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This has been discussed in other threads -- The problem here, however is that you still have to unlock the bootloader, so you are no longer left with a "stock" N1 and warranty is voided.
The easier 'equivalent' method is just to unlock the bootloader, install the custom recovery menu and then install the Modaco rooted 2.2. update.zip.
people keep saying this but warrantly is NOT voided.. you cannot void the warranty for s/w changes.. if there is a hardware issue htc has said and has honored their warranty.. now if you get the phone all fubared because of some software issue and cannot figure out how to recover or reinstall kernal, radio etc. then yes they may not cover it.
lgkahn, what do you base your statement on? Documentation clearly states that unlocking the bootloader will void your warranty. Once warranty is voided, it is really up to HTC to decide if they want to honour your no longer existing hardware warranty or not. There are people here that have successfully negotiated hardware repairs even after unlocking the bootloaders, but others who have not been able to if, I understand things correctly.
If you have any solid contrary information, please let us know. Thank you
Not to mention one of the latest posts is a guy trying to clean out the dust from behind his screen because HTC will not honor his warranty.
not true at all if you read the dust issue post it is because he knows he will bet another refurb if he warranties it.. not because they will not honor it.
gotta love spam
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people keep saying this but warrantly is NOT voided.. you cannot void the warranty for s/w changes.. if there is a hardware issue htc has said and has honored their warranty.. now if you get the phone all fubared because of some software issue and cannot figure out how to recover or reinstall kernal, radio etc. then yes they may not cover it.
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There has been a lot of discussion here of people who had their warrantied devices returned to them untouched because their bootloader was unlocked. Not all the time, but it may happen if you do that. The guide above is misleading because it does mention that your device will no longer remain stock.
Closing this thread as the original poster has already posted this in another thread... no need to start a brand new one.
In this thread I intend to give some basic insight about these two concepts, which are closely entwined with our phone's experience. I'm not a tech guy, but I think this little summary might clear some doubts for people who are new to this kind of issues (people who come from other non-Android phones especially). All feedback is welcome, in particular the one of people who can expand the topic with their knowledge.
"Root" is the common way to refer to the fact to the user account which has superuser rights on the device. Superuser rights imply full control over your phone's capacities, which are determined by the software and the hardware of the device. Non-superuser accounts have limitations, usually established for the sake of software security (for example, not allowing a user to disable critical functions such as phone or GPS), hardware safety (not allowing to change the processor's frequency speed, aka overclocking the CPU) or, in some cases, for someone's profit (disabling wi-fi tethering is a typical one as users are forced to buy data plans in order to use their devices to tether). In Android's case, Superuser is composed of an app* and a set of instructions to give this app root rights.
The bootloader is a program which accesses the internal storage and, basically, controls the loading of the programs and data necessary to initiate the sequence of launching the OS (aka booting, thus the name bootloader). We say that a bootloader is locked when it is programmed in such a way that it won't allow to load the device if it detects data from third-party sources. Unlocked bootloaders do allow these data and will load what these data contain, which will be usually a modified version of the phone's firmware, known as "Custom ROM".
As we can see, there was the fear that one would need to have unlocked bootloaders (i.e the ability to load third-party data in the booting sequence) in order to gain root rights. This would have been terribly inconvenient because only a minority of users will have unlocked bootloaders, since the phones with unlocked bootloaders by default are the ones sold carrier-unlocked. Said carrier-free phones will be a minority as the phone is pretty expensive: most Xperia Plays will be sold using carrier subsidies.
However, our fellow member Chainfire found an exploit (a programming loophole) in Gingerbread which allows said app and instructions to be loaded without the need of touching the bootloaders. Basically, his Gingerbreak program allows the user to have root rights without loading any bootloader-sensitive data. This widens the possibilities for the majority of users who will buy this phone with a subsidy.
*edit 3* Later on, it has become possible to unlock the bootloader even for SIM-locked devices, thanks to different unlockers like Alejandrissimo and Jinx13. This means that, provided that you pay what they charge, you can have your device set up without the bothers of having to buy a SIM-free phone. What's better: their method of unlocking the bootloader SIM-unlocks the phone as well.
I think this is more or less a succint framework of ideas which allows us to define "root" and "unlocked bootloaders" properly. As they say, knowing is half the battle, so I hope this nugget of information allows users to deal with their phones with more confidence.
*edit* as of version 2.3.3, this information has changed. Gingerbreak doesn't work with 2.3.3 anymore, and it seems now that the only way to root with locked bootloaders is to flash a 2.3.2 rom with FlashTool and update through OTA.
*edit2* note that this explanations pertains mostly to the Xperia Play. Other devices are NAND-locked, which means for us that they need unlocked bootloaders to even get root access.
