde said:
That's good to know. Thank you.
Thank you. I'll check that out. Now, the process that you linked me to, will that give me the latest version ROM (4.2.1?). Another thing, once I root it, will I be able to have the Tablet automatically update and download 4.3, 4.4, etc. and so on? or will I have to manually download and install the new one every time it comes out?
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no, it leaves the firmware as is and it simply gives you root access, i.e. administrative control over just about all processes that the tablet is capable of. It also allows you to flash custom ROMS. that method, along with the exynos exploit method ( not possible on 4.1.2), leave you as close to stock as possible . and leaves the official recovery. Someone will undoubtedly correct me if I am wrong, but so long as you don't flash a custom ROM, I believe you can still update through OTA. I know you can through KIES. If you do go with a custom ROM, I'm pretty sure you lose all the touch wiz goodies, like multi screen as another noted above. and likely would have to use ODIN or mobile ODIN to update.
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What are some of the main benefits to rooting then? I would think that if you have rooted a lot of phones you would for sure want your tablet rooted..?? Can you still perform mods to your tablet if it's NOT rooted? I saw someone with a cube on their homescreen with all their apps on it. It was 3D and pretty sweet looking. Will I be able to do stuff like that if I keep it stock.
Another thing, I read that you can't put apps on the expandable storage unless you root it...That is something I would like to do because I plan on putting games on it and such. Seems crappy you can't install some of the bigger apps on your 64 gig sd.
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Custom apps such as multi window manager. Custom roms if you wish. Overclock cpu with tegrak on stock rooted, it does sometimes come in handy to be safely overclocked. personally this tablet is so good off the shelf you dont NEED a custom rom but that overclock is good. Ability to access and change root files such as dolphin preference in order to make it work with flash player. More reliable backups of apps and data with titanium backup. There are a plethera of reasons for rooting a tablet. But do be cautious.
Don't forget you need root for AdAway. You also need root if you want to play around (very dangerous) with the build.prop file to try to install programs that the Play Store says aren't compatible.
deeselcyde said:
The only thing I care about is having the ability to install Google Apps that can only be installed on rooted ROMS. I've read that there are a lot of great apps for rooted ONLY tablets. Also, some of those 3D cube thingy's that have all the app icons on it are kind of cool. I don't know if you can install those on a stock ROM..??
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The 3d cube things I think your talking about are scroll effects, like cube, sphere or card stack. You dont need to be rooted for these, you can just download a launcher (nova, apex, adw) from the play store and change the effects in there.
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jaydubbbbs said:
just to give you one more thing to think about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1957002
stock is nice btw
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One more question about that link. So once I follow the instructions provided in the link to root my Note 10.1, will I still have the custom ROM? And, will I be able to auto update from Samsung or whoever whenever a new version of the Android ROM comes out? I don't necessarily care about having someones custom ROM, I just want the benefits of using the GAPPS that I wouldn't be able to use if I wasn't rooted.
Thanks.