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Since i see there is another update in the developement section (EPE54B) when do you suppose ERE36B is gonna be out?
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Since i see there is another update in the developement section (EPE54B) when do you suppose ERE36B is gonna be out?
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Maybe never. Google will release an update once they have one with all the fixes and updates they want to include. These leaked updates could just be internal "updates" for testing a handful of the changes Google wants to make, etc.
Great question. as far as i can remember every update has left at least some issues that existed before it. So I doubt Google is fixing a whole lot with the next update. Meaning it will fix stuff but I can't imagine what they might be waiting for.its been a long time since I've heard or read an official statement by Google regarding fixes for Android. I wish they'd let us know at least a very rough idea of what to expect regarding fixes and what part of what year to expect it. Surely they can at least estimate which 3 month period might be blessed with some software fixes...there's so much to look forward to its like Christmas if nobody knew when Christmas was or if it was going to even happen
I completely agree maverick. I've been anticipating ere36b for a while as i myself have a problem still with my 3g staying on 3g. In phoenix even, which surprises me as i thought it was a strong 3g area for t-mobile.
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Great question. as far as i can remember every update has left at least some issues that existed before it. So I doubt Google is fixing a whole lot with the next update. Meaning it will fix stuff but I can't imagine what they might be waiting for.its been a long time since I've heard or read an official statement by Google regarding fixes for Android. I wish they'd let us know at least a very rough idea of what to expect regarding fixes and what part of what year to expect it. Surely they can at least estimate which 3 month period might be blessed with some software fixes...there's so much to look forward to its like Christmas if nobody knew when Christmas was or if it was going to even happen
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i think we should all be confident that the N1 is going to get its updates. i had the Hero before and THAT was a pain. you had to wait for Google to make the update, HTC to add/remove changes in their update and then finally Sprint had all the power of when we actually received it. having an updated phone is one of the main reasons i have the N1. there will be no greener grass for some time for N1 owners.
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Maybe never.
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Dude!!! You're being a killjoy there - don't spazz the gazm bro.
And on top of this, would any updates remove apps, data, messages, photos, browser info etc we already have on the phone...?
No, same as ERE27 didn't.
run a custom rom and your "waiting for updates" will drastically be reduced....Stay stock and "wait for the man".....Your choice
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run a custom rom and your "waiting for updates" will drastically be reduced....Stay stock and "wait for the man".....Your choice
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Or you can root it and lose you warranty...(What if something really decides to happen?) Why not wait until you've had the phone for awhile? Lol
First thing i lose when i get a new toy, is the warranty
I expect Google to release an update within the next month. If they don't expect alot of news site to be on there asses bout the two main problems most users are having..
ram130 said:
I expect Google to release an update within the next month. If they don't expect alot of news site to be on there asses bout the two main problems most users are having..
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the next update will probably come when flash is available so who knows when that will be
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I expect Google to release an update within the next month. If they don't expect alot of news site to be on there asses bout the two main problems most users are having..
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Touchscreen and 3G?
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both are in pretty decent shape if you load the last leaked update.
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both are in pretty decent shape if you load the last leaked update.
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I still think the touchscreen issue that some describe is a hardware defect, and that the 3G issue is just a problem with weak 3G saturation on T-mobile. I don't have either problem, and I assume that's the norm.
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I still think the touchscreen issue that some describe is a hardware defect, and that the 3G issue is just a problem with weak 3G saturation on T-mobile.
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It's not a hardware defect, it's just the way the screen is... Lousy mistake on HTC/Google part to not have what should be considered "Standard" nowdays on what was deemed a "Superphone" or flagship phone.. And what I mean by standard is "true multitouch" not just "oh, it can do pinch to zoom, yes..."
Hogwash
It is multitouch by design. Just 2 fingers. The current iteration can not accurately discern more than 2 fingers.
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I still think the touchscreen issue that some describe is a hardware defect, and that the 3G issue is just a problem with weak 3G saturation on T-mobile. I don't have either problem, and I assume that's the norm.
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The touchscreen issue isn't a hardware defect, its a hardware limitation... supports just 2 touches at a time.... thats more than enough ....cant use more than two fingers at a time (unless u consider ur phone a psp )........ nexus one offers a very good hardware at 530 $$... so i'm satisfied ....
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It's not a hardware defect, it's just the way the screen is... Lousy mistake on HTC/Google part to not have what should be considered "Standard" nowdays on what was deemed a "Superphone" or flagship phone.. And what I mean by standard is "true multitouch" not just "oh, it can do pinch to zoom, yes..."