*Note that Android is built in such a way that every app is a user account with limited rights (the ones specified before you download it). Thus, Superuser is a user account as any other app and the set of instructions is meant to give this user account root rights.
Thank you! This was very helpful in clarifying some things.
"As we can see, there was the fear that one would need to have unlocked bootloaders (i.e the ability to load third-party data in the booting sequence) in order to gain root rights. This would have been terribly inconvenient because only a minority of users will have unlocked bootloaders, since the phones with unlocked bootloaders by default are the ones sold carrier-unlocked. Said carrier-free phones will be a minority as the phone is pretty expensive: most Xperia Plays will be sold using carrier subsidies"
by carrier unlocked do you mean sim unlocked? sorry 4 noob question
Indeed, that is what I mean.
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Indeed, that is what I mean.
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Alright, I asked this question and it was answered, but I want to make sure before I try anything.
I just found out from SE that my phone is the Rogers version. It's obviously been unlocked because I'm using it on AT&T.
What I don't know, though, is whether the bootloader is unlocked. Another member recommended that I check TrackID to see if it worked because it depends on the manufacturer DRM's that are wiped in unlocking the bootloader. It did work, so I assume it's still locked, but I wanted to confirm because of being carrier unlocked.
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If TrackID works, your bootloader is locked, regardless of simlock.
I have a Sim-Unlocked Xperia Play from Rogers that I am using on ATT's network. My phone is boot-locked. When powered off, if I hold the search key while plugging in the USB cable, I do not get a blue light.
I was able to flash the firmware by holding the back key while plugging in the usb cable (with the phone off). I get a green light when I do this. Using flashtool, I was able get 2.3.3 rooted by loading the 2.3.2 firmware, rooting, and then updating OTA.
I bricked my phone several times while loading the firmware and each time I was able to fix it with flashtool or Sony Ericsson's Upgrade Utility. I found that you need a good USB cable, and even then it failed sometimes. I just kept trying and eventually it worked.
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
(they claim it will come to only two devices for starters the EVO 3D and the Sensation 4G and then it will slowly rollout to other devices that already have 2.3 or enough internal memory on them, this will all start in last August an early September for the first two droids listed... and others will soon follow suit, the only question is do you want you bootloader to come unlocked stock? Or will you buy it locked and be able to sit around and wait for your device to get an update to do so?? LOL
thats why my phone couldnt flash back to 2.3.2..(?)
I live in singapore.. phones are not carrier specific.. so does that mean my BL was unlocked even before I used gingerbreak?
I know this doesnt pertain to the play per se, but maybe you should add that, with nand locked devices, an unlocked bootloader is required to acheive full root, just incase someone with another device googles this question and ends up here
pros and cons of unlocked bootloader
Pros/Cons of rooting WITHOUT unlocking bootloader?
Since being interested in rooting my N1 I've been googling a lot but it's still somewhat confusing. One of the things that's making me hesitent is the idea of permanently (as of the date of this post) unlocking the phone and thus clearly/visibly voiding the warranty.
I've recently stumbled upon instructions for rooting without unlocking the bootloader? Am I correct in assuming this would make the phone appear (no unlock icon) to be unmodified? Also, does this mean one could fully reverse the rooting process and go back to fully stock google signed roms with OTA updates etc (essentially reverting it back as if it were never modified)?
It would seem this would be preferable to any method involving the unlocking of the bootloader. Are there any disadvantages of this? Any increased risks by NOT unlocking the bootloader? Is there a reason why most people have gone the rout of unlocking the bootloader?
My plan is simply to have root access to run setcpu on the stock FRF91 rom. As of now, I'm not interested in other ROMs (baby steps).
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Pros/Cons of rooting WITHOUT unlocking bootloader?
Since being interested in rooting my N1 I've been googling a lot but it's still somewhat confusing. One of the things that's making me hesitent is the idea of permanently (as of the date of this post) unlocking the phone and thus clearly/visibly voiding the warranty.
I've recently stumbled upon instructions for rooting without unlocking the bootloader? Am I correct in assuming this would make the phone appear (no unlock icon) to be unmodified? Also, does this mean one could fully reverse the rooting process and go back to fully stock google signed roms with OTA updates etc (essentially reverting it back as if it were never modified)?
It would seem this would be preferable to any method involving the unlocking of the bootloader. Are there any disadvantages of this? Any increased risks by NOT unlocking the bootloader? Is there a reason why most people have gone the rout of unlocking the bootloader?
My plan is simply to have root access to run setcpu on the stock FRF91 rom. As of now, I'm not interested in other ROMs (baby steps).