Hogwash
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The touchscreen issue isn't a hardware defect, its a hardware limitation... supports just 2 touches at a time.... thats more than enough ....cant use more than two fingers at a time (unless u consider ur phone a psp )........ nexus one offers a very good hardware at 530 $$... so i'm satisfied ....
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I was referring to the "touchscreen calibration" problems or the touchscreen freaking out, that people have mentioned in some instances. I've never had THOSE issues.
As for the MT "issue"... I see it as a limitation. If you don't like it, then return the phone and wait for the Nexus 2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=751518&page=10
Good news, hopefully its legit and its software.....
Here's a video of proof. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ65sS8nbRE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Update on compass: jhego says it works, also says compass view works in google maps... he also used gps navigation for 15 mind straight without losing the route .... some good looking stuff...
Originally Posted by smashpunks Awesome. Thanks again. This will put my mind at ease and I can sleep well.
Originally Posted by smashpunks Awesome thanks for this update.. one last thing if ya could... check google maps street view in compass mode... no hurry just wondering.. may be a seperate fix but still interesting to know.. Thanks again for your testing...
Man, that's sick! I haven't used that mode before. I can tell you that it works__________________(2007-2008) CID/SIM Unlocked ATT Tilt(2008-2010) Unlocked Blackberry Bold 5.0.0.681(2010- Current) Rooted Samsung Captivate
UPDATE 2: some people are reporting no fix or worse... hmmmm.. what's going on. Half say its getting great locks and others not... maybe its a location thing?
Farkkkkk
If the GPS is fixed in this rom, can we have some crow for the people saying it's not fixable via firmware?
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If the GPS is fixed in this rom, can we have some crow for the people saying it's not fixable via firmware?
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Agreed. People getting 8 satellites locked..... awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ65sS8nbRE
6/6 INSTANTLY! 7/7 shortly after... yep, I'd say it's fixed
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ65sS8nbRE
6/6 INSTANTLY! 7/7 shortly after... yep, I'd say it's fixed
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Yes. This makes me very very happy.. now IMO its a perfect device... (hope not speaking to soon but I'd say its fixed also)...
Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?
but this isnt for the vibrant right? or can it be ported over since they are so close to each other?
Jon C said:
Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?
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I'm having the dude test the compass... also even if this exact thing don't work on vibrant.. its proof that its software and fixable
.. that's all I really wanna know...
Update on compass soon....
It's the firmware for the Captivate, which flashes for different radios and so forth. It could be ported, but it would be a lot of unnecessary work.
To be honest, I find the idea of flashing different ROMs to be stressful. I stopped using my jailbroken iPhone because I grew tired of keeping up with flashing and jumping through hoops. I just want Samsung to fix the phone with an OTA, so I can go back to my normal life.
So, we have no word on a fix for the Vibrant. But one can assume that a fix on AT&T will find itself on the T-Mobile device.
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Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?
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Your the dude wanting to bail on the vibrant right? Its cool I understand . Hopefully this changes your mind...
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Neat.
Has anyone been able to test out the compass? Whoever is making these videos, could someone ask them to demo Google Sky Map / Street View?
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It's the firmware for the Captivate, which flashes for different radios and so forth. It could be ported, but it would be a lot of unnecessary work.
To be honest, I find the idea of flashing different ROMs to be stressful. I stopped using my jailbroken iPhone because I grew tired of keeping up with flashing and jumping through hoops. I just want Samsung to fix the phone with an OTA, so I can go back to my normal life.
So, we have no word on a fix for the Vibrant. But one can assume that a fix on AT&T will find itself on the T-Mobile device.
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The fix is leaked from samsung .. we will get one too. Point again is its fixable, we never knew this before till now.
Although its still not been said if its 100% working.. could be a start though
No, it's a great piece of encouragement. Still, unless something is said soon, I will probably return my phone until the official fix is out. I can always purchase it again at a later date. It's encouraging to see a leak from Samsung fix the problem, but I'm sure you can understand: $500+ is a lot to spend on a phone.
Keep delivering the good news. Hopefully the Compass has been fixed as well. I really love TouchWiz, and was dreading the possible jump to HTC Sense.
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No, it's a great piece of encouragement. Still, unless something is said soon, I will probably return my phone until the official fix is out. I can always purchase it again at a later date. It's encouraging to see a leak from Samsung fix the problem, but I'm sure you can understand: $500+ is a lot to spend on a phone.
Keep delivering the good news. Hopefully the Compass has been fixed as well. I really love TouchWiz, and was dreading the possible jump to HTC Sense.
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I can understand your view.
For me it is also encouraging that samsung really is trying .
This is encouraging news. Hopefully it's true and I can quit obsessing with it
This gives me a damn hard-on.
My phone locked & rebooted* itself twice today, while trying to use GPS. And I was in Mountain View, even - buncha bull****.
-bZj
*when it does this routine, it resets the volume on the system (thus the startup sound) to maximu8m - makes me even angrier!
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don't recall anyone saying it couldn't be fixed - can you point us at one?
the consensus opinion has been no one knew whether it was firmware or software
and btw, while this is good news, we're not totally certain this is a permanent "fix"
if it's still working in 2 or 3 weeks for the folks that installed it, then it might be considered a fix
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don't recall anyone saying it couldn't be fixed - can you point us at one?
the consensus opinion has been no one knew whether it was firmware or software
and btw, while this is good news, we're not totally certain this is a permanent "fix"
if it's still working in 2 or 3 weeks for the folks that installed it, then it might be considered a fix
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Regardless its getting 8 satellite locks for a lot of people .. that's never happened before ... this is a leak so not even official. So official may even be better ....
I was very concerned about the compass as I wasn't convinced that could be fixed via firmware basd on what I saw in the GPS service screens (seemed laggy even straight from the device). Eugene373 posted a fix to GPS for rooted phones here ://to.ly/5TFy (add http to follow the link). I installed it and it fixed both GPS and compass for me personally. This for me was proof positive tha there will be an official Samsung fix released to solve this issue.
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larryccf said:
don't recall anyone saying it couldn't be fixed - can you point us at one?
the consensus opinion has been no one knew whether it was firmware or software
and btw, while this is good news, we're not totally certain this is a permanent "fix"
if it's still working in 2 or 3 weeks for the folks that installed it, then it might be considered a fix
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down8 said:
This gives me a damn hard-on.
My phone locked & rebooted* itself twice today, while trying to use GPS. And I was in Mountain View, even - buncha bull****.
-bZj
*when it does this routine, it resets the volume on the system (thus the startup sound) to maximu8m - makes me even angrier!
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Mine has been doing it for a couple of weeks and I finally got fedup with this routine and called TMO and complained. I'm getting a replacement Vibrant in 3 days or so but I'm not holding my breath on it working any better really although I hope that it won't freeze and reboot at least. This official fix can't come fast enough because this GPS caused freezing and rebooting is really getting to me at this point.
http://www.engadget.com/
If they are running the same gps hardware and theirs works, means its software .....
http://www.engadget.com/
So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?
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So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?
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I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software
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I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software
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Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
I wish they would give more info about GPS performance on the Epic...number of satellites locked, cold lock time with no aGPS, etc.
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Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
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Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...
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Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...
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Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.
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Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.
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I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.
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I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.
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I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.
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I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.
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That's some good points, I mean how could that gps chip gets released not working? And why wouldn't it work? I believe they will fix this, especially if we find out the gps chip in the 4g is the same as the GSM ones.....
Roll it out with froyo early Sept and shock us all is my dream.lol
Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.
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Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.
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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
I for one hate keyboards.. the more moving parts the more hardware issues.. coming from a tp1 and tp2, I just don't like how buttons feel after a while . Tp1 keyboard died and the tp2 keyboard keys stopped working unless pressed hard.
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I like the flash and the texturized back.. its cool... gonna be a rocking phone.
I definitely wouldn't change providers for the same phone, but that's me..
I just hope sprints is fixed and we got the same hardware.
I bet we got to wait now because samsung put all the Time in getting the sprints version out and working.. now hopefully its our turn..
Our waiting will pay off soon I'm sure of it.
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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
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I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.
I used the fix on the development section for stock roms and did exactly as it told changed servers cleared gps data and ran a test until i got atleast 10 gps sat locks now it rocks its literally all up in my cool aid now.
I always feel like somebody's watching me!
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I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.
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Inconceivable!!!
well, apparently, the gps fix is now coming in the next few weeks according to engadget mobile via an anonymous t mobile rep.
It seems like Sprint rushed the new firmware to get the Epic out ASAP, while T Mobile and AT&T are taking their time to test the new firmware. Others have reported speed increases as well.
It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.
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It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.
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Actually, if you read the T-Mobile memo -- the part meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it indicates that the final rollout to all end users might slip beyond September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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Originally posted by: kngyn19
Looks like the Epic's GPS is indeed working correctly! Confirmed by Samsung and Engadget!