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The N1 is made by HTC, generaly with htc devices, flashing a stock rom, will re-lock the bootloader, If you decide just to root, you will need a custom kernel before you can O/C All that unlocking the bootloader does is 2 things, It will security unlock the nand (on nand locked devices) allowing r/w access to read only partitions, and it allows you to issue fastboot commands to your device, the main reason alot of play owners went down the unlocking the bootloader path, is that atm it is the only way to flash custom roms other devices, have found sneaky ways to push a custom recovery without unlocking bootloaders, and thus do not need one to flash a custom rom
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I know this doesnt pertain to the play per se, but maybe you should add that, with nand locked devices, an unlocked bootloader is required to acheive full root, just incase someone with another device googles this question and ends up here
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I'm not too knowledgeable about the whole Nand thing, so I think you could give a much better explanation about it. I'll include it then
whoa whoa whoa!!!! i achieved root on 2.3.3 with no prob using superoneclick v2.3.3. it works beautifully!
Yes, but you're replying to a thread that's 8 months out of date too!
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Lol. I know, but I've been trolling the site, and I think it may need a bit of new info so someone doesn't follow the steps here now that a better method has been found.
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Lol. I know, but I've been trolling the site, and I think it may need a bit of new info so someone doesn't follow the steps here now that a better method has been found.
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why not just stop bumping heavily old threads? then they can rest in piece
and nobody would care
the information thatit's outdated is alreada given in 1st post.
u also could ask a mod to close this as its outdated...
Hey, this thread may be outdated, but it's not my fault if someone necros old threads. Just let it die.
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can i flash custom roms in a locked bootloader?
yes
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can i flash custom roms in a locked bootloader?
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only stock gb ones nothing else
Hey everyone!
i have a question. I want to root my S5 because i have lost a load of pictures and also important pictures for my job. i must have accidentally deleted them... My question is, if i unroot my phone with let's say SuperSu. Is there any possible way to see my phone has been rooted? Because i have an insurance for my phone, if they could see my phone has been rooted my phone won't be repaired and i would have paid money just for nothing...
Thanks in advance!
Welcome to the forum. You neglected to give us a lot of pertinent information e.g. which carrier you use or even which S5 variant you have. It's also apparent that you didn't try searching as this question has been asked and answered literaly hundreds of times. There is a wealth of information in existing threads that some people ignore.
In short, there is a counter called the Knox flag. Provided that you don't increment the Knox flag, you could revert your phone to stock without any overt evidence of it having been rooted. While Samsung would typically attempt to deny a warranty claim if a phone is currently rooted or has an incremented Knox flag that doesn't affect most people. Because most people don't make warranty claims with Samsung directly.
Most people make warranty claims through their carrier and the majority of carriers don't care about rooting or Knox. Nor does Samsung have a tenable basis to deny warranty on rooted phones in the EU where directives explicitly bar such.
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Guys, i apologize in advance for this, but I am still a bit confused as to the whole QFuse debacle. I searched but found various contradicting statements and hence started another thread in the hopes of solving my confusion as well as that of others. My doubts are -
1) Does the QFuse change irreversibly once you unlock the bootloader?
2) In case that it does not, will the QFuse return to original state upon relocking the bootloader or never change despite an unlocked bootloader?
3) Given that it changes with an unlocked bootloader and reverts to original state on relocking it, will the manufacturers warranty be hinged on the QFuse state? (I am asking this because I need to make sure if you can get a replacement for a hardware fault in case you run into one while on a custom ROM. In such a case you will be stuck with a hardware issue and you cant flash factory, like the infamous nexus 5 power button issue. I have previously been able to get a nexus 5 replaced while being rooted and on a custom ROM due to a hardware defect)
Thanks for any answers and hope this helps others as well. :laugh:
Looks like you haven't searched enough. No debacle. seriously am not worried.
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Hi Friends,
Very quick and simple question:
Is there a way to Root (and maybe Unroot) the 6gb RAM model WITHOUT unlocking the Bootloader?
I only ask because unlocking the Bootloader voids the ZTE 2 year warranty, and there is no way to reverse/relock it, correct?
Thanks for your responses!
Read the root without unlock thread and the newbie unlocking guide.
Thanks bud, so looks like it is possible to root without Bootloader unlock? How about going back to stock after root?
@lafester or some other helpful member, can you please link me to the pertinent thread that I could use to root the ENHANCED (6gb RAM model in the US)? Preferably, I'd like to root with the Bootloader unlocked too, ONLY if there is a way to return to complete stock, including relocking the Bootloader.
Simply speaking, I want to order the phone and try it, but am not sure if I'd be able to live with the camera performance and etc... I'd like to be to root and unlock Bootloader, if I can, but if I don't keep the phone, I'd like to return to complete stock. Can someone help? Thanks!
I gave you the threads already.
@lafester I am sorry bud, but I didn't see any links in your post. Also, any chance you could simply answer my question, if you have the knowledge ? Would deeply appreciate it. Thanks!