Linky:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/18/samsung-says-gps-is-tested-and-validated-on-epic-4g-our-testi/
I wonder if they use the same gps hardware as the GSM counterparts ?
I would guess their firmware is different enough that they fixed it before releasing the Epic. Someone mentioned that may be the reason for the supposed delay.
The EPIC and Fascinate are CDMA devices. It might take a littler longer to reconfigure stuff versus GSM.
My own reaction to this news, posted in a sister forum, is more cautious optimism.
And if Sprint management did delay the release of the Epic to incorporate a fix to the GPS, good for them. If that is true, it would seem advantageous for them to make some statement to that effect. If they keep quiet on the matter, I have to wonder why.
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My own reaction to this news, posted in a sister forum, is more cautious optimism.
And if Sprint management did delay the release of the Epic to incorporate a fix to the GPS, good for them. If that is true, it would seem advantageous for them to make some statement to that effect. If they keep quiet on the matter, I have to wonder why.
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Maybe they want those worried about the GPS issue to rest assured but don't want to start a discussion about it where average consumers won't buy the Vibrant and Captivate variants after hearing there is a GPS issue..
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Maybe they want those worried about the GPS issue to rest assured but don't want to start a discussion about it where average consumers won't buy the Vibrant and Captivate variants after hearing there is a GPS issue..
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The average consumers that have the vibrant or captivate don't even know it had issues.. and some don't. We here on xda are the exception..
Most sprint customers don't even know its the same phone.. let alone know about a gps issue...
Sprint really don't need to say anything to anyone.. us here at xda are a small margin of their sales..
I honestly don't care as long as the GPS is working. For the $400 bucks i'm going to be paying for this phone (Sprint wants a $150 deposit before I can get the phone), I expect the GPS TO BE WORKING.
Im happy they are saying the GPS works but i wont believe it until I see it. I am out and about on a daily basis and use GPS just as much.
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My own reaction to this news, posted in a sister forum, is more cautious optimism.
And if Sprint management did delay the release of the Epic to incorporate a fix to the GPS, good for them. If that is true, it would seem advantageous for them to make some statement to that effect. If they keep quiet on the matter, I have to wonder why.
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Yes.. imagine how that would go "Buy the best phone Sprint has to offer... GPS doesn't work but we'll work on it AFTER you buy the phone!" or maybe "This phone is great, GPS doesn't work but we'll fix it before you buy it!!!" ... either way it doesn't look good for the company, so keep it hush, delay it and people will get it when it comes out. The only ones *****ing about the delay are the ones on these forums which is 0.000003 of their sales.
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Yes.. imagine how that would go "Buy the best phone Sprint has to offer... GPS doesn't work but we'll work on it AFTER you buy the phone!" or maybe "This phone is great, GPS doesn't work but we'll fix it before you buy it!!!" ... either way it doesn't look good for the company, so keep it hush, delay it and people will get it when it comes out. The only ones *****ing about the delay are the ones on these forums which is 0.000003 of their sales.
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That's the kind of spin Sprint would have to make if it released the phone with the GPS defect, and without fixing it first.
I was talking about a more positive statement in light of this news from Samsung. Sprint could affirm that there are no GPS issues on the Epic. And if there were issues in prerelease, but they held off to fix them first, that is a very positive thing to brag about. (And, by implication, a swipe at the two U.S. competitors who released defective products and are still awaiting new firmware in September.)
I hope this is true. I dont understand it though. I have read in many deferent places that they are working on a new driver to fix gps issues in all the other galaxy s phones. How did the fix the issue with out the new driver? If this is true then this makes me worried they will never really fix the captivates gps since the epic is fixed with the same gps driver.
I have asked multiple people who have the Epic for review purposes, and all of them state that there is no GPS problems. Things are looking good!
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I hope this is true. I dont understand it though. I have read in many deferent places that they are working on a new driver to fix gps issues in all the other galaxy s phones. How did the fix the issue with out the new driver? If this is true then this makes me worried they will never really fix the captivates gps since the epic is fixed with the same gps driver.
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My guess is they did fix it..but probably want to fix all the other issues at the same time before mass pushing the update..like say the lag fix and etc..or maybe they will just include the gps fix and froyo together....either way if they release it we may be able to extract the driver and use it on the others..
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My guess is they did fix it..but probably want to fix all the other issues at the same time before mass pushing the update..like say the lag fix and etc..or maybe they will just include the gps fix and froyo together...
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Huh? In the wake of Samsung's public announcement that the GPS works on the Epic while the other brands are still awaiting new firmware, you think Sprint would secretly be planning to omit that fix and launch with the same defect they have? That is just crazy.
The implication of Samsung's statement is that the Epic firmware is already tested and installed on the units about to be sold and shipped. There would not need to be any pushing of a GPS update for Sprint phones.
If that is ambiguous to people, that is all the more reason for Sprint to make a statement about this.
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My guess is they did fix it..but probably want to fix all the other issues at the same time before mass pushing the update..like say the lag fix and etc..or maybe they will just include the gps fix and froyo together....either way if they release it we may be able to extract the driver and use it on the others..
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Yes you are right. If they do have the gps fix we should be able to port it over to the captivate. I wil have to return my captivate before the 30 days then get the epic and see what happens. If they fix the captivate I may go back to it since I love the slim look and design.
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That's the kind of spin Sprint would have to make if it released the phone with the GPS defect, and without fixing it first.
I was talking about a more positive statement in light of this news from Samsung. Sprint could affirm that there are no GPS issues on the Epic. And if there were issues in prerelease, but they held off to fix them first, that is a very positive thing to brag about. (And, by implication, a swipe at the two U.S. competitors who released defective products and are still awaiting new firmware in September.)
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Now that would be great. Sprint launching a commercial attack on AT&T and Tmo... Go with them, you'll have phones that can't make calls and can't guide you to your destination! Not so smart for a smart phone huh?
I would lol so hard if they did a commercial like that. It is nice to see a company think of the end user and not about the $. I am testing the gps fix from the epic dump. So far it looks good. It locks the sats fast and shows me with 5m of my location(Use to never go below 30). I will test the gps when I go to lunch and see if it tracks me correctly.
Edit: I used my gps at lunch and it worked a lot better. It didnt jump from street to street and change route over and over. Its usable now but its still not as good as n1\evo. It will lag pretty bad then jump to your location. If the epic radio does not have updated code for gps that fixs lag issue then I would say gps is not really fixed just improved. I think we will have to wait till September to see if it gets fully fixed.
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... I am testing the gps fix from the epic dump. So far it looks good. It locks the sats fast and shows me with 5m of my location(Use to never go below 30). I will test the gps when I go to lunch and see if it tracks me correctly.
Edit: I used my gps at lunch and it worked a lot better. It didnt jump from street to street and change route over and over. Its usable now but its still not as good as n1\evo. It will lag pretty bad then jump to your location. If the epic radio does not have updated code for gps that fixs lag issue then I would say gps is not really fixed just improved. I think we will have to wait till September to see if it gets fully fixed.
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Exactly what are you "testing" here? I gather you don't have an Epic. So you are you somehow running some hacked form of what you believe the "GPS fix" is -- drawn from the Epic dump -- on the hardware of some other Samsung S variant such as a Captivate. Right? Can you please describe the steps you used to set up this test environment. What is it about the Epic dump that you are calling "the GPS fix," and how did you apply it on the other hardware? Did you flash a ROM, change config files, or what?
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Exactly what are you "testing" here? I gather you don't have an Epic. So you are you somehow running some hacked form of what you believe the "GPS fix" is -- drawn from the Epic dump -- on the hardware of some other Samsung S variant such as a Captivate. Right? Can you please describe the steps you used to set up this test environment. What is it about the Epic dump that you are calling "the GPS fix," and how did you apply it on the other hardware? Did you flash a ROM, change config files, or what?
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He is talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=759976
gTen said:
He is talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=759976
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Thanks. What I see there are three hacked "experimental" versions of a "fix," none of which even purport to replicate the Epic environment completely. [Edit: I gather it was the "fix" supposed to be drawn from the Epic that was tested.] (For example, shep211 himself questioned how this can be a fix without new drivers. I agree with that criticism. But how do we even know what drivers this environment has?)
So it is not valid to run this test, which showed a less-than-successful GPS performance, and declare on the basis of that test that the Epic fix is incomplete as shipped.
The Epic fix may or may not be complete. We don't know that. We can't know it until a real Epic is tested rigorously.
Did you find it cleared multi-touch issues or improved it at all? Some people say Cyanogenmod fixed things, but I'd just like more confirmation that it'd make a difference
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Did you find it cleared multi-touch issues or improved it at all? Some people say Cyanogenmod fixed things, but I'd just like more confirmation that it'd make a difference
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I also have this problem. Tomorrow planning to flash on ParanoidAndroid or Cyanogenmod. Tomorrow otpishus the results.
**Menos** said:
I also have this problem. Tomorrow planning to flash on ParanoidAndroid or Cyanogenmod. Tomorrow otpishus the results.
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I've never tried flashing a ROM before, my device is already unlocked/rooted. What do you do exactly to flash Cyanogenmod?
Just installed Cyanogenmod and saw that the problem is not solved. I fear starting to appear that the problem is hardware. Now have to wait for an update from Google.
IIRC, the screen issue is due to a firmware config that cannot be addressed by flashing a new ROM. An updated firmware package will have to be pushed via Google.
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IIRC, the screen issue is due to a firmware config that cannot be addressed by flashing a new ROM. An updated firmware package will have to be pushed via Google.
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Did Google confirm this was the problem? I just need to make sure it is their problem before I go and swap it out since I have 1 more week to decide
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Did Google confirm this was the problem? I just need to make sure it is their problem before I go and swap it out since I have 1 more week to decide
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From what I have seen, google is aware of all the big bugs and is working on a big update. Looks like screen flicker, multitouch, overheating, corrupted images on startup, gps, wifi performance etc are going to be fixed in a bugfix update. All the nexus devices start their lives like this, one of the few annoying things about being a nexus fanboy, you get to enjoy the bugs before anyone else gets to.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/13/2013-nexus-7-multitouch-bug/
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Did Google confirm this was the problem? I just need to make sure it is their problem before I go and swap it out since I have 1 more week to decide
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I'm trying to remember the source of my information. But it was stated a few times that the second OTA is what causes the screen issues after powering your device up for the first time.
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I'm trying to remember the source of my information. But it was stated a few times that the second OTA is what causes the screen issues after powering your device up for the first time.
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Yeah I remember this too, something about the kernel supplying not enough voltage to the touchscreen in an attempt to improve battery life. This has to be a kernel bug.
Try flashing a different kernel as that is what bridges hardware and software.
Aren't all kernels based on stock?
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From what I have seen, google is aware of all the big bugs and is working on a big update. Looks like screen flicker, multitouch, overheating, corrupted images on startup, gps, wifi performance etc are going to be fixed in a bugfix update.
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I would love to see that happen, but where do you see Google acknowledged and commited to fix all those problems?
If it is just speculation, that doesn't help folks who are within their return period and can get out instead of playing guinea pig.
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I would love to see that happen, but where do you see Google acknowledged and commited to fix all those problems?
If it is just speculation, that doesn't help folks who are within their return period and can get out instead of playing guinea pig.
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According to the minions on their google+ "they are working on these issues". I by no means know that google is in fact going to be able to fix all of these issues, nor am I able to guarantee what they do, but I don't see that by repeating what their reps are saying is pure speculation. I think that judging by past examples anyone who has bought a nexus device at launch has either knowingly or unknowingly already agreed to be a guinea pig. In the end I am one of the last people to say that someone shouldn't return a defective piece of hardware, but it seems a lot of the issues people are having are being misdiagnosed as hardware issues when in fact they can (and most likely will) be fixed by an OTA.
I can dare to say that the issue is present in Android 4.3 affecting any device running it even Custom Roms I'm on CyanogenMod 10.2 on my d2spr (S3 Sprint) and the issue is present there too. Also that causes reboots too. I could be wrong too.
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Also the jss build is giving problems in the nexus 4 thread
Sent 4rm my Nexus 7 FLO... Only thing missing is O.G. N7's development...
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Looks like screen flicker, multitouch, overheating, corrupted images on startup, gps, wifi performance etc are going to be fixed in a bugfix update.
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According to the minions on their google+ "they are working on these issues". I by no means know that google is in fact going to be able to fix all of these issues, nor am I able to guarantee what they do, but I don't see that by repeating what their reps are saying is pure speculation.
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No problem with repeating what they are saying, but you seem to have commited them to more than they are saying in their personal comments, not those as official reps.
IMO everyone should get accurate information so they can evaluate for themselves whether it is worth the risk to keep it or just to return the unit.
Personally I think the random reboots and GPS can be addressed in software and the multi-touch is probably 50/50 something that can be worked around in software, but everyone has their own tolerance levels for these kind of issues and "are looking into it or are working on it" and "going to be fixed" are quite different levels of commitment.
I'm sorry but what issues are you having because I exchanged my first n7 because I was having multitouch stuttering and issues with unresponsiveness which made the device unusable. The new device is okay